Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Efcharisto]

The time is coming, soon 10.0 will be announced and we'll finally see if the Ren'dorei will indeed replace Stormwind as the new main force of the Alliance, as I have been predicting. If the expansion features Quel'Thalas in a major way, this is guaranteed. If it doesn't, it is still likely, since the Ren'dorei know how to resist the whispers that broke the greatest dragons.

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

[Schwert]

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

They broke an entire flight. So we're talking hundreds, potentially thousands, of "great dragons".
That's not overblown. It changed the course of history.

Or are we going to go nitpick and whine about the other race descriptions that also make them seem fancy just because I hate them?

[Varodoc]

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

You also forgot Nozdormu, who is doomed to turn into Murozond due to the Old God's machinations (stated on Dungeon Journal). The entire Black Dragonflight was also enslaved by N'Zoth and several dragonflights were created purely to serve as minions for the Old Gods (Twilight Dragonflight, Void Dragonflight, Chromatic Dragonflight, Infinite Dragonflight, Nightmare Dragonflight etc.).

Also, it is the Void Lords themselves who are whispering to Alleria. This is confirmed by Lor'themar when he meets Alleria:

Lor'themar Theron says: You doubt my words, yet how can we trust your own? Do you deny that the lords of the Void whisper to you? Did you not surrender yourself to the shadows on Argus?

So, while Deathwing and Nozdormu will be broken by the whispers of the Old Gods, Alleria was able to resist the whispers of the VOID LRODS themselves.

Don't worry though, I can tell that you hate the Void elves because you are downplaying their accomplishments. You're acting like Alleria isn't special and unique when she literally resisted the whispers of the Old Gods' creators (while Deathwing and Nozdormu fall prey to the whispers of the mere Old Gods).

[Schwert]

It's always interesting watching people who enjoy races that are given special treatment in the story get mad that another race got special treatment.

Truly fascinating.

God forbid multiple races get powerful aspects to them, especially on Alliance, and especially in a way that's not connected to the Light.

[Mace]

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.



I personally would say no until proven otherwise. With a small caveat.

While you are right, the blood elves clearly were displayed to still love nature like their High Elven brethren, though likely more willing to sacrifice nature for their own needs and survival than I suspect the High Elves would be,

I suspect the night elven druids would have made the same call, if they hadn't sacrificed the treats they would have spread the defiled dreadscar and all the land would have been lost,

We see Malfurion often ask of nature to sacrifice itself to save the land in danger - it's what most of his druidic actions are in the novels, though h

t he Void Elves probably are even more "hardened" in that regard than blood elves given the fact they have fully embraced such a destructive force like the Void. This is unlike the Blood elves who (despite the obvious implications of both official Blizzard concept art, early fan art and even some vague in game allusions all originally being to the contrary) did not fully embrace even the most basic fel magic and corrupt arcane magic throughout their society (this likely part of that High Elfication you mentioned prick Metzen and co doing).

The impression I got from the void elves wasnt more hardened...it was more curious and more exploratory, like a scholar than an angry or hardened vengeful veteran Illidari. Their is a strong resolve to protect the world from the void by learning from it and uapplying it to enhance all operations and fields of study.

But while nature isnt specifically mentioned, I suspect it would be one of the areas of study, so to would the elements by the lore description and presentation of the race, it should only be a matter of time before we see them working closely with both the elements and nature presumably leading to the druid and shaman class

Does Alleria's story show that Void Elves besides Alleria have access to the holy light? Because Alleria is pretty exceptional. One can not compare most Velves to her.

Algeria's story shows all of us in the great beyond have access to both void and light, they reveal this knowledge in it. Presu,manly it is why priests can cast both holy and void spells, even if they specialise in one

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You're stretching it a bit too much.



They would inevtiably be changed, and their elvish name as well, like happened with the Nightborne, Void elves and Blood elves, who are really just a little bit of an altered former elf race.



To be honest, introducing them separately would undermine the customizations they've been working so hard on.



You're once again stretching it. First of all, Blood elves and Night elves aren't allied races and are still separate.
Second of all, saying Undead are a variation of Humans or that Blood elves are of Night elves is taking it a bit too far.

I think it is the reality. The way blizzard arranged them in character creation and styled them is what makes them look like they are a separate species, but that isnt the lore...its just an in game stylisation to create distinctive silhouettes and appearance for each race. Which I like that they did and prefer it that way, doesnt make them a separate species, just a different ethnicity.

Before they were playable in TBC, thalassians and night elves shared the same model.
In Wc3 they also use the same model Differences are only size with other typical ethnicity variations like skin, eye, hairr colours and ear inclination angles.

Undead a literally humans in an undead state, it's not a different race, just a different side of life.

Worgen are literally humans that can transform into wolves.

Kul'tiran are humans, with a bit more vrykul in their bloodline, but still human.

Nightborne are night elves with very minor alterations due to the nightwell, they are like the difference between West Africans and east Africans.. one is darker than the other, one is skinnier than the other, one has narrow noses, the other broader ones but on average swap nose for ears for the elves.

Void elves are a minor variation of blood elves, always have been, even if they used a different skinnier model or the initial ripped model they swapped out.

This is what allied races are and some main races..

[Varodoc]

It's always interesting watching people who enjoy races that are given special treatment in the story get mad that another race got special treatment.

Truly fascinating.

God forbid multiple races get powerful aspects to them, especially on Alliance, and especially in a way that's not connected to the Light.

It's the duplicity of man.

The same people who complain that the Alliance is too Goody Goody two shoes lawful stupid are the same people who will tell you that Void elves are the worst race ever and shouldn't exist. Even though they are literally the most special and unique Alliance race.

[Mace]

It's the duplicity of man.

The same people who complain that the Alliance is too Goody Goody two shoes lawful stupid are the same people who will tell you that Void elves are the worst race ever and shouldn't exist. Even though they are literally the most special and unique Alliance race.

They are also the same people who play the most alliance race that was swapped to the horde - I.e. blood elves.

[Varodoc]

They are also the same people who play the most alliance race that was swapped to the horde - I.e. blood elves.

And who say nonsense like "Sylvanas is the best fantasy character ever, I have loved her since I was a kid and wanted to grow up and be strong like her".

[username993720]

I think it is the reality. The way blizzard arranged them in character creation and styled them is what makes them look like they are a separate species, but that isnt the lore...its just an in game stylisation to create distinctive silhouettes and appearance for each race. Which I like that they did and prefer it that way, doesnt make them a separate species, just a different ethnicity.

Before they were playable in TBC, thalassians and night elves shared the same model.
In Wc3 they also use the same model Differences are only size with other typical ethnicity variations like skin, eye, hairr colours and ear inclination angles.

Undead a literally humans in an undead state, it's not a different race, just a different side of life.

Worgen are literally humans that can transform into wolves.

Nightborne are night elves with very minor alterations due to the nightwell, they are like the difference between West Africans and east Africans.. one is darker than the other, one is skinnier than the other, one has narrow noses, the other broader ones but on average swap nose for ears for the elves.

Void elves are a minor variation of blood elves, always have been, even if they used a different skinnier model or the initial ripped model they swapped out.

This is what allied races are and some main races..

Sure. I'm not going to argue with you about semantics.

Kul'tiran are humans, with a bit more vrykul in their bloodline, but still human.

What? Kul Tirans have no Vrykul blood. They are former Gilneans. Drust are the former Vrykul.

[Alanar]

cool story bro

can alliance get white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed elves that dont turn into a purple lava lamp every 10 seconds in combat?

No.
/10chars

[Mace]

Sure. I'm not going to argue with you about semantics.



What? Kul Tirans have no Vrykul blood. They are former Gilneans. Drust are the former Vrykul.

Ever wondered why they were larger?

[FossilFree]

What? Kul Tirans have no Vrykul blood. They are former Gilneans. Drust are the former Vrykul.

There is actually a strong possibility that they do. You don't join a different society without intermixing, it's inevitable. Especially after 2700 years, there is bound to be gene flow going on there.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ulfar

It has been a long time since a mainlander step foot in my grove.

Do you wish to learn from the Thornspeakers, or do you come to lay claim to this land, as your kind are so fond of doing?

>Who are you?

I am Ulfar, the last of the Drust Thornspeakers and the teacher of these students. One day my task will be over, I will return to the earth and a new High Thornspeaker will rise to lead, as is the proper way of things.

But that day has not yet come.

>Are you druids?

We are, <name>. We are guardians of the balance in nature, the keepers of the cycle. Life is a part of nature, as is death.

>You're a Drust? Wasn't there a war against them?

Indeed I am. Not all of my people agreed with the conflict. Have you never seen division among your own?

We Thornspeakers joined Kul Tiran society. Some of their descendants heard the call of the wilds and wished to learn the ancient ways, and so we have taught them.

[Ogren]

You have blonde haired blue eyed white skinned Elves available to both Horde and Alliance

I mean, in fairness, I kinda get the whole issue about Alliance brand of High Elves being inexplicably stuck with perpetual emo hairstyles, maybe offer some more wild type of hairs that would fit a rugged forest hunter more just to branch out rather than everything being something straight out of 2006 Hot Topic.

[ercarp]

Out of curiosity, why is this thread still active? Not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm 100% for High Elves (there's literally High Elf art/concepts by me in the main post), but didn't Blizzard basically confirm that it's not going to happen when they gave Void Elves the ability to look like High Elves? You can make a Void Elf that has light skin, blue eyes, normal hair color, and no tentacles. That's probably as close to High Elves as we'll ever get as Alliance players. If they were to add High Elves now, after doing all that, they would be too similar in appearance to Void Elves.

The only thing I think they should do is add more hairstyles to Void Elves. Why can't they just give them all of the Blood Elf hairstyles? Oh and I guess I would like to see them add the blue facial tattoos as well. But I still feel like all of these are more likely to become customization features for Void Elves rather than Blizzard adding High Elves as a new race.

[Ansi]

Alexstraszas humanoid form is that of a high elf, so they could be a theme in the next expansion.

[Syegfryed]

Out of curiosity, why is this thread still active? Not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm 100% for High Elves (there's literally High Elf art/concepts by me in the main post), but didn't Blizzard basically confirm that it's not going to happen when they gave Void Elves the ability to look like High Elves? You can make a Void Elf that has light skin, blue eyes, normal hair color, and no tentacles. That's probably as close to High Elves as we'll ever get as Alliance players. If they were to add High Elves now, after doing all that, they would be too similar in appearance to Void Elves.

They will never stop unless they got the ability to change their names in the character creation, and change their racials colors

As you see, they are so superior and awesome they need to be pure and not corrupted by the void, even if they don't look corrupted anymore

Why can't they just give them all of the Blood Elf hairstyles?.

Because it would be bullshit? the races need different options, at least, so they keep their uniqueness, like blood elves not having void elves options, otherwise the alliance would be the only faction to essentially play two races, blood elves and void elves in one

[Delever]

Out of curiosity, why is this thread still active? Not trying to be a dick or anything, I'm 100% for High Elves (there's literally High Elf art/concepts by me in the main post), but didn't Blizzard basically confirm that it's not going to happen when they gave Void Elves the ability to look like High Elves? You can make a Void Elf that has light skin, blue eyes, normal hair color, and no tentacles. That's probably as close to High Elves as we'll ever get as Alliance players. If they were to add High Elves now, after doing all that, they would be too similar in appearance to Void Elves.

The only thing I think they should do is add more hairstyles to Void Elves. Why can't they just give them all of the Blood Elf hairstyles? Oh and I guess I would like to see them add the blue facial tattoos as well. But I still feel like all of these are more likely to become customization features for Void Elves rather than Blizzard adding High Elves as a new race.

I ll take the shot and be a dick in your stead because the truth needs to be spoken. If you go through a few pages you will quickly understand that this thread could give work to multiple psychiatrists for years to come.

[username993720]

Ever wondered why they were larger?

We have larger people in real life (usually northern ones) and pygmy ones (usually from tropical areas).

There is actually a strong possibility that they do. You don't join a different society without intermixing, it's inevitable. Especially after 2700 years, there is bound to be gene flow going on there.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ulfar

It has been a long time since a mainlander step foot in my grove.

Do you wish to learn from the Thornspeakers, or do you come to lay claim to this land, as your kind are so fond of doing?

>Who are you?

I am Ulfar, the last of the Drust Thornspeakers and the teacher of these students. One day my task will be over, I will return to the earth and a new High Thornspeaker will rise to lead, as is the proper way of things.

But that day has not yet come.

>Are you druids?

We are, <name>. We are guardians of the balance in nature, the keepers of the cycle. Life is a part of nature, as is death.

>You're a Drust? Wasn't there a war against them?

Indeed I am. Not all of my people agreed with the conflict. Have you never seen division among your own?

We Thornspeakers joined Kul Tiran society. Some of their descendants heard the call of the wilds and wished to learn the ancient ways, and so we have taught them.

Nothing about that indicates that they intermixed.

There are thin Kul Tirans, as well. Are they Vrykul-descended too?

[Ogren]

For me the void form racial doesn't bother me as much, I just treat it like an extra trinket proc, it's the haircuts that scream daddy issues and how some of them look impractical like the shoulder length option on males that have a strand covering their eyes making it look awful for a Hunter character.

[Varodoc]

Bump after the new expansion reveal.

Okay so there doesn't seem to be anything particular going on with Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas, despite all the new 9.2.5 questlines taking place there. That's disappointing, but 10.0 is not over yet and 11.0 still exists. So Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas revamp can still come.

In the meantime, this new race the Dracthyr offers new storyline potential for the Ren'dorei.

The Dracthyr were created by Neltharion, who succumbed to the whispers of the Void. Alleria Windrunner directly references this in the Void elf intro cutscene, noting how they have resisted the whispers of the Void that broke the will of Dragons (referring to Neltharion).

I think that Alleria will reach out to the Dracthyr and invite them into the Alliance. The Ren'dorei and Dracthyr have much knowledge about the Void to share and they have a common history of suffering derived from the Void (the Dracthyr's creator, after all, succumbed to the whispers of the Void).