1. #25881
    10.0:
    HEs⊊BEs⊆people of Quel'Thalas(led by great Regent Lord Bob)⊊people of the The Horde
    VEs(led by Alleria Windrunner)⊊people of The Alliance

    All that stuff about HE has become a cancer of this game,whether in terms of gameplay or lorewise.
    Blizzard should solve it once and for all.

  2. #25882
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Huh? Were you talking to me or Tanaria?
    Both. I was following your exchange on the previous 2 pages. Should have quoted a more recent response you made to him

  3. #25883
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    They should revamp both Eversong Woods and the Ghostlands, and then turn the Ghostlands into the Void Elf capital. If the factions are working together now with crossfaction, I don't think this would be unreasonable. Maybe post-WotLK Deathholme has been destroyed (since the Ghostlands are locked in the TBC era, predating the fall of the Lich King) and the Void Elves go in there, demolish the ruins, and build their new capital there. It would be especially fitting since it was the seat of Dar'Khan Drathir, who the Void Elves were researching before they got subjected to the void ritual (because Dar'Khan Drathir knew things about the void).
    I agree with this, however it must also be remarked that Telogrus Rift isn't their base of operations solely out of convenience, but also because it contains incredible Void knowledge, as noted by Locus-Walker himself. Between Telogrus Rift and Ghostlands, it's hard to decide which would fit more as a base of operations for the Ren'dorei.

    We also come close to an expansion about the Void Lords, in which case Telogrus Rift would serve as a perfect staging ground into the Void, since it is tethering on the brink of the Void.

  4. #25884
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    I agree with this, however it must also be remarked that Telogrus Rift isn't their base of operations solely out of convenience, but also because it contains incredible Void knowledge, as noted by Locus-Walker himself. Between Telogrus Rift and Ghostlands, it's hard to decide which would fit more as a base of operations for the Ren'dorei.

    We also come close to an expansion about the Void Lords, in which case Telogrus Rift would serve as a perfect staging ground into the Void, since it is tethering on the brink of the Void.
    I could see Telogrus becoming like the void equivalent of the Sunwell and a Ghostlands capital as the void equivalent of Silvermoon City.

  5. #25885
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    I could see Telogrus becoming like the void equivalent of the Sunwell and a Ghostlands capital as the void equivalent of Silvermoon City.
    Interesting, to be honest, with how much elves love their founts of magic, I think it's only a matter of time before the Ren'dorei try to create their own "Sunwell". Such a creation could serve to augment their Void powers, or it could simply be a display of pride and ambition.

  6. #25886
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Interesting, to be honest, with how much elves love their founts of magic, I think it's only a matter of time before the Ren'dorei try to create their own "Sunwell". Such a creation could serve to augment their Void powers, or it could simply be a display of pride and ambition.
    A Voidwell, Shadowwell, or maybe even Starwell (like starcursed) would be pretty cool. Moonwell is of course taken already by Night Elves.

  7. #25887
    This thread is a LEGEND!

    Love you all!

  8. #25888
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    A Voidwell, Shadowwell, or maybe even Starwell (like starcursed) would be pretty cool. Moonwell is of course taken already by Night Elves.
    Ah Yes, this brings back to the discussions about how the Moon Well of the Night Warrior gave huge Void vibes, and how Elune could be linked to the Void:


  9. #25889
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Ah Yes, this brings back to the discussions about how the Moon Well of the Night Warrior gave huge Void vibes, and how Elune could be linked to the Void:

    Oh yea! That moonwell looks very void-elfish to me. It even has the little stars in it.

    If Elune was some sort of head Naaru or the creator of the Naaru, I could see a sort of two poles of Elune thing going on. Especially when the Naaru can shift into the void and become Void Lords.

  10. #25890
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Ok?

    Not sure why I needed to see this. High elves are an allied race, can have a small base in Stormwind / Hinterlands and then get ported over to Chromie to start questing...? At the end of the day, the core race is the one with the starter zone, so high elves wouldn't get that. They'd just get an intro quest and get ported to Stormwind, like the other allied races.
    Blood Elves have Quel'Thalas since they are the core race.
    There isn't any real correlation to lean on, there...

    Kul Tirans, Mechagnomes, Zandalari, Highmountain Tauren, and Nightborne all have in-game cities (even if they're not fully-functioning).

  11. #25891
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyersing View Post
    There isn't any real correlation to lean on, there...

    Kul Tirans, Mechagnomes, Zandalari, Highmountain Tauren, and Nightborne all have in-game cities (even if they're not fully-functioning).
    None of them have those cities/zones are quest areas and starter zones.
    That is the difference between the allied races and the core races.

    You have 1 quest from the leader, where you go to the main city hub and turn said quest in.

    That is all I'd expect from a high elf allied race.

    Probably Hinterlands or Crystalsong Forest where they meet Vereesa and a high elf mage npc who then teleports the player to Stormwind.

  12. #25892
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    How is this thread still a thing?

    *WHY* is this thread still a thing?
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    You have blonde haired blue eyed white skinned Elves available to both Horde and Alliance
    On the one hand I am agreeing with everything you say... on the other hand you're panda scum and must be purged!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom letting Blood elves to be part of it.

    Quel'Thalas has - and will have - to do the same.

    As an Alliance Thalassian, I have every right to return to Silvermoon, my homeland.
    Dalaran has historically ALWAYS had representatives of Silvermoon present. Silvermoon already has High elves present in the kingdom.

    You get your filthy, void twisted mits away from what is supposed to be my fel-corrupted paradise Alliance SCUM!!!



    Quote Originally Posted by Lionhearte0 View Post
    cool story bro

    can alliance get white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed elves that dont turn into a purple lava lamp every 10 seconds in combat?
    No.


    Also... you void elf fans should just be happy you even exist... don't start asking for your own well. PESTS! THE LOT OF YOU!

  13. #25893
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    That doesnt mean Jack. You should know by now that things can change. High elves can be involved, take over the whole place, or it can be destroyed like Theramore and Teldrassil.

    Doesnt matter how hard Liadri fought, or that it was saved from the scourge.. that's all part 9f the story and past story doesnt prevent future story.

    Ask the night elves of Teldrassil and Suramar. In fact ask the high elves of Wc2 and RoC WC3.

    High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Dalaran is an Alliance kingdom letting Blood elves to be part of it.

    Quel'Thalas has - and will have - to do the same.

    As an Alliance Thalassian, I have every right to return to Silvermoon, my homeland.
    Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    You're naive if you can't see that this is Blizzard's way of answering the complaints and get rid of Anduin once and for all.

    Turalyon and Alleria now lead the Alliance.
    I only follow the canon and in the canon anduin is on vacation and is still the king. turalyon is only regent.

  14. #25894
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Ok?

    Not sure why I needed to see this. High elves are an allied race, can have a small base in Stormwind / Hinterlands and then get ported over to Chromie to start questing...? At the end of the day, the core race is the one with the starter zone, so high elves wouldn't get that. They'd just get an intro quest and get ported to Stormwind, like the other allied races.
    Blood Elves have Quel'Thalas since they are the core race.
    If they give us Darkfallen Elves you could say the same thing: High Elves are the main race, they're just divided into three subraces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Dalaran joined the Alliance after the purge of Dalaran and never left it.

    The Council of six which rules Dalaran is full of Alliance members. It was later confirmed by Blizzard.
    eh, I'd consider that ineffective immediately the moment Jaina left Dalaran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efcharisto View Post
    Dalaran has historically ALWAYS had representatives of Silvermoon present. Silvermoon already has High elves present in the kingdom.
    that had the same energy of Taiwanese still wanting to reclaim Mongolia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efcharisto View Post
    don't start asking for your own well
    considering the Night Warrior's starry theme, Alleria can get some correlation with Tyrande; perhaps Bashal'aran and then Telogrus could have the "Void Wells" that function like Moon Wells but for Void Elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Of course. The Ren'dorei have shown to be very methodical in their approach. Not evil, mind you, but they will not shy away from using certain methods if it gets them what they want. Like when they raised Zandalari bones using the Void magic, which they used consequently to terrify and break the morale of the Zandalari defenders.
    I still consider their biological + psychological terrorism with that and then sending Hordes and Zandalari ambassadors in void portals as evil
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  16. #25896
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    They also all love nature, again some groups moreso than others, i mean if you had to live off nature because you were too scared to use your arcane magic, you likely have a deeper appreciation than your kin who did not, still, it is intrinsic in all elves as the night elf origin shows the race quite philic towards nature which attracts Cenarius' attention. The deviations occur much later on, so the intrinsic nature love is in all - and there is evidence to show in each variation.
    Do Void elves love nature?

    The current situation is political and ideological differences far more so than biological. Yes there are biological differences but very minor, they all have teh same lanky lean build, the same beauty focused appearance, same high intelligence and behaviourally and attitude wise they are also pretty much the same. What they choose to do and focus on is what varies - and is more based on school some focus on nature magic intesley, some on Elune, some on the Light, some on arcane magic, some on fel magic, some on forestry, hunting and tracking, some on fire magic, some on blood magic some on void magic .. You could merge them all into one and split them by school or profession instead - you wouldn't know the difference if it wasn't for their colouring.
    This is a bit extreme. We're not talking about your philosphical view on them. We're talking gameplay-wise. If Highborne already share the name Quel'dorei with High elves, they can't become playable on their own. That's why they became customizations for Night elves and Blood/Void elves. One through the Mage class in Cataclysm, the other through customization options in Shadowlands.

    At this point int he game, you are picking elves based on who their firends are and what thier magic vibe is. Want nature and stars & moon arcane stuff , pick night elves. Want void and human interaction pick void elves. Want the high elf vibe but with scary horde friends, gold, light and native northern european like appearances with fire and arcane magic - pick Blood elves.. wan tthe arcane focus of the kaldorei empire but with blood elf friendship - pick nightborne.
    They are different races, if you like them or not.
    You know, there can be different variations of the same race group. There's nothing wrong with that.

  17. #25897
    Return to Azeroth. Return to High Elves and Ogres. Its gunna be two Azeroth only races and a throwback to Cataclysm where two old horde and alliance allies are finally recognized and playable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    Return to Azeroth. Return to High Elves and Ogres. Its gunna be two Azeroth only races and a throwback to Cataclysm where two old horde and alliance allies are finally recognized and playable.
    don't forget Alteraci Humans for the Horde
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  19. #25899
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.
    That's not the point I'm making

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    If they give us Darkfallen Elves you could say the same thing: High Elves are the main race, they're just divided into three subraces.
    @Tanaria - Ersula is correct, High elf is the name of the race - the factions are blood elf, high elf (same race) and void elf - other factions like San'layn/Darkfallen exist, and who knows what happened to the Wretched. There are several factions of high elves too as you well know.. but with Alleria's return and the ren'dorei going alliance, it is possible they have rallied to her - but we haven't been told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Do Void elves love nature?
    I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

    Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

    We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

    We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.



    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post

    This is a bit extreme. We're not talking about your philosphical view on them. We're talking gameplay-wise. If Highborne already share the name Quel'dorei with High elves, they can't become playable on their own.
    Highborne and High elf are different names. Doesn't matter if it is the same word in two different languages, Highborne is Quel'dorei in Darnassian, and high elf is Quel'dorei in Thalassian. There is a connection, but a night elven Highborne is clearly different from a high elf, they are different ethnicities now, live in different societies, have different religions despite their arcane focus, they even have different habits - one is nocturnal the other diurnal, they live in different societies, and the age gap is enormous..one comes from a different time of the elves, the other comes from a different kingdom of the elves.

    They have a heritage connection as high elves are descendants of a very famous group of Highborne called the Sunstrider Highborne - the only palace Highborne in Zin'Azshari to rebel against the queen and join the resistance under Tyrande's leadership, and later expelled for refusing to keep the restrictions the elves and dragons had agreed on the use of the arcane in order to prevent the Legion from returning. You know the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    That's why they became customizations for Night elves and Blood/Void elves. One through the Mage class in Cataclysm, the other through customization options in Shadowlands.
    True while in a sense you can have or pay high elf and Highborne through customisations for both night elves and void/blood elves - I wouldn't be surprised if they became a distinct faction themselves when blizzard finally properly reads the room and decides it is advantageous to promote high elves. I know some think it is superfluous at this point since they did void elves - but really they haven't properly delved into void elves yet, and the lore is very thin, they can still easily separate the two as much as consolidate them. Which will they choose? I think the fans would determine that.. it is why people like Tanaria re so hellbent on attacking even a hint or suggestion that might lead to more high elf involvement on forums they patrol diligently for comments on elves in the hope of manipulating opinion and influencing fans, and hopefully controlling what the developers see. Waste of time if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    They are different races, if you like them or not.
    You know, there can be different variations of the same race group. There's nothing wrong with that.
    Off course, there can be variations of the same race group - that's why we got allied races, and that variation started long before allied races too. in the main race group, are not worgen and forsaken a variation of human and blood elf a variation of night elf? some wouldsay GNomes are a variation of dwarves to - although I wouldn't go that far, cousins, yes.

  20. #25900
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

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    Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

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    I only follow the canon and in the canon anduin is on vacation and is still the king. turalyon is only regent.
    No, the throne is in Turalyon's hands, as explicitly stated by Greymane.

    Why do you want to die on this hill? You know you'll be proven wrong right?

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