Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FossilFree]

Ah Yes, this brings back to the discussions about how the Moon Well of the Night Warrior gave huge Void vibes, and how Elune could be linked to the Void:

Oh yea! That moonwell looks very void-elfish to me. It even has the little stars in it.

If Elune was some sort of head Naaru or the creator of the Naaru, I could see a sort of two poles of Elune thing going on. Especially when the Naaru can shift into the void and become Void Lords.

[Fyersing]

Ok?

Not sure why I needed to see this. High elves are an allied race, can have a small base in Stormwind / Hinterlands and then get ported over to Chromie to start questing...? At the end of the day, the core race is the one with the starter zone, so high elves wouldn't get that. They'd just get an intro quest and get ported to Stormwind, like the other allied races.
Blood Elves have Quel'Thalas since they are the core race.

There isn't any real correlation to lean on, there...

Kul Tirans, Mechagnomes, Zandalari, Highmountain Tauren, and Nightborne all have in-game cities (even if they're not fully-functioning).

[Tanaria]

There isn't any real correlation to lean on, there...

Kul Tirans, Mechagnomes, Zandalari, Highmountain Tauren, and Nightborne all have in-game cities (even if they're not fully-functioning).

None of them have those cities/zones are quest areas and starter zones.
That is the difference between the allied races and the core races.

You have 1 quest from the leader, where you go to the main city hub and turn said quest in.

That is all I'd expect from a high elf allied race.

Probably Hinterlands or Crystalsong Forest where they meet Vereesa and a high elf mage npc who then teleports the player to Stormwind.

[Efcharisto]

How is this thread still a thing?

*WHY* is this thread still a thing?

You have blonde haired blue eyed white skinned Elves available to both Horde and Alliance

On the one hand I am agreeing with everything you say... on the other hand you're panda scum and must be purged!!!

Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom letting Blood elves to be part of it.

Quel'Thalas has - and will have - to do the same.

As an Alliance Thalassian, I have every right to return to Silvermoon, my homeland.

Dalaran has historically ALWAYS had representatives of Silvermoon present. Silvermoon already has High elves present in the kingdom.

You get your filthy, void twisted mits away from what is supposed to be my fel-corrupted paradise Alliance SCUM!!!

cool story bro

can alliance get white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed elves that dont turn into a purple lava lamp every 10 seconds in combat?

No.


Also... you void elf fans should just be happy you even exist... don't start asking for your own well. PESTS! THE LOT OF YOU!

[Rhlor]

That doesnt mean Jack. You should know by now that things can change. High elves can be involved, take over the whole place, or it can be destroyed like Theramore and Teldrassil.

Doesnt matter how hard Liadri fought, or that it was saved from the scourge.. that's all part 9f the story and past story doesnt prevent future story.

Ask the night elves of Teldrassil and Suramar. In fact ask the high elves of Wc2 and RoC WC3.

High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

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Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom letting Blood elves to be part of it.

Quel'Thalas has - and will have - to do the same.

As an Alliance Thalassian, I have every right to return to Silvermoon, my homeland.

Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

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You're naive if you can't see that this is Blizzard's way of answering the complaints and get rid of Anduin once and for all.

Turalyon and Alleria now lead the Alliance.

I only follow the canon and in the canon anduin is on vacation and is still the king. turalyon is only regent.

[Ersula]

Ok?

Not sure why I needed to see this. High elves are an allied race, can have a small base in Stormwind / Hinterlands and then get ported over to Chromie to start questing...? At the end of the day, the core race is the one with the starter zone, so high elves wouldn't get that. They'd just get an intro quest and get ported to Stormwind, like the other allied races.
Blood Elves have Quel'Thalas since they are the core race.

If they give us Darkfallen Elves you could say the same thing: High Elves are the main race, they're just divided into three subraces.

[Ardenaso]

Dalaran joined the Alliance after the purge of Dalaran and never left it.

The Council of six which rules Dalaran is full of Alliance members. It was later confirmed by Blizzard.

eh, I'd consider that ineffective immediately the moment Jaina left Dalaran

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Dalaran has historically ALWAYS had representatives of Silvermoon present. Silvermoon already has High elves present in the kingdom.

that had the same energy of Taiwanese still wanting to reclaim Mongolia

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don't start asking for your own well

considering the Night Warrior's starry theme, Alleria can get some correlation with Tyrande; perhaps Bashal'aran and then Telogrus could have the "Void Wells" that function like Moon Wells but for Void Elves

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Of course. The Ren'dorei have shown to be very methodical in their approach. Not evil, mind you, but they will not shy away from using certain methods if it gets them what they want. Like when they raised Zandalari bones using the Void magic, which they used consequently to terrify and break the morale of the Zandalari defenders.

I still consider their biological + psychological terrorism with that and then sending Hordes and Zandalari ambassadors in void portals as evil

[username993720]

They also all love nature, again some groups moreso than others, i mean if you had to live off nature because you were too scared to use your arcane magic, you likely have a deeper appreciation than your kin who did not, still, it is intrinsic in all elves as the night elf origin shows the race quite philic towards nature which attracts Cenarius' attention. The deviations occur much later on, so the intrinsic nature love is in all - and there is evidence to show in each variation.

Do Void elves love nature?

The current situation is political and ideological differences far more so than biological. Yes there are biological differences but very minor, they all have teh same lanky lean build, the same beauty focused appearance, same high intelligence and behaviourally and attitude wise they are also pretty much the same. What they choose to do and focus on is what varies - and is more based on school some focus on nature magic intesley, some on Elune, some on the Light, some on arcane magic, some on fel magic, some on forestry, hunting and tracking, some on fire magic, some on blood magic some on void magic .. You could merge them all into one and split them by school or profession instead - you wouldn't know the difference if it wasn't for their colouring.

This is a bit extreme. We're not talking about your philosphical view on them. We're talking gameplay-wise. If Highborne already share the name Quel'dorei with High elves, they can't become playable on their own. That's why they became customizations for Night elves and Blood/Void elves. One through the Mage class in Cataclysm, the other through customization options in Shadowlands.

At this point int he game, you are picking elves based on who their firends are and what thier magic vibe is. Want nature and stars & moon arcane stuff , pick night elves. Want void and human interaction pick void elves. Want the high elf vibe but with scary horde friends, gold, light and native northern european like appearances with fire and arcane magic - pick Blood elves.. wan tthe arcane focus of the kaldorei empire but with blood elf friendship - pick nightborne.

They are different races, if you like them or not.
You know, there can be different variations of the same race group. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Alixie]

Return to Azeroth. Return to High Elves and Ogres. Its gunna be two Azeroth only races and a throwback to Cataclysm where two old horde and alliance allies are finally recognized and playable.

[Ardenaso]

Return to Azeroth. Return to High Elves and Ogres. Its gunna be two Azeroth only races and a throwback to Cataclysm where two old horde and alliance allies are finally recognized and playable.

don't forget Alteraci Humans for the Horde

[Mace]

High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

That's not the point I'm making

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If they give us Darkfallen Elves you could say the same thing: High Elves are the main race, they're just divided into three subraces.

@Tanaria - Ersula is correct, High elf is the name of the race - the factions are blood elf, high elf (same race) and void elf - other factions like San'layn/Darkfallen exist, and who knows what happened to the Wretched. There are several factions of high elves too as you well know.. but with Alleria's return and the ren'dorei going alliance, it is possible they have rallied to her - but we haven't been told.

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Do Void elves love nature?

I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.

This is a bit extreme. We're not talking about your philosphical view on them. We're talking gameplay-wise. If Highborne already share the name Quel'dorei with High elves, they can't become playable on their own.

Highborne and High elf are different names. Doesn't matter if it is the same word in two different languages, Highborne is Quel'dorei in Darnassian, and high elf is Quel'dorei in Thalassian. There is a connection, but a night elven Highborne is clearly different from a high elf, they are different ethnicities now, live in different societies, have different religions despite their arcane focus, they even have different habits - one is nocturnal the other diurnal, they live in different societies, and the age gap is enormous..one comes from a different time of the elves, the other comes from a different kingdom of the elves.

They have a heritage connection as high elves are descendants of a very famous group of Highborne called the Sunstrider Highborne - the only palace Highborne in Zin'Azshari to rebel against the queen and join the resistance under Tyrande's leadership, and later expelled for refusing to keep the restrictions the elves and dragons had agreed on the use of the arcane in order to prevent the Legion from returning. You know the rest.

That's why they became customizations for Night elves and Blood/Void elves. One through the Mage class in Cataclysm, the other through customization options in Shadowlands.

True while in a sense you can have or pay high elf and Highborne through customisations for both night elves and void/blood elves - I wouldn't be surprised if they became a distinct faction themselves when blizzard finally properly reads the room and decides it is advantageous to promote high elves. I know some think it is superfluous at this point since they did void elves - but really they haven't properly delved into void elves yet, and the lore is very thin, they can still easily separate the two as much as consolidate them. Which will they choose? I think the fans would determine that.. it is why people like Tanaria re so hellbent on attacking even a hint or suggestion that might lead to more high elf involvement on forums they patrol diligently for comments on elves in the hope of manipulating opinion and influencing fans, and hopefully controlling what the developers see. Waste of time if you ask me.

They are different races, if you like them or not.
You know, there can be different variations of the same race group. There's nothing wrong with that.

Off course, there can be variations of the same race group - that's why we got allied races, and that variation started long before allied races too. in the main race group, are not worgen and forsaken a variation of human and blood elf a variation of night elf? some wouldsay GNomes are a variation of dwarves to - although I wouldn't go that far, cousins, yes.

[Varodoc]

High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

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Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

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I only follow the canon and in the canon anduin is on vacation and is still the king. turalyon is only regent.

No, the throne is in Turalyon's hands, as explicitly stated by Greymane.

Why do you want to die on this hill? You know you'll be proven wrong right?

[elbleuet]

eh, I'd consider that ineffective immediately the moment Jaina left Dalaran

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Why ?

Where's your Horde representative among the Kirin Tor ?

There's none.

Dalaran is letting Horde to set foot again in it for the greater good and because Blizzard is too lazy to design a new capital for Horde players.

But the truth is... the Kirin Tor is completely Alliance, Khadgar is Alliance, and the Horde was not allowed to have a representative again in Dalaran.

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Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

So maybe you should learn more about the void elves.

Telogrus is condamned to disappear, and void elves still consider Quel'Thalas as their homeland.

And no Dalaran isn't neutral. Maybe in your headcanon but not in the lore.

[Mace]

Oh yea! That moonwell looks very void-elfish to me. It even has the little stars in it.

If Elune was some sort of head Naaru or the creator of the Naaru, I could see a sort of two poles of Elune thing going on. Especially when the Naaru can shift into the void and become Void Lords.

Also @Varadoc - that Moonwell is basically your key to connecting and building a relationship between night elves and void elves - which has the potential to be far more meaningful than the nightborne/blood elf one for several reasons - especially how the void can help, and the appeal night elves will have to void elves, and the need of the druids for help with the nightmare creating a demand for void elves - this is a connection to night elves in all 4 of their areas.

1. Priesthood - obviously learning more about the dark side of Elune, Tyrande's new control of the immense power of the night warrior ritual would be very attractive to void elves
2. Highborne connection - they would find a lot of welcome amongst the Highborne caste amongst the Darnassians, and friendships there
3. Druids - druids will need more powerful help in beating the nightmare in the emerald dream, can't see any of group more perfect for the job than void elves - which could lead to cool void elf druid forms
4. Illidari DHs - no group can understand the void elves more than this one, and they can relate well, having both night elves and blood elves in it and the ostracism the void elves received from the blood elves for using the void is very much similar to how others treated the Illidari.

The void elves can literally connect with every group and discipline of the night elves. Meanwhile, the only connection the Nightborne have with the blood elves is arcane love and love of pretty cities, and Lor'themar's boner for Thalyssra - if you ask me, the Void elf/Night elf connection is by far the more interesting one to develop and build.

It's entirely their fault, Nightborne basically and essentially replace blood elves or vice versa, they were too similar which is why little development can happen, and when you see it, the Nightborne have to replace the blood elves for arcane stuff, shifting the blood elves more to light stuff.


Word of warning though, they are some very hard of hearing wow fans out there, some still to this day refuse to accept the Moonwells are arcane energy waters fro the Well of Eternity, despite it literally been told so, they would have a hard time looking at the Dark Moonwell or void well.

Can you imagine the void elves enhancing these to be void wells, and the new black moon sect, consisting of night elves and void elves from all works of life being this new Elune sub-faction. I mean if worgen can join the sentinels, why not void elves the black moon sect?

[mayorovd]

How many High Elf fanatics are out there?

[Efcharisto]

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that had the same energy of Taiwanese still wanting to reclaim Mongolia

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.

I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.

I personally would say no until proven otherwise. With a small caveat.

While you are right, the blood elves clearly were displayed to still love nature like their High Elven brethren, though likely more willing to sacrifice nature for their own needs and survival than I suspect the High Elves would be, the Void Elves probably are even more "hardened" in that regard than blood elves given the fact they have fully embraced such a destructive force like the Void. This is unlike the Blood elves who (despite the obvious implications of both official Blizzard concept art, early fan art and even some vague in game allusions all originally being to the contrary) did not fully embrace even the most basic fel magic and corrupt arcane magic throughout their society (this likely part of that High Elfication you mentioned prick Metzen and co doing).

As a result, I suspect most Void Elves are probably kinda indifferent to nature outside of perhaps as another thing to study as you said. Now, if Void Elves truly are meant to be basically Blood Elves 2.0 with void instead of fel (I like fel more.... I want true Blood elves 1.0...) then I could see them trying to "enslave" druidic magics as blood elves enslaved the light. Likely by taming/enslaving the Emerald Nightmare and have a type of druidic magic by proxy.

Does Alleria's story show that Void Elves besides Alleria have access to the holy light? Because Alleria is pretty exceptional. One can not compare most Velves to her.

[Ardenaso]

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.

yes the one you replied to

[username993720]

I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.

You're stretching it a bit too much.

Highborne and High elf are different names. Doesn't matter if it is the same word in two different languages, Highborne is Quel'dorei in Darnassian, and high elf is Quel'dorei in Thalassian. There is a connection, but a night elven Highborne is clearly different from a high elf, they are different ethnicities now, live in different societies, have different religions despite their arcane focus, they even have different habits - one is nocturnal the other diurnal, they live in different societies, and the age gap is enormous..one comes from a different time of the elves, the other comes from a different kingdom of the elves.

They have a heritage connection as high elves are descendants of a very famous group of Highborne called the Sunstrider Highborne - the only palace Highborne in Zin'Azshari to rebel against the queen and join the resistance under Tyrande's leadership, and later expelled for refusing to keep the restrictions the elves and dragons had agreed on the use of the arcane in order to prevent the Legion from returning. You know the rest.

They would inevtiably be changed, and their elvish name as well, like happened with the Nightborne, Void elves and Blood elves, who are really just a little bit of an altered former elf race.

True while in a sense you can have or pay high elf and Highborne through customisations for both night elves and void/blood elves - I wouldn't be surprised if they became a distinct faction themselves when blizzard finally properly reads the room and decides it is advantageous to promote high elves. I know some think it is superfluous at this point since they did void elves - but really they haven't properly delved into void elves yet, and the lore is very thin, they can still easily separate the two as much as consolidate them. Which will they choose? I think the fans would determine that.. it is why people like Tanaria re so hellbent on attacking even a hint or suggestion that might lead to more high elf involvement on forums they patrol diligently for comments on elves in the hope of manipulating opinion and influencing fans, and hopefully controlling what the developers see. Waste of time if you ask me.

To be honest, introducing them separately would undermine the customizations they've been working so hard on.

Off course, there can be variations of the same race group - that's why we got allied races, and that variation started long before allied races too. in the main race group, are not worgen and forsaken a variation of human and blood elf a variation of night elf? some wouldsay GNomes are a variation of dwarves to - although I wouldn't go that far, cousins, yes.

You're once again stretching it. First of all, Blood elves and Night elves aren't allied races and are still separate.
Second of all, saying Undead are a variation of Humans or that Blood elves are of Night elves is taking it a bit too far.

[Efcharisto]

I do think there is quite possibly a true genetic change that has occurred between a night elf and a high/blood elf. The physiological change is just to extreme for there not to be. Almost like comparing a zebra and a horse...

[Varodoc]

The time is coming, soon 10.0 will be announced and we'll finally see if the Ren'dorei will indeed replace Stormwind as the new main force of the Alliance, as I have been predicting. If the expansion features Quel'Thalas in a major way, this is guaranteed. If it doesn't, it is still likely, since the Ren'dorei know how to resist the whispers that broke the greatest dragons.