Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Why do you think they call each elf race a different something-dorei?

That would only be an issue if they spoke either on Darnassian or Thalassian, and to skirt around that issue they could simply refer as "my people" and "your people". Any potential official communication between groups would be in common so again, not an issue.

That they share a name in their mother tongues when the everyday language of the alliance is common -where their names are different- is a peculiarity at best that would bear little issue.

I think it does.

I mean it's okay if you do, but I have already told you why I think it's not important and so has Tanaria.

[Varodoc]

After tbc blood knights became full light followers and the original void elves were mages.
Voidladin are a good thing for void elves they dont need blood knights

I didn't say they would be Blood Knights?

Also no idea why you referenced their original group, that's not what I was talking about at all. Rangers also joined the Ren'dorei and were transformed into the Umbral Rangers, no reason why you can't fit the Blood Knights in there too through enough writing.

[username993720]

That would only be an issue if they spoke either on Darnassian or Thalassian, and to skirt around that issue they could simply refer as "my people" and "your people". Any potential official communication between groups would be in common so again, not an issue.

That they share a name in their mother tongues when the everyday language of the alliance is common -where their names are different- is a peculiarity at best that would bear little issue.

These are all gameplay aspects, not lore.

[Rhlor]

I didn't say they would be Blood Knights?

Also no idea why you referenced their original group, that's not what I was talking about at all. Rangers also joined the Ren'dorei and were transformed into the Umbral Rangers, no reason why you can't fit the Blood Knights in there too through enough writing.

The current blood knights are followers of the light and would not start using void powers. taking into account the pain caused to alleria by the simple fact of touching turalyon, I imagine that for a blood knight it would be suicidal to be linked to the void.
I think it would be more normal for void elves to learn to be viodladin by stealing that knowledge from the twilight hammer

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

These are all gameplay aspects, not lore.

I'm literally making a point from an in universe perspective.

Again, you can disagree, but you are just dismissing what I am saying.

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I've always thought one way to continue customizing our characters would be to have several racial-specific class skins. Not as thorough as some of the class skin concepts we've seen, but just enough to distinguish them so we have a lot of flavor.

Void Elf Paladins become playable in the form of Void Knights, and their spells are tinted purple and some spells of course renamed. Mechanically, plays the exact same.
Tauren Paladins become Sunwalkers and some of their spells are given a sun theme and with appropriate renaming, etc.

Indeed. Class Skins could bypass some of the class/race combos that seem implausible. Lorewise, it would greatly expand the player immersion to have more fantasy variety, and gameplay wise, it would allow people to choose to play their favorite race without being as limited on class options.

[Ogren]

Ren'dorei were kind of a mistake because Blizzard will never let them fully unchain themselves and melt serious faces with their void powers, that would make the Alliance less than the goody two shoe holy chivalrous knights led by a golden child.

It's tragic how they got Worgen'd this way, they had so much potential though I think they never should have been a thing and Worgen should have been the only dark race with High Elves being the actual new race added. Not this weird compromise shit that they are doing. :T

[username993720]

I'm literally making a point from an in universe perspective.

Again, you can disagree, but you are just dismissing what I am saying.

That's what disagreeing means.
WoW is not just built from in-game perspective, it has lore to back it up. And, currently, those two share elven names.

[Vaedan]

The current blood knights are followers of the light and would not start using void powers. taking into account the pain caused to alleria by the simple fact of touching turalyon, I imagine that for a blood knight it would be suicidal to be linked to the void.
I think it would be more normal for void elves to learn to be viodladin by stealing that knowledge from the twilight hammer

Turalyon is kind of Lightforged human and possibly the most powerful paladin at the moment and Alleria consumed both Void demigod and Essence of the Dark Naaru during her adventure in Eredath. Blood knights are just regular paladins. They are not infused with the Light, they are just using it... but I agree with you that current blood knights have little interest in studying Void and becoming Void elves. I just don't think that if some of them decide to experiment with the Void for whatever Reason, it would be suicidal for them. Alleria and Turalyon does not explode when they touch and they are much more afflicted with the Void/Light than any Void/blood elf is.

I can think of ren'dorei re-using original blood knight methods of draining Naaru. After all, this was abandoned by blood knights who are now regular paladins. It was magisters who created the ritual to drain Naaru, so even with the absence of original blood knights, it's not entirely out of question.

[Ielenia]

No, it's because the Ren'dorei offer far more to the Alliance than the Quel'dorei, it's as simple as that.

Everything the Quel'dorei can do, the Ren'dorei can also do it, and far better and more efficiently, since they are literally superior at a biological level.

The Ren'dorei are simply a far more valuable and worthy allied race to the Alliance than Vereesa's throng.

I wouldn't go that far. Being mutated by the void doesn't mean they're now "superior at a biological level", especially considering they all suffer, daily, with the whispers of the void.

Your entire post is in question, really, but what I pointed out is the more egregious in my opinion.

[Magnagarde]

No, it's because the Ren'dorei offer far more to the Alliance than the Quel'dorei, it's as simple as that.

Everything the Quel'dorei can do, the Ren'dorei can also do it, and far better and more efficiently, since they are literally superior at a biological level.

The Ren'dorei are simply a far more valuable and worthy allied race to the Alliance than Vereesa's throng.

The high elves, as they were in the Alliance since the introduction of WoW, are core to the Alliance fantasy and setting. The Ren'dorei are a compromised, shoehorned race that, potentially, allows Blizzard to tell stories related to the void from a protagonist perspective or an antagonistic Alliance perspective. This writing convenience came at the cost of high elven and Alliance identity, further diluting the already completely diluted Quel'dorei.

The void elves are and always will be the result of compromises on Blizzard's end, created to give them leeway to tell overarching plots, with little to no regard to faction and racial history. They're the Alliance's and the blood elves' black duckling and one in a myriad of examples where Blizzard gives players what they want, but the way they don't want it.

Speaking purely from an "in-character lore perspective", they're far from being bilogically superior; they're a mentally ailing, mutated sub-species of a species that's already been affected by the fel. The Alliance essentially got a void variant of blood elves, a variant whose superior knowledge of the void is in fact what makes them the inferior option, pertaining to what unifies Alliance high elves and the Alliance as a whole.

For the Alliance to accept void-craven mongrel elves with tentacles sticking out of the their heads is the most farcical story development the Alliance had to suffer since WoW's start. Everybody can see the problem from miles away, but apparently the various leaders of the Alliance can't because the writing is insufferable.

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I wouldn't go that far. Being mutated by the void doesn't mean they're now "superior at a biological level", especially considering they all suffer, daily, with the whispers of the void.

Your entire post is in question, really, but what I pointed out is the more egregious in my opinion.

In many ways, the void part of the void elves is what makes them inferior to Alliance high elves from the Alliance expedition to Outland and the Silver Covenant, along with a number of lodges scattered throughout the EK. These outcasts from the now-blood elven society had one cohesive motif; a refusal to accept change and being mired in more traditional living and thinking, sticking to their more traditional allies.

They Alliance high elves are, logistically and, in terms of their numbers, martially inferior to the might of the blood elven Quel'thalas, but this prevailing theme of being traditionalist outcasts and faction loyalists is what made them superior storytelling elements than the void elves could ever hope to be.

[Varodoc]

That there are people here still doubting the worth of the Ren'dorei and how they have proven to be the most valuable allied race of the Alliance is proof to me that BfA's storytelling ultimately failed.

In one quest, the Ren'dorei accomplished more for the Alliance than the Silver Covenant did in 10 years of lore. That's right, because if Alleria Windrunner didn't teleport her troops and the Gnomish troops at Lordaeron in time, then Anduin and his army would have been wiped out and the Alliance would have fallen forever.

I predicted this btw. I opened a thread back in 2017 titled along the lines of "Why the Ren'dorei will prove to be the most valuable allies of the Alliance", and I 100% predicted everything perfectly. I predicted that the Ren'dorei would be the most valuable of the allied races, and this is indeed what happened. Both Lordaeron and Dazar'alor ended up being Alliance successes solely and exclusively because of the Ren'dorei's involvement.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

That's what disagreeing means.
WoW is not just built from in-game perspective, it has lore to back it up. And, currently, those two share elven names.

And again, I have told you why I don't think that would be a relevant issue. Not from an in universe perspective, nor more obviously from a gameplay one. I gave you my arguments. All you have done is say *no".

*shrug*

[Tanaria]

When you define a race.
It can't share a name with another one.

Again - I'm not being convinced that this is a big thing.

High Elves and Highborne have known about each other since the end of Wrath / start of Cataclysm.
If they didn't make a big fuss of each other back then, what makes you think Blizzard will make a big fuss of it now?

The High Elves are so heavily tied to the two living Windrunner sisters and they are so far devoid from the Highborne - hell, Vereesa even believes Thalyssra and the Nightborne are extremely foreign to them and Thalyssra was born a Highborne Night Elf.

[Rhlor]

Turalyon is kind of Lightforged human and possibly the most powerful paladin at the moment and Alleria consumed both Void demigod and Essence of the Dark Naaru during her adventure in Eredath. Blood knights are just regular paladins. They are not infused with the Light, they are just using it... but I agree with you that current blood knights have little interest in studying Void and becoming Void elves. I just don't think that if some of them decide to experiment with the Void for whatever Reason, it would be suicidal for them. Alleria and Turalyon does not explode when they touch and they are much more afflicted with the Void/Light than any Void/blood elf is.

I can think of ren'dorei re-using original blood knight methods of draining Naaru. After all, this was abandoned by blood knights who are now regular paladins. It was magisters who created the ritual to drain Naaru, so even with the absence of original blood knights, it's not entirely out of question.

alleria just touching turalyon feels pain I imagine if her body was imbued with a large amount of light power maybe it could kill her

in any case I think that stealing the knowledge of twilight hammer is the best

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I wouldn't go that far. Being mutated by the void doesn't mean they're now "superior at a biological level", especially considering they all suffer, daily, with the whispers of the void.

Your entire post is in question, really, but what I pointed out is the more egregious in my opinion.

some of them go crazy we saw it in the expedition to the islands

[BaumanKing]

Turalyon is kind of Lightforged human and possibly the most powerful paladin at the moment and Alleria consumed both Void demigod and Essence of the Dark Naaru during her adventure in Eredath

Doubtful. Turalyon was easily humiliated by Illidan, in addition to being constantly kicked by the Horde in Stromgarde. Alleria did nothing to help us with N'zoth and was easily defeated in Visions. Their "power level" is on the same joke level as the Night Warrior's.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Doubtful. Turalyon was easily humiliated by Illidan, in addition to being constantly kicked by the Horde in Stromgarde. Alleria did nothing to help us with N'zoth and was easily defeated in Visions. Their "power level" is on the same joke level as the Night Warrior's.

Oh I gotta facepalm.

[username993720]

Again - I'm not being convinced that this is a big thing.

High Elves and Highborne have known about each other since the end of Wrath / start of Cataclysm.
If they didn't make a big fuss of each other back then, what makes you think Blizzard will make a big fuss of it now?

The High Elves are so heavily tied to the two living Windrunner sisters and they are so far devoid from the Highborne - hell, Vereesa even believes Thalyssra and the Nightborne are extremely foreign to them and Thalyssra was born a Highborne Night Elf.

There obviously is if they split the two into 4 different races.

[Varodoc]

Doubtful. Turalyon was easily humiliated by Illidan, in addition to being constantly kicked by the Horde in Stromgarde. Alleria did nothing to help us with N'zoth and was easily defeated in Visions. Their "power level" is on the same joke level as the Night Warrior's.

1) We both know that Blizzard doesn't care about and straight up hates Alleria, so it's not a surprise that they omitted her in favour of Anduin's boyfriend. In 8.2.5, Alleria was the only leader concerned more with N'Zoth than the faction war, so it's not like she wasn't entitled to appear in 8.3; SHE WAS. But Blizzard hates her, so they omitted her.

Anduin couldn't even mention the Ren'dorei when he was desperately looking for advisors to resist the whispers... The Ren'dorei whose sole purpose is resisting the whispers. What more proof do you need that Blizzard hates them? Your argument however is disingenuous, because they are written to be very powerful, that Blizzard hates them and doesn't want to use them is a different issue.

2) The Visions of N'Zoth were designed as solo content; as such, their bosses had to be defeated by 1 player. They are not group content. Thrall was also defeated by 1 player in the Vision of N'Zoth, even though in reality it would take an entire raid to beat him in Classic. And Thrall would obviously be stronger with N'Zoth's juice than without. These visions are not a good representation of their power at all.

As we said, Alleria has the power of a Void Naaru, the same power that could single-handedly annihilate the entire civilization of Karabor. Alleria absolutely can destroy entire countries by herself and she is possibly THE MOST POWERFUL racial leader right now.

[vilememory]

1300 pages you glorious magnificent bastards. I'll see you at 1400, let me know how many of the pages are just fan service wanking. The fan edits have been quite good, maybe you can actually get Blizzard to throw you a bone.

[Varodoc]

I can think of ren'dorei re-using original blood knight methods of draining Naaru. After all, this was abandoned by blood knights who are now regular paladins. It was magisters who created the ritual to drain Naaru, so even with the absence of original blood knights, it's not entirely out of question.

I don't know why this was so difficult to understand, but Yes, this is exactly what I meant. The Ren'dorei can 100% replicate the Blood Knight methods. They likely have the knowledge, since they are former Sin'dorei.

It was magisters who created the ritual to drain Naaru,

Since it's Blizzard, they can retroactively reveal that it was Magister Umbric specifically who came up with the ritual then.