Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varx]

That's subjective.



We already have EB so we don't need "the worgen treatment". Velfs aren't worgen. And "the worgen treatment" would remove player agency.



If you believe that then you obviously haven't been paying attention.

From Game Director Ion Hazikostas:





From Technical director Frank Kowalski:



From the Blizzard website:



You fought the good fight, but it's over now. Time to admit defeat and move on. Take a page from Elsa's book and "let it go".

You conveniently left out the post saying that all new options were also in line with the lore, not just combing through the posts of randoms to see what they want and saying fuck it give it to them.

So because of alleria it's supported lore wise. Doesn't meant it should have happened since she is a special case and it blurs the line between velf and b/helf just for the sake of some loud fans.

Plus it was crowd control for belves getting blue eyes. That I'm convinced of. Ffs I've seen helfers threaten their own fucking lives with suicide for the cause, so yeah.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Dude the helfers selfishness is what screwed up the race in the first place. "F the fact that I'm playing a velf, no I want normal options instead of void ones because I want high elves and fook the rest of the alliance players who actually like the velf race."

Meanwhile all other ARs get options that highlight what makes them different.

So you're a total hypocrite calling me selfish. At least I want what was given to be made better, not given a shit copy paste and sold as new just because a loud minority is crying for it.

But wait now you want the same amount of effort to void options too on top of what they got. Like you think velf is the master race or something? Should they have a second heritage set too? You know to match their pure options.

I mean if you don't believe that VE are gonna get void specific options down the line, that's not my problem (come on, think about it, VE haven't gotten any new assets, only reused stuff, no new hairstyles, jewelry) They haven't gotten them yet for a reason.

To enforce a dichotomy between "you just want HE's" and "give VE more void options" is just silly, one doesn't exclude the other; the fact that all the "high elf" options are reused assets further points to the notion that the new stuff they will get will be Void based/void elf aesthetic.

Like this is how I know you're not a true VE fan lmao; like even if you'd have a little bit of bias in favor of them you'd understand that all the HE stuff they got is reused, so they really haven't got anything developed FOR them. Would be fair then they didn't get any? No.

So your whole spiel about restricting HE aesthetic is just that, there's not a moment where I think there's any sincerity in your argument here, I don't think you actually believe restricting the HE aesthetic actually helps the Void Elf identity, because I don't think a person that actually likes void elves wouldn't be pushing for MORE options, Void based ones.

You're not pro Void Elf, you're anti High Elf, and it's a world of difference.

[Kyriani]

You conveniently left out the post saying that all new options were also in line with the lore, not just combing through the posts of randoms to see what they want and saying fuck it give it to them.

So because of alleria it's supported lore wise. Doesn't meant it should have happened since she is a special case and it blurs the line between velf and b/helf just for the sake of some loud fans.

Plus it was crowd control for belves getting blue eyes. That I'm convinced of. Ffs I've seen helfers threaten their own fucking lives with suicide for the cause, so yeah.

But ultimately it's what the devs decided to go with. Your suggestion would run counter to that decision. Time to let it go and move on. Unless of course you want to try campaigning for your suggestion for the next decade and a half in the hopes of changing their mind. I mean it worked for the helfers right?

[Varx]

I mean if you don't believe that VE are gonna get void specific options down the line, that's not my problem (come on, think about it, VE haven't gotten any new assets, only reused stuff, no new hairstyles, jewelry) They haven't gotten them yet for a reason.

To enforce a dichotomy between "you just want HE's" and "give VE more void options" is just silly, one doesn't exclude the other; the fact that all the "high elf" options are reused assets further points to the notion that the new stuff they will get will be Void based/void elf aesthetic.

Like this is how I know you're not a true VE fan lmao; like even if you'd have a little bit of bias in favor of them you'd understand that all the HE stuff they got is reused, so they really haven't got anything developed FOR them. Would be fair then they didn't get any? No.

So your whole spiel about restricting HE aesthetic is just that, there's not a moment where I think there's any sincerity in your argument here, I don't think you actually believe restricting the HE aesthetic actually helps the Void Elf identity, because I don't think a person that actually likes void elves wouldn't be pushing for MORE options, Void based ones.

You're not pro Void Elf, you're anti High Elf, and it's a world of difference.

Again, so should velves get a second heritage set too? Cuz apparently they're the ultimate fucking race. They get all the reused options plus potential new voidy ones. Lol, and I'm selfish.

Think what you want but my intentions are for the betterment of velves. Yours isn't. Yours is just to scratch your helf itch regardless of what happens to velves.

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But ultimately it's what the devs decided to go with. Your suggestion would run counter to that decision. Time to let it go and move on. Unless of course you want to try campaigning for your suggestion for the next decade and a half in the hopes of changing their mind. I mean it worked for the helfers right?

Exactly so yeah. I'll make an Instagram if I have to, lol.

Actually if belves got sanlyan options or dark ranger then that'd even the scales.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Again, so should velves get a second set too? Cuz apparently they're the ultimate fucking race. They get all the reused options plus potential new voidy ones. Lol, and I'm selfish.

No, they shouldn't. But I also think all Heritage sets should have recolors.

And yes, you are selfish, because you'd rather handicap the VE rather than allow them to get reused assets and get some new ones. Maybe what's fair is that VE's don't get new hair nor skin tones, and we get other options? Whatever that might be, the fact you are forcing a dichotomy when it's literally a case of we could have both, really spells you don't care about what's best for VE, you simply want to hinder HE aesthetics, and that's just pathetic.

Think what you want but my intentions are for the betterment of velves. Yours isn't. Yours is just to scratch your helf itch regardless of what happens to velves.

I want new void elf options, I don't think we need more "HE stuff", the fantasy is already replicable to a sufficient degree; you're the one that believes further limitation would somehow help them as a race. You don't want to better VE's, you just want to hinder HE's.

[Varx]

No, they shouldn't. But I also think all Heritage sets should have recolors.

And yes, you are selfish, because you'd rather handicap the VE rather than allow them to get reused assets and get some new ones. Maybe what's fair is that VE's don't get new hair nor skin tones, and we get other options? Whatever that might be, the fact you are forcing a dichotomy when it's literally a case of we could have both, really spells you don't care about what's best for VE, you simply want to hinder HE aesthetics, and that's just pathetic.



I want new void elf options, I don't think we need more "HE stuff", the fantasy is already replicable to a sufficient degree; you're the one that believes further limitation would somehow help them as a race. You don't want to better VE's, you just want to hinder HE's.

No shit you don't think you need more helf crap since now you got it all, LMAO. But now you also want more voidy options too. ONE MORE TIME. Are velves the master freaking race of azeroth?

This is the crux of helfers and why they a laughing stock. More more more. Hell surprised we haven't even discussed velf paladins.

Let's give them demon hunters too right?

[Kyriani]

Actually if belves got sanlyan options or dark ranger then that'd even the scales.

You won't get any arguments from me on this point. I want dark ranger/san'layn options for some of my blood elf characters, and it seems only fair that blood elves get a second theme in the same way void elves now have.

[Varx]

You won't get any arguments from me on this point. I want dark ranger/san'layn options for some of my blood elf characters, and it seems only fair that blood elves get a second theme in the same way void elves now have.

Should be a quest reward like nelf black eyes. Maybe something the reliquary messes with in revedreth.

[Kyriani]

Should be a quest reward like nelf black eyes. Maybe something the reliquary messes with in revedreth.

I'd love to see that added.

This was posted on the official forums. I really wish blood elves had these options.

[Varx]

I'd love to see that added.

This was posted on the official forums. I really wish blood elves had these options.

Perfect just like that.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

No shit you don't think you need more helf crap since now you got it all, LMAO. But now you also want more voidy options too. ONE MORE TIME. Are velves the master freaking race of azeroth?

I have already answered this stupid question before; VE's haven't gotten new assets made for them, only reused ones. Again, if you think it would be fair for VE's to only get quickly implemented, reused assets when every other AR is getting new stuff, how is that not being biased AGAINST Void Elves.

"No, they can't get new stuff because they already got BE hand me downs" is a ridiculous take.

This is the crux of helfers and why they a laughing stock. More more more. Hell surprised we haven't even discussed velf paladins.

Let's give them demon hunters too right?

lmao I don't think VE's should get Paladins, go have a fight about that with someone who cares.

Like come on man, AGAIN, if you cared for VE's and their identity and lore, you WOULD be supporting more VE options instead of the BS argument that "hurr durr what do you think VE's are special that they get more options than other races" Why aren't you asking for MORE options for other races then? Your logic is so insane it hurts. ALL races should have more stuff, to think that the solution to any problem is restricting the choices we already have is just so freaking stupid.

Actually if belves got sanlyan options or dark ranger then that'd even the scales.

Then go support that instead of trying to limit the stuff VE's get holy shit! How petty you need to be to want to limit a race's options while admitting that if you got more in another that would be okay? You're literally admitting your argument about "VE integrity and identity" is bs with this, you don't have a genuine argument here, it's literally pettiness!

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I'd love to see that added.

This was posted on the official forums. I really wish blood elves had these options.

I really hope we get this next expansion, the possibilities are so enticing.

[Vaedan]

Dude the helfers selfishness is what screwed up the race in the first place. "F the fact that I'm playing a velf, no I want normal options instead of void ones because I want high elves and fook the rest of the alliance players who actually like the velf race."

The problem is that you judge what is special about void elves only on your own personal opinion, which does not necesserily align to perception of other people. As for me, my main is definitely a void elf, not high elf, but I use normal skin. I'll be even more happy with black hair option. Even though I'm identifying my character as a void elf, I'm not particularly interested in an option of permanent voidform during combat. If you want to stay voidy all the time, you have skin option for it.

Meanwhile all other ARs get options that highlight what makes them different.

Even though we just got reused assets so far aimed towards high elf fantasy, it created very cool void elf concepts too.
- pure white hair and pale skin for deathly appearances
- pure white hair and dark void skins for ultimate drow fantasy
- blonde hair and dark void skins also look suprisingly good
- red and orange hair and pale void skins open space for N'zoth/emerald nightmare fantasy, especialy with tentacle hairstyles
- black hair and pale void skins for real emo/goth eppearance.

At least I want what was given to be made better, not given a shit copy paste and sold as new just because a loud minority is crying for it.

Your suggestion does not bring any new interesting options for people who cares about real void elves, while it hurts people who care about high elf fantasy. It also brings nothing new to the race, since that concepts is just copied from worgen, something you criticize yourself.

But wait now you want the same amount of effort to void options too on top of what they got. Like you think velf is the master race or something? Should they have a second heritage set too? You know to match their pure options.

Well, why not ask for more real void options? What's the problem? Void elves got only reused assets from their parent race, but they are not only AR who got their parent race assets. It's easy thing to do for Blizz which appease players with limited amount of work, so it's natural they go for it. It would be sad if void elves were left alone from brand new features while all other races got some.

Also, yea... why not getting second heritage. All races could have more heritages to properly reflect potential subraces, like high elves, wildhammer clan, various troll tribes, various human kingdoms, all the orc clans... so yes, the more options, the better.

Lol so the only way to be a true helf is to gimp your performance nice....

And your way would mean that the only way to be a proper void elf is to disable all other possibilities the race offers? How does that make race better?

Also no shit we won't get green maghar since it goes against what being maghar is. I guess the velf devs missed that memo.

Did you even read what I wrote? I said we will not be obviously getting green skined mag'har (because you know, it goes against the idea on which the race is build upon), but we got more options on mag'har reflecting various orc clans. Obviously, devs working on void elves decided that only corrupted appearance is vital for void elf fantasy, which is also proved by the fact that there are high elves in Telogrus, pointing out the source of another void elves.

Actually if belves got sanlyan options or dark ranger then that'd even the scales.

I support that. I think San'layn could be integrated to sin'dorei storytelling somehow, given their focus on rebirth of their nation. With the fall of Lich King, there could be some san'layn who wanted to rejoin their former nation.

[Rhlor]

I'd love to see that added.

This was posted on the official forums. I really wish blood elves had these options.

Red eyes for void elves? void elves use necromancy in zuldazar

[Alanar]

If they can do the hand magic effect for Nightborne then they can do it for Void elves too. Why limit it to just one race? I'd love to see Ren'dorei with their hands infused and overflowing with the Void. You can make the effect all astral-looking or simply void-y. The technology is getting there.

Just dont...

Its a very specific nightborne thing, it should be exclusive to them. We have been begging to get that option as it was shown on their npc.. for a long time.

How I am not suprised to see you once again try to say it should be a void elf thing?

Varadoc logic:

Blood elf fans: we want tattoos like bc box and artwork/ magister.
Literally 2 minutes after..

Varadoc: void elf should have those as well and we need blood elf hairstyles.

Blood elf fans: we want old blood knight back or maybe destroy the sunwell to get that old vibe back.

Again.. 2 minutes after

Varadoc: I want void elf paladins, lets use the old blood elf blood knight story, but replace the red with purple and makenit a void elf thing.

I mean.. really? Varadoc you are officialy the most greedy person out here and realy selfish. Your ideas are not your ideas. And all your ideas are just bad... like for real. This is just cheap. I cant wrap my head arround the fact that void elf fans.. like you are the hunters of vanilla.. everything is a hunter weapon.

From this day on you are an offical troll. Congratulation.

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Red eyes for void elves? void elves use necromancy in zuldazar

It should be an undead or blood elf thing. Its not as we have discussed this like a 100th times before.

Also weird coming from you.. its not a void elf thing.

[Vaedan]

Red eyes for void elves? void elves use necromancy in zuldazar

If you were paying attention, void elves in Zuldazar were not using necromancy. They were not using power of Death to pull souls from Shadowlands and insert them back to their bodies, creating standard undead. No. They were summoning Void entities and they used dead dinosaurs as vessels for them. That's all. They could easily use some constructs to accomodate Void, but they specificaly chose dead ravasaurs to break morale of defending Zandalari.

What they did is vastly different to standard necromancy, the one which was used to create san'layn. It's something completely different. Also, undead elves is a niche which belongs to the Horde since the day 1, so there is literaly no reason to give it to the Alliance.

[Rhlor]

If you were paying attention, void elves in Zuldazar were not using necromancy. They were not using power of Death to pull souls from Shadowlands and insert them back to their bodies, creating standard undead. No. They were summoning Void entities and they used dead dinosaurs as vessels for them. That's all. They could easily use some constructs to accomodate Void, but they specificaly chose dead ravasaurs to break morale of defending Zandalari.

What they did is vastly different to standard necromancy, the one which was used to create san'layn. It's something completely different. Also, undead elves is a niche which belongs to the Horde since the day 1, so there is literaly no reason to give it to the Alliance.

Void elves have dk (undead elves)

[Varodoc]

I think the Ren'dorei should have green eyes, since there are also Sin'dorei scholars amidst the ranks of the Ren'dorei.

I can also see why the Ren'dorei should have red eyes; after all, what's stopping an Undead elf from beseeching the knowledge of the Ren'dorei? This is the argument I used years ago to promote playable Void elf Death Knights.

Realistically there's no reason why an Undead Elf, a Dark Ranger, or even a San'layn, couldn't join the ranks of the Ren'dorei, seeking their knowledge.

Anyway I am confident that they will finally add these Ren'dorei-styled weapons in the game, since they added the Nightborne-styled ones for Legion Timewalking (source in the front page).







Now I don't play any tank but I will put that blade to good use, my Shadow Priest toon would look really good with it, coupled with the Ren'dorei Heritage armour.

[Vaedan]

Void elves have dk (undead elves)

DK is a class open to EVERY race in the game... so, blood elves have them too, for way loooonger and with way larger representation.

[Varodoc]

DK is a class open to EVERY race in the game... so, blood elves have them too, for way loooonger and with way larger representation.

Why exactly can't Blood and Void elves both get red eyes, like they both got blue eyes? There's really no reason why red eyes should be exclusive to Blood elves when Thalassian undead also join the ranks of the Ren'dorei (Void elf Death Knights).

[Tanaria]

DK is a class open to EVERY race in the game... so, blood elves have them too, for way loooonger and with way larger representation.

Isn't it about time that Void Elves should be getting "void" based features. I mean, Varodoc is basically asking for everything "Blood Elf" but not under the Blood Elf tag.

Or maybe Void Elves should be removed if their playerbase can't be anything other than Blood Elf clones.