1. #25781
    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    The time where they had their city destroyed until now it's short in the lore's timeline, but in the games and media, what we had as Blood elves until the end of TbC was a race of elves who were decimated and adopted a survival mindset that draw them into the use of dangerous magic and questionable measures.

    It's the sentiment that they have lost what made them so different and spicy, edgy even, it's a matter of taste, so I can understand that you don't mind that they were changed due to lore writing decisions.


    I don't think anyone could reasonably doubt that, given that they had some sort of paladins and priests even when they lost their faith to the light.


    Not really, Blood elves don't call themselves High elves and viceversa.

    This can only make sense in a broad use of the concepts, but Warcraft has these concepts defined.



    Yeah, I also think red eyes don't suit Blood elves very well.


    I would have said otherwise in the past, but with Sylvanas now gone from power... I don't know how the future of the Forsaken might be.

    Maybe there's a place for the San'layn or not, but with current events I doubt it more.

    But with people playing "San'layn" as Void elves there's the same problem as playing "High elves" with Blood elves; It's the wrong faction.
    I as a blood elf player think that the sanlayn make more sense to the void elves. the void elves live in telogrus that is permanently in darkness also the void elves create undeads.
    on the contrary the blood elves live in a society permanently infused by light that damages the undeads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Maybe there's a place for the San'layn or not, but with current events I doubt it more.
    I don't really see why people are against San'layn going for the Horde when they're literally just Dark Rangers with extra steps; you can't deny Horde players San'layn options now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I as a blood elf player think that the sanlayn make more sense to the void elves. the void elves live in telogrus that is permanently in darkness also the void elves create undeads.
    on the contrary the blood elves live in a society permanently infused by light that damages the undeads.
    doesn't have to be that way; Dark Rangers and San'layn can be Forsaken model toggle options for Forsaken instead
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

    I make Warcraft 3 Reforged custom models that intends to fill the gaps in the Reforged campaign

  3. #25783
    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Hawk View Post
    Wretched Blood Elves aren't a starved state precisely, they get to this stage by consuming too much magical energy at once, arcane energy more specifically, it's like a crackhead that's very deep in shit.


    .
    I know right, it's been in the game since 2006, how are people confused about this.. it's night elvesn Nightborne Withered that got to that Withered stage before the Arcan'dor was created. but it's a thing of the past.

    But even the devs confused the two once.. Wretched and Withered are similar, but very different. Wretched = consumed magic beyond what your weakened state can handle (gives rise to the theory that every time the night elf devolves - the magic capacity reduces, so when they went from night elf to high elf, it was reduced, the sunwell helped, but when that was removed, the lower capacity meant glutting on magic changed them. [it's s a theory , could be wrong, but it sounds plausible to me]

    Withered on the other hand was because those night elves in Suramar were totally over hooked on the nightwell, so when it was taken from them, their bodies, totally imbalanced started falling apart.. they had nutrition shortage but rather than drop the shield to find food, they used magic to fix something nature should provide. hence breaking themselves.. so it took some nature/arcane balanced combo to fix the imbalance.. but until then, any hooked on the nightwell - i.e. all nightborne, were cursed to wither and die. - Thalyssra's words exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwert View Post
    Man, people keep going on about how the restoration of the Sunwell was a mistake, and for what reason? The race evolved. The Sunwell's been restored in real time now than it was destroyed, and their phase of fel/desperation was actually brief in the overall history of the race now.
    Did they start there? Yes. Are they that now? Absolutely not. The Blood Elves have, still are, and will always be the quintessential paladin race of the Horde.

    Holy theme customization makes the most sense for them going forwards, and if people aren't a fan of that, they can either not use those options, or they have another option with the more chaotic/gothic void elves, if they can stomach going Alliance. (Which is somehow the end of the world to some people to get what they want.)

    You can play a High Elf on either faction, but it's extremely clear with the story that those elves have split off with a major themeatic. Alliance has Void/Gothic traits, and the Horde has Holy/"Royal" traits to them. They mirror each other, and there's been hints of a Light vs Void plot coming.

    Also, sorry, red eyes absolutely suit Void Elves way more than Blood Elves. (Red is a void colour in both WoW, and across media in general.)

    And San'layn are not Horde. They failed to join the Horde, betrayed them after Talanji stated she already didn't trust them (do Alliance quests), and the Void Elves already cover a lot of the requests san'layn players have had like hairstyles, and the eye colours except red. If those options are going to anybody, it's likely them because they have almost the entire kit covered anyways, and you can make one on retail now if you can live without red eyes - especially as a DK.
    When it comes down to ease of implementation, if it's as simple as one eye colour, and a bonus of a single ear shape and maybe tints to existing skins, it's viable.



    Also, Dar'khan was scourge, had nothing to do with the void, yet played a major part in Umbric's backstory? Either they were going to be san'layn and it got changed in development, or there's a huge opening right there for a subrace recruitment.

    They're about as "blood elf" as a void elf is, but the void elves actually can use red - a void colour - to make them a subrace with very little work compared to blood elves, who'd need to have void elf assets to make it work for them.
    I think it was a good story crescendo moment to get the Sunwell back.

    Some players just want constant depression and darkness, nothing good ever happening. And just because blizzard doesn't utilise the story element well doesn't mean it was a bad idea.

    And just because you think it's boring, doesn't mean blizzard isn't utilising it well. i think the Elves should have their wells and now their wells should be stable and empowering them, and we should have conflicts for the elves elsewhere.

    In fact I think the elves have had enough conflict focus on themselves.. we should now onl y have them interact and helping others, sometimes others' problems can come to their lands, but we don't need to have their wells involved. they have enough nuance between their many f actions to create interesting internal stories and their pedigree allows them always to have huge roles amongst their faction allies keeping them interesting without going back to addiction or Well problems.


    And yes I'm talking about both Thalassian and Night elves - both the sunwell and Well of Eternity should be used by each group to build their races off, the elves in wow have just had too much devastation, and they have these power sources, that survive and have had their drama, it's time now for players to see the positive side of these things and just stop telling doom stories for them. Plenty of other races who have yet to face a similar extinction level event or have only ever had 1 problem.. let us go to those races, and the elves can help out so their huge fanbase doesn't feel left out.

    We've seen the elves down, and scrambling, but never seen them shining, that's all in lore we never saw.
    We never saw the high elves when they were a power house with everything working, we certainly never saw the night elves in their world leading civilization at their peak..utilising all their magics.

    It would be nice for a change for the elves to be in that place and now helping others rather than facing more extermination or annihilation. Their internal factions can provide enough interesting intrigue for them rather than needing some massive extinction event - i mean we've had enough.

    High elves - nearly extinct in the Troll wars, nearly extinct in the scourge attack - please enough
    Night elves - nearly extinct in the sundering, nearly extinct in the War of Thorns - please enough

    We've done addiction to death, and the seen the bad side of the Well's ( Well of Eternity implosion, night well corruption, Sunwell pollution and dissipation, then the void trying to consume the Sunwell)
    Addiction in night elves, in nightborne, in Thalassian elves

    ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH - MOVE ON... please, they've dealt with addiction, it's over, the great mystery solved in both night and Thalassian groups. Well's have had their troubles, we've seen the threat, please let's just see the benefits now and strengths.. Elves have bene nearly wiped out enough, let's see why they were so successful and powerful in the lore, le't s see them be a kick ass force rather than victim force.

    this goes for all the elves - blood elf, high elf, night elf, nightborne, void elf.


    Warcraft can afford to see the elves in a good place, because it has many other races and cosmic events to show conflict and disaster.. don't need it to be the elves.. yet again.
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  4. #25784
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I

    doesn't have to be that way; Dark Rangers and San'layn can be Forsaken model toggle options for Forsaken instead
    that would work

  5. #25785
    Back from vacation and ready to take so many pics of my High Elves yay!!

    Funny that my main will remain with his grey-ish color, it has been so long that he has had dark-ish hair that I can't imagine him as a blond elf anymore. But so glad that I can take the tentacles off the flayer hairstyle!

  6. #25786
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Back from vacation and ready to take so many pics of my High Elves yay!!

    Funny that my main will remain with his grey-ish color, it has been so long that he has had dark-ish hair that I can't imagine him as a blond elf anymore. But so glad that I can take the tentacles off the flayer hairstyle!
    My void elves run the gamut of hair colors, but most of them are using natural skin tones now. It's an aesthetic/transmog thing for me. Blue/purple skin tones (on any race) tend to limit what mogs I think look good on characters
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  7. #25787
    For all the haters online saying things like "no one gives a shit about Void elves, people only care about High elves, that's why they're popular", I still see plenty of people rocking the Void options.

    On Argent Dawn EU most of the other VE players I see have the Void skin options.

  8. #25788
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    My void elves run the gamut of hair colors, but most of them are using natural skin tones now. It's an aesthetic/transmog thing for me. Blue/purple skin tones (on any race) tend to limit what mogs I think look good on characters
    Yeah, personally, I have noticed that the VE's I have that have kept their bluish skin tones are those ones that have established looks that don't really change; outfits chosen because they look good with those options.

    So my rogue wears the VE heritage, now with white hair, my DK a bare chest acherus lool, with black hair, and my spriest the necrolord cloth armor, with pale blonde (will try to get pics of them leter) but I really can't imagine swapping mogs in the way I do with my other elves, they just don't look right without their outfits XD

  9. #25789
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    For all the haters online saying things like "no one gives a shit about Void elves, people only care about High elves, that's why they're popular", I still see plenty of people rocking the Void options.

    On Argent Dawn EU most of the other VE players I see have the Void skin options.
    the void elves are very cool hopefully those who want more void options can have them in the future. i think red eyes or eyes like azshara can be great on void elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    the void elves are very cool hopefully those who want more void options can have them in the future. i think red eyes or eyes like azshara can be great on void elves.
    For god's sake, no.

    No old god eyes for any playable race please.
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    For god's sake, no.

    No old god eyes for any playable race please.
    people want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    people want it
    And I want Silvermoon to be Alliance again.

    You see my point ?
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    > Equating giving Silvermoon to the Alliance to giving red eyes to the Ren'dorei

    Yep, just another day on classy MMO-Champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    > Equating giving Silvermoon to the Alliance to giving red eyes to the Ren'dorei

    Yep, just another day on classy MMO-Champion.
    Exactly. Blizzard isn't gonna give every bullshit players want. And I'm fine with it.

    The last thing the Alliance needs is red eyed elves hanging out in Stormwind.
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

  15. #25795
    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    And I want Silvermoon to be Alliance again.

    You see my point ?
    it's natural that people want void customization for void elves

  16. #25796
    Apparently there IS a new NPC string for Vereesa on the PTR, so she will show up. Wonder if it will be anything beyond some gossip text at the end, or anything more substantial. Regardless, I do think we'll see more of her on the Sylvanas book than the game itself.

    I would like if her appearance made a reference to her story on the Folk & Fairy Tales book.

  17. #25797
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    people want it
    In my opinion, this is the best void elf customisation proposal I have seen..

    I particualrly like the

    1. Corruptions
    2. new eye colours
    3. The purpling of the hands in the skin coloru section - this shoulda separate option from skin colour and should have some void glow effects at the far end of the scale.
    4. Although missing from this, you should be able to customise your entropic embrace - and they should give a light version. So some options for that too.

  18. #25798
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    In my opinion, this is the best void elf customisation proposal I have seen..

    I particualrly like the

    1. Corruptions
    2. new eye colours
    3. The purpling of the hands in the skin coloru section - this shoulda separate option from skin colour and should have some void glow effects at the far end of the scale.
    4. Although missing from this, you should be able to customise your entropic embrace - and they should give a light version. So some options for that too.
    there are very good ideas for void customization

  19. #25799
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    there are very good ideas for void customization
    That looks awesome!

    I'd love it if my Void Elf Mage could have something like that, just to show that he still retains some of his former "Quel'dorei" self, but it delving further into both Void and Arcane study.
    The tattoos could either show Arcane Mastery or Void Mastery, depending on your RP.

    Since my Void Elf Mage is purely Arcane, I'd go with Arcane Mastery.

  20. #25800
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    That looks awesome!

    I'd love it if my Void Elf Mage could have something like that, just to show that he still retains some of his former "Quel'dorei" self, but it delving further into both Void and Arcane study.
    The tattoos could either show Arcane Mastery or Void Mastery, depending on your RP.

    Since my Void Elf Mage is purely Arcane, I'd go with Arcane Mastery.
    Urgh I wish I had spent more time on the tattoo. I bet I could make a better looking one now heh

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