1. #25761
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Indeed, and honestly Ren'dorei Paladins make as much sense as Tauren Paladins.

    I.e. They don't make sense if you only think about it for 10 seconds, but once you think about it for 11 seconds, you can start seeing where Blizzard is coming from.

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    I don't think any race should be able to be any class, because no one wants pandaren or gnome demon hunters, but I think Ren'dorei Paladins should be playable, and there is a story to tell there.

    The patron of these paladins could be Alleria herself, who shares her Void Naaru energy with these chosen champions of the Ren'dorei to empower them.
    Which is nothing unique and a purple ripoff from the original blood elf story and I dont think they should be paladins honestly, why should they anyway? It was never a high elf thing or a void thing. Seems out of place..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Which is nothing unique and a purple ripoff from the original blood elf story and I dont think they should be paladins honestly, why should they anyway? It was never a high elf thing or a void thing. Seems out of place..
    Because they've already been doing it anyway? That is, bending how their lore is portrayed in game. Tauren Paladins aren't actual Knights of the Holy Light. They're simply Sun Druids. Same for Zandalari Paladins, they're from worshipping a Holy Loa yet they'll still play with the Human based Paladin spell effects.

    Blizzard has time and again made exceptions for trivial reasons. Heck this whole thread stands as a testament to that, they first said 'No' to High Elf looks for Void Elves, then gave them eventually anyway with the reasoning that was always stated for their inclusion in the first place, "it makes sense".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Because they've already been doing it anyway? That is, bending how their lore is portrayed in game. Tauren Paladins aren't actual Knights of the Holy Light. They're simply Sun Druids. Same for Zandalari Paladins, they're from worshipping a Holy Loa yet they'll still play with the Human based Paladin spell effects.

    Blizzard has time and again made exceptions for trivial reasons. Heck this whole thread stands as a testament to that, they first said 'No' to High Elf looks for Void Elves, then gave them eventually anyway with the reasoning that was always stated for their inclusion in the first place, "it makes sense".
    NGL, the whole paladin debate feels so pointless to me. Like VE's (and HE's) don't need them, but it would be cool if they had -mostly because class skins are just a cool concept-

    But to say that "Void Elf Paladins make as much sense as Tauren Paladins" is kinda silly with how the lore for paladins currently is; even if Prelates and Sunwalkers have their own orders and beliefs, they are STILL channeling holy light. The difference in belief does not change from where their power actually comes from.

    Class Skins could change that, and it would be awesome, but right now, with paladins only being able to channel Holy Light, it really doesn't make sense for Void Elves to even be paladins on the first place, so we DO need the idea of a paradigm shift through Class Skins for it to really work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Which is nothing unique and a purple ripoff from the original blood elf story and I dont think they should be paladins honestly, why should they anyway? It was never a high elf thing or a void thing. Seems out of place..
    While I personally would like the idea of expanding the idea of what a paladin is and how it would lend to a more expansive class fantasy, I have to agree that unless "Void Knights" come with a unique story that's good, what's the point? They are unnecessary; the paladin archetype as it is has nothing to do with Void -it's literally anathema right now- we might as well get Dark Shamans.

    Like it would be neat to expand the classes fantasy, but VE nor HE *need* to be paladins, and as much as I'd love a HE paladin, I really think Shaman would be a far more interesting choice to see a void aspect of it through Void Elves.

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    instead of Paladins for Void Elves we could get "battlemage" class; something like the Night Elf Wardens, the Void Knights, the Blood Elf Spellbreakers, the Forsaken Dreadguards, etc.

    but of course, Tinker class first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    instead of Paladins for Void Elves we could get "battlemage" class; something like the Night Elf Wardens, the Void Knights, the Blood Elf Spellbreakers, the Forsaken Dreadguards, etc.

    but of course, Tinker class first
    Honestly I'm not very hopeful about new classes at all.

  6. #25766
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    instead of Paladins for Void Elves we could get "battlemage" class; something like the Night Elf Wardens, the Void Knights, the Blood Elf Spellbreakers, the Forsaken Dreadguards, etc.

    but of course, Tinker class first
    Why do people always need to use "instead" and not just "in addition to"?

    We can get... both :shrug:

  7. #25767
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    instead of Paladins for Void Elves we could get "battlemage" class; something like the Night Elf Wardens, the Void Knights, the Blood Elf Spellbreakers, the Forsaken Dreadguards, etc.

    but of course, Tinker class first
    Battlemage concept is cool indeed, the closest thing we got in playable classes is possibly enhancement shaman (combining spells and attacks), but I don't think we will ever see new class.

    Also, spellbreakers, while extremely cool, are also very niche concept which can't really carry full class with 3 specs.

    Night elf wardens, Void knights are good candidates for class skins, Forsaken dreadguard are basicaly DKs/Warriors.

    Talking about class skins, everybody seem to be focused on Void knight skin for Void elf paladins, but I'd be more hyped for "Riftblade" skin for Void elf DHs, replacing Fel with Void. If you think about it, it would make good sense and would go well along transformation Void elves went through. Their metamorphosis could even transform them to ethereals. Similarly, Horde could get "Spellblade" skin for Nightborne DHs, replacing Fel with Arcane, to even the scale.

    Of all concepts, Tinker seem most likely though, but I feel that Blizz missed their opportunity on that class in BfA.
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  8. #25768
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    NGL, the whole paladin debate feels so pointless to me. Like VE's (and HE's) don't need them, but it would be cool if they had -mostly because class skins are just a cool concept-

    But to say that "Void Elf Paladins make as much sense as Tauren Paladins" is kinda silly with how the lore for paladins currently is; even if Prelates and Sunwalkers have their own orders and beliefs, they are STILL channeling holy light. The difference in belief does not change from where their power actually comes from.

    Class Skins could change that, and it would be awesome, but right now, with paladins only being able to channel Holy Light, it really doesn't make sense for Void Elves to even be paladins on the first place, so we DO need the idea of a paradigm shift through Class Skins for it to really work.

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    While I personally would like the idea of expanding the idea of what a paladin is and how it would lend to a more expansive class fantasy, I have to agree that unless "Void Knights" come with a unique story that's good, what's the point? They are unnecessary; the paladin archetype as it is has nothing to do with Void -it's literally anathema right now- we might as well get Dark Shamans.

    Like it would be neat to expand the classes fantasy, but VE nor HE *need* to be paladins, and as much as I'd love a HE paladin, I really think Shaman would be a far more interesting choice to see a void aspect of it through Void Elves.
    I mean.. those are all what ifs.. or this could be cool cus x.
    But right now.. it just sounds weird and doesnt make much sense tbh.
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    the high elf customization options for void elves arent good enough

    the racial triggers and turns your skin purple

    only acceptable thing is for high elves to be their own race

  10. #25770
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    I mean.. those are all what ifs.. or this could be cool cus x.
    But right now.. it just sounds weird and doesnt make much sense tbh.
    That's exactly what I am saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Battlemage concept is cool indeed, the closest thing we got in playable classes is possibly enhancement shaman (combining spells and attacks), but I don't think we will ever see new class.

    Also, spellbreakers, while extremely cool, are also very niche concept which can't really carry full class with 3 specs.

    Night elf wardens, Void knights are good candidates for class skins, Forsaken dreadguard are basicaly DKs/Warriors.

    Talking about class skins, everybody seem to be focused on Void knight skin for Void elf paladins, but I'd be more hyped for "Riftblade" skin for Void elf DHs, replacing Fel with Void. If you think about it, it would make good sense and would go well along transformation Void elves went through. Their metamorphosis could even transform them to ethereals. Similarly, Horde could get "Spellblade" skin for Nightborne DHs, replacing Fel with Arcane, to even the scale.

    Of all concepts, Tinker seem most likely though, but I feel that Blizz missed their opportunity on that class in BfA.
    Oh, Riftblade as a DH skin could be indeed be very cool. Like indeed we all kinda tend to focus on the possibilities of the paladin when it comes to class skins, but DH is kind of on the same boat, so many possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandolf123 View Post
    the high elf customization options for void elves arent good enough

    the racial triggers and turns your skin purple

    only acceptable thing is for high elves to be their own race
    Kay, let us know how it goes for you on that.

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    Alternate heritage armor options when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post


    Alternate heritage armor options when?
    It really bothers me that there's no variance on heritage armor colors, when races like maghar do have it, and we know assets for NB and Lightforged Draenei already exist.

    Heritage Armor recolors could be such a crowd pleaser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Class Skins could change that, and it would be awesome, but right now, with paladins only being able to channel Holy Light, it really doesn't make sense for Void Elves to even be paladins on the first place, so we DO need the idea of a paradigm shift through Class Skins for it to really work.
    I was talking in context that it would be a Class Skin/Void Knight. I agree that currently it's not happening if they're only able to channel Holy Light per status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    I was talking in context that it would be a Class Skin/Void Knight. I agree that currently it's not happening if they're only able to channel Holy Light per status quo.
    Yeah, I was just stressing how a "Void Knight" is just very different in concept to the differences we see between Paladins and Prelates/Sunwalkers. We need a legit paradigm shift of class skins so that the idea of Void Knight/Riftblade makes sense.

  15. #25775
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Yeah, I was just stressing how a "Void Knight" is just very different in concept to the differences we see between Paladins and Prelates/Sunwalkers. We need a legit paradigm shift of class skins so that the idea of Void Knight/Riftblade makes sense.
    Void knight is the only concept that interests me, I'm not really into high elf paladins tbh. Given that, I wonder how Blizz monitor these fan requests. Class skins brings lot of attention on forums and people seem to be passionate about it. They also open space for new race/class combos, so they'll most likely be selling point of an expansion.

    They already have countless great suggestions from fans. With things like glyphs and warlock's green fire questline, we need it's possible to alter class animations.

  16. #25776
    Quote Originally Posted by brandolf123 View Post
    the high elf customization options for void elves arent good enough

    the racial triggers and turns your skin purple

    only acceptable thing is for high elves to be their own race
    Dont push it, you should be happy you got the option in the first place. High elves were already playable since 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post


    Alternate heritage armor options when?
    The blue silver one looks good!
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  17. #25777
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Dont push it, you should be happy you got the option in the first place. High elves were already playable since 2007.

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    The blue silver one looks good!
    Thanks. I would make the void wings an optional cape piece instead so they can be toggled off and the space-thing effect on this version of the set would be gems instead, but I couldn't do that with photoshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Thanks. I would make the void wings an optional cape piece instead so they can be toggled off and the space-thing effect on this version of the set would be gems instead, but I couldn't do that with photoshop.
    Void wings definitely should be back transmog and then we should have two options for chest slot - bare chest/bra with a collar we have today and a second one being regular tunic/robe. Other races (blood elves, worgen) have choice of tunic/robe too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowtwili View Post
    The problem with Eldre'thalas is that the Silver Covenant high elves and the void elves are too hung up on getting Quel'thalas for either themselves or into the Alliance *with* the blood elves as per Vereesa, Umbric and Alleria's own words.

    The Highvale high elves have their own self-sufficient village so wouldn't be interested either.

    The majority of night elves see north-east Kalimdor as their homeland, rebuilding Eldre'thalas would be weird for them as it is far to the south, away from their homeland, and they made that mistake already with Feathermoon Stronghold.

    The Draenei have shown no big interest in building a shared city, or nation, with the night elves except for one small village that probably got wrecked by the Horde during the Fourth War. There are draenei settlers with the Highvale elves, but again it seems neither of those two are interested in packing up shop and heading to Kalimdor.

    That leaves the Shen'dralar and a very large group of those died during the Fourth War so alone they wouldn't stand a chance to reclaim Eldre'thalas for generations.

    (ignoring Blizzard's style of writing in all this ofcourse).
    a bit late but anyway

    one thing I'd really like is for them to do a Dathremar 2.0 and eventually abandon their claim in Quel'thalas considering that they're pretty much hated now, especially Vereesa as she and her Silver Covenant brethren were massacring the Sunreavers and she made an attempted murder on Rommath, who's one of the highest ranks in Silvermoon

    the Highvale are out, yep

    the Draenei's mastery and interest of the arcane is criminally underused like they're supposed to be better than everyone else but nah it's all humans and some non-human tokens (well that's the Alliance for you); but considering that they're also in Dalaran, Stormwind, etc. I think it shouldn't be a stretch for them to take interest in Eldre'thalas considering it would also an arcane hub
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  20. #25780
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Void knight is the only concept that interests me, I'm not really into high elf paladins tbh. Given that, I wonder how Blizz monitor these fan requests. Class skins brings lot of attention on forums and people seem to be passionate about it. They also open space for new race/class combos, so they'll most likely be selling point of an expansion.

    They already have countless great suggestions from fans. With things like glyphs and warlock's green fire questline, we need it's possible to alter class animations.
    I do too like the idea of Riftblades as a class skin for a combo currently not available for VE's. There are so many race specific fantasies that could work so well with the idea of class skins.

    As whether it should be paladin or something else (DH? Just warrior with more cool looking spells?) isn't the focus for me, although personally I would like new class/race combos.

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