Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Vaedan]

So now the Alliance also has dark rangers in Lore ??

Night elf dark rangers at least. At the end of Lordaeron questline, Velonara said all night elves who want to rejoin their kin are allowed to do so. Void elf dark rangers has not been adressed.

[Varodoc]

So now the Alliance also has dark rangers in Lore ??

Yes.

Much like Silvermoon scholars did in the past, a group of Darkfallen have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei and thus Alleria Windrunner can use them in the future.

[Ardenaso]

It ruins nothing. Dark Rangers has been with the Horde for years. Questline also implies that Darkfallen (a term used by Velonara to define undead elves) are rather part of Forsaken society, with Velonara herself being member of new Desolate Council. This customizations means that Blizzard took the easiest way to put that fantasy playable. By doing so, they opened possibilities for not just Dark Rangers, but also Darkfallen mages, rogues, warriors, etc. I predicted that this is possibility and here we are... and people seem to like it.

I think he means that Dark Rangers and Sanlayn should've been a race toggle for Forsaken and I also have that sentiment

[Vaedan]

I think he means that Dark Rangers and Sanlayn should've been a race toggle for Forsaken and I also have that sentiment

Yes, but that would not be solution for night/void elves, who got that customizations too... It is a gameplay solution of Darkfallen elves being playable. There were other options, like their own core race, allied race, class or character customizations. I'd prefer allied race myself, but as I said, Blizzard took the road of least effort and I kind of expected that. I'd change only one thing and that would be locking this customizations for paladins too, as it is locked for DKs and DHs.

It change no blood elf lore however, since Darkfallen are clearly part of Forsaken, confirmed by Velonara being one of the new Desolate Council.

[Rhlor]

It ruins nothing. Dark Rangers has been with the Horde for years. Questline also implies that Darkfallen (a term used by Velonara to define undead elves) are rather part of Forsaken society, with Velonara herself being member of new Desolate Council. This customizations means that Blizzard took the easiest way to put that fantasy playable. By doing so, they opened possibilities for not just Dark Rangers, but also Darkfallen mages, rogues, warriors, etc. I predicted that this is possibility and here we are... and people seem to like it.

she says that they are rejected by quelthalas which is totally logical because quelthalas is a society of survivors of a zombie apocalypse who are constantly irradiated by light. the essence of the blood elves is survival and rebuilding quelthalas. An undead living in Lordaeron is not a blood elf. That's why it's wrong to have this customization!! if i play with a darkfallen character that starts in quelthalas the lore loses meaning

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I think he means that Dark Rangers and Sanlayn should've been a race toggle for Forsaken and I also have that sentiment

this. the darkfallen are forsaken and must live with the forsaken in lordaeron and be forsaken customization. the forsaken lore is the one that has the darkfallen as part of their society not the blood elf lore. now the blood elf have undead paladin it doesn't make sense!!

[Kyriani]

Night elf dark rangers at least. At the end of Lordaeron questline, Velonara said all night elves who want to rejoin their kin are allowed to do so. Void elf dark rangers has not been adressed.

The only explanation I see is that either some off screen void elves died at darkshore and were raised, or that some dark rangers decided to defect to the alliance and joined Alleria becoming void elves. Either way, it would have helped if there was any sort of indication of such instead of just saying "here ya go void elves! have some more customization! don't worry about explaining why!"

[Gaidax]

Void Elves were likely done as a perk for the players.

The back story for this each and every player can make on their own. It's how we RP since time immemorial really, nothing new.

I imagine there is other reason for DK/DH omittance, probably there was some sort of technological reason there. For example DH have no "Eyes" as option at all and DK only 2 options to begin with. It could be there was some issue there that would take too long to resolve if at all possible at the time.

[Kyriani]

Void Elves were likely done as a perk for the players.

The back story for this each and every player can make on their own. It's how we RP since time immemorial really, nothing new.

I imagine there is other reason for DK/DH omittance, probably there was some sort of technological reason there. For example DH have no "Eyes" as option at all and DK only 2 options to begin with. It could be there was some issue there that would take too long to resolve if at all possible at the time.

I'd really like to see DK's get eye color options. It would be cool to have an assortment of colors based on the magic they use.

[Luck4]

I know it doesn't make much sense, but it's still insane how good the Darkfallen skin looks with VE hairstyles.

I think they deliver the Vampire vibe way better than the High Elf vibe, and I think it's really funny because the other way around would make more sense.

I mean...

[Vaedan]

The only explanation I see is that either some off screen void elves died at darkshore and were raised, or that some dark rangers decided to defect to the alliance and joined Alleria becoming void elves. Either way, it would have helped if there was any sort of indication of such instead of just saying "here ya go void elves! have some more customization! don't worry about explaining why!"

We've seen undead toying with the Void, so that might be the case, but sure, it'd be nice to see have one line to explain them. Not that void elves desperately need new lore anyway.

[Gaidax]

I know it doesn't make much sense, but it's still insane how good the Darkfallen skin looks with VE hairstyles.

I think they deliver the Vampire vibe way better than the High Elf vibe, and I think it's really funny because the other way around would make more sense.

I mean...

As a Darkfallen Velf you can edgelord all day long...



You even have a matching skull pal.

[Vaedan]

As a Darkfallen Velf you can edgelord all day long...



You even have a matching skull pal.

Honestly, that looks most impressive. I switched my rogue to Nightfallen velf and blood elf warlock too.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Yes.

Much like Silvermoon scholars did in the past, a group of Darkfallen have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei and thus Alleria Windrunner can use them in the future.

Funny how you forget that there are also darkfallen night elves, which you seem to forget. If it's not related to void elves or alleria, it's less important

[Varodoc]

Funny how you forget that there are also darkfallen night elves, which you seem to forget. If it's not related to void elves or alleria, it's less important

I did not forget them. They are simply not even worth mentioning, because they are indeed less important.

Darkfallen Night elves don't give anything to the Alliance aside from expendable manpower.

Darkfallen Forsaken, on top of expendable manpower, give the Alliance an additional claim to Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas, the lands these Darkfallen died to protect from the Scourge.

[Vaedan]

I did not forget them. They are simply not even worth mentioning, because they are indeed less important.

Darkfallen Night elves don't give anything to the Alliance aside from expendable manpower.

Darkfallen Forsaken, on top of expendable manpower, give the Alliance an additional claim to Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas, the lands these Darkfallen died to protect from the Scourge.

What claim are you mentioning? These Darkfallen are just soldiers, there is no important person among them, who could have any legitimate claim on these lands. Let's say, if they brought back Anasterian back as Darkfallen, then your argument might have some relevance, but saying that no name undead rangers have claim on Quel'thalas is quite stretched.

Night elf Darkfallen are at least officialy recognized as group by Velonara. Same can't be said for Void elf Darkfallen.

[Varodoc]

What claim are you mentioning? These Darkfallen are just soldiers, there is no important person among them, who could have any legitimate claim on these lands. Let's say, if they brought back Anasterian back as Darkfallen, then your argument might have some relevance, but saying that no name undead rangers have claim on Quel'thalas is quite stretched.

Night elf Darkfallen are at least officialy recognized as group by Velonara. Same can't be said for Void elf Darkfallen.

That's not how this works.

Now, if anyone tells the Alliance that they have no right to Lordaeron, they can just say that they have Forsaken in their ranks who are entitled to return to the land they died for. Thus, the flawed logic the Horde employed for years is twisted and turned against them.

You only need an important person if you want a claim to the throne, not to the entire country.

[Vaedan]

That's not how this works.

Now, if anyone tells the Alliance that they have no right to Lordaeron, they can just say that they have Forsaken in their ranks who are entitled to return to the land they died for. Thus, the flawed logic the Horde employed for years is twisted and turned against them.

You only need an important person if you want a claim to the throne, not to the entire country.

Sylvanas conquered Undercity from Scourge, which granted her legitimate claim over Lordaeron. That means Sylvanas, and Forsaken, had claims to Lordaeron by conquest. There was no other person who could object at the time.

Void elf Darkfallen are not in this position. First of all, when they fought to claim Lordaeron, it was under Sylvanas' banner possibly. The moment they were exiled from the Horde, they lost all priviledges Horde could give them.

To challenge the rights to the throne, you need important person, as you say. Void elf Darkfallen currently have no important person in their ranks. They don't even have single NPC to represent them. In game, they are non existent group with no mention, aside for character customization.

That means Alliance have no real claim on Lordaeron through ren'dorei darkfallen.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Sylvanas conquered Undercity from Scourge, which granted her legitimate claim over Lordaeron. That means Sylvanas, and Forsaken, had claims to Lordaeron by conquest. There was no other person who could object at the time.

Void elf Darkfallen are not in this position. First of all, when they fought to claim Lordaeron, it was under Sylvanas' banner possibly. The moment they were exiled from the Horde, they lost all priviledges Horde could give them.

To challenge the rights to the throne, you need important person, as you say. Void elf Darkfallen currently have no important person in their ranks. They don't even have single NPC to represent them. In game, they are non existent group with no mention, aside for character customization.

That means Alliance have no real claim on Lordaeron through ren'dorei darkfallen.

Yeah!

PLUS... although Quel'Thalas was part of the Alliance of Lordaeron, it wasn't part of the KINGDOM of Lordaeron.
Elves from Quel'Thalas don't have the right to Lordaeron because they used to be in an alliance with them. That would mean the Night Elves have right to Ironforge if it ever gets taken by the Horde.

[Varodoc]

Sylvanas conquered Undercity from Scourge, which granted her legitimate claim over Lordaeron. That means Sylvanas, and Forsaken, had claims to Lordaeron by conquest. There was no other person who could object at the time.

Void elf Darkfallen are not in this position. First of all, when they fought to claim Lordaeron, it was under Sylvanas' banner possibly. The moment they were exiled from the Horde, they lost all priviledges Horde could give them.

To challenge the rights to the throne, you need important person, as you say. Void elf Darkfallen currently have no important person in their ranks. They don't even have single NPC to represent them. In game, they are non existent group with no mention, aside for character customization.

That means Alliance have no real claim on Lordaeron through ren'dorei darkfallen.

No, Sylvanas stated that the Forsaken had a claim on Lordaeron by virtue of being its original defenders, who died protecting that land.

Void elf Darkfallen are Forsaken, thus according to Sylvanas they have the same claim to Lordaeron as the Horde Forsaken.

It's all pretty straightforward really.

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Yeah!

PLUS... although Quel'Thalas was part of the Alliance of Lordaeron, it wasn't part of the KINGDOM of Lordaeron.
Elves from Quel'Thalas don't have the right to Lordaeron because they used to be in an alliance with them. That would mean the Night Elves have right to Ironforge if it ever gets taken by the Horde.

Aside from the fact that many elves lived and died in Lordaeron, since Anasterian sent formal aid to Lordaeron and there were certainly many elves living in other countries, so you can easily roleplay the dark ranger as an elf who lived and died in Lordaeron; Sylvanas did not exclude the Dark Rangers when she said that the Forsaken have a claim to Lordaeron. Thus, all Forsaken have a claim to Lordaeron, not just Undead Humans. And thereby, all Dark Rangers have a claim to Lordaeron, just like Undead humans.

[Vaedan]

No, Sylvanas stated that the Forsaken had a claim on Lordaeron by virtue of being its original defenders, who died protecting that land.

Void elf Darkfallen are Forsaken, thus according to Sylvanas they have the same claim to Lordaeron as the Horde Forsaken.

It's all pretty straightforward really.

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Aside from the fact that many elves lived and died in Lordaeron, since Anasterian sent formal aid to Lordaeron and there were certainly many elves living in other countries, so you can easily roleplay the dark ranger as an elf who lived and died in Lordaeron; Sylvanas did not exclude the Dark Rangers when she said that the Forsaken have a claim to Lordaeron. Thus, all Forsaken have a claim to Lordaeron, not just Undead Humans. And thereby, all Dark Rangers have a claim to Lordaeron, just like Undead humans.

You still miss the part that claim is applied to the Forsaken faction, who are Horde aligned undead. The moment these Undead leave Forsaken to join other faction (Priest Conclave, Argent Crusade or Alliance), they lose all rights and priviledges tied to the faction they are leaving.

If you want to claim a some lands, you still need a person to rally behind. Alliance Darkfallen have no such person. You know, if you would justify Alliance claims by Turalyon, a War hero who is from Lordaeron and is now Stormwind regent, we can have some discussion. No name Darkfallen elves provide no such opportunity.