1. #25801
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    I think i know why High elves and Highborne didn't become playable as we know them.

    Both the High elves and Highborne are called Quel'dorei:
    "The high elves, or quel'dorei ("children of noble birth" in Darnassian and Thalassian), are a race descended from the night elf Highborne who left Kalimdor and settled in the Eastern Kingdoms, founding Quel'Thalas."

    "The Highborne (or quel'dorei, meaning "children of noble birth" in Darnassian), were the upper class and a sect of the ancient night elf civilization composed of the favored servitors of Queen Azshara."

    Therefore, the High elves needed to be separated into "Sin'dorei" (Blood elves) and "Ren'dorei" (Void elves) while the Highborne were separated into "Shal'dorei" (Nightborne) and "Kaldorei" (Night elf mages).
    I doubt matters of nomenclature ever influenced the decision of what ends up becoming a playable race.

    Even so, the fact that time and distance has made the shared "Quel'dorei" be recognized in the present as the very different "Highborne" and "High Elf" already creates differentiation, regardless if they share the same Darnassian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post


    Found my old tentacles into braids model edit, and decided to test some jewelry colors on it.
    he's really handsome, I wish the Stormwindians were also this handsome

    then you could just give them an extra body build toggle and a new half elf/high elf ear options and voila! Alliance High Elf Paladin that doesn't take away uniqueness form Blood Elves
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Even so, the fact that time and distance has made the shared "Quel'dorei" be recognized in the present as the very different "Highborne" and "High Elf" already creates differentiation, regardless if they share the same Darnassian origin.
    How would they be called then, if they were added?

  4. #25804
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    I think i know why High elves and Highborne didn't become playable as we know them.
    No, it's because the Ren'dorei offer far more to the Alliance than the Quel'dorei, it's as simple as that.

    Everything the Quel'dorei can do, the Ren'dorei can also do it, and far better and more efficiently, since they are literally superior at a biological level.

    The Ren'dorei are simply a far more valuable and worthy allied race to the Alliance than Vereesa's throng.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeeperOfTheGarden View Post
    (with Blood Elves as a Horde Race)
    not Horde, the Blood Elves and the Forsaken should've been their own faction
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  6. #25806
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    No, it's because the Ren'dorei offer far more to the Alliance than the Quel'dorei, it's as simple as that.

    Everything the Quel'dorei can do, the Ren'dorei can also do it, and far better and more efficiently, since they are literally superior at a biological level.

    The Ren'dorei are simply a far more valuable and worthy allied race to the Alliance than Vereesa's throng.
    Okay....?
    They were added because Dark elves are a common fantasy race.

  7. #25807
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Okay....?
    They were added because Dark elves are a common fantasy race.
    The Ren'dorei cannot be categorized actually. They have some elements of the "Dark elf" archetype but they have elements of other archetype of elves too. And, unlike many Dark elves throughout fiction, the Ren'dorei are not particularly associated to forest realm.

    The Kaldorei are as much "Dark elves" as the Ren'dorei because it's such a broad category.

  8. #25808
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    How would they be called then, if they were added?
    High Elf *shrug emoji* because no other group calls themselves that, and they have been referred as such all this time, by pretty much everyone.

    Either way, I don't care if they change their names to be honest. If they decided to drop the "High" and just refer themselves as "Elves" or take any other name I wouldn't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    he's really handsome, I wish the Stormwindians were also this handsome

    then you could just give them an extra body build toggle and a new half elf/high elf ear options and voila! Alliance High Elf Paladin that doesn't take away uniqueness form Blood Elves
    Thank you! Man I really wish we had braids like these.

    TBH it feels like more of a reach for Humans to get a half elf toggle, or half elves to become an AR of their own than class restrictions becoming less prominent.

    Let's not forget that we have HE fantasy through a simple yet effective sharing of textures, anything that would require a whole new model or a new Allied Race feels very out of reach.

    I don't think VE's are going to get Paladins unless the Paladin class fantasy changes, but even that feels more likely than Humans getting a new bodytype with HE options.

  9. #25809
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Ren'dorei cannot be categorized actually. They have some elements of the "Dark elf" archetype but they have elements of other archetype of elves too.
    Like what?

    And, unlike many Dark elves throughout fiction, the Ren'dorei are not particularly associated to forest realm.
    Why would dark elves be associated with forest?

    The Kaldorei are as much "Dark elves" as the Ren'dorei because it's such a broad category.
    The Kaldorei are actually half based on the Drow of D&D as well as the Nightborne. The other half is wood elves.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    High Elf *shrug emoji* because no other group calls themselves that, and they have been referred as such all this time, by pretty much everyone.

    Either way, I don't care if they change their names to be honest. If they decided to drop the "High" and just refer themselves as "Elves" or take any other name I wouldn't mind.
    No. I meant their elven name. Meaning, [what]dorei?

  10. #25810
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    No. I meant their elven name. Meaning, [what]dorei?
    As I already said, they don't need to have a different name on Darnassian because they already have different names in common. I really don't think it's important at all that both Highborne and High Elves share the same darnassian name. Is a peculiarity that reflects on their shared heritage at most, but given that most conversations are in common as the shared language amongst races, that their common names are different is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    I don't think VE's are going to get Paladins unless the Paladin class fantasy changes, but even that feels more likely than Humans getting a new bodytype with HE options.
    yes the VEs shouldn't get Paladin class as it's contradictory and the "Alliance High Elf Paladin" should be just obtainable in Stormwindian Human with just an elf ear option and some extra body types; it may not be close to Blood Elves but at least it's close for the Alliance High Elf
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  12. #25812
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    not Horde, the Blood Elves and the Forsaken should've been their own faction
    the blood elves had to be illidari. Naga, broken, blood elf and satyr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Ren'dorei cannot be categorized actually. They have some elements of the "Dark elf" archetype but they have elements of other archetype of elves too. And, unlike many Dark elves throughout fiction, the Ren'dorei are not particularly associated to forest realm.

    The Kaldorei are as much "Dark elves" as the Ren'dorei because it's such a broad category.
    Night elves are more like wood elved

  13. #25813
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    yes the VEs shouldn't get Paladin class as it's contradictory and the "Alliance High Elf Paladin" should be just obtainable in Stormwindian Human with just an elf ear option and some extra body types; it may not be close to Blood Elves but at least it's close for the Alliance High Elf
    I think they should get paladins, but only as Void Knights. Basically, Void Elf paladins would get a warlock green fire type deal that changes all their spells to void versions.

  14. #25814
    The Void elves absolutely can get a Void-version of Paladins.

    We already know that the Twilight's Hammer Cult had Void paladins in its service. They ARE a thing.

  15. #25815
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Void elves absolutely can get a Void-version of Paladins.

    We already know that the Twilight's Hammer Cult had Void paladins in its service. They ARE a thing.
    This is true.






  16. #25816
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    yes the VEs shouldn't get Paladin class as it's contradictory and the "Alliance High Elf Paladin" should be just obtainable in Stormwindian Human with just an elf ear option and some extra body types; it may not be close to Blood Elves but at least it's close for the Alliance High Elf
    Void Elf Paladin is highly unlikeable, buuuut I think it's more likely than Stormwindian Humans with extra body types and elf ear option. That is to say, both seem VERY unlikely to me.

    Half Elf AR might bee as unlikely, but I do believe they are a good AR choice alongside Mok'nathal, and Half Elven Paladins would make 100% sense.

    But if I am honest, they all seem very far on the unlikely side, yet IDK, Void Elven Paladins could be the most likely if we pair them with Class Skin concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    This is true.





    Stuff like these make me believe that Void Paladins as a Class Skin could very well be possible, but it would *have* to be linked to a Class Skin, because it need the explanation of being a Void Paladin, and with the current Paladin lore it doesn't really work.

    So I think it's plausible, but dependent on Class Skin concepts.

  17. #25817
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Stuff like these make me believe that Void Paladins as a Class Skin could very well be possible, but it would *have* to be linked to a Class Skin, because it need the explanation of being a Void Paladin, and with the current Paladin lore it doesn't really work.

    So I think it's plausible, but dependent on Class Skin concepts.
    Class skins would be great, there is so much you can do with them. I hope we get at least a few before long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    This is true.





    yeah voidladin!!!

  19. #25819
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    As I already said, they don't need to have a different name on Darnassian because they already have different names in common. I really don't think it's important at all that both Highborne and High Elves share the same darnassian name. Is a peculiarity that reflects on their shared heritage at most, but given that most conversations are in common as the shared language amongst races, that their common names are different is enough.
    It is important, lore-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    It is important, lore-wise.
    Okay.

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