Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

With Anduin Wrynn abdicating and Turalyon officially taking the throne of Stormwind as its King, the Wrynn dynasty is replaced by Turalyon's family. Since Alleria is Turalyon's wife, she becomes Queen of Stormwind. Their child Arator, the Son of Light and Shadow, will potentially rule Stormwind one day, as the son of the King of Stormwind Turalyon. Since Alleria Windrunner is the wife of King Turayon and mother of Prince Arator, the Windrunner family of Quel'Thalas will forever have a claim on the throne of Stormwind through Alleria and Arator.

Great things are coming, great things are coming indeed for the Alliance. This is everything I could have ever hoped for.

Anduin is absolutely not abdicating.

[Varodoc]

Anduin is absolutely not abdicating.

Ion agrees with me, you're wrong and I am right:

Anduin's future in the story will have some questions answered during Patch 9.2.5. He has been changed forever by his experience with Domination and will likely be stepping down as King of Stormwind for the time being.

The throne now belongs to King Turalyon, Anduin is no longer King and no longer has singular claim over it.

I love how Alliance players complained about Anduin and Varian for years but now that the Wrynns are finally gone, they want to refuse it happened. Make up your mind already.

[elbleuet]

Ion agrees with me, you're wrong and I am right:



The throne now belongs to King Turalyon, Anduin is no longer King and no longer has singular claim over it.

I love how Alliance players complained about Anduin and Varian for years but now that the Wrynns are finally gone, they want to refuse it happened. Make up your mind already.

Still not abdicating. Just stepping down.
And it's not like it's something we already knew.

As long as Anduin is not dead or Anduin says he's abdicating, you just can't pretend he is.

[Varodoc]

Still not abdicating. Just stepping down.
And it's not like it's something we already knew.

As long as Anduin is not dead or Anduin says he's abdicating, you just can't pretend he is.

"Stepping down" is literally the definition of Abdicating

[Combatbutler]

"Stepping down" is literally the definition of Abdicating

Nope, stepping down can be for a limited period of time. Abdicating is relinquishing ones claim entirely.

[Rhlor]

Ion agrees with me, you're wrong and I am right:



The throne now belongs to King Turalyon, Anduin is no longer King and no longer has singular claim over it.

I love how Alliance players complained about Anduin and Varian for years but now that the Wrynns are finally gone, they want to refuse it happened. Make up your mind already.

"For the time being"

[sighy]

Ion agrees with me, you're wrong and I am right:



The throne now belongs to King Turalyon, Anduin is no longer King and no longer has singular claim over it.

I love how Alliance players complained about Anduin and Varian for years but now that the Wrynns are finally gone, they want to refuse it happened. Make up your mind already.

If only there was a title meant for temporary/backup kings, who act with the king's authority, when the real king is a child, busy, missing or otherwise indisposed... Regent.

Turalyon already acts, with king's authority and commands the Aliance armada. Outside of Anduin and maybe Greymane nobody is in a political position to even challenge him, at the moment and from the sounds of it neither of those two has any desire to do so currently. That is until the Light/Void becomes the contemporary expansion's problem and you know just how much Blizzard likes their cosmic nonsense so both Alleria and Turalyon will likely be at the ground 0 of that shitshow logic be damned.

[elbleuet]

Nope, stepping down can be for a limited period of time. Abdicating is relinquishing ones claim entirely.

Thank you.

[Varodoc]

If only there was a title meant for temporary/backup kings, who act with the king's authority, when the real king is a child, busy, missing or otherwise indisposed... Regent.

Turalyon already acts, with king's authority and commands the Aliance armada. Outside of Anduin and maybe Greymane nobody is in a political position to even challenge him, at the moment and from the sounds of it neither of those two has any desire to do so currently. That is until the Light/Void becomes the contemporary expansion's problem and you know just how much Blizzard likes their cosmic nonsense so both Alleria and Turalyon will likely be at the ground 0 of that shitshow logic be damned.

Turalyon is no longer Regent because Anduin is no longer King. Being a Regent for a King who stepped down is oxymoron, it cannot happen, it is illogical. It's like trying to find the root of a negative number. Factually and by definition, you can't be the Regent of someone who stepped down as King.

When Thrall stepped down temporarily to study the elements, Garrosh wasn't "Regent", he was "Warchief".

Logic and Ion agree with me.

The Alliance now belongs to Alleria and Turalyon.

[Rhlor]

Turalyon is no longer Regent because Anduin is no longer King. Being a Regent for a King who stepped down is oxymoron, it cannot happen, it is illogical. It's like trying to find the root of a negative number. Factually and by definition, you can't be the Regent of someone who stepped down as King.

When Thrall stepped down temporarily to study the elements, Garrosh wasn't "Regent", he was "Warchief".

Logic and Ion agree with me.

The Alliance now belongs to Alleria and Turalyon.

that is not true! Let's suppose that he truly abdicated, there are cases in history where regencies are formed until the election of a new king

[sighy]

Turalyon is no longer Regent because Anduin is no longer King. Being a Regent for a King who stepped down is oxymoron, it cannot happen, it is illogical. It's like trying to find the root of a negative number. Factually and by definition, you can't be the Regent of someone who stepped down as King.

When Thrall stepped down temporarily to study the elements, Garrosh wasn't "Regent", he was "Warchief".

Logic and Ion agree with me.

The Alliance now belongs to Alleria and Turalyon.

You can. Even when the line is completely extinct the people ruling are referred to as regents, until proper royalty is formally established again. Sometimes that could even take decades, if there isn't a clear line of succession and since Anduin never got laid, never named a successor(outside greymane) and has no cousins that's not an option.

If you really want an extreme example Denethor's line from Lord of the Rings did it for generations, because the real King was prophetsised to return.

[Varodoc]

that is not true! Let's suppose that he truly abdicated, there are cases in history where regencies are formed until the election of a new king

You're not going to find anyone more qualified and capable than Turalyon.

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You can. Even when the line is completely extinct the people ruling are referred to as regents, until proper royalty is formally established again. Sometimes that could even take decades, if there isn't a clear line of succession and since Anduin never got laid, never named a successor(outside greymane) and has no cousins that's not an option.

If you really want an extreme example Denethor's line from Lord of the Rings did it for generations, because the real King was prophetsised to return.

Anduin already named a succession in case anything happened: Turalyon, a nobleman from Lordaeron and the one who convinced the Human nations to unite into the Alliance.

[elbleuet]

Turalyon is no longer Regent because Anduin is no longer King. Being a Regent for a King who stepped down is oxymoron, it cannot happen, it is illogical. It's like trying to find the root of a negative number. Factually and by definition, you can't be the Regent of someone who stepped down as King.

When Thrall stepped down temporarily to study the elements, Garrosh wasn't "Regent", he was "Warchief".

Logic and Ion agree with me.

The Alliance now belongs to Alleria and Turalyon.

Orgrimmar is not a kingdom.

Stormwind is. That's why Regent Garrosh wouldn't have worked.

As long as Anduin is still alive, and as along as Blizzard doesn't clarify it, Turalyon is still Regent.

[Varodoc]

Orgrimmar is not a kingdom.

Stormwind is. That's why Regent Garrosh wouldn't have worked.

As long as Anduin is still alive, and as along as Blizzard doesn't clarify it, Turalyon is still Regent.

Orgrimmar is the capital of Durotar, which is explicitly stated by its founder Thrall himself to be a kingdom, during a conversation with Rexxar in WC3:

Thrall: Mok'Nathal. I've heard tales of your people. They had both orc and ogre blood in their veins. It is an honor. We've built this kingdom--Durotar--for all our kind. Durotar is as much your home as it is mine, Rexxar. Stay awhile. Accept what hospitality we can offer. It is the least we could do.

So No, you are completely wrong. Durotar is a kingdom and yet Garrosh was never treated as its Regent, everyone accepted that he was its fully-acting leader, despite the fact that Thrall was only supposed to stay away temporarily.

[sighy]

You're not going to find anyone more qualified and capable than Turalyon.

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Anduin already named a succession in case anything happened: Turalyon, a nobleman from Lordaeron and the one who convinced the Human nations to unite into the Alliance.

Until he is called the King and his line is officially recognised as royalty he will continue being a regent, even if there is literally no king.


Your Horde example doesn't exactly translate, as that's supposed to be a sort of Kratocracy, as compared to a monarchy meaning it's much more flexible regarding leadership and line of succession is more measured in blunt trauma than political standing... well was, at that time anyway.

[elbleuet]

Orgrimmar is the capital of Durotar, which is explicitly stated by its founder Thrall himself to be a kingdom, during a conversation with Rexxar in WC3:



So No, you are completely wrong. Durotar is a kingdom and yet Garrosh was never treated as its Regent, everyone accepted that he was its fully-acting leader, despite the fact that Thrall was only supposed to stay away temporarily.

So first you were wrong about Anduin abdicating .. Now this ?

So I will be more precise since you seem a little biaised in your arguments : Stormwind is a hereditary monarchy. Orgrimmar is not.

So, as long as Anduin isn't dead or as long as he won't say he stepped away from being king forever, Turalyon will still remain regent, wether you like it or not.

[Varodoc]

So first you were wrong about Anduin abdicating .. Now this ?

So I will be more precise since you seem a little biaised in your arguments : Stormwind is a hereditary monarchy. Orgrimmar is not.

So, as long as Anduin isn't dead or as long as he won't say he stepped away from being king forever, Turalyon will still remain regent, wether you like it or not.

Nope, I'm not wrong.

I can't be wrong because Ion agrees with me that Anduin stepped down and thus he is no longer King. Turalyon is now the King of Stormwind, Alleria is the Queen, and Arator is the Prince, because Anduin stepped down and handed full powers over to Turalyon as per his own admission, with Greymane reiterating that the throne will be in Turalyon's hands.

With this, Turalyon's Family replaces the Wrynn as the ruling dynasty of the Kingdom of Stormwind, with the full backing of the House of Nobles, whose support has always been vital to any would-be monarch of Stormwind.

Also, No proof Durotar isn't a hereditary monarchy. On the contrary, the Frostwolf clan upon which most of the Durotar culture is based (with Thrall himself being a Frostwolf and the kingdom being named after a Frostwolf) was hereditary. That it is not hereditary is your baseless headcanon.

[elbleuet]

Nope, I'm not wrong.

I can't be wrong because Ion agrees with me that Anduin stepped down and thus he is no longer King. Turalyon is now the King of Stormwind, Alleria is the Queen, and Arator is the Prince, because Anduin stepped down and handed full powers over to Turalyon as per his own admission, with Greymane reiterating that the throne will be in Turalyon's hands.

With this, Turalyon's Family replaces the Wrynn as the ruling dynasty of the Kingdom of Stormwind, with the full backing of the House of Nobles, whose support has always been vital to any would-be monarch of Stormwind.

Also, No proof Durotar isn't a hereditary monarchy. On the contrary, the Frostwolf clan upon which most of the Durotar culture is based (with Thrall himself being a Frostwolf and the kingdom being named after a Frostwolf) was hereditary. That it is not hereditary is your baseless headcanon.

Alleria the queen and Arator the prince nice headcanons
Still wrong and baseless assumptions. But no need to be aggressive man. Go out take a breath of fresh air and come back.

Also you didn't ask Ion for confirmation and Ion didn't reply to you, so stop saying "Ion agrees with me blabla"

And about Turalyon being regent :

Genn Greymane says: Anduin entrusted Turalyon with command of our military forces. The Stormwind nobles support him serving as regent and protector of the realm.

That occured when Anduin stepped down.

For now, Turalyon only commands the Alliance military forces and is protector of the kingdom of Stormwind. Nothing more.

So once again, you're wrong.

[Varodoc]

Alleria the queen and Arator the prince nice headcanons
Still wrong and baseless assumptions. But no need to be aggressive man. Go out take a breath of fresh air and come back.

Also you didn't ask Ion for confirmation and Ion didn't reply to you, so stop saying "Ion agrees with me blabla"

And about Turalyon being regent :


That occured when Anduin stepped down.

For now, Turalyon only commands the Alliance military forces and is protector of the kingdom of Stormwind. Nothing more.

So once again, you're wrong.

Right, thanks for posting a line from the Shadowlands pre-patch, unfortunately we are talking about the developments from the post-Jailer raid in 9.2. Not really relevant, is it, since Anduin went through the whole process of having his body and mind suppressed and broken by the Janitor, in the 2 years between saying that line and 9.2.

Also "Nothing more", yeah, because what more do you want? He already commands the Alliance AND Stormwind

[elbleuet]

Right, thanks for posting a line from the Shadowlands pre-patch, unfortunately we are talking about the developments from the post-Jailer raid in 9.2. Not really relevant, is it, since Anduin went through the whole process of having his body and mind suppressed and broken by the Janitor, in the 2 years between saying that line and 9.2.
Also "Nothing more", yeah, because what more do you want? He already commands the Alliance AND Stormwind

A line stating Turalyon was crowned king of Stormwind and a line stating Anduin renounced the throne of Stormwind forever ?

Better. Turalyon IG with the title <King of Stormwind>, Alleria with the title <Queen of Stormwind> and Arator with the title <Prince of Stormwins>

I'm waiting. Don't disappoint me sir