Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

A place isn't an identity per se.

You can't staple pieces of a city to your character. Right now, 80% of the Blood Elf visual identity is shared with High Elves. Void Elves get to take from that too. That's why you need to further develop the blood elf identity, or you'll keep asking "Why do Void Elves get to steal from Blood Elves!?"

Yes it is.

Red, golds and all colours of Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are visible on the Blood Elves. The Sin'dorei are Quel'Thalas and vise versa.

It's High Elves that now need to embrace their new future with their Human and Void Elf friends.
More High Elves converting to Void Elves as that should be their new outlook.

Maybe High Elves and Void Elves need to establish new Mage and Hunter orders, since the Magisters and Farstriders are Horde-based armies.

[Yarathir]

Yes it is.

Red, golds and all colours of Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are visible on the Blood Elves. The Sin'dorei are Quel'Thalas and vise versa.

It's High Elves that now need to embrace their new future with their Human and Void Elf friends.
More High Elves converting to Void Elves as that should be their new outlook.

Maybe High Elves and Void Elves need to establish new Mage and Hunter orders, since the Magisters and Farstriders are Horde-based armies.

Okay, now tell me how that translates to unique looks for Sin'dorei?

Because being protective of/hoarding features that aren't even Blood Elf ones but High Elf ones is clearly not working out?

[Tanaria]

Okay, now tell me how that translates to unique looks for Sin'dorei?

Because being protective of/hoarding features that aren't even Blood Elf ones but High Elf ones is clearly not working out?

Golden and silver jewelry.
Golden and silver earrings

Sin'dorei have their own identity and that is the old high elf stuff, relating to their capital city and Quel'Thalas.
I mean, it's ok that you might hold some envy that they hold Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon, but it's time for you to move on and love Stormwind and Telogrus Rift.

Everything regarding Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas is Blood Elf.
So that is why High Elves and Void Elves need to find new sectors for their Rangers and Magi. Their core sectors are Horde based, so they need to establish new Alliance ones...or, just live in Human Potential and create something with the Humans?

Or - maybe Eldre'Thalas gets rebuilt and the High Elves and Void Elves go and live with the Shen'dralar Highborne in Feralas?

[Yarathir]

Golden and silver jewelry.
Golden and silver earrings

Which comically enough I've heard a lot of blood elf players claim aren't something they asked for.

Sin'dorei have their own identity and that is the old high elf stuff, relating to their capital city and Quel'Thalas.
I mean, it's ok that you might hold some envy that they hold Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon, but it's time for you to move on and love Stormwind and Telogrus Rift.

Everything regarding Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas is Blood Elf.
So that is why High Elves and Void Elves need to find new sectors for their Rangers and Magi. Their core sectors are Horde based, so they need to establish new Alliance ones...or, just live in Human Potential and create something with the Humans?

Or - maybe Eldre'Thalas gets rebuilt and the High Elves and Void Elves go and live with the Shen'dralar Highborne in Feralas?

You're talking about locations here, we're talking features. I don't care about Quel'thalas. I'm saying that pale skin, blonde hair and long hairstyles don't define Blood Elves and when it comes to customization, Void Elves aren't "stealing" from the Blood Elf box, but they're simply taking from the same High Elf box Blood Elves have been taking from since TBC.

Maybe we've got each other confused, or maybe I jumped in at an inopportune time.

[Tanaria]

Which comically enough I've heard a lot of blood elf players claim aren't something they asked for.

Everybody has differences in what they wanted. Some night elf fans wanted Blizzard to go all out with the "Highborne" treatment.

The jewelry options on the Blood Elves are those of phoneix's and are extremely lavish.
They still live the life that their Zin-Azshari Highborne ancestors lived in, so gaudy jewelry matches them.

Also having blinded eyes, which matches the Sin'dorei Farstriders and purple eyes, which link to mastery of the arcane.

[Yarathir]

Everybody has differences in what they wanted. Some night elf fans wanted Blizzard to go all out with the "Highborne" treatment.

The jewelry options on the Blood Elves are those of phoneix's and are extremely lavish.

I know, but I've seen more than a few Blood Elf players go "NOBODY WANTED THIS. NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS. THIS DOESN'T EVEN FIT FOR BLOOD ELVES" when told that they got jewelry as a customization option. I found that funny, especially the last bit.

[Tanaria]

You're talking about locations here, we're talking features. I don't care about Quel'thalas. I'm saying that pale skin, blonde hair and long hairstyles don't define Blood Elves and when it comes to customization, Void Elves aren't "stealing" from the Blood Elf box, but they're simply taking from the same High Elf box Blood Elves have been taking from since TBC.

Maybe we've got each other confused, or maybe I jumped in at an inopportune time.

And your getting your pale skin and blonde hair colour.

Now, it's time for you to get some "void" features, for void elves.
Hell, new void elf hairstyles can easily toggle off any void affects, so you can always be a high elf, walking around Stormwind.

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I know, but I've seen more than a few Blood Elf players go "NOBODY WANTED THIS. NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS. THIS DOESN'T EVEN FIT FOR BLOOD ELVES" when told that they got jewelry as a customization option. I found that funny, especially the last bit.

And I've seen more than a few night elf fans saying "WE WANTED MORE HIGHBORNE STUFF! WHERE'S THE HIGHBORNE STUFF?!" on the WoW forums. Wanting Azshara skin tones, purple eyes, arcane based runes...gladly swapping the leaves for jewelry options insted.

It's not just down to the Blood elf community and trying to suggest Blood Elf players don't know what they want.

To me, it's Night Elf fans that have become a little stuck on what they want.

[Yarathir]

And your getting your pale skin and blonde hair colour.

Now, it's time for you to get some "void" features, for void elves.
Hell, new void elf hairstyles can easily toggle off any void affects, so you can always be a high elf, walking around Stormwind.

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And I've seen more than a few night elf fans saying "WE WANTED MORE HIGHBORNE STUFF! WHERE'S THE HIGHBORNE STUFF?!" on the WoW forums. Wanting Azshara skin tones, purple eyes, arcane based runes...gladly swapping the leaves for jewelry options insted.

It's not just down to the Blood elf community and trying to suggest Blood Elf players don't know what they want.

To me, it's Night Elf fans that have become a little stuck on what they want.

Most of all, probably a story that doesn't spit in their faces.

[Tanaria]

Most of all, probably a story that doesn't spit in their faces.

That's down to Blizzard.

Not down to the other elf races or their fans.

Also - do they want more Highborne stuff or less Highborne stuff?

[Vaedan]

Golden and silver jewelry.
Golden and silver earrings

Sin'dorei have their own identity and that is the old high elf stuff, relating to their capital city and Quel'Thalas.
I mean, it's ok that you might hold some envy that they hold Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon, but it's time for you to move on and love Stormwind and Telogrus Rift.

Everything regarding Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas is Blood Elf.
So that is why High Elves and Void Elves need to find new sectors for their Rangers and Magi. Their core sectors are Horde based, so they need to establish new Alliance ones...or, just live in Human Potential and create something with the Humans?

Or - maybe Eldre'Thalas gets rebuilt and the High Elves and Void Elves go and live with the Shen'dralar Highborne in Feralas?

Well, void elves have Locus Researches and Umbral Rangers, so there it might hint that new organizations are taking root within their society. I think it's quite early for them to establish new orders, but few years already passed so it might be a time to introduce some. Anyway, I wouldn't mind if their Magi order would remain Magisters, since we've seen the title dates back to kaldorei empire (with Elisande using the title Grand Magistrix), so it's not purely blood elf order, but rather thing of their ancestry. It would be cool if void elves would rather adopt titles like Dark/Void Magister.

Farstriders are thalassian rangers, so it makes sense even for high elves and void elves to use that title, there are some Farstriders among Alliance high elves already, so I wouldn't mind that too, but finding their own name would be cool too.

The problem with void elves is the lack of their own distinctive lore. Because of that, we could approach new organizations and overall theme of the race, but it's still not there. Because of that, we cling to what race has to offer already, which is their thalassian heritage.

[Invicta]

the "void elf high elf options" aren't really satisfying, especially when that racial triggers and my character looks all purple

[Kyriani]

the "void elf high elf options" aren't really satisfying, especially when that racial triggers and my character looks all purple

I'm pretty satisfied. But if it's the racial giving you the most visual annoyance, you can stop it before it ever changes your appearance by making a macro of your most frequently spammed spells to cancel it before you ever see it.

Here's an example:

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Entropic Embrace
/cast Arcane Blast

That macro would cast arcane blast and cancel entropic embrace any time it triggers so you won't change appearance. Just replace arcane blast with whatever other frequently spammed ability your class/spec has and you'll be good to go. Maybe somewhere down the line Blizzard will add glyphs or barber options to customize entropic, but until then, this works.

[irresistable]

I'm pretty satisfied. But if it's the racial giving you the most visual annoyance, you can stop it before it ever changes your appearance by making a macro of your most frequently spammed spells to cancel it before you ever see it.

Here's an example:

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Entropic Embrace
/cast Arcane Blast

That macro would cast arcane blast and cancel entropic embrace any time it triggers so you won't change appearance. Just replace arcane blast with whatever other frequently spammed ability your class/spec has and you'll be good to go. Maybe somewhere down the line Blizzard will add glyphs or barber options to customize entropic, but until then, this works.

so I need to cripple my dps and make an entire racial useless?

they should just give us real high elves and not this joke

[Shadowtwili]

Love how... when you're gone for a handful of days, you return this thread has a hundred new pages....

:sigh:

What are we fighting over now, instead of coming together to demand better things for blood elves, void elves and high elves?

[Kyriani]

so I need to cripple my dps and make an entire racial useless?

they should just give us real high elves and not this joke

On average, entropic embrace comes out to a 1% dps increase over time, which hardly seems "crippling." You have to decide if your visual RP remaining uninterrupted is worth 1% dps. Does it suck that you have to negate your racial to keep your visual appearance from changing? Yes. But this is the only option we currently have.

Alliance high elves, as their own race, is 99% unlikely to ever happen now that void elves exist and have high elf customization. This is the point where it's time to resign ourselves to the reality we find ourselves in, and make the best of the options provided. Blizzard is highly unlikely to add another thalassian derivative race. You'd have more luck pushing for entropic embrace customization (to change or hide its appearance), or even for void elves to get paladins and demon hunters. Those classes are far more likely to be made available than it is for blizzard to add another copy/paste elf race, despite how problematic those classes are for void elves to have in regards to the lore.

I get that this isn't what you want to hear but it's the reality of things and there's little chance that what you desire will come to pass. I'm not saying you shouldn't keep asking for what you want, just to temper your expectations and perhaps try to find a way to make what you do have to work at an acceptable level. But realistically, the alliance high elf issue as been answered and resolved, even if that answer isn't 100% what people wanted. Void elves having high elf customization is a true compromise, and compromise means not getting 100% of what we ask for.

Void elves can have the visual aesthetic of high elves once 9.1.5 goes live. A simple macro can prevent entropic embrace from affecting you visually at the cost of some dps, and its up to you to decide which you value more. A glyph or barber option to customize/hide entropic embrace is a realistic request to make. Asking for another derivative thalassian race is not.

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hahaha so you get high elves in the form of void elves and now we bitch about the racial effect? christ you people won't ever be happy - if they even added high elves it still wouldn't be good enough

There's bound to be a few who refuse to take the win and move on, but please don't lump us all into the same box based on the reaction of a few individuals. I'm perfectly happy with my void elf customization come 9.1.5 and have no interest in changing my racial beyond perhaps a glyph to make it look more like Alleria's void form (hers is darker and her hair changes to a different color than her skin). And even without that, I'm still content.

This is enough to make me happy:

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

On average, entropic embrace comes out to a 1% dps increase over time, which hardly seems "crippling." You have to decide if your visual RP remaining uninterrupted is worth 1% dps. Does it suck that you have to negate your racial to keep your visual appearance from changing? Yes. But this is the only option we currently have.

Alliance high elves, as their own race, is 99% unlikely to ever happen now that void elves exist and have high elf customization. This is the point where it's time to resign ourselves to the reality we find ourselves in, and make the best of the options provided. Blizzard is highly unlikely to add another thalassian derivative race. You'd have more luck pushing for entropic embrace customization (to change or hide its appearance), or even for void elves to get paladins and demon hunters. Those classes are far more likely to be made available than it is for blizzard to add another copy/paste elf race, despite how problematic those classes are for void elves to have in regards to the lore.

I get that this isn't what you want to hear but it's the reality of things and there's little chance that what you desire will come to pass. I'm not saying you shouldn't keep asking for what you want, just to temper your expectations and perhaps try to find a way to make what you do have to work at an acceptable level. But realistically, the alliance high elf issue as been answered and resolved, even if that answer isn't 100% what people wanted. Void elves having high elf customization is a true compromise, and compromise means not getting 100% of what we ask for.

Void elves can have the visual aesthetic of high elves once 9.1.5 goes live. A simple macro can prevent entropic embrace from affecting you visually at the cost of some dps, and its up to you to decide which you value more. A glyph or barber option to customize/hide entropic embrace is a realistic request to make. Asking for another derivative thalassian race is not.

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There's bound to be a few who refuse to take the win and move on, but please don't lump us all into the same box based on the reaction of a few individuals. I'm perfectly happy with my void elf customization come 9.1.5 and have no interest in changing my racial beyond perhaps a glyph to make it look more like Alleria's void form (hers is darker and her hair changes to a different color than her skin). And even without that, I'm still content.

This is enough to make me happy:

Basically. If Entropic Embrace is such a turn off for you that you're willing to do away with 1% DPS, you can do it.

Would I like a less noticeable option for EE? For sure! But it's not a dealbreaker by any means.

Beyond crossing my fingers for Alleria like tattoos down the road, and perhaps a braid/tentacle toggle, High Elf fantasy has been achieved. Even if neither of those happen, we will most likely get more hairstyles and jewelry, with will further add to the possibilities.

But unless you are still waiting for High Elves with their own racials, this is pretty much it, and it's up each and every one of us to decide if that's enough. But for a lot of us is -it really is far more than we expected 5 years ago- and I really doubt we will get much in terms of exclusively HE fantasy added on top of VE's going on.

[Vaedan]

On average, entropic embrace comes out to a 1% dps increase over time, which hardly seems "crippling." You have to decide if your visual RP remaining uninterrupted is worth 1% dps. Does it suck that you have to negate your racial to keep your visual appearance from changing? Yes. But this is the only option we currently have.

Basically. If Entropic Embrace is such a turn off for you that you're willing to do away with 1% DPS, you can do it.

Well, if you play for example Nightborne warrior/rogue, you sacrifice your racial too. I'm also pretty sure that there are many race/class combinations, which are similarly less efective then som others, but it does not stop you from the choice of playing that, which is fine. You decide if you want to play a race you like. If you are not min-maxer, 1% of your total dmg/healing hardly makes any significant impact on your performance.

Void elves can have the visual aesthetic of high elves once 9.1.5 goes live. A simple macro can prevent entropic embrace from affecting you visually at the cost of some dps, and its up to you to decide which you value more. A glyph or barber option to customize/hide entropic embrace is a realistic request to make. Asking for another derivative thalassian race is not.

Entropic Embrace customizations would go a long way. I mean, just add us color scale from transparent to pitch black, with a blue in between, and you can cover all options from "invisible" trigger, arcane-like appearance to pure dark void. Also, would be cool if our hair change during the proc too as we've seen on Alleria.

There's bound to be a few who refuse to take the win and move on, but please don't lump us all into the same box based on the reaction of a few individuals. I'm perfectly happy with my void elf customization come 9.1.5 and have no interest in changing my racial beyond perhaps a glyph to make it look more like Alleria's void form (hers is darker and her hair changes to a different color than her skin). And even without that, I'm still content.

Same here. I'm also really happy with the high elf options we have now. If we get some more male hairstyles (females already have pretty great options with tentacle toggle), it'd get only better. I look forward to more void stuff now.

But unless you are still waiting for High Elves with their own racials, this is pretty much it, and it's up each and every one of us to decide if that's enough. But for a lot of us is -it really is far more than we expected 5 years ago- and I really doubt we will get much in terms of exclusively HE fantasy added on top of VE's going on.

I actually think that revamp of whole "Core race" and "Allied race" systems is in place. Basicaly, just replace segregation of Allied races and incorporate it to core race customizations, with possible sub-race selections. We've seen such fan concepts already and I think this have potential to introduce alternate race tags and customized racials. That could finaly close the High Elf chapter for all (not that it's that important now).

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I actually think that revamp of whole "Core race" and "Allied race" systems is in place. Basicaly, just replace segregation of Allied races and incorporate it to core race customizations, with possible sub-race selections. We've seen such fan concepts already and I think this have potential to introduce alternate race tags and customized racials. That could finaly close the High Elf chapter for all (not that it's that important now).

Honestly would love for that to happen tbh, with the already existing assets just being rearranged in different models.

It's a great idea, but I do not know if it's likely to happen soon if ever.

But like, imagine, the race being Thalassian Elf, and Alliance gets "Void and High" subraces, and Horde gets "Blood and San'layn". Same model, but some options are faction locked, and of course, there's a Racial System revamp.

Honestly I'd really love it.

[Varodoc]

I actually think that revamp of whole "Core race" and "Allied race" systems is in place. Basicaly, just replace segregation of Allied races and incorporate it to core race customizations, with possible sub-race selections. We've seen such fan concepts already and I think this have potential to introduce alternate race tags and customized racials. That could finaly close the High Elf chapter for all (not that it's that important now).

I'd hate this. Allied races are supposed to be "Core races but better, more unique, special". Hence why the Ren'dorei are essentially Sin'dorei who are enhanced greatly by the Void. Or the Shal'dorei are Kaldorei who have been twisted and morphed by the Arcane.

Hopefully the Allied Race segregation remains, it was the main selling point of BfA and its greatest legacy. For all the flaws BfA had, it shall forever be appreciated for the idea of Allied races.

From what I remember of the teaser, the crowd at BlizzCon went absolutely wild once Allied races were revealed (with a screen of Ren'dorei, LF Draenei, Dark Irons, Shal'dorei, Zandalari, and HM Tauren).

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'd hate this. Allied races are supposed to be "Core races but better, more unique, special". Hence why the Ren'dorei are essentially Sin'dorei who are enhanced greatly by the Void. Or the Shal'dorei are Kaldorei who have been twisted and morphed by the Arcane.

Hopefully the Allied Race segregation remains, it was the main selling point of BfA and its greatest legacy. For all the flaws BfA had, it shall forever be appreciated for the idea of Allied races.

From what I remember of the teaser, the crowd at BlizzCon went absolutely wild once Allied races were revealed (with a screen of Ren'dorei, LF Draenei, Dark Irons, Shal'dorei, Zandalari, and HM Tauren).

That's a pretty skewed interpretation of what an AR is with very little basis on reality.