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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    This is abs. correct.
    As I said, factions and are super weird in WoW. Nothing makes really sense, but imo the horde makes the least sense High elves/blood elves should never be in a faction of monsters. makes no sense, sorry.
    And stereotyping the Horde is what makes me not like the Alliance fanbase. I don't know what it is with people like you who thinks they can dictate what each faction should be, but the Alliance is allowed to be a bit darker, but the Horde...NO! Must be only ORCS AND MONSTERS!!!!! RAWWWRR!

    If you want the Horde to be "Sauron: LOTR Army" sort of thing, just play LOTRO. Azeroth is NOT Middle Earth. Sorry, but it's just fact.

    I'm sorry that the alliance has crap writing with everything being about Humans. That's not the Horde fanbase's problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And stereotyping the Horde is what makes me not like the Alliance fanbase. I don't know what it is with people like you who thinks they can dictate what each faction should be, but the Alliance is allowed to be a bit darker, but the Horde...NO! Must be only ORCS AND MONSTERS!!!!! RAWWWRR!

    If you want the Horde to be "Sauron: LOTR Army" sort of thing, just play LOTRO. Azeroth is NOT Middle Earth. Sorry, but it's just fact.

    I'm sorry that the alliance has crap writing with everything being about Humans. That's not the Horde fanbase's problem.
    Yes, elves do not fit within a monster faction. It is a video game with proper aestetics and when I see something that does not fit I say it.
    Like... A B A B A B A B A B A B A B Y A B A B A B. Yes, the Y does not fit. I don't understand why you, or at least it looks like this, are so touchy about it.
    The horde has BEs because chinese female players wanted a pretty race. There is no other reason. It is the only reason. There is no deep lore connection or anything. I don't understand why you come up with that LOTR example all the time. There are more fantasy universes out there, and none of them has elves together with orcs and trolls. Apart from ofc.. DARK elves.
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  3. #25443
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    If you feel personally comfortable inside stinky tends in oggrimar as a blood elf, fine. But objectively it makes zero sense from either perspective
    I mean to be honest for Blood Elves Orgimmar wouldn't feel all that more different from Stormwind.

    Like the BE's that get out there clearly don't mind it, and the ones that do, well, they really wouldn't see much of a difference between Orcs and Humans lmao.

    What I really don't like about the "Blood Elves make no sense on the Horde" is that, well, High Elves didn't make "sense" in the Alliance either, they joined in the second war out of necessity, not out of love. Of course some High Elves fell in love with the alliance and its people, but that's as much as true for some Blood Elves now on the Horde.

    To say "objectively make zero sense" is just kinda disingenuous. The realm of Quel'thalas isn't in the Horde for the good vibes; they are in there because of politics and mutual aid, the same reason they were on the Alliance back when.

    A Thalassian that would look down on the way of life of Orcs and other Horde races, would most likely do the same for the alliance races, cause that's just Xenophobia.

    But at the end, it's really just politics within the universe, and "aesthetics" are utterly irrelevant to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    The only reason why alliance got void elfs, was because alliance wanted to play with the thalassian model. And in case you've forgotten, the Blood Elves left the alliance in W3.

    The stones were already set for the Sin'dorei to join the Horde or remain neutral-horde friendly. W3 events, Sylvanas joining the Horde...all there. You just need to accept that those aspects are not for you, if your not going to play Horde. Stick to the faction of "Humans and Pals."

    Hum... No.

    QT was going to be Alliance. Even in Vanilla, a faction named as Remnants of Silvermoon was introduced on the ptr (but never got implemented on live).
    And there was an Alliance high elve on the road leading QT hinting that Silvermoon was going to be Alliance.

    So no. Blood elves are Horde for gameplay and marketing reasons.

    And no we never wanted the thalassian model. We just wanted the Alliance to be complete again.
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Yes, elves do not fit within a monster faction. It is a video game with proper aestetics and when I see something that does not fit I say it.
    Like... A B A B A B A B A B A B A B Y A B A B A B. Yes, the Y does not fit. I don't understand why you, or at least it looks like this, are so touchy about it.
    The horde has BEs because chinese female players wanted a pretty race. There is no other reason. It is the only reason. There is no deep lore connection or anything. I don't understand why you come up with that LOTR example all the time. There are more fantasy universes out there, and none of them has elves together with orcs and trolls. Apart from ofc.. DARK elves.
    And when I see something that is bad story, I say it. Alliance story is bad. It's a meme at this point.

    The Horde has Blood Elves because the story was set up from W3. They left the alliance because of racism.
    You just don't like that story set up because it took things you like, to the faction you don't like. Not my problem, I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Hum... No.

    QT was going to be Alliance. Even in Vanilla, a faction named as Remnants of Silvermoon was introduced on the ptr (but never got implemented on live).
    And there was an Alliance high elve on the road leading QT hinting that Silvermoon was going to be Alliance.

    So no. Blood elves are Horde for gameplay and marketing reasons.

    And no we never wanted the thalassian model. We just wanted the Alliance to be complete again.
    Your just ignoring the racism behind why the Blood Elves left the alliance.

    again, it's taking features you like to the faction you don't like. Its not my fault your Alliance has crap writing which makes everything about the Humans. Honestly, I'm all for deleting the alliance races, barring Humans, at this point, because it wouldn't actually impact on the Alliance story.

    Get over the Sin'dorei, Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And when I see something that is bad story, I say it. Alliance story is bad. It's a meme at this point.

    The Horde has Blood Elves because the story was set up from W3. They left the alliance because of racism.
    You just don't like that story set up because it took things you like, to the faction you don't like. Not my problem, I'm afraid.

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    Your just ignoring the racism behind why the Blood Elves left the alliance.

    again, it's taking features you like to the faction you don't like. Its not my fault your Alliance has crap writing which makes everything about the Humans. Honestly, I'm all for deleting the alliance races, barring Humans, at this point, because it wouldn't actually impact on the Alliance story.
    Jesus (I don't believe in Jesus, but I like to say "Jesus"), can someone please get him this official quote from blizzard...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Jesus (I don't believe in Jesus, but I like to say "Jesus"), can someone please get him this official quote from blizzard...
    I've seen the quote - but you still don't like the story from W3 which was set up.
    Again, you just don't like that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Hum... No.

    QT was going to be Alliance. Even in Vanilla, a faction named as Remnants of Silvermoon was introduced on the ptr (but never got implemented on live).
    And there was an Alliance high elve on the road leading QT hinting that Silvermoon was going to be Alliance.

    So no. Blood elves are Horde for gameplay and marketing reasons.

    And no we never wanted the thalassian model. We just wanted the Alliance to be complete again.
    We can't confirm that's true tho; like yeah, we can make a pretty good Guess that High Elves could have been an alliance race, but Quel'thalas and the blood elves themselves? I think we were actually closer to them being enemies on a future expansion rather than Silvermoon being alliance.

    Considering the ended up splitting the BE into "good" and "bad" ones, I think it is the far more likely scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    I've seen the quote - but you still don't like the story from W3 which was set up.
    Again, you just don't like that story.
    Great, so why are we still agueing? I even said mult. times that silvermoon is fine as it is. No one wants to take your precious blood elves from the stinky tends of derpimarr. I don't understand why you seem to be so defensiv about BEs all the time. There is stuff that is just fact and why we ended up where we are.
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  10. #25450
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Great, so why are we still agueing? I even said mult. times that silvermoon is fine as it is. No one wants to take your precious blood elves from the stinky tends of derpimarr. I don't understand why you seem to be so defensiv about BEs all the time. There is stuff that is just fact and why we ended up where we are.
    Silvermoon is not fine the way it is. Silvermoon needs updating for Horde Blood Elves.
    The city looks like a poor-man's GTA Vice City from the PS2 era. The Exodar is the same.

    I mean why are we arguing? You've got your High Elves in Stormwind...? A decent and fitting city, all things considered..? Horde have Blood Elves with an unfinished Silvermoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Silvermoon is not fine the way it is. Silvermoon needs updating for Horde Blood Elves.
    The city looks like a poor-man's GTA Vice City from the PS2 era. The Exodar is the same.

    I mean why are we arguing? You've got your High Elves in Stormwind...? A decent and fitting city, all things considered..? Horde have Blood Elves with an unfinished Silvermoon.
    What I meant but poorly expressed was, that Silvermoon for the horde is fine as it is. The visuals are horrible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    What I meant but poorly expressed was, that Silvermoon for the horde is fine as it is. The visuals are horrible
    Ah I see.
    Yes, I agree that it's fine with it being on the Horde.

    Exodar is perfect for the Alliance, but both need a serious update along with Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles.

    And yes, I am a Blood Elf fan - but do I believe the Blood Elves are the masters of everything? No. Do they make good Warlocks? Yes, I guess so. Are they the best Warlocks/Felweavers? No - not by any stretch of the imagination. Until they do what the Eredar and Orcs have done, Blood Elves will never be the best Warlocks.
    Can Blood Elves lose the Sunwell, so Silvermoon is changed in a way which emphasizes their mastery of arcane magical practices? Yes. Should they lose the Sunwell? Honestly, I believe so - Silvermoon could be changed in a way where it's still the Blood Elf, but has more Blood Crystals and Fel Crystals dotted around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Silvermoon is not fine the way it is. Silvermoon needs updating for Horde Blood Elves.
    The city looks like a poor-man's GTA Vice City from the PS2 era. The Exodar is the same.

    I mean why are we arguing? You've got your High Elves in Stormwind...? A decent and fitting city, all things considered..? Horde have Blood Elves with an unfinished Silvermoon.
    I definitely agree on the updating part for Silvermoon. And it should be incredibly beautiful, which all elf cities should be, whether htey're on the horde or alliance. The problem is horde fans are okay with only having hte pretty cities and seem to want alliance elves to have worse.

    And definitely disagreeing that Stormwind is suitable for any elf race - void/high or night elf - when Silvermoon and Suramar are sitting there, and you have the likes of Zin'Azshari as options for night elves, Skyhold for high elves or a void adapted version of Silvermoon as a separate city.

    Alliance fans covet the horde cities because they are actually perfectly represent what the high elves and night elven homes should be like properly, just like the blood elves were what should have been playable on the alliance as high elves.

    This is why, blizzard either need to give them their own equally or more stunning cities, or make them share. Or remove both. The last option serves no one and does no favours to fan love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I definitely agree on the updating part for Silvermoon. And it should be incredibly beautiful, which all elf cities should be, whether htey're on the horde or alliance. The problem is horde fans are okay with only having hte pretty cities and seem to want alliance elves to have worse.

    And definitely disagreeing that Stormwind is suitable for any elf race - void/high or night elf - when Silvermoon and Suramar are sitting there, and you have the likes of Zin'Azshari as options for night elves, Skyhold for high elves or a void adapted version of Silvermoon as a separate city.

    Alliance fans covet the horde cities because they are actually perfectly represent what the high elves and night elven homes should be like properly, just like the blood elves were what should have been playable on the alliance as high elves.

    This is why, blizzard either need to give them their own equally or more stunning cities, or make them share. Or remove both. The last option serves no one and does no favours to fan love.
    Stormwind is fairly suitable for the High Elves, considering they love working with Humans and many live between Stormwind and Dalaran.

    Night Elves will likely get something on Hyjal/Nordrassil.
    Forsaken will likely return to Lordaeron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post




    Your just ignoring the racism behind why the Blood Elves left the alliance.

    again, it's taking features you like to the faction you don't like. Its not my fault your Alliance has crap writing which makes everything about the Humans. Honestly, I'm all for deleting the alliance races, barring Humans, at this point, because it wouldn't actually impact on the Alliance story.

    Get over the Sin'dorei, Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon already.
    Aww... Bad bad humans.

    That's why the Blood Elves returned to Dalaran twice I suppose... Because humans are really bad and racist.


    Anyways... Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are part of Alliance Lore more than ever now. So no I don't get over it.

    Also your comment about how the Alliance is all about humans and its history so bad is really funny considering what the blood elves have become in the Horde since Wotlk... Humans with long ears having faith in the light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Very well done with the middle one, it's how I would imagine a Ren'dorei paladin. Did you base it on that concept?
    Thanks! I didn't base the warlock design on a paladin. I just really like the voidheart warlock set, but wanted to envision it without the robe. I wish we could get a "skirt toggle" for robes in the transmog UI so I could have non-robed versions of robe sets. I also prefer seeing my character's face and hair so I went with that crown instead of the set hood.

    If I were to put together void-themed paladin looks for a void elf, they'd probably be outfits like this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    We can't confirm that's true tho; like yeah, we can make a pretty good Guess that High Elves could have been an alliance race, but Quel'thalas and the blood elves themselves? I think we were actually closer to them being enemies on a future expansion rather than Silvermoon being alliance.

    Considering the ended up splitting the BE into "good" and "bad" ones, I think it is the far more likely scenario.
    Want to know what makes me believe that draenei were originally supposed to be horde and blood elves alliance? It's the fact that the Exodar has an easily accessible back entrance right to the racial leader, while silvermoon doesn't lol!

    All of these are without considering flying in mind cause there wasn't any flying in vanilla zones until cata:

    Orgrimmar - side entrance to thrall
    Undercity - tunnel to sylvanas
    Thunderbluff - a road behind most of the structures, away from the npc's leading right to cairne/baine

    vs.

    Stormwind - have to go through the front gate, several choke points, and lots of npcs (prior to the docks exposing the other side but even then it's probably a longer road to Varian/Anduin).
    Teldrassil - have to go through auberdine, to get to boat, to get to base of teldrassil, to use teleporter up to main city, then ride through all the npcs.
    Ironforge - have to go through the front gate, ride through several choke points and npcs, before you get to the target.

    It's probably just my own personal conspiracy theory but damn if it doesn't just make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    I am not sure how night elves are enveloped into human potential. We had at least three expansions heavily centered around night elves. So this is obv. not an argument
    Apart from this, blood elves did never fit into the horde because the whole aestetics is completly different.
    never forget the supreme high priestess of the 10,000 year old amazons had to be taught by a 40 year old human about patience, and how the humans are almost always on the spotlight despite having 25,000 year old space aliens who are supposed to be the true masters of arcane, or tough and strong dwarves, or whatnot

    the Horde is properly diversified at least and it's not always orcs
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Aww... Bad bad humans.

    That's why the Blood Elves returned to Dalaran twice I suppose... Because humans are really bad and racist.


    Anyways... Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are part of Alliance Lore more than ever now. So no I don't get over it.

    Also your comment about how the Alliance is all about humans and its history so bad is really funny considering what the blood elves have become in the Horde since Wotlk... Humans with long ears having faith in the light.
    You have to get over it. Draenei Isles is Alliance content.
    Sin'dorei content is Horde content.

    You've just got to look forward to a new Night Elf home and an updated Draenei isles. That will be Alliance content, whilst the Horde will see Forsaken returning to Lordaeron and an updated Quel'Thalas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Want to know what makes me believe that draenei were originally supposed to be horde and blood elves alliance? It's the fact that the Exodar has an easily accessible back entrance right to the racial leader, while silvermoon doesn't lol!

    All of these are without considering flying in mind cause there wasn't any flying in vanilla zones until cata:

    Orgrimmar - side entrance to thrall
    Undercity - tunnel to sylvanas
    Thunderbluff - a road behind most of the structures, away from the npc's leading right to cairne/baine

    vs.

    Stormwind - have to go through the front gate, several choke points, and lots of npcs (prior to the docks exposing the other side but even then it's probably a longer road to Varian/Anduin).
    Teldrassil - have to go through auberdine, to get to boat, to get to base of teldrassil, to use teleporter up to main city, then ride through all the npcs.
    Ironforge - have to go through the front gate, ride through several choke points and npcs, before you get to the target.

    It's probably just my own personal conspiracy theory but damn if it doesn't just make sense to me.
    Mind. Blown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And stereotyping the Horde is what makes me not like the Alliance fanbase. I don't know what it is with people like you who thinks they can dictate what each faction should be, but the Alliance is allowed to be a bit darker, but the Horde...NO! Must be only ORCS AND MONSTERS!!!!! RAWWWRR!

    If you want the Horde to be "Sauron: LOTR Army" sort of thing, just play LOTRO. Azeroth is NOT Middle Earth. Sorry, but it's just fact.

    I'm sorry that the alliance has crap writing with everything being about Humans. That's not the Horde fanbase's problem.
    You're funny saying Alliance has bad writing and it's only about humans, when your faction butchered all of its leaders back to back. Thrall? Yeeted after Cata with no powers. Vol'jin? Becomes WC and dies. Garrosh? No comment. Baine? Alliance enthusiast. Sylvanas? Doesn't give a f about Horde except for her human boyfriend. Lor'themar? Irrelevant since the start until Azshara patch, then back to being irrelevant.

    Btw we always had HE, we had their mount, their tabards and faction. We had zones with them being friendly only to the Alliance. And we had them in our cities since 2004, while your Horde leader Sylvanas still used the NE model. So don't be salty the Alliance got what was rightfully theirs. And this is the beginning. More customizations will come. Put it in your pipe and smoke it. Lemme go off on my Quel'dorei Steed while you run away on your hen (which VE also have the best version of).

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