Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Villager720]

As for void elf darkfallen, I don't really expect much of them. So far, there is no single NPC to represent the group, they lack any explanation what they could be, so I assume they are included just for player RP agency (in a same way Darkspears have sand troll customizations and yet no sand troll tribe officialy joined the Horde).

Void elven darkfallen were as much of an ass-pull as the rest of the race : they came out of nowhere with zero preamble. So in a semi-laughable way, they're exceptionally thematic.

[Ardenaso]

Sira Moonwarden is the only candidate who can vouch for the kaldorei dark rangers as she is still in Stormwind Stockades, as far as the canon goes.

Void Elf Darkfallen are like Nightborne Darkfallen. They aren't part of the integral story that makes up Void Elves and Nightborne. (Nightborne Death Knights that is.)

this is why Blizzard should implement Nightborne Darkfallen or remove Void Elf Darkfallen !!!

[Alanar]

Sira Moonwarden is the only candidate who can vouch for the kaldorei dark rangers as she is still in Stormwind Stockades, as far as the canon goes.

Void Elf Darkfallen are like Nightborne Darkfallen. They aren't part of the integral story that makes up Void Elves and Nightborne. (Nightborne Death Knights that is.)

Sira to, had the same though about elune leaving her and how the night elves left her. Sure Tyrande walked away without killing her, but she is still there locked up by the alliance. She is tragic in the sense that she had no other place to go.. it will take her more time to let it sink in when she comes out that now suddenly they are accepted by the alliance. Meanwhile at Lorderean keep there are night elves and even Daleryn with the same condition and how they feel. She could use some help honestly. I know just the gal.

I mean sure, she could choose to stay where she is, but what does she have there? when most of her kind clubbed together somewhere else already. Now lets be honest.. this text where they explain how the night elves may choose to leave etc, doesn't this ring any bells for you?
Night elves and void elves(who are alliance obviously) are able to have this costumization. Again this is rp purpose as you can't roll an actual forsaken with the blood or night elf model. The whole thing is just how you want it to be rp wise, your own interpetation.

[Varodoc]

Forsaken is a faction not a race. the race in any case would be undead/darkfallen.
if you are loyal to the government of lordaeron in this case the desolate council then you are a forsaken if you are loyal to another faction you are only an undead loyal to that faction an undead void elf in this case

You're completely wrong. Alonsus Faol is stated to be a Forsaken despite being neutral.

Blizzard agrees with me and not with you.

[Tanaria]

this is why Blizzard should implement Nightborne Darkfallen or remove Void Elf Darkfallen !!!

Well they do exist through their Death Knights so neither Nightborne nor Void Elf Darkfallen will be going anywhere, any time soon.

"Darkfallen" is the name for ALL undead elves. That does include the Death Knights.

- - - Updated - - -

I agree. Dark ranger archetype is not really a thing, and does not need to be. Void elves have their own potential, there is no need to further overlap them with blood elves. I don't actually mind these customizations, but they were not really necessary and honestly, I'd prefer something unique for void elves, but here we are.

BTW I changed my blood elf warlock to a darkfallen and she looks great

Both allied elven races don't need to have such big influences when it comes to the whole "Darkfallen" thing.

They can both be Death Knights and I reckon that will be their "major" thing, when it comes to undead void elves and undead nightborne. (Not saying it will be big either.)

I have a Blood Elf Warlock who I changed to a San'layn and she looks really cool. For her transmog, I went with a combination of the ICC Mage gear and the HFC Warlock gear and got a perfect blend of elf, undead and "magistrix."

- - - Updated - - -

Sira to, had the same though about elune leaving her and how the night elves left her. Sure Tyrande walked away without killing her, but she is still there locked up by the alliance. She is tragic in the sense that she had no other place to go.. it will take her more time to let it sink in when she comes out that now suddenly they are accepted by the alliance. Meanwhile at Lorderean keep there are night elves and even Daleryn with the same condition and how they feel. She could use some help honestly. I know just the gal.

I mean sure, she could choose to stay where she is, but what does she have there? when most of her kind clubbed together somewhere else already. Now lets be honest.. this text where they explain how the night elves may choose to leave etc, doesn't this ring any bells for you?
It's actually an extra explanation to why night elves (who are alliance obviously) are able to have this costumization. Again this is rp purpose as you can't roll an actual forsaken with the blood or night elf model. The whole thing is just how you want it to be rp wise, your own interpetation.

It is just an idea as we know that Delaryn isn't moving to the Alliance anytime soon.

Sira is the only Darkfallen named elf who is currently in Alliance custody. Unless Calia, Delaryn, Belmont and Velonara request her release

[Alanar]

It is just an idea as we know that Delaryn isn't moving to the Alliance anytime soon.

Sira is the only Darkfallen named elf who is currently in Alliance custody. Unless Calia, Delaryn, Belmont and Velonara request her release

Yea I know, but still the other side seems more obvious still, with what we know already. But anything could happen, true.

[Rhlor]

Forsaken is not and has never been a "political faction".

Even in WotLK, Putress referred to himself and his followers as "Forsaken", despite the fact that they betrayed Sylvanas to join the Legion.

pretending to take control of the Forsken Facion. It was a civil war, the horde as a facion in the civil war was divided between rebels and loyalists but in the end they were all Horde. When Sylvanas and her most loyal followers left the horde ceased to be part of the Horda Facion. Other loyalists like Velonara remained as part of the horde when the civil war ended.

- - - Updated - - -

You're completely wrong. Alonsus Faol is stated to be a Forsaken despite being neutral.

Blizzard agrees with me and not with you.

Do you mean the same that is in Lordaeron with the other Forsken?

[Alanar]

You're completely wrong. Alonsus Faol is stated to be a Forsaken despite being neutral.

Blizzard agrees with me and not with you.

Wrong as usual, it's both, but it's also just a general word for them as a whole, they repressent multiple undead. Including Darkfallen, abominations and now also lightforged. Didint you play the 9.2.5 questline yet? it doubles down on that.

ps: psst Alonsus is actually in Lorderean keep.

[Ardenaso]

the only thing I can think of rationalizing Void Elf Darkfallen is when some Void Elves died like on that suicide rush in Nazmir and got resurrected by the Val'kyr and then sought refuge and custody with Thassarian and the Alliance Death Knights

[Varodoc]

pretending to take control of the Forsken Facion. It was a civil war, the horde as a facion in the civil war was divided between rebels and loyalists but in the end they were all Horde. When Sylvanas and her most loyal followers left the horde ceased to be part of the Horda Facion. Other loyalists like Velonara remained as part of the horde when the civil war ended.

- - - Updated - - -



Do you mean the same that is in Lordaeron with the other Forsken?

No, I mean the one who, at the time, was part of the neutral Covenant, and not the Horde.

[Tanaria]

the only thing I can think of rationalizing Void Elf Darkfallen is when some Void Elves died like on that suicide rush in Nazmir and got resurrected by the Val'kyr and then sought refuge and custody with Thassarian and the Alliance Death Knights

Weren't most of them Mages and Arcanists though?

I mean, we can obviously have Darkfallen Magi, but Dark Rangers were meant to be some sort of Elf Ranger or Elf Sentinel in life.

[Alanar]

No, I mean the one who, at the time, was part of the neutral Covenant, and not the Horde.

What a bad attempt, why even bother mention hes pre 9.2.5 state, when u were clearly just talking about him.

You are just wrong on pretty much everything what was said here, stop trying to push your agenda here. You are stepping on feet for no reason.



Ps; I know you fake ignore me, but you are just.. sucking all the air out of the room all the time, it's really annoying.

[Tanaria]

What a bad attempt, why even bother mention hes pre 9.2.5 state, when u were clearly just talking about him.

You are just wrong on pretty much everything what was said here, stop trying to push your agenda here. You are stepping on feet for no reason.

If Vaeden, a researched void elf fan, says their is nothing to these features than just cosmetic, for Void Elves, then I will take his word.

You and I, both Nightborne fans would say the same thing about Nightborne Darkfallen (yes, I will say that because not even Nightborne nor Void Elf Death Knights are integral to the story.)

[Villager720]

What a bad attempt, why even bother mention hes pre 9.2.5 state, when u were clearly just talking about him.

You are just wrong on pretty much everything what was said here, stop trying to push your agenda here. You are stepping on feet for no reason.



Ps; I know you fake ignore me, but you are just.. sucking all the air out of the room all the time, it's really annoying.

Just ignore them - they're not a rational being, they're a Void Elf LARPer.

[Rhlor]

alonsus in lordaeron alongside the forsakens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slsxZXIAJdw
min 2:26

[Varodoc]

alonsus in lordaeron alongside the forsakens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slsxZXIAJdw
min 2:26

Irrelevant, he was called Forsaken in Before the Storm, when he was still neutral.

[Alanar]

If Vaeden, a researched void elf fan, says their is nothing to these features than just cosmetic, for Void Elves, then I will take his word.

You and I, both Nightborne fans would say the same thing about Nightborne Darkfallen (yes, I will say that because not even Nightborne nor Void Elf Death Knights are integral to the story.)

I agree, Il take hes word, but yours as well with Blood elves, Vaeden has proven in many discussions with me, even when I was against him. I know a fair bit of blood elves as they were always my top one, since warcraft3, but it's impossible to remember every single conversation or npc line or area when that fight happened to be exact. So I lack there as I don't care much for the books much.

I think we are on the same line, that we don't want to push our agenda, just because. It should make sense for me, ofc I would like more things, but the example of the Nightborne is good enough. We are fans, but we can still say.. nah they should not be part of this or they weren't there so how would that story be. Which Varadoc lacks as he jumps on every opportunity he gets to spread hes cult like tongue.

[Rhlor]

Irrelevant, he was called Forsaken in Before the Storm, when he was still neutral.

Do you want to discuss details? okay

Do you know where Alonsus lived all these years to legion? In Forsken Territory !!

Some could say that perhaps Sylvanas knew that a civilian named Alonsus a Undead lived in his peaceful in her territory for years.

or an error like when Golden said that Genn had a tail to say on Twitter that she is wrong and that Genn has no tail

- - - Updated - - -

It doesn't need to come to war. It's not unreasonable for Calia to provide refuge to all those who just want to go back to their home. This was the original purpose of the Forsaken, No? To offer a refuge to all those who were still in Lordaeron and freed themselves from the Scourge. Before the original purpose was twisted by Sylvanas and the Janitor into genocide of the living.

But now those two villains are gone, so there's no reason why Lordaeron can't stand as a new beacon of unity, just as Dalaran once did, before the Purge.

Lordaeron is home to any Undead who wants to live there and as a member of the Forsken/Horde. If you instead want to be a member of the alliance you can go and go to live with the alliance that is what Velonora tells us

- - - Updated - - -

this is why Blizzard should implement Nightborne Darkfallen or remove Void Elf Darkfallen !!!

Felborne !! Felborne exist in Lore!

[Ardenaso]

Weren't most of them Mages and Arcanists though?

I mean, we can obviously have Darkfallen Magi, but Dark Rangers were meant to be some sort of Elf Ranger or Elf Sentinel in life.

well yeah that's the closest thing I can think of

maybe perhaps it's not just fellow Farstriders that Sylvanas would have raised but perhaps some of them Priests, Sorceress, Dragonhawk Riders, etc. and just got in the Dark Ranger umbrella faction

[Varodoc]

Do you want to discuss details? okay

It's not a technicality my bro.

It's literally the whole point.

To claim that a Forsaken must be a member of the Horde would be to ignore Alonsus Faol's previous status in BfA.

Do you know where Alonsus lived all these years to legion?

Was he not roaming Tirisfal Glades and the Plaguelands? Those territories were contested between the Forsaken, Scourge, Crusade, and Argent Dawn, so there's really no proof he lived in Forsaken territories, or exclusively there.

Didn't he first appear in a graveyard near the Scarlet monastery? That's not Forsaken territory.

In Legion, he lived in the Naaru temple.

Lordaeron is home to any Undead who wants to live there and as a member of the Forsken/Horde. If you instead want to be a member of the alliance you can go and go to live with the alliance that is what Velonora tells us

Can you link the dialogue?