Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

There are no minor differences in appearance and language between Stormwind Humans and Kul Tirans, what is the difference between Jaina and Anduin? And their culture is extremely similar to Gilneans due to Kul Tiras being a Gilnean colony. All of those groups are still different despite next to no differences, they just established their nationality, were pretty loud about how they wished to be addressed and that was the end of the story.

High Elves and Blood Elves are pretty loud about how they wish to be addressed to. There are NPCs, there are quests, there are novels, etc.

If them telling you how they prefer to be addressed is not enough and the requirement for being a different group is "different appearance, language and culture", well, remember High Elves had blue eyes, Green elves had green eyes (and plenty of them still do), High Elves still speak Thalassian while due to Horde influence Blood Elves had to learn other languages, it would be impossible for them to interact with the Horde otherwise. And i'm pretty sure being part of the savage Horde vs civilized Alliance leads to big cultural differences, Blood Elves have been obsessed with the color red since Frozen Throne, had a history of interactions with fel + killing of magical creatures to survive, tortured and drained a Naaru to be able to become Paladins, participated in events like the Bombing of Theramore, tried to betray their faction during Mist of Pandaria, stood by the Horde as their warchief tried to enslave the Valkyr, stood by the Horde while their warchief genocided the Night Elves, etc. while High Elves stayed in the alliance or were in other parts of the world like in Outland, refused to use fel, participated in the Purge of Dalaran, etc.

There are differences in appearance, culture and language, and funny enough after all those events, their differences are bigger than Night Elves and Nightborne, specially when you can make Night Elves that look more Nightborne than their actual current model allows them to.



What Blizzard employees have to say on their twitter accounts is not part of the lore. Specially considering their history of saying stupid stuff like "If you want pale blonde elves the Horde is waiting for you" and then since they kept losing players they just gave Void Elves options to look identical to the High Elves Ion was so adamant against letting people play in the Alliance.

There is a discussion to be had, the discussion just doesn't have to include any fallacy of appealing to someone's authority. Instead our discussion should include scenarios in game in which a High Elf and Blood Elf outright tell the player "yup we're the same there's no difference between us" which is not a thing that ever happened in the game and even members of other races, like Varian, Jaina, Rhonin, etc referred to them as different groups.

Legion even had this entire cutscene in which Elisande considers High Elves and Blood Elves different groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E

high elves and blood elves are different races.

high elves in horda and alliance

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

ely cannon art director of world of warcraft said that the high elves are a race and that they are playable as customization for the horde and the alliance. therefore if we see elves with blue eyes they are part of the high elves race.
I proposed to create a different thread and a mod told me to use this thread

high elves and blood elves are different races.

high elves in horda and alliance
https://i.imgur.com/PDuf73z.jpg
https://www.wow-freakz.com/img/scree...ead_459018.jpg

Honestly it's kinda wild that we went from the "High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race" as a way to deny the possibility of HE's on the alliance to yo saying "They are different races" now

Biologically they are the same, and I thought that by now we all agreed to that. I thought it was clear that while biologically we call them "High Elves", when we make the distinction between BE and HE it's about their politics, not biology. I can't believe that we have to say this in 2022 but not because an elf has blue eyes is a high elf.

If a blue eyed thalassian elf is on the Horde, it's a Blood Elf when it comes to making the distinction IN UNIVERSE, because we use the terms BE and HE to differentiate the two groups based on ideology and affiliation.

I simply cannot understand why you can't talk about your blue eyed Blood Elf on the Blood Elf thread, when this thread is obviously catered to the alliance affiliated idea of a High Elf.

[Rhlor]

Honestly it's kinda wild that we went from the "High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race" as a way to deny the possibility of HE's on the alliance to yo saying "They are different races" now

Biologically they are the same, and I thought that by now we all agreed to that. I thought it was clear that while biologically we call them "High Elves", when we make the distinction between BE and HE it's about their politics, not biology. I can't believe that we have to say this in 2022 but not because an elf has blue eyes is a high elf.

If a blue eyed thalassian elf is on the Horde, it's a Blood Elf when it comes to making the distinction IN UNIVERSE, because we use the terms BE and HE to differentiate the two groups based on ideology and affiliation.

I simply cannot understand why you can't talk about your blue eyed Blood Elf on the Blood Elf thread, when this thread is obviously catered to the alliance affiliated idea of a High Elf.

because a major developer like the world of warcraft art director said in an interview on wowhead that high elves are a race and that race is different from blood elves and void elves but now they are playable as blood elves and void elves customization .
if you see a thalassian elf with blue eyes that's a high elf.
I post in this thread because a mod told me to.

[Schwert]

Meanwhile, you try to say Void Elves are High Elves anywhere else and you have Blood Elf players flocking to screech that they're not real high elves.

Alliance Thalassian players apparently cannot have public or semi-public spaces dedicated to themselves and discussion catered to them unless it is exclusively void, and even then, it usually results in Blood Elves showing up to throw a temper-tantrum that they exist in the first place and stole from them, leading to a lack of discussion at all or people getting grated and fed up.

[Mace]

because a major developer like the world of warcraft art director said in an interview on wowhead that high elves are a race and that race is different from blood elves and void elves but now they are playable as blood elves and void elves customization .
if you see a thalassian elf with blue eyes that's a high elf.
I post in this thread because a mod told me to.

Technically you can be a blue eyed blood elf or a blue eyed high elf.

You can be whatever is possible in the lore on any faction as long as you have the customisations for it and it exists in the lore.

You no longer require the game to officially label you.

For examples: some high elves are with their kin at the sunwell plateau, they still identify as high elves but are there. Auric Sunchaser is or was one (don’t know if he is still there)

So in theory, though you picked it as a blood elf, you can call it a high elf that lives with the blood elves like Auric use to before Alleria returned

How you want to proceed with that is up to you. Cross factions make this fantasy even more realised in game.

Soon, blizzard would allow you to label some of these options like high elf, wildhammer or Sand troll if you have the correct customisations. Just don’t expect a starter zone. You’d be lucky if character creation lets you make the distinction and luckier if they stick an NPC with a quest or dialog.

The most likely scenario is when you make your toon you can go to that subrace or faction representative, click on it and voila your label changes to Wildhammer Dwarf.

If you are extremely lucky, certain racists might have glyphs to change then to something more firing. Like Entropic embrace might have a glyph to change it to Sun embrace.

Such I wouldn’t expect unless or until blizzard either revamp Azeroth or do a race focused expansion they go to Legion level of detail to win back FFXIV subscribers who bailed on them.

But then, we might even get official high elf factions players can affiliate with amongst the blood elves, the void elves, and even Dalaran allowing you to be labelled high elf in game if you so choose on either side.

However LifeIsThunder is correct. As it stands, the two aren’t different races, , just ideologically distinct rather than physically

[Rhlor]

Technically you can be a blue eyed blood elf or a blue eyed high elf.

You can be whatever is possible in the lore on any faction as long as you have the customisations for it and it exists in the lore.

You no longer require the game to officially label you.

For examples: some high elves are with their kin at the sunwell plateau, they still identify as high elves but are there. Auric Sunchaser is or was one (don’t know if he is still there)

So in theory, though you picked it as a blood elf, you can call it a high elf that lives with the blood elves like Auric use to before Alleria returned

How you want to proceed with that is up to you. Cross factions make this fantasy even more realised in game.

Soon, blizzard would allow you to label some of these options like high elf, wildhammer or Sand troll if you have the correct customisations. Just don’t expect a starter zone. You’d be lucky if character creation lets you make the distinction and luckier if they stick an NPC with a quest or dialog.

The most likely scenario is when you make your toon you can go to that subrace or faction representative, click on it and voila your label changes to Wildhammer Dwarf.

If you are extremely lucky, certain racists might have glyphs to change then to something more firing. Like Entropic embrace might have a glyph to change it to Sun embrace.

Such I wouldn’t expect unless or until blizzard either revamp Azeroth or do a race focused expansion they go to Legion level of detail to win back FFXIV subscribers who bailed on them.

But then, we might even get official high elf factions players can affiliate with amongst the blood elves, the void elves, and even Dalaran allowing you to be labelled high elf in game if you so choose on either side.

However LifeIsThunder is correct. As it stands, the two aren’t different races, , just ideologically distinct rather than physically

The art director tells us that high elves are a race and that they are playable as blood elf and void elf customization.

It would be great if blizzard gave us more lore for the new races that we see in the customizations like the dark rangers! but we are not so lucky I would like to see lore about the sand trolls.

for now blizzard keeps adding blue eyed thalassian elves in the horde which a dev said are high elves and a forum mod said the place to post about them is this thread

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Meanwhile, you try to say Void Elves are High Elves anywhere else and you have Blood Elf players flocking to screech that they're not real high elves.

Alliance Thalassian players apparently cannot have public or semi-public spaces dedicated to themselves and discussion catered to them unless it is exclusively void, and even then, it usually results in Blood Elves showing up to throw a temper-tantrum that they exist in the first place and stole from them, leading to a lack of discussion at all or people getting grated and fed up.

I don't know what you mean? you talk about me?

void elves and blood elves are not high elves, that's what the art director said. High Elves are a playable race as a customization for Blood Elves and Void Elves.

I asked if I could make another thread to talk about the high elves of the horde and a mod told me to only post in this thread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

because a major developer like the world of warcraft art director said in an interview on wowhead that high elves are a race and that race is different from blood elves and void elves but now they are playable as blood elves and void elves customization .
if you see a thalassian elf with blue eyes that's a high elf.
I post in this thread because a mod told me to.

Again I ask you, what's your impulse for posting on what's clearly an alliance aligned thread about high elves about horde high elves/blue eyed blood elves, when there's already a blood elf thread?

BE and HE are biologically the same, we've had blue eyed blood elves since BC and the general agreement was that there were blue eyed BE's, the high elf in contrast to blood elf exists to differentiate the groups politics.

if you see a thalassian elf with blue eyes that's a high elf

And I have to stress on this that no matter how much you twist the dev's meaning of giving both sides the "high elf fantasy", eye color does not mean you are a high elf, because eye color doesn't change your race. Blood Elves are called Blood Elves because they chose that name, not their eye color and your reductive stance on the matter is dismissing what feels like years of conversations made on this very thread.

Not every BE with blue eyes is a High Elf. You're dismissing every BE fan that loves BE cultural identity but simply wanted blue eyes with your weird fixation that eye color correlates to race.

[RenTheCat]

The art director tells us that high elves are a race and that they are playable as blood elf and void elf customization.

You keep talking about this "art director" telling you all of this things when the only thing he ever said about High Elves was calling the light skin, blonde hair and extra blue eyes options for Void Elves "a few High Elf customization available."
https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowl...-customization

He didn't say you're playing a High Elf, that's imagination time. He didn't change the name of the playable races to High Elves. In quest log you're still addressed as Blood Elf or a Void Elf. Looking like something doesn't immediately make you that race, otherwise this Night Elf would be addressed as a Nightborne and current Nightborne would be adressed as deformed monstrosities that look nothing like actual Nightborne look.

I asked if I could make another thread to talk about the high elves of the horde and a mod told me to only post in this thread

That never happened, you're free to make a thread about anything discussing any aspect of the game, you don't even have to make it in general if you don't want to, there is the Lore section to discuss any current event with the Blood Elves or whatever. Thing is you know nobody would keep bumping it like people do this thread because Blood Elves are currently the most boring race in the Horde who's entire culture revolves around worshiping the Light just like the humans and their latest Blood Elf lore update was some creepy garbage fanfic of their leader having sex with some purple woman.

Also if a moderator had told you you had to use this thread to talk about Blood Elves then how come you never talk about Blood Elves and instead you just try to pick up a fight with people telling them what Ion said with "If you want High Elves the Horde is waiting for you". The same Ion who did an interview in which he personally threatened to ban you if you modified the game files to make your Blood Elf have blue eyes because when the options were datamined he was pretty loud about them NOT being available for Blood Elves.

Not every BE with blue eyes is a High Elf. You're dismissing every BE fan that loves BE cultural identity but simply wanted blue eyes with your weird fixation that eye color correlates to race.

I disagree. The whole eye color thing is not a thing that was ever reflected in game. Blizzard is allowed to say in as many interviews as they want "oh no totally all the High Elves in Outland had green eyes because they were around fel energies" but if said employee fanfic is not represented in game then it didn't happen. Not a single High Elf character has green eyes despite being around fel energies, Alleria should outright have fel eyes because of how much time she spent fighting demons yet she still has blue eyes and not due to Void use since we've seen Void users have purple eyes, like Seline. Same as there isn't a single Blood Elf with blue eyes in the game, only Blood Elves with non green eyes we have are Liadrin with gold eyes due to her connection to the light and Koltiras because he's an undead death knight.

Players having a customization option available is not a new lore statement, otherwise Demon Hunter lore needs to be rewritten because some player decided their DH doesn't have tattoos which are a requirement to be a DH but in character creation screen you're not forced to have them.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I disagree. The whole eye color thing is not a thing that was ever reflected in game. Blizzard is allowed to say in as many interviews as they want "oh no totally all the High Elves in Outland had green eyes because they were around fel energies" but if said employee fanfic is not represented in game then it didn't happen. Not a single High Elf character has green eyes despite being around fel energies, Alleria should outright have fel eyes because of how much time she spent fighting demons yet she still has blue eyes and not due to Void use since we've seen Void users have purple eyes, like Seline. Same as there isn't a single Blood Elf with blue eyes in the game, only Blood Elves with non green eyes we have are Liadrin with gold eyes due to her connection to the light and Koltiras because he's an undead death knight.

Players having a customization option available is not a new lore statement, otherwise Demon Hunter lore needs to be rewritten because some player decided their DH doesn't have tattoos which are a requirement to be a DH but in character creation screen you're not forced to have them.

But the idea itself that "fel makes your eyes green" is an oversimplification of fel exposure/radiation. The facts are simple, High Elves and Mag'har lived for decades in Outland without being corrupted by fel, ergo there's something about the manner of exposure that turned BE eyes green and Orcs green that made it so.

Sure you can say it's a lore mistake, but why dismiss the in game and in universe context when it can answer that?

The devs said that Blood Elves would regain their blue eyes with time back in the day, contextually, that we have have blue eyes now on BE can easily been explained by the Sunwell not only giving golden eyes to the most pious, but also cleansing the fel radiation on some.

The whole idea that simply "fel makes your eyes green" has never been supported in game. It was always made more sense being about the type of radiation/exposure (in the case of BE, fel energy being used as an energy source in Quel'thalas)

Same as there isn't a single Blood Elf with blue eyes in the game

We've have had Blue Eyed BE since BC with Astromancer Darnarian, then a BE smith was added with blue eyes, as well as some BE Sunreaver NPC's during MoP.

Currently there have been more blue eyed BE NPC's than golden eyed.

[Rhlor]

Again I ask you, what's your impulse for posting on what's clearly an alliance aligned thread about high elves about horde high elves/blue eyed blood elves, when there's already a blood elf thread?

BE and HE are biologically the same, we've had blue eyed blood elves since BC and the general agreement was that there were blue eyed BE's, the high elf in contrast to blood elf exists to differentiate the groups politics.



And I have to stress on this that no matter how much you twist the dev's meaning of giving both sides the "high elf fantasy", eye color does not mean you are a high elf, because eye color doesn't change your race. Blood Elves are called Blood Elves because they chose that name, not their eye color and your reductive stance on the matter is dismissing what feels like years of conversations made on this very thread.

Not every BE with blue eyes is a High Elf. You're dismissing every BE fan that loves BE cultural identity but simply wanted blue eyes with your weird fixation that eye color correlates to race.

I asked if I could post in another thread and a mod told me no, to post in this thread
once again I am not the one who says that they are different races it was the art director of wow

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You keep talking about this "art director" telling you all of this things when the only thing he ever said about High Elves was calling the light skin, blonde hair and extra blue eyes options for Void Elves "a few High Elf customization available."
https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowl...-customization

He didn't say you're playing a High Elf, that's imagination time. He didn't change the name of the playable races to High Elves. In quest log you're still addressed as Blood Elf or a Void Elf. Looking like something doesn't immediately make you that race, otherwise this Night Elf would be addressed as a Nightborne and current Nightborne would be adressed as deformed monstrosities that look nothing like actual Nightborne look.





That never happened, you're free to make a thread about anything discussing any aspect of the game, you don't even have to make it in general if you don't want to, there is the Lore section to discuss any current event with the Blood Elves or whatever. Thing is you know nobody would keep bumping it like people do this thread because Blood Elves are currently the most boring race in the Horde who's entire culture revolves around worshiping the Light just like the humans and their latest Blood Elf lore update was some creepy garbage fanfic of their leader having sex with some purple woman.

Also if a moderator had told you you had to use this thread to talk about Blood Elves then how come you never talk about Blood Elves and instead you just try to pick up a fight with people telling them what Ion said with "If you want High Elves the Horde is waiting for you". The same Ion who did an interview in which he personally threatened to ban you if you modified the game files to make your Blood Elf have blue eyes because when the options were datamined he was pretty loud about them NOT being available for Blood Elves.



I disagree. The whole eye color thing is not a thing that was ever reflected in game. Blizzard is allowed to say in as many interviews as they want "oh no totally all the High Elves in Outland had green eyes because they were around fel energies" but if said employee fanfic is not represented in game then it didn't happen. Not a single High Elf character has green eyes despite being around fel energies, Alleria should outright have fel eyes because of how much time she spent fighting demons yet she still has blue eyes and not due to Void use since we've seen Void users have purple eyes, like Seline. Same as there isn't a single Blood Elf with blue eyes in the game, only Blood Elves with non green eyes we have are Liadrin with gold eyes due to her connection to the light and Koltiras because he's an undead death knight.

Players having a customization option available is not a new lore statement, otherwise Demon Hunter lore needs to be rewritten because some player decided their DH doesn't have tattoos which are a requirement to be a DH but in character creation screen you're not forced to have them.

According to a dev interview Ion gave several months ago, Blood Elves were originally unintended to have blue eyes in Shadowlands, but later on that decision was reversed following team discussions. If the art department was involved, what was the reasoning that led to blue eyes being added for Void Elves and Blood Elves?

This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadn't really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.

How about no, don't forget this

Mod note: This is now the officially designated High Elf discussion thread. Please keep all discussion regarding this race in here.

ely cannon makes it clear that these customizations exist so you can play as the high elf race. which are for both void elves and blood elves and that you choose your align

and yes, a mod said keep posting in this thread

[RenTheCat]

I asked if I could post in another thread and a mod told me no, to post in this thread
once again I am not the one who says that they are different races it was the art director of wow
and yes, a mod said keep posting in this thread

No. You were being petty and said "I am going to make my own thread about high elves but with allegiance to the Horde!". You were told to keep High Elf discussion in this thread. Blood Elves are not High Elves however and you've been given enough sources to show you that. The species both High Elves and Blood Elves belong to is Elves, same as Night Elves, Nightborne, Felborne, Nightfallen, Darkfallen, Fal'Dorei, etc. have been addressed multiple times ever since Warcraft 3. This is not the Elf thread, this is the High Elf thread. There's no High Elf in the Horde and any roleplaying about your character should be taken to https://www.mmo-champion.com/forums/300-Role-Playing

[Rhlor]

No. You were being petty and said "I am going to make my own thread about high elves but with allegiance to the Horde!". You were told to keep High Elf discussion in this thread. Blood Elves are not High Elves however and you've been given enough sources to show you that. The species both High Elves and Blood Elves belong to is Elves, same as Night Elves, Nightborne, Felborne, Nightfallen, Darkfallen, Fal'Dorei, etc. have been addressed multiple times ever since Warcraft 3. This is not the Elf thread, this is the High Elf thread. There's no High Elf in the Horde and any roleplaying about your character should be taken to https://www.mmo-champion.com/forums/300-Role-Playing

I pay attention to what the developers say. customizations exist to represent the different races like sand trolls.
and blood elves and high elves are different races is what the art director said.
and yes, a mod told me to keep posting in this thread.

the elfkind exists, said grand magister rommath in suramar

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I asked if I could post in another thread and a mod told me no, to post in this thread
once again I am not the one who says that they are different races it was the art director of wow

Again, I am asking you; what possibly keeps you posting about blue eyed blood elves/ horde high elves on the Blood Elf Thread?

We talk about Void Elves in here too because even when they are biologically far more distinct than BE are to HE, their are closer ideologically to Alliance High Elves.

You keep saying "a mod told me to post here" and "Ely Cannon said that they are different races" but you haven't been able to explain why you think "Horde High Elves" wouldn't be a discussion topic better suited to the Blood Elf Thread than this High Elf thread which is *obviously* Alliance aligned.

And again, it's really up to you, we're all free to ignore you, but I just don't understand your motivation here at all.

[Rhlor]

Again, I am asking you; what possibly keeps you posting about blue eyed blood elves/ horde high elves on the Blood Elf Thread?

We talk about Void Elves in here too because even when they are biologically far more distinct than BE are to HE, their are closer ideologically to Alliance High Elves.

You keep saying "a mod told me to post here" and "Ely Cannon said that they are different races" but you haven't been able to explain why you think "Horde High Elves" wouldn't be a discussion topic better suited to the Blood Elf Thread than this High Elf thread which is *obviously* Alliance aligned.

And again, it's really up to you, we're all free to ignore you, but I just don't understand your motivation here at all.

[SIZE=3][B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Mod note: This is now the officially designated High Elf discussion thread. Please keep all discussion regarding this race in here.

I'm posting here because according to mobs this is the thread for the high elf race in general and all discussions of the high elf race should be posted here. It's not about the high elf alliance faction, it's about the race in general.

Now I propose to change the title of the blood elf thread and put "blood elf and horde high elf thread"

If it bothers the players of the alliance so much, let this thread be used

[elbleuet]

I'm posting here because according to mobs this is the thread for the high elf race in general and all discussions of the high elf race should be posted here. It's not about the high elf alliance faction, it's about the race in general.

Now I propose to change the title of the blood elf thread and put "blood elf and horde high elf thread"

If it bothers the players of the alliance so much, let this thread be used

Your blue-eyed blood elves never - even a single time - called themselves High elves.

So please stop with your own headcanon.

That's like saying High elves are Blood elves. That's completely false.

In the entire history of WoW, High elves have always been either Alliance or neutral, favoring the Alliance, and have never been exposed to the fel.

[Rhlor]

Your blue-eyed blood elves never - even a single time - called themselves High elves.

So please stop with your own headcanon.

That's like saying High elves are Blood elves. That's completely false.

In the entire history of WoW, High elves have always been either Alliance or neutral, favoring the Alliance, and have never been exposed to the fel.

is what the art director says. It says that the high elves are a race and that they are playable as customizations for blood elves and void elves.

Summoner Nolric is a high elf warlock

[FranklinRogers]

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[Varodoc]

Leave it to the WoW fanbase online to make such a big deal out of what defines a blood elf or a high elf.

But in the end, does it really matter, when none of their major characters are receiving any serious lore development? Well, aside from Lor'themar Theron getting married off-screen, not that anyone cares anyway.

Sigh, how I envy Forsaken players. How I truly envy them. It must have a been joy seeing their racial leader in the spotlight for years.

[Rhlor]

Leave it to the WoW fanbase online to make such a big deal out of what defines a blood elf or a high elf.

But in the end, does it really matter, when none of their major characters are receiving any serious lore development? Well, aside from Lor'themar Theron getting married off-screen, not that anyone cares anyway.

Sigh, how I envy Forsaken players. How I truly envy them. It must have a been joy seeing their racial leader in the spotlight for years.

we are going to see the wedding in a short story.

more high elves horde in Dragon Isles

[Varodoc]

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Your standards must be abysmally low if you count that as "serious lore development".

A wedding in a short story is not serious lore development.

Thanessa Silvermbloom is not an important character.

I can't tell who those other NPCs are but I can tell you that they aren't important characters either.

As it turns out, random extras are not important characters.

Do you know who are important characters? Alleria and Vereesa.

Surely you had another point to make I hope?