Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Mace]

What your doing is changing already established lore, from TBC in order to make night elves happy.

What exactly am I changing.

Blood Elves of Silvermoon were NOT, I repeat, NOT complicit with the Legion. They had no idea what was going on, in Tempest Keep and the lengths the Sunfury were pushing.
So therefore - they would NOT feel any connection or sympathy to Elisande or her loyalists (which would have been the former Highborne Elders, since Thalyssra states it was the Shal'dorei Elders who planned the surrender to the Legion) because they are too much akin to the Sunblade and Dawnblade forces, loyal to Kael'thas and Kil'jaeden.

EDIT: Just because Quel'Thalas introduced Warlocks doesn't mean anything, since we could easily say Stormwind, Lordaeron, Ironforge and Orgrimmar were all complicit with the Legion, since they all had Warlocks schools.

Oh you're still on about that? You made it sound like I was changing all the lore. I believe the Scryers who had been fighting for Kael'thas already in league with the legion are the ones that turn aside from that path.

This is what they are deeply repentant for when they come o Shattrath seeking peace and forgiveness and so redeeming some of the blood elves' best magicians. This was a story I believe was meant to give them commonality with the orcs and the horde... having once been hoodwinked by leaders in serving the legion and then turning aside. It's a minor detail. But it's not a real scenario. Whether the blood elves did or no, would it be out of character to provide sanctuary to an exiled Elisande and Nightborne repentant of their actions and in danger of death due to their addiction? Ancient night elves holding all that arcane knowledge and skills. A powerful ally, but also a people in need of help.

[Tanaria]

What exactly am I changing.




Oh you're still on about that? You made it sound like I was changing all the lore. I believe the Scryers who had been fighting for Kael'thas already in league with the legion are the ones that turn aside from that path.

This is what they are deeply repentant for when they come o Shattrath seeking peace and forgiveness and so redeeming some of the blood elves' best magicians. This was a story I believe was meant to give them commonality with the orcs and the horde... having once been hoodwinked by leaders in serving the legion and then turning aside. It's a minor detail. But it's not a real scenario. Whether the blood elves did or no, would it be out of character to provide sanctuary to an exiled Elisande and Nightborne repentant of their actions and in danger of death due to their addiction? Ancient night elves holding all that arcane knowledge and skills. A powerful ally, but also a people in need of help.

Yes...100%, it goes against their character.
The Scryers defected when Kael'thas was still in league with Illidan and they believed that both were going too far.

The only Sunfury who returned to Quel'Thalas were the Blood Elf Warriors, who pledged to help the Farstriders.
The Sunblade, Shadowsword and Dawnblade Elves all remained Legion-aligned until the very end and they are the ones who are more in common with Elisande and her Nightborne and Felborne.

Why would the Blood Elves have killed their own, without giving them a chance to return to society, but allow a different group of Elves a chance to repent, with a leader who is no different from the one, they willingly put to the sword? It goes against what the Shattered Sun and Silvermoon Blood Elves stood for at the time.

That is why, it makes no sense.

[Mace]

Yes...100%, it goes against their character.
The Scryers defected when Kael'thas was still in league with Illidan and they believed that both were going too far.

The only Sunfury who returned to Quel'Thalas were the Blood Elf Warriors, who pledged to help the Farstriders.
The Sunblade, Shadowsword and Dawnblade Elves all remained Legion-aligned until the very end and they are the ones who are more in common with Elisande and her Nightborne and Felborne.

Why would the Blood Elves have killed their own, without giving them a chance to return to society, but allow a different group of Elves a chance to repent, with a leader who is no different from the one, they willingly put to the sword? It goes against what the Shattered Sun and Silvermoon Blood Elves stood for at the time.

That is why, it makes no sense.

Point is there were returnees, it's part of the redemption arc, they can relate to such a scenario.

[Tanaria]

Point is there were returnees, it's part of the redemption arc, they can relate to such a scenario.

They can't.

Kael's forces on Quel'Danas are the exact same as Elisande's loyalists.
Both were killed, at the hands of the Blood Elves, funnily enough.

Their is no relatable feelings there. Liadrin and Rommath bury any similarties between themselves and Elisande's lot, the moment they arrive. Indeed, they draw the comparison between Kael'thas and his forces and Elisande and her forces.

They don't see any relatable scenario and they are the most important characters in this.

[Mace]

They can't.

Kael's forces on Quel'Danas are the exact same as Elisande's loyalists.

Kael never turned away from the Legion, Elisande did. Go play the encounter. She is the reason we can use the Nightwell against Gul'dan. Blood elves would and could feel sympathy for Elisande and her loyalists who eventually turn round and help in this alternate scenario.

[Tanaria]

Kael never turned away from the Legion, Elisande did. Go play the encounter. She is the reason we can use the Nightwell against Gul'dan. Blodo elves would and could fele sympathy for Elisande and her lyalists who eventually turn round and help in this alternate scenario.

No they wouldn't.

Blood Elves, namely Liadrin and Rommath, two leaders within Quel'Thalas, constantly compare Elisande to Kael'thas. Go and play the actual game. Not your headcanon game. Silvermoon would have nothing to do with a bunch of crazed Highborne Elders who were only recently, Legion loyalists.
Unless it's just a goal to give Blood Elves some shit, so nelfs can look amazing.

Your scenario doesn't work and it's just victim desperation to have Thalyssra shack up for a threesome with Tyrande and Malfurion.

At some point - your going to have to drop this because I do think this obsession is making you ill. You really need to take a break from these forums Mace. Your taking the Nightborne and Blood Elves on the Horde, way too seriously.

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I do think you want Quel'Thalas and Suramar on the Alliance and for no lore to be given to Blood Elves and Nightborne. I think that's the ulterior motive which seems to make these threads, very calculated, considering it's only a week and a half until Blizzcon. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with these threads - whatever the next expansion is, Blizzard suddenly changes their minds and gives Alliance, Quel'Thalas and Suramar with nothing for Blood Elf and Nightborne players?
What if Quel'Thalas updates comes and it's just for the Blood Elf / Horde players? Will these threads finally stop?

[Mace]

No they wouldn't.

Blood Elves, namely Liadrin and Rommath, two leaders within Quel'Thalas, constantly compare Elisande to Kael'thas. Go and play the actual game. Not your headcanon game. Silvermoon would have nothing to do with a bunch of crazed Highborne Elders who were only recently, Legion loyalists.
Unless it's just a goal to give Blood Elves some shit, so nelfs can look amazing.

Your scenario doesn't work and it's just victim desperation to have Thalyssra shack up for a threesome with Tyrande and Malfurion.

At some point - your going to have to drop this because I do think this obsession is making you ill. You really need to take a break from these forums Mace. Your taking the Nightborne and Blood Elves on the Horde, way too seriously.

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I do think you want Quel'Thalas and Suramar on the Alliance and for no lore to be given to Blood Elves and Nightborne. I think that's the ulterior motive which seems to make these threads, very calculated, considering it's only a week and a half until Blizzcon. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with these threads - whatever the next expansion is, Blizzard suddenly changes their minds and gives Alliance, Quel'Thalas and Suramar with nothing for Blood Elf and Nightborne players?
What if Quel'Thalas updates comes and it's just for the Blood Elf / Horde players? Will these threads finally stop?

Calm down Tanaria, no one is having waifu fantasies of Thalyssra, Tyrande and Malfurion - besides Tyrande likes boys. All your points are based on lore that came after the fact, it would have been written differently if it had gone that direction, this is why it is an alternative scenario. or do you think the blood elves are so pure and good they would never show mercy to repentant group of people who've been exiled for crimes they originally committed.. like Tyrande had compassion on Darth'remar... then why join the horde and the orcs?

And if they are so pure minded, why all the slaughter under the horde? Teldrassil, Azshara, Desolace, Theramore.. and if they are capable of such evil and reckless behaviour are you seriously trying to argue they cannot be compassionate and merciful? Why? Because it lends credence to a hypothetical situation that means it could have happened even though it never did?

I could present a hypothetical situation of Blood elves becoming the next legion lords, it's hypothetical and possible, anything is possible, but it hasn't happened... yet.. why get so emo over it? Blood elves can't be good, blood elves can't be evil, blood elves change all the time to suit your whims of preventing me form making suggestions you get sensitive over.

Like I said to you in an earlier post.. chill, you won, you have nothing to feel so insecured or upset over. But please face the reality f the blood elves in a faction prone to comes against humanity, genocides, war crimes and massive acts of destruction, went psychotic because they got destroyed and threw caution to the wind. That has some consequences you know. or do you think being masters of corruptive fel magic has no consequences.

[Tanaria]

Calm down Tanaria, no one is having waifu fantasies of Thalyssra, Tyrande and Malfurion - besides Tyrande likes boys. All your points are based on lore that came after the fact, it would have been written differently if it had gone that direction, this is why it is an alternative scenario. or do you think the blood elves are so pure and good they would never show mercy to repentant group of people who've been exiled for crimes they originally committed.. like Tyrande had compassion on Darth'remar... then why join the horde and the orcs?

And if they are so pure minded, why all the slaughter under the horde? Teldrassil, Azshara, Desolace, Theramore.. and if they are capable of such evil and reckless behaviour are you seriously trying to argue they cannot be compassionate and merciful? Why? Because it lends credence to a hypothetical situation that means it could have happened even though it never did?

I could present a hypothetical situation of Blood elves becoming the next legion lords, it's hypothetical and possible, anything is possible, but it hasn't happened... yet.. why get so emo over it? Blood elves can't be good, blood elves can't be evil, blood elves change all the time to suit your whims of preventing me form making suggestions you get sensitive over.

Like I said to you in an earlier post.. chill, you won, you have nothing to feel so insecured or upset over. But please face the reality f the blood elves in a faction prone to comes against humanity, genocides, war crimes and massive acts of destruction, went psychotic because they got destroyed and threw caution to the wind. That has some consequences you know. or do you think being masters of corruptive fel magic has no consequences.

All seems a little calculated to me. Threads about the same thing, a week before Blizzcon, coming up with all sorts of "hypotheticals"

Just stop making these suggestions of expansions past. It didn't go your way. Put your big boy pants on and just move on from it.

[Mace]

All seems a little calculated to me. Threads about the same thing, a week before Blizzcon, coming up with all sorts of "hypotheticals"

Just stop making these suggestions of expansions past. It didn't go your way. Put your big boy pants on and just move on from it.

If you were my only audience I may oblige, but you aren't. You simply want me to stop because you don't like this fantasy. You know fantasies you like are not the only ones that are allowed. if you want only your fantasies to be allowed you should create your own forum and remove all the topics about teh alliance, high elves or night elves being cool or getting things that blood elves have some remote connection to.

[Grazrug]

If you were my only audience I may oblige, but you aren't. You simply want me to stop because you don't like this fantasy. You know fantasies you like are not the only ones that are allowed. if you want only your fantasies to be allowed you should create your own forum and remove all the topics about teh alliance, high elves or night elves being cool or getting things that blood elves have some remote connection to.

Your fantasies require a huge part of the fanbase to get their own fun of the game be fully destroyed. So yes we think we do have the right to oppose your wishes.

[Mace]

Your fantasies require a huge part of the fanbase to get their own fun of the game be fully destroyed. So yes we think we do have the right to oppose your wishes.

So your fun in the game is no alliance elves? OR alliance elves being down in the dumps?

So you like things not being fair... and outlining a fairer exchange is not fun because it would have meant the huge horde fanbase here not getting what they shouldn't have gotten in the first place?

Because only the horde fans should benefit off the alliance fans being gutted constantly and supplying the horde with assets which when they request them for themselves the horde fans come back and tell them to their face, "that is the horde's not the alliance,... stop trying to take horde stuff" .. and we just watch with incredulity 0 the more you point out where this stuff comes from, i.e. the alliance elves, and what you want they should get in response to these guys, - they then respond "you constantly on about this" - after constantly opposing it with arguments then complaining when their arguments are consistently rebuffed.

No it's not horde stuff these guys want, its alliance stuff... most of the stuff about night elves is about night elves getting night elf stuff. You mistakenly think that because some of the night elf stuff is on the horde and some of the high elf stuff too, that it is exclusively the hordes. You are often corrected, with a lot of examples and walkthroughs to show you this is not the case, but you keep feeling robbed.

You are not being robbed. High elves are on the alliance, night elves are on the alliance. ARcane magic, nature magic, night elven cities, powerful highborne and moonguard casters these are all part of the night elves. That the Nightborne, also part of the night elf lore are on the horde doesn't mean that those parts of the night elves are now horde only.. or that high elves are horde only now.

They don't belong to the horde, they never did. And suggesting alliance elves get stuff or that the way blizzard handled it was not fair (Because it wasn't) and suggesting something that was fairer should not be ruining your fun.

If so you should re-asses what you consider fun. If you like alliance players to have nothing of theirs while the horde hoards it all, then your fun is at the expense of others unjustly.

[Tanaria]

If you were my only audience I may oblige, but you aren't. You simply want me to stop because you don't like this fantasy. You know fantasies you like are not the only ones that are allowed. if you want only your fantasies to be allowed you should create your own forum and remove all the topics about teh alliance, high elves or night elves being cool or getting things that blood elves have some remote connection to.

And you don't do the same to me?
I have tried suggesting things for Night elves, like restoring Eldre'Thalas.

But when I come up with something for Blood Elves to have something that they are known for, which none of the other elves do, you just have a meltdown.

I suggest Blood Elves become the main elves who use Fel Magic, you meltdown, screaming "nIghT ElVeS dId FeL FiRsT!!!" and waffling on about random night elf shit nobody cares about - yet all I suggest is that Blood Elves have fel magic, since they are the only Elves who were seen to actively use it in and around Quel'Thalas, with the Fel Crystals and the Magisters draining the Crystals' Magical essence. Why are you seemingly so angry about Blood Elves getting any magical focus? Arcane is already being shared, so why can't Night Elves go solo with Natural and Elune Magic and Blood Elves go solo with Fel and Holy Magic?

You are a bully.

[Mace]

And you don't do the same to me?
I have tried suggesting things for Night elves, like restoring Eldre'Thalas.

But when I come up with something for Blood Elves to have something that they are known for, which none of the other elves do, you just have a meltdown.

I suggest Blood Elves become the main elves who use Fel Magic, you meltdown, screaming "nIghT ElVeS dId FeL FiRsT!!!" and waffling on about random night elf shit nobody cares about - yet all I suggest is that Blood Elves have fel magic, since they are the only Elves who were seen to actively use it in and around Quel'Thalas, with the Fel Crystals and the Magisters draining the Crystals' Magical essence.

Really, I have never had a meltdown when you have suggested something for blood elves. Mentioning demon hunter night elves being great at fel and teachers of the blood elves is not a meltdown or objection to blood elves getting fel or having more fel.

The problem is when i mention night elves as good as anything the blood elves are good at you have a meltdown and feel you're under attack. You're not. I have often suggested many things for blood elves. Suggested Farstrider improvements, Phoenix mages, Blood mages, spell breakers, expansions to the light, to Quel'thalas, revamps. Constantly. You just don't like it if I sometimes include alliance elves in the picture. Like only blood elves should benefit. I'm often seen suggesting things for both night elves and Nightborne.

I'm allowed to agree with something and not with other things, but I don't think that only my suggestions should be. Why should I not suggest night elves get Suramar or share it? I clearly state my prefferred option would be they get something new elsewhere.. like Eldre'thalas or Zin'Azshari or Nar'thalas or a new city. Always been my first choice since Suramar went. Why? Because this way I get two night elf cities. My alliance toons can enjoy the new city and my nightborne toons Suramar. D'uh.. but am I not allowed to say if failing that then they should get Suramar and point out the importance of the place to them - I have to mention that for all the people that completley ignore the first suggestion and jump on quickly to tell me night elves have no right to it - or will never get it. I'm like sheesh, I am not saying they will get it, I don't know the future.

I remind you I play all 4 elf groups, and I don't want blood elves to be something that they are not or so different from night elves they would barely qualify as elves... stripped of half the things connected to their lore just so they wouldn't be similar in anyway to them.. even though they are called elves and are meant to be similar, for if they were not to be at all, they would surely be a different race, for their are races that are not similar to them at all, and they don't hold the name elf or have anything related to them.

[Tanaria]

Really, I have never had a meltdown when you have suggested something for blood elves. Mentioning demon hunter night elves being great at fel and teachers of the blood elves is not a meltdown or objection to blood elves getting fel or having more fel.

The problem is when i mention night elves as good as anything the blood elves are good at you have a meltdown and feel you're under attack. You're not. I have often suggested many things for blood elves. Suggested Farstrider improvements, Phoenix mages, Blood mages, spell breakers, expansions to the light, to Quel'thalas, revamps. Constantly. You just don't like it if I sometimes include alliance elves in the picture. Like only blood elves should benefit. I'm often seen suggesting things for both night elves and Nightborne.

That's a lie.

You have gone mental over my suggestion of Blood Elves being the ones who hold more of the "Fel" related lore (in terms of Elves), because reasons unrelated.
I don't care about your night elf bullshit, when I talk about Blood Elves having more magical advanced lore - in this case, fel magic, since they are the only ones whom have an active Blood Elf only Warlock Guild.

[Grazrug]

That's a lie.

You have gone mental over my suggestion of Blood Elves being the ones who hold more of the "Fel" related lore (in terms of Elves), because reasons unrelated.
I don't care about your night elf bullshit, when I talk about Blood Elves having more magical advanced lore - in this case, fel magic, since they are the only ones whom have an active Blood Elf only Warlock Guild.

I know this is about high elves still but I would totally support blood elves accepting their legacy of using fel magic. If you see with Umbric it is currently the thing to meddle with dark powers.

[Mace]

That's a lie.

You have gone mental over my suggestion of Blood Elves being the ones who hold more of the "Fel" related lore (in terms of Elves), because reasons unrelated.
I don't care about your night elf bullshit, when I talk about Blood Elves having more magical advanced lore - in this case, fel magic, since they are the only ones whom have an active Blood Elf only Warlock Guild.

I think you've mis-understood my reaction, grossly too if you are describing that as a meltdown. I don't have meltdowns over make belief races. Fel related lore is a big area... I don't think blood elves should over take night elves when it comes to the demon hunter side, it's just not right I don't think. But there is the warlock side to fel, and other parts, so why not?

That's not a meltdown, going on about Illidan being the first and greatest at it , is a valid point, he's a night elf, and some of his followers have been at it for thousands of years, being a magically adept race, it's not fitting that the blood elves suddenly overtake and get more capable than them.. as much as you'd like. But the sorcery of the Illidari isn't the only avenue for excellence. And I'm only speaking in comparison to night elves. Blood elves could reign supreme on the horde for fel. While orcs do have a history with it, being turned green by it too, yet orcs do not have the magical apittude that elves have, and against orcs, I can see Blood elves surpassing. Forsaken, Trolls, Goblins don't have any real fel history though they are talented with magic too.

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I also reject your attempts to have each elf good at only one type of magic or a couple share between them all e.g. night elf nature, void elf void, blood elf fel and nightborne arcane. It isn't the reality, some have more some have less

Night elves have arcane , nature and fel, blood elves arcane, light and fel. void elves have arcane and void. Nightborne have arcane. I personally feel all elves should have great strength in arcane and nature, but they could have strengths in different elements of it. like blood elves in fire, Night elves in star/moon arcane, void elves in frost void, Nightborne in time arcane etc. This is because elves are about magic, and the foundation is nature and arcane and they get that from night elves

[Tanaria]

I think you've mis-understood my reaction, grossly too if you are describing that as a meltdown. I don't have meltdowns over make belief races. Fel related lore is a big area... I don't think blood elves should over take night elves when it comes to the demon hunter side, it's just not right I don't think. But there is the warlock side to fel, and other parts, so why not?

Well their is an Illidari in Dragonflight, who is part of the Dragonscale. He is a Blood Elf.

The fact is - there's no getting away from the Sanctum Guild and the Illidari. Shinfel and Kayn co-leading the fel side to the Sin'dorei in a revamped Quel'Thalas is such a "Blood Elf" feel thing and is something that harkens to what Blizzard said about them being an extremely magical race.

As their is no current night elf warlock characters, you don't get this with them, but you have Druids and Priests of Elune.
The Blood Elves overtaking the Night Elves in terms of fel magic, through the Sanctum and Illidari would be great progression for Quel'Thalas society as a whole. Perhaps destroy the Sunwell and have it's essence replaced by an Arcane Crystal.

Whilst the Illidari and the Sanctum work on maintaining the revamped "Ruins of Silvermoon" through fel crystals and powerful magics

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I know this is about high elves still but I would totally support blood elves accepting their legacy of using fel magic. If you see with Umbric it is currently the thing to meddle with dark powers.

To make the Blood Elves interesting, I do now accept that Kael'thas, Shinfel and Kayn, would be the most ideal characters to bring into the Quel'Thalas fold.
Two Blood Elf Warlocks and a Blood Elf Demon Hunter, along with the Arcane and Light...it would make the Blood Elves, as a core race, stand out from the rest - rather than being the Horde Humans with pointy ears.

[Grazrug]

Well their is an Illidari in Dragonflight, who is part of the Dragonscale. He is a Blood Elf.

The fact is - there's no getting away from the Sanctum Guild and the Illidari. Shinfel and Kayn co-leading the fel side to the Sin'dorei in a revamped Quel'Thalas is such a "Blood Elf" feel thing and is something that harkens to what Blizzard said about them being an extremely magical race.

As their is no current night elf warlock characters, you don't get this with the them, but you have Druids and Priests of Elune.
The Blood Elves overtaking the Night Elves in terms of fel magic, through the Sanctum and Illidari would be great progression for Quel'Thalas society as a whole. Perhaps destroy the Sunwell and have it's essence replaced by an Arcane Crystal.

Whilst the Illidari and the Sanctum work on maintaining the revamped "Ruins of Silvermoon" through fel crystals and powerful magics

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To make the Blood Elves interesting, I do now accept that Kael'thas, Shinfel and Kayn, would be the most ideal characters to bring into the Quel'Thalas fold.
Two Blood Elf Warlocks and a Blood Elf Demon Hunter, along with the Arcane and Light...it would make the Blood Elves, as a core race, stand out from the rest - rather than being the Horde Humans with pointy ears.

And every other blood elf outcast that left the homeland for something else except Valeera she can step on a lego.

[Tanaria]

And every other blood elf outcast that left the homeland for something else except Valeera she can step on a lego.

That's only one, plus the High Elves and Void Elves.

The majority populace are still Blood Elves, but a Sunwell loss might make them question Lor'themar's strict "little fel please" policy, where even he knows he has to go back to it.
Then comes Kayn and Shinfel and later Kael'thas, who Shinfel "borrows" from Revendreth.

Shinfel is a woman who would lie and deceive to get what she wants. If she wants Kael'thas, then she'd retrieve him and bring him back to Quel'Thalas.

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That's not a meltdown, going on about Illidan being the first and greatest at it , is a valid point, he's a night elf, and some of his followers have been at it for thousands of years, being a magically adept race, it's not fitting that the blood elves suddenly overtake and get more capable than them.. as much as you'd like.

Well I'm sorry, but it is.
Blood Elves come from a lineage that made up the most Elite magical users in Azeroth.

Wielding Fel Magic, as we've seen before, is child's play for them. The Sanctum could and should easily do far greater fel-based activities than what the lowborne night elves ever did.

[Pheraz]

Here are some pics of some of my voidy high elves






There are more... but I don't want to spam to much :P