1. #25681
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Nope. The Void Elves are getting all the options that belong to High Elves. Blood Elves' problems are that they never established an identity beyond slightly more edgy (TBC) and now holy Horde High Elves.
    So velfs get to steal all Sin'dorei features, because...?

    I mean, by default - all features for Night Elves, old and new - should be given to the Shal'dorei, plus the Shal'dorei getting glowing hands and narrow eyes.
    Last edited by Tanaria; 2021-10-02 at 06:47 PM.

  2. #25682
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    So velfs get to steal all Sin'dorei features, because...?

    I mean, by default - all features for Night Elves, old and new - should be given to the Shal'dorei, plus the Shal'dorei getting glowing hands and narrow eyes.
    Because they're not Sin'dorei features. Green and now golden eyes are Sin'dorei features. Some of the hairstyles are probably Sin'dorei features because they don't seem Quel'dorei in nature.

    Pale skin and blonde hair are not Sin'dorei features. Those are just features Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei happen to share. Blame Blizzard for making Sin'dorei slightly edgier Quel'dorei.

  3. #25683
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    So the void elves should get all customization options that blood elves get, but they can't have anything the void elves have or anything of their own?
    Correct on the first part. Since the Ren'dorei are special/evolved Sin'dorei.

    Last I checked, being twisted by the Void doesn't mean you suddenly lose your trademark Sin'dorei runic tattoo, or can no longer wear a phoenix-shaped necklace, or can no longer dye your hair red.

    The Sin'dorei already have some things of their own: the Paladin and DH classes (for the time being); and golden eyes.
    Last edited by Varodoc; 2021-10-02 at 07:15 PM.

  4. #25684
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Because they're not Sin'dorei features. Green and now golden eyes are Sin'dorei features. Some of the hairstyles are probably Sin'dorei features because they don't seem Quel'dorei in nature.

    Pale skin and blonde hair are not Sin'dorei features. Those are just features Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei happen to share. Blame Blizzard for making Sin'dorei slightly edgier Quel'dorei.
    Quel'dorei are also part of the Horde.
    So, Alliance get their "Quel'dorei" features, coming in 9.1.5, whilst Horde have their "Quel'dorei" features.

    But, the regal/more natural Quel'dorei features go to the more regal race of the playable Thalassians. That being the Sin'dorei.

  5. #25685
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    Tentacle hair options for blood elves?

    edit: sorry for the formatting issue.
    They would have to be tendrils of light. It could be cool if they were made entirely of light energy, with no physical form, like drops of water flowing down their heads.

    The problem there is the tentacles are attached to the Void Elf hairstyles, meaning they would have to share hairstyles both ways. Blood Elves would have to share yet another thing with Void Elves and give them their hairstyles as well. I don't mind that personally, but I'm sure people would still complain.

    I'd much rather have Void Elves get human and/or Kul Tiran hairstyles for that half-elf vibe though, in addition to a few new unique Void Elf wavy hairstyles like they already have.

  6. #25686
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I see; anyway, if you don't mind me moving the goalpost: Blood Elves are still High Elves
    I'll do you one better
    Blood Elves should join the alliance

  7. #25687
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    So velfs get to steal
    You mean like how the Horde stole the race originally?
    And like how the Horde "stole" Nightborne? And then got an entirely unique race when the Alliance got Gnomes 2?

    Ask for your own customization and unique themes, which, by the way, the story dictates is most likely going to be light. It really, truly, isn't that hard. If Blood Elf players spent less time crying about how the Alliance has one of their main races as a subrace, they might have actually been able to make influence on their own customizations, rather than driving engagement metrics for high elf content through the roof.
    We're allowed to have what's been ours since WC2, and dangled in front of our face every expansion in a borderline sociopathic manner.

  8. #25688
    Quote Originally Posted by Schwert View Post
    You mean like how the Horde stole the race originally?
    And like how the Horde "stole" Nightborne? And then got an entirely unique race when the Alliance got Gnomes 2?

    Ask for your own customization and unique themes, which, by the way, the story dictates is most likely going to be light. It really, truly, isn't that hard. If Blood Elf players spent less time crying about how the Alliance has one of their main races as a subrace, they might have actually been able to make influence on their own customizations, rather than driving engagement metrics for high elf content through the roof.
    We're allowed to have what's been ours since WC2, and dangled in front of our face every expansion in a borderline sociopathic manner.
    Whatever.

    Blood Elves and the Horde still need an updated Quel'Thalas.

    And, like I say - Blood elves have their features, with their more regal/city based appearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    I'll do you one better
    Blood Elves should join the alliance
    Nah.

    Remember when Tyrande needed Varian to tell her how to fight in a forest?
    Or Shandris going gah gah, over Humans and "Human Potential."

  9. #25689
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Whatever.

    Blood Elves and the Horde still need an updated Quel'Thalas.

    And, like I say - Blood elves have their features, with their more regal/city based appearances.

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    Nah.

    Remember when Tyrande needed Varian to tell her how to fight in a forest?
    Or Shandris going gah gah, over Humans and "Human Potential."
    I was clearly shitposting.
    And what the hell was that Human Potential storyline in BFA

  10. #25690
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Pale skin and blonde hair are not Sin'dorei features. Those are just features Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei happen to share. Blame Blizzard for making Sin'dorei slightly edgier Quel'dorei.
    Blizz could have doubled down on the edgelord phase and really given Blood Elves a distinct aesthetic - IIRC there's some Sindorei in Nazmir whom are practicing blood magic, but that was rejected by blood elf fans as gross and evil. And most of them seemed happy by being squeaky clean and 99.9% identical to High Elves. No fel crystals, no mana tap, no corrupt Sunwell, no magic addiction, no wretched, no edgy paladins. It sucks that there's almost no distinction between the blood elf and high elf aesthetic besides blue eyes, but that's what you get. Sort of how lazy the difference between LF Draenai and Junker Gnomes are from their parent race.

    Void Elves are the edgy, spooky, gothic elves now (who also have the option to look like High Elves like Blood Elves can). They took over the mana vampirism and amoral magic experimentation role ever since Blood Elves turned their life around and went to church. Any freaky customizations should be reserved for Void Elves. That includes red eyes and fucked up skin.
    Last edited by Alixie; 2021-10-03 at 12:20 AM.

  11. #25691
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    So the void elves should get all customization options that blood elves get, but they can't have anything the void elves have or anything of their own?
    Not really. Like a lot of the BE customization options are aesthetic; the fact that VE's should have their own aesthetic makes a complete overlap unlikely. Even the High Elven influence of the alliance would lead to something different, that moves the VE farther away from the BE aesthetics: VE are moving somewhere else culturally and ideology wise, and if the division remains, the differences will just grow.

    So while there should be an overlap regarding physiological appearance, their aesthetics, and thus customization options, will most likely keep diverging.

    Hairstyles, jewelry, markings, etc, sure there could be some aesthetic overlap where they both refer to their shared High Elven identity, but overall they could simply be different due to cultural drift.

    And in the same way Void has become anathema to the BE society, they would also develop/represent aesthetics that are very removed from anything the VE's have, and that could be either through a larger focus on fel, light, blood magic or even undead elves.

    The VE/BE relation exists basically as a Venn diagram; there is a point of commonality (natural skin tones, hair colors and eye color) but both groups would end up with different overall aesthetics, even if we end up with some overlap.

  12. #25692
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Quel'dorei are also part of the Horde.
    So, Alliance get their "Quel'dorei" features, coming in 9.1.5, whilst Horde have their "Quel'dorei" features.

    But, the regal/more natural Quel'dorei features go to the more regal race of the playable Thalassians. That being the Sin'dorei.
    No. Sin'dorei need to make their own identity. That starts with fel and Sunwell type stuff, maybe with a bit more exorbitant/ego-driven jewelry and perhaps certain styles of runic markings.

  13. #25693
    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    I remember when I used to check in because the art and mash ups people made were neat.

    Now it's just talk.

    Talk-talk-talk.

    Shame
    I'm sorry we can't live to your expectations mom!

  14. #25694
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    No. Sin'dorei need to make their own identity. That starts with fel and Sunwell type stuff, maybe with a bit more exorbitant/ego-driven jewelry and perhaps certain styles of runic markings.
    Sin'dorei already have their identity. It's Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas.
    All features for them are and should continue, to be based around their city...the most beautiful city on Azeroth, remarked by many on the Horde and Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    I'll do you one better
    Blood Elves should join the alliance
    no wtf, even if you remove Garithos they still haven't forgotten how the Alliance left them for dead for 6 years
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  16. #25696
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Sin'dorei already have their identity. It's Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas.
    All features for them are and should continue, to be based around their city...the most beautiful city on Azeroth, remarked by many on the Horde and Alliance.
    A place isn't an identity per se.

    You can't staple pieces of a city to your character. Right now, 80% of the Blood Elf visual identity is shared with High Elves. Void Elves get to take from that too. That's why you need to further develop the blood elf identity, or you'll keep asking "Why do Void Elves get to steal from Blood Elves!?"

  17. #25697
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    A place isn't an identity per se.

    You can't staple pieces of a city to your character. Right now, 80% of the Blood Elf visual identity is shared with High Elves. Void Elves get to take from that too. That's why you need to further develop the blood elf identity, or you'll keep asking "Why do Void Elves get to steal from Blood Elves!?"
    Yes it is.

    Red, golds and all colours of Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are visible on the Blood Elves. The Sin'dorei are Quel'Thalas and vise versa.

    It's High Elves that now need to embrace their new future with their Human and Void Elf friends.
    More High Elves converting to Void Elves as that should be their new outlook.

    Maybe High Elves and Void Elves need to establish new Mage and Hunter orders, since the Magisters and Farstriders are Horde-based armies.
    Last edited by Tanaria; 2021-10-03 at 12:35 PM.

  18. #25698
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Yes it is.

    Red, golds and all colours of Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are visible on the Blood Elves. The Sin'dorei are Quel'Thalas and vise versa.

    It's High Elves that now need to embrace their new future with their Human and Void Elf friends.
    More High Elves converting to Void Elves as that should be their new outlook.

    Maybe High Elves and Void Elves need to establish new Mage and Hunter orders, since the Magisters and Farstriders are Horde-based armies.
    Okay, now tell me how that translates to unique looks for Sin'dorei?

    Because being protective of/hoarding features that aren't even Blood Elf ones but High Elf ones is clearly not working out?

  19. #25699
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Okay, now tell me how that translates to unique looks for Sin'dorei?

    Because being protective of/hoarding features that aren't even Blood Elf ones but High Elf ones is clearly not working out?
    Golden and silver jewelry.
    Golden and silver earrings

    Sin'dorei have their own identity and that is the old high elf stuff, relating to their capital city and Quel'Thalas.
    I mean, it's ok that you might hold some envy that they hold Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon, but it's time for you to move on and love Stormwind and Telogrus Rift.

    Everything regarding Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas is Blood Elf.
    So that is why High Elves and Void Elves need to find new sectors for their Rangers and Magi. Their core sectors are Horde based, so they need to establish new Alliance ones...or, just live in Human Potential and create something with the Humans?

    Or - maybe Eldre'Thalas gets rebuilt and the High Elves and Void Elves go and live with the Shen'dralar Highborne in Feralas?
    Last edited by Tanaria; 2021-10-03 at 12:57 PM.

  20. #25700
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Golden and silver jewelry.
    Golden and silver earrings
    Which comically enough I've heard a lot of blood elf players claim aren't something they asked for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Sin'dorei have their own identity and that is the old high elf stuff, relating to their capital city and Quel'Thalas.
    I mean, it's ok that you might hold some envy that they hold Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon, but it's time for you to move on and love Stormwind and Telogrus Rift.

    Everything regarding Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas is Blood Elf.
    So that is why High Elves and Void Elves need to find new sectors for their Rangers and Magi. Their core sectors are Horde based, so they need to establish new Alliance ones...or, just live in Human Potential and create something with the Humans?

    Or - maybe Eldre'Thalas gets rebuilt and the High Elves and Void Elves go and live with the Shen'dralar Highborne in Feralas?
    You're talking about locations here, we're talking features. I don't care about Quel'thalas. I'm saying that pale skin, blonde hair and long hairstyles don't define Blood Elves and when it comes to customization, Void Elves aren't "stealing" from the Blood Elf box, but they're simply taking from the same High Elf box Blood Elves have been taking from since TBC.

    Maybe we've got each other confused, or maybe I jumped in at an inopportune time.

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