1. #25901
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    As I have pointed out already, that explanation lacks the nuance. Uther's words:




    The point has to be stressed that one part of Sylvanas isn't intrinsically good and the other evil. That it's about the choices she made




    That comparison fails because Sylvanas wasn't mind controlled as Bucky was during his tenure as the WS -better said, she isn't being made responsible for the actions she did while MC's, but all she did after-

    "Ranger General Sylvanas" doesn't really exists -or appears to exist- as an entity on her own, she's a manifestation of a frame of mind, that going by Uther's description, already got merged into the main Sylvanas. Metaphysically, all that meant for Sylvanas was to have a forced reconciliation with what she used to be. It doesn't change Sylvanas in any metaphysical way that makes her less guilty, it's psychological.

    I don't discount that her reframed mind would be used as an argument as to why kill her would be bad, that's not the point. My point is that metaphysically speaking, Ranger Sylvanas already doesn't exist anymore, as she only ever arguably did when Sylvanas mind was unable to reconcile those two aspect of herself.





    See, it's the metaphysical aspect of it all that we aren't agreeing with here. I don't think "guilty sylvanas is no more" take is accurate at all, Uther didn't cease to exist as he was when he was given his missing soul fragment back, it was never treated like him becoming a new person, the narrative treats is as a psychological reckoning, not the merging of two entities creating a new one.
    Oh, I should have read more carefully, it is different than i thought.

  2. #25902



    Some new HE content for the year, still holding the torch for braids!

    Also NGL, the expansion leak season got me wondering again if we will see more VE customizations on 10.0

  3. #25903
    I'm new here but 25,940 posts of High Elf discussion will keep my busy for a while.

  4. #25904
    Quote Originally Posted by The Polish Hammer View Post
    I'm new here but 25,940 posts of High Elf discussion will keep my busy for a while.
    lmao enjoy!

  5. #25905
    Still no really attractive option for Alliance Paladins, just different shapes of hulky ass races. :/

    Only reason I'd want something like High Elf Paladin is just to have something resembling closer to a normal human, since the default WoW humans look too steroid abusing and I enjoy my Orc Shaman well enough when I have a mood to play something like that.

  6. #25906
    Quote Originally Posted by The Polish Hammer View Post
    I'm new here but 25,940 posts of High Elf discussion will keep my busy for a while.
    Techno-archaeologists in the year 3030 are going to be so sad for us.

  7. #25907
    Can't wait to dig in.

  8. #25908
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post



    Some new HE content for the year, still holding the torch for braids!

    Also NGL, the expansion leak season got me wondering again if we will see more VE customizations on 10.0
    Looks gorgeous!

  9. #25909
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Looks gorgeous!
    Honestly still wishing the braid toggle becomes a reality hehe! While I think we really do finally have the HE aesthetic, it's still all reused assets, and I'd appreciate to the moon and back something that was developed with HE players in mind first :3

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    And some more, done with the in game model for better lightning!

  10. #25910
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Honestly still wishing the braid toggle becomes a reality hehe! While I think we really do finally have the HE aesthetic, it's still all reused assets, and I'd appreciate to the moon and back something that was developed with HE players in mind first :3
    More options are always welcome. I hope that 10.0 brings a plethora of new options for every race. What I'd really like to see most for Void Elves is more hairstyles. Beyond that, tattoos, eyebrow sizes, and jewelry for both sexes would be nice as well.

  11. #25911
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    More options are always welcome. I hope that 10.0 brings a plethora of new options for every race. What I'd really like to see most for Void Elves is more hairstyles. Beyond that, tattoos, eyebrow sizes, and jewelry for both sexes would be nice as well.
    I genuinely believe new Hair Styles are in the horizon (10.0), on the same level of quality we saw LFD and NB received in 9.1.5. Jewelry and eyebrow size seem like very likely, most def another category, which one I'm, not sure.

    I hope we get warpaint, and I really think it would be neat if it was something that was shared with BE, cause they do need some TLC regarding more options as well.

  12. #25912
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    I genuinely believe new Hair Styles are in the horizon (10.0), on the same level of quality we saw LFD and NB received in 9.1.5. Jewelry and eyebrow size seem like very likely, most def another category, which one I'm, not sure.

    I hope we get warpaint, and I really think it would be neat if it was something that was shared with BE, cause they do need some TLC regarding more options as well.
    Agreed. Blood Elves really did get the short end of the stick when it came to their customization pass IMO.

  13. #25913
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post



    Some new HE content for the year, still holding the torch for braids!

    Also NGL, the expansion leak season got me wondering again if we will see more VE customizations on 10.0
    I was thinking a cool High Elf replacement option for Entropic Embrace would be to have Alleria-style tattoos like these that light up and start glowing instead of the void animation.

  14. #25914
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    I was thinking a cool High Elf replacement option for Entropic Embrace would be to have Alleria-style tattoos like these that light up and start glowing instead of the void animation.
    Oh that WOULD be cool! If EE made your tattoos glow, it would be PRETTY awesome. It would require some effort, because right now EE basically just loads a default dark blue texture that has no customization (if you paint attention, you'll realize your face becomes a generic one during EE) so the effect would have to be reworked so it loads a different set of tattoos/warpaints based on your choice. It could be done I think, but seems like more effort than they are willing to put tbh.

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    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    Found my old tentacles into braids model edit, and decided to test some jewelry colors on it.

  17. #25917
    I think i know why High elves and Highborne didn't become playable as we know them.

    Both the High elves and Highborne are called Quel'dorei:
    "The high elves, or quel'dorei ("children of noble birth" in Darnassian and Thalassian), are a race descended from the night elf Highborne who left Kalimdor and settled in the Eastern Kingdoms, founding Quel'Thalas."

    "The Highborne (or quel'dorei, meaning "children of noble birth" in Darnassian), were the upper class and a sect of the ancient night elf civilization composed of the favored servitors of Queen Azshara."

    Therefore, the High elves needed to be separated into "Sin'dorei" (Blood elves) and "Ren'dorei" (Void elves) while the Highborne were separated into "Shal'dorei" (Nightborne) and "Kaldorei" (Night elf mages).

  18. #25918
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    I think i know why High elves and Highborne didn't become playable as we know them.

    Both the High elves and Highborne are called Quel'dorei:
    "The high elves, or quel'dorei ("children of noble birth" in Darnassian and Thalassian), are a race descended from the night elf Highborne who left Kalimdor and settled in the Eastern Kingdoms, founding Quel'Thalas."

    "The Highborne (or quel'dorei, meaning "children of noble birth" in Darnassian), were the upper class and a sect of the ancient night elf civilization composed of the favored servitors of Queen Azshara."

    Therefore, the High elves needed to be separated into "Sin'dorei" (Blood elves) and "Ren'dorei" (Void elves) while the Highborne were separated into "Shal'dorei" (Nightborne) and "Kaldorei" (Night elf mages).
    I doubt matters of nomenclature ever influenced the decision of what ends up becoming a playable race.

    Even so, the fact that time and distance has made the shared "Quel'dorei" be recognized in the present as the very different "Highborne" and "High Elf" already creates differentiation, regardless if they share the same Darnassian origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post


    Found my old tentacles into braids model edit, and decided to test some jewelry colors on it.
    he's really handsome, I wish the Stormwindians were also this handsome

    then you could just give them an extra body build toggle and a new half elf/high elf ear options and voila! Alliance High Elf Paladin that doesn't take away uniqueness form Blood Elves
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  20. #25920
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Even so, the fact that time and distance has made the shared "Quel'dorei" be recognized in the present as the very different "Highborne" and "High Elf" already creates differentiation, regardless if they share the same Darnassian origin.
    How would they be called then, if they were added?

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