Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

That’s rich seeing this is a high elf discussion and you are the one insisting blood elves dominate other factions.



Which you do realise Fel magic and the Illidari is one of the major arcs for them right?

No it isn't.

Get that through your skull. You see, your being a bully again and then will cry victim.

You are literally denying a future story with a theme, only for the blood elves (along with Orcs and Man'ari) because YOU DONT WANT THE BLOOD ELVES TO BE UNIQUE! ARE YOU THAT DAMN SCARED OF THIS RACE GETTING IT'S OWN INDIVIDULAITY

So what if the bastard night elves don't have a Warlock / Fel focus? They've already got Elune, Druids, Wardens and Mages. Take your pick..
Give the Blood elves that Warlock / Fel focus. Bring the Fel Crystals to empower the Ruins of Silvermoon. Have Kayn return with the Illidari. Have Shinfel as one of the best and well known Warlocks on the Horde. If necessary, if both factions need a Warlock's call, then (even in a neutral setting) Shinfel is the one they call for. She is the first one who springs to mind. Return the Warlock focus to the Horde, if needs be.

[Mace]

No it isn't.

Get that through your skull. You see, your being a bully again and then will cry victim.

You are literally denying a future story with a theme, only for the blood elves (along with Orcs and Man'ari) because YOU DONT WANT THE BLOOD ELVES TO BE UNIQUE! ARE YOU THAT DAMN SCARED OF THIS RACE GETTING IT'S OWN INDIVIDULAITY

So what if the bastard night elves don't have a Warlock / Fel focus? They've already got Elune, Druids, Wardens and Mages. Take your pick..
Give the Blood elves that Warlock / Fel focus. Bring the Fel Crystals to empower the Ruins of Silvermoon. Have Kayn return with the Illidari. Have Shinfel as one of the best and well known Warlocks on the Horde. If necessary, if both factions need a Warlock's call, then (even in a neutral setting) Shinfel is the one they call for. She is the first one who springs to mind. Return the Warlock focus to the Horde, if needs be.

Firstly you don't need to shout. Calm down. take a deep breath. Count to 10. Relax.

Okay now. Secondly I don't think you realise what a major facet of a race is.

Just because the Illidari and fel are not part of or do not play a large role in the main night elf group does not mean they are not a large facet of the race and it's lore.

The LEGION is a large part of the race and it's lore. Illidan, his journey, his creation of the demon hunter class, is a huge part of the NIGHT ELF STORY.. get it, the NIGHT ELF.

He doesn't need to be huge in the current night elf society for this to be true.. Illidan takes as much time as Tyrande or Malfurion or Azshara in the night elf tale, and he is certainly a major par of the campaign. As he is night elven, from and a part of the night elf race, in a night elf story, it is all part of the night elf race, whether he is an exile, the only one, or has an entire faction of night elves of his own, that then later go on to train other races like blood elves and broken., fel orcs, naga and Shivarra. Malfurion training Tauren, Worgen and trolls in druidism doesn't make him less night elven, nor druidism and nature a less significant part of the story of the race whether it is just him doing it, or a whole faction of night elves doing it.. It wasn't less night elven in the Legion period of the pre-sundering era when so few night elves used it any longer, than it is now when lots of races use it or in the earlier parts of the pre-sundering era when a lot more night elves were a part of it. Get it?

Do not be fooled, learn to see beyond what you want to see, and see what is there. The Arcane is a huge part of the night elves too.. it doesn't need to be a major part of the operations of one of the night elf factions (even if it is the main one or the playable one ) for this to be true. .. it has dominated the entire race.. all the groups the Shen'dralar, the Darnassians, the Nightborne, The Farondis for 15,000 years.. whether they've used it prolifically as the main agent of of their society or have banned it indiscriminately in order to protect it, (the well I mean) and the world. It is at the heart of them, .. which is not surprising seeing they are dark elves with a forest elf twist and not the other way round...

https://web.archive.org/web/20010205...667651,00.html



Both their priesthood and druids are full of arcane spell usage and energies, their goddess Elune they manifest offensive magic through that sphere. Their moonwells are from the Well of eternity which has been the heart of their existence and behind every purpose they have had for 15,000 years.. yes, this includes the long vigil, or do you not realise it was protecting the Well of Eternity from discovery and usage is what the main purpose of the Long vigil was.. the entire era for the main faction was arcane centred, and the other groups that still used it in Feralas and Suramar? it continued to be their societies main power source and function.

The use of something and it's important when trying to figure out the main things a race is about is spelled out quite clearly, like very very clearly. and shown. But if you are only a casual fan of it, that just goes by the few scenes you saw when you tried out the night elf and never bothered to actually pay attention to their story, you might miss all of this. However if you played Legion, you should know. You should know with the fel , there are night elves, with nature there are night elves, with the arcane and magic, there are night elves and with Elune there are night elves. Those are there areas.

It is very clear that when they made the night elves, they wanted the ARCANE, NATURE, ELUNE and Fel magic to be a huge part of them. They wanted them archers and ranged units with spell power. It's even clear form the WC3 manual, which you would have seen first before the War of the Ancients Trilogy novels that spell it out in detail.

http://classic.battle.net/war3/nightelf/


Screaming at me to "get it through my skull", thick or otherwise, and yelling about blood elves doesn't change that. it may be frustrating to point this out to you if you are not interested in and don't want to believe that night elves can be good at anything, but they are - whether you like it or not, want it or not. Remember it's not just made for Tanaria. Tanaria's Warcraft

Remember, blood elves come from night elves, they get this from night elves. And whatever blood elves have, high elves also have, and the void elves that came from them. You cannot forget that either. They are ELVES. This comes with certain expectations. Those who expect savage creatures entirely feral in nature, moderately intelligent and only capable of managing one type of magic, but are largely magicless and war like have come to the wrong racial group. If you expecting grotesque, brutal - that's not any elf. If you expecting "not beautiful", or ugly , that's also not elf. - there are other races for all those things. And last I checked, night elves ARE elves, in act the most "elven" and purely or fully so of them all. Never forget that and never be surprised that they would excel at things other elves excel at and likely have more things to them. This is by design.. it's nothing to be jealous of, with your beautiful blood elf models and your beautiful elven forest and elven city.. and clear magical mastery in many areas too (light, arcane, void, fel- and though they haven't made use of the available knowledge, they are clearly adept at nature magic when they choose it - as the Botanica instance surely shows]. And it's not just magic they are good at, they are also great at range damage and fire power, very resourceful, intelligent and charming. Why you have to balk at, or be upset at night elves being good at similar magic fields is beyond me. Night elves are distinct from blood elves in on major way.. they are nocturnal.. blood elves are just a subset of the night elf, it's fitting they have something's but not everything.. it's how the lore is made.

You have nothing to be jealous of, it's like choosing to be a gnome fan, then being jealous that dwarves have more things going on, or that humans are taller and bigger It's irrational. If it's the case, then like dwarves, or like humans, or like all 3 of them.

[Tanaria]

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I don't care.

I don't care about them coming from night elves because they aren't important to the current blood elf story.

Give blood elves independence from the other elf races.

[Mace]

You are literally denying a future story with a theme, only for the blood elves (along with Orcs and Man'ari) because YOU DONT WANT THE BLOOD ELVES TO BE UNIQUE! ARE YOU THAT DAMN SCARED OF THIS RACE GETTING IT'S OWN INDIVIDULAITY

Well what is it, them only for blood elves? or a theme for blood elves, orcs and Eredar types? So for all the fel wielding races except for the night elves...

You may not like to hear it, but I am not denying you anything. Look at how upset you are getting by me simply reminding you that night elves are in there too. And trying to show you that his shouldn't surprise you either. Night elves are the purest i.e. fullest or most wholely elven of the elves. They define what elf is in world of Warcraft first. The race starts with them and everything attached to it stems from them -this was by design. Every branch of magic elves use and are good at, first started with them. nature, arcane, divine (light and void), fel - they are already there. It is from them the other elf groups that we all like come form, and they (the night elves) are not transformations. deviations, alterations or mutations of the race. The other elves are just slightly deviated versions in various ways with minor changes to them. They get their predilections from their night elf root.

Thalassian elves biggest deviation from night elves is by being diurnal, and in fact, this is the main point of distinction between them. Not nature love and nature magic, nor being brutal sometimes and ruthless. Yes there are other differences, like religion and culture variations, but by far the biggest one is the life cycle, this is what sets them apart and why the other group is called "Night" elf.. High elf is not the distinguishing factor because there are high born elves amongst the night elves too, wilding high magic for all you desire. fel is not the distinction either, because yes , night elves did that first too and in fact taught the less corrupted high elves who were now calling themselves blood elves. It's not void either, we know the Shen'dralar dealt with them, the Order of Elune and all their secrets, wit the mistresses of pain and the night warrior wielded void magic too.

Their differences are largely in their stories, their history, how they got to where they are now which determines there friendships and what they get up to.. those are their real differences that and their art assets, their appearances and they are minor differences, because they are elves, they are not meant to be huge differences. you are trading a flavour of ice cream for another, not trading ice cream for cake when you pick this one. You shouldn't expect a monster race appearance for an elf and go ah, this is night elf, and then only the "normal" looking ones are blood elves. As if to say that blood elves are the only true elves because nigh t elves are monsters. They aren't going to be you know. That's why they are called night elf. Not Night troll or night worgen, or night orc, or night zombie.

Sure you might like nature magic in the night elves, but you might also like arcane magic in the night elves too, or fel magic through the demon hunters. Do the blood elves have some of that? Yes a little bit as far as nature and fel are concerned, though nature will become playable in a little while , and fel and blood elves can wield fel like night elves can because they can be Illidari too, although they can do as warlocks, which night elves could not become till recently.

I could go on a lot more, what will it take for you to see and just not be jealous or angry? You truly have no need to be. Why do you think I like all elves? I recognise it's the race type, and it's that race type I truly like. The different types are just flavours, and flavours I actually happen to really like. The only reason I side more often with the alliance elves is largely because they have a wider scope and their morality is better in the story, that's all, okay it might be a bit because they are also the underdogs currently on the elf scale.

I didn't cool down on the Nightborne because they were in the horde I cooled down because blizzard wrote them to go to the horde and in such an unfair manner.. it made Thalyssra look hypocritical by choosing to side with conquerors after touting herself as a defender. She wasn't written to part in the war of thorns thankfully, that would have bene very awkward and likely a deal breaker for me, but she was never written to openly oppose it from the get go, this made her seem cowardly and sneaky, very different from a 7.0 self. Then when she meets Jaina in Stormwind, this 10,000 year old ancient cowers before her and evidently seems to out magic her. Then they write the race to only be staring moon calf eyes at blood elves, none of the caveat of brining night elves to the horde even though their presence there is exactly that. You don't see their kaldorei culture distinguishing them and it should - that era of kaldorei culture is far more stringent then the blood elves' high elven culture adhered to, full of stiff protocol. Their priests are priests of Elune, their goddess yet their religion and priest class has simply not showed up at all, or the druidic elements and nature magic acceleration through the Arcan'dor is ait's as if all their is to the Nightborne since the end of the Nighthold is blood elves.

I like none of it. Lore matters to me and can the story you tell for the races and what they do can change or at last affect the levels of affection for them. It's depressing. and it's not because it's on the horde, it's because of how it's developed. However I do like the character customisation improvements.. I'm not happy with the lore of the night elves either, but that's not for their morality in game, it's for all the losses and devastation they keep writing for them and the weakness so at odds to the lore they wrote concerning them - see the difference?

[Tanaria]

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I don't care about night elves.

I want an independent charge story just for Blood Elves, alongside Orcs and Man'ari.
Fel Magic, with Shinfel Blightsworn, Kayn Sunfury, even Kael'thas Sunstrider - it has the makings for the Blood Elves.

Night Elves have their Elune, Druidism and Arcane thing.
Blood Elves should have Arcane, Light and Fel - being the only Elves on Azeroth who are proficient enough with Fel Magic. Shinfel Blightsworn is the most top tier Elven Warlock current on Azeroth. Use her for this.

The character of Shinfel isn't influenced by some random night elf npcs. She's a Blood elf Warlock and she is one of the best Elven Warlocks - to be targeted by Kil'jaedon...Blizzard need to use her and for her to make a grand return to Quel'Thalas. Perhaps be Silvermoon's "Grand Warlock."

[Mace]

I don't care.

I don't care about them coming from night elves because they aren't important to the current blood elf story.

Give blood elves independence from the other elf races.

I see, you didn't read a word. That can't happen, Blood elves are ELVES.. let me remind you what you skipped reading above.

Remember, blood elves come from night elves, they get this from night elves. And whatever blood elves have, high elves also have, and the void elves that came from them. You cannot forget that either. They are ELVES. This comes with certain expectations. Those who expect savage creatures entirely feral in nature, moderately intelligent and only capable of managing one type of magic, but are largely magicless and war like have come to the wrong racial group. If you expecting grotesque, brutal - that's not any elf. If you expecting "not beautiful", or ugly , that's also not elf. - there are other races for all those things. And last I checked, night elves ARE elves, in act the most "elven" and purely or fully so of them all. Never forget that and never be surprised that they would excel at things other elves excel at and likely have more things to them. This is by design.. it's nothing to be jealous of, with your beautiful blood elf models and your beautiful elven forest and elven city.. and clear magical mastery in many areas too (light, arcane, void, fel- and though they haven't made use of the available knowledge, they are clearly adept at nature magic when they choose it - as the Botanica instance surely shows]. And it's not just magic they are good at, they are also great at range damage and fire power, very resourceful, intelligent and charming. Why you have to balk at, or be upset at night elves being good at similar magic fields is beyond me. Night elves are distinct from blood elves in on major way.. they are nocturnal.. blood elves are just a subset of the night elf, it's fitting they have something's but not everything.. it's how the lore is made.

You have nothing to be jealous of, it's like choosing to be a gnome fan, then being jealous that dwarves have more things going on, or that humans are taller and bigger It's irrational. If it's the case, then like dwarves, or like humans, or like all 3 of them.

You should decide whether it is worth sticking ot this need for blood elves to be some super special snowflake. THeya re just a flavour of elf. Elf is the race, and it is the snowflake. Blizzard tried to make every race group their own snowflake, with all their variations. Humans have humans, kul'tirans, Worgen, Forsaken as their won flavours, but yet when you compare humans to troolls, to elves, to orcs as a race now, and notj ust a faciton, yeh, they're pretty unique each of those.

However blodo elves are part of the elf group. ANd in warcraft the Human and elf group are the most extensive groups there.. even though the orcs also have huge lore

We play:
Humans (split in 4 factions)
Elves (splint in 4 factions)
Orcs (split in two)
Trolls (in 2 - but 3 types playable)
Draenei (2)
Pandarens
Dwarves (2 - but 3 types playable)
Gnomes (2)
Goblins & Vulpera
Dracthyr

That's 10 unique races. But if you add in the flavours you can now add blood elf, night elf, void elf, nightborne), Kul'tiran, Worgen, Undead, Human, etc.

If you want Blood elves to be on their own, they have to stop being called elves, and change to something else, like what my brother was suggesting in his "fix the alliance theme" topic. But you certainly didn't like that. This way they'll no longer be elves and can be something else. Mabye turn them into Vampires - that would be special snowflake for sure. ^^

But I actually like blood elves, i prefer them to be in the TFT form, heavy on Fel and arcane - not light. with Light, arcane and forest ranging going back to high elves. But alas, we have what we have.

[Ielenia]

Tauren are spiritual not shamanistic.

They are shamanistic.

Darkspear got forced to drop their evil ways by Thrall.

Dude, the Darkspears were basically kicked from Stranglethorn Vale because all the other troll tribes would pick on them. They were never evil.

[Tanaria]

I see, you didn't read a word. That can't happen, Blood elves are ELVES.. let me remind you what you skipped reading above.

It can happen and it should. The Alliance ones have their own thing, so Blood Elves should.

Having the most powerful Elven Warlock currently, should involve a more Warlock-infused story for the Sin'dorei, using her to spearhead it and give them some bigger and better magical prowess, which is different from the others.

This is more about your made-up headcanon and I don't buy into a night elf fan's headcanon about how the other races should be.
It's not that it can't happen. It's more about you not wanting it to happen.

[Mace]

It can happen and it should. The Alliance ones have their own thing, so Blood Elves should.

Having the most powerful Elven Warlock currently, should involve a more Warlock-infused story for the Sin'dorei, using her to spearhead it and give them some bigger and better magical prowess, which is different from the others.

This is more about your made-up headcanon and I don't buy into a night elf fan's headcanon about how the other races should be.
It's not that it can't happen. It's more about you not wanting it to happen.

I think you have gotten a bit too hung up on up on this this, especially your sense of what is fair.. which is ironically since you criticise me for pointing out Night elves are owed something back for losing Suramar, the Nightborne and Teldrassil. or void elves are owed their own zone and raid tier - remember that topic? You spend so much time convincing me they are owed nothing, because you don't want them to have anything, then go out of your way to literally demand they get something to make them more of a special snowflake.

Look.. I'm actually not opposed to blood elves getting a direction that makes them a lot fel like. It won't be Illidari - that's already a night elf thing which blood elves are a part of, but you're not going to lose night elves on that one, but it can be something similar to what the void elves got for being void. I don't think it's necessary though, you do that sort of thing for a new allied race or sub-race, you don't' really convert a main race that has multiple facets to hone in powerfully on one. What about the fans who liked the other bits you are now discarding and it was their reason for picking blood elves or even buying TBC?


But then who am I to say huh? They honed in powerfully on the light with Liadrin, the SUnwell, Naaru etc, but it wasn't at the expense of the arcane or the other skills of blood elves. They didn't make them Lightforged, although they could have that option. Perhaps fel forged for blood elves? Yet still even with that, I don't think it would be a good idea to make all the blood elves felforged. So if not felforged would then be a sub-group of it's own that's part of the blood elves, akin to an allied race. But I wonder what would happen if people start saying the felforged are not blood elves, like those that said the Nightborne were not night elves.. all because they come of distinctive to how they had perceived blood elves before.. never mind all the signs of blood elf fel mastery though the Illidari and the warlocks under Illidan. And let's face it, the Illidari are already fleforged elves essentially - felforged night elves and blood elves, so how would you distinguish them? See the problem? It's already ben done. Be thankfully blood elves were picked to join night elves in the demon hunter story -seeing how you like it so much and liek hte blood elves.

I can just see the same arguments over and over again.

[Tanaria]

I think you have gotten a bit too hung up on up on this this, especially your sense of what is fair.. which is ironically since you criticise me for pointing out Night elves are owed something back for losing Suramar, the Nightborne and Teldrassil. or void elves are owed their own zone and raid tier - remember that topic? You spend so much time convincing me they are owed nothing, because you don't want them to have anything, then go out of your way to literally demand they get something to make them more of a special snowflake.

Look.. I'm actually not opposed to blood elves getting a direction that makes them a lot fel like. It won't be Illidari - that's already a night elf thing, but i can be something similar to what the void elves got for being void. I don't think it's necessary though, you do that sort of thing for a new allied race or sub-race, you don't' really convert a main race that has multiple facets to hone in powerfully on one. What about the fans who liked the other bits you are now discarding and it was their reason for picking blood elves or even buying TBC?


But then who am I to say huh? They honed in powerfully on the light with Liadrin, the SUnwell, Naaru etc, but it wasn't at the expense of the arcane or the other skills of blood elves. They didn't make them Lightforged, although they could have that option. Perhaps fel forged for blood elves? Yet still even with that, I don't think it would be a good idea to make all the blood elves felforged. So if not felforged would then be a sub-group of it's own that's part of the blood elves, akin to an allied race. But I wonder what would happen if people start saying the felforged are not blood elves, like those that said the Nightborne were not night elves.. all because they come of distinctive to how they had perceived blood elves before.. never mind all the signs of blood elf fel mastery though the Illidari and the warlocks under Illidan. And let's face it, the Illidari are already fleforged elves essentially - felforged night elves and blood elves, so how would you distinguish them? See the problem? It's already ben done. Be thankfully blood elves were picked to join night elves in the demon hunter story -seeing how you like it so much and liek hte blood elves.

I can just see the same arguments over and over again.

Your the only one talking about the Illidari. They have nothing to do with this.

I only mention Kayn as an overall "fel" based story for the blood elves; but a Warlock overall story is better. Shinfel is the main character I'd like for this. She isn't involved with a night elf.

I do think the Illidari should go to their respective nations with Kayn and Kor'vas involved with the Blood Elves and Night Elves respectively, but as far as Warlocks go - it's the Blood Elves who have a respectable named character with a lot of power behind her. Warlock stuff should go to the three races where fel and demonic magic was most visible. Man'ari, Orcs and Blood Elves. Yes, it's shared, but it gives the Blood Elves an arc which is akin to the Night Elf Druidism. It's something specific and is only for them, but also lends itself to them being a magical / sorcery based race, as per their introduction.

The Sunwell being part Light and Arcane, doesn't stop Shinfel from being Shinfel.

In case you've forgotten - this is the character in question:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shinfel_Blightsworn

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Also - a female leading the Blood Elf Warlocks would lend itself nicely to the Warcraft 3 Sorceress units. A story where these women have taken their advanced knowledge and mastery of the arcane to new heights with their control over fel magic.

[Rhlor]

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Really tanaria? i'm trying to say blodo elves are as good as night elve,s and you are not wrong in thinking they are better even if I would disagree is what I'm saying.


Tanaria, blood elves are a magical race, because night elves are a magical race, blood elves are derived from night elves and are a more humanised elven race, this is why night elves are made to appear even more magical Their arcane usage is more extreme, their nature usage more extreme, their fel usage more extreme. However this doesn't mean that blood elves aren't magical and cannot grow to match night elves. The whole point of playable characters is that the heroes can rise to the highest height regardless of what their race is either good at or believed capable. Partly because blizzard doesn't like you feeling that you're better than another player because of your race, but because of your skills [everyone has a fair chance]. Yet, they neither want every race to be the same, so while an individual can rise to any level, races can be at very different stages, states and varying strengths in multiple areas. So every race has something incredible about them, at lest one or if a bigger race, several areas about them - they want you to feel special in a race for the things about that race.. and so they give those race things, different things, or rather different combinations and then different expressions of those things within themselves. But to be honest it's more the story and aesthetics that is the biggest distinguishing factor for races, not who is better at fel or arcane. Elves do have the magic card, this is why high elves and night elves have many things in common

Humans do it all the time, just because on the whole they are less magically juiced up than elves on average hasn't stopped human sorcerers rising tot he top of the ladder. Magical greats are Azshara, Illidan, Aegewyn, Medivh - Khadgar, Jaina, other less well known greats at magic are Prince Faronids, Antonidas, Rommath, Kael'thas, Elisande, Mordant Evenshade. Aethas Sunreaver, Anasterian Sunstrider, Darth'remar, Xavius.


Fel stuff can never be primarily just blood elves, because Orcs, Night elves, Eredar were already set up quite great with them before the blood elves got into it. After all, it the night elves via Illidan who teach the blood elves Fel, and his Fel usage is a match to the legion lords themselves who are Eredar, i.e. Draenei folk. Not to mention the orcs and the likes of Gul'dan and the shadow Council who were the driving the force of the orcs that nearly conquered Azeroth (EK only at the time).

Blood elves can rise to be great at fel, but they can never be the only ones good at it , they were added to it. Night elves are no longer the only one great at nature, Tauren were added, then Worgen who have it in their stability make up, Trolls too. Because night elves are great it, when eventually Nightborne, blood elves and void elves can be druids, they will be great it because of that connection.

Blizzard do not restrict much to one race. Much of the Elune magic, while we know it's the hallmark of the kaldorei preistesses and shal'dorei ones now, is actually available to many of the races through the druid class, so while not all of it is shared, a powerful piece is.

Elune no longer sits as just the goddess of the night elves, many worlds we are told worship her which makes sense if she actually is one, and on Azeroth, the Thalassian elves may have rejected her, but do you think void elves won't be drawn to her once more? Already we know both Nightborne and some Worgen already do her thing.. but Priesthood is not unique to night elves, just that star/moon magic.

Star moon magic is the part of their magecrat, priestcraft as well as druidcraft that is unique to them only. It is the only thing that is. Nature magic isn't unique to them and it is in the night elf version of their classes . But Star/moon magic is a part of ARCANE magic. So it's not arcane magic that is unique to night elves, even though they are the ones that started the mage class, but it's the prolific use of the satrs and moon that is.

What you are asking for for Fel to be unique to blood elves is like asking for ARCANE magic to be unique to night elves, or nature magic to be, - blizzard just haven't done this Tanaria. Maybe a certain portion of fel magic can be unique to blood elves.. but star magic was given to night elves as part of their inception, and there from the start. This would be added to blood elves. but for just fel magic? you saying it should be removed from night elven demon hunters, from Draenei man'ari Eredar, form orcs? it's too late, it's already in their lore, we going to some how burn the ability out of them and say they no longer can so blood elves can be unique? This is not how blizzard makes races unique. Please note how they do it. It's only elf players, and blood elf players that seem to do this, first it was nature magic should be a night elf thing only while arcane magic a blood elf thing only - not even thinking that this would mean erasing night elf lore, and cutting off blood elves from other things, not to mention how do you account for humans, forsaken , trolls and others who can now use the magic? Blizzard stepped away from one class or magic type only available to one race. They won't go back.


It is also not universally popular, you people like @Rhlor very adamant that blood elves have no part in fel or undeath despite the lore. He likes the high elf version of them. When blizzard did give them fel and mostly walked it back - (we don't even see Rommath use it, and it only reappeared with demon hunters) there was no outcry for it.

Blood elves already got a fel infusion for them, we could have used that to claim their dominance, but it was walked back, and on the forums the blood elf fans are divided. Fans like yourself and @Ardensao are all for it, but equally there are others who entirely deny it.

Look I'm not saying blood elves shouldn't, just that they wouldn't be given this. Not at last without another "evolution" i.e. mutation like happened

I agree that in nature the night elves are the best. but the blood elves repeatedly proved to be better at using arcane magic until the nightbirne are impressed by the power of the blood elves.
As for light, without a doubt the blood elves are better than the night elves, their power comes from the sunwell and they have a culture based on light and the sun.
About void elves in forgiveness I think they are going to worship a non-evil void lord since Natalie Seline was in a place in the void that was very nice.
and I think that now the best users of fel are the manari. Fel was never an important part of Quelthalas society.

[Tanaria]

[QUOTE=Rhlor;54276255]

I agree that in nature the night elves are the best. but the blood elves repeatedly proved to be better at using arcane magic until the nightbirne are impressed by the power of the blood elves.
As for light, without a doubt the blood elves are better than the night elves, their power comes from the sunwell and they have a culture based on light and the sun.
About void elves in forgiveness I think they are going to worship a non-evil void lord since Natalie Seline was in a place in the void that was very nice.
and I think that now the best users of fel are the manari. Fel was never an important part of Quelthalas society.

Fel might not have been the most important part; however we can't simply ignore that one of the best Warlocks around currently is a Blood Elf and she is possibly the best elven Warlock on Azeroth, at present.

Blood Elves need something beyond doing everything the Humans and Night Elves do. Having the only named Warlock Guild, coupled with potentially having the best Elven Warlock alive to date, it sets up a story, where Blood Elves can have a stage set, where it feels Thalassian, but also feels their own. Fel Crystals and the Illidari could also help.

[Rhlor]

[QUOTE=Tanaria;54276274]

Fel might not have been the most important part; however we can't simply ignore that one of the best Warlocks around currently is a Blood Elf and she is possibly the best elven Warlock on Azeroth, at present.

Blood Elves need something beyond doing everything the Humans and Night Elves do. Having the only named Warlock Guild, coupled with potentially having the best Elven Warlock alive to date, it sets up a story, where Blood Elves can have a stage set, where it feels Thalassian, but also feels their own. Fel Crystals and the Illidari could also help.

I think differently in any case now the alliance has playable demons

[Ardenaso]

I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere else in the thread, but how would y'all feel about Alliance High Elves (and Horde Ogres) in a Classic+ expansion?

better if it would be Warcraft 3 purist with 4 factions instead of just 2

[Ereb]

Lol, didn't Ion basically spend an entire stream callously making fun of all the players who were asking for High Elves and ended it with something along the lines of, "we already have High Elves in WoW, they're called Blood Elves"?

And now in this thread people are posting pics of their blood elves w blue eyes posing as high elves LMAO

Guess he was right

[Lecadre]

And now in this thread people are posting pics of their blood elves w blue eyes posing as high elves LMAO

Guess he was right

Void Elves could already do that anyway, if you pick the regular skin (non-gray) and blue eyes theyre just highe lves

[Schwert]

High Elves are a sub race to both Blood and Void Elves.
Same with Darkfallen / San'layn.

People really gotta just chill out on these things already. It's exhausting.

[Thalassian Bob]

Brace yourselves... The "Vereesa"s are coming...

[Ardenaso]

not sure if I already posted this here but...

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads...usader.351541/


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(because somehow a third High Elf in the Scarlet Crusade with Demon Hunter animations is gonna be good)

[allegrian]

I think Blizzard could merge VE, BE and HE in a single neutral race in midnight in a neutral Silvermoon. In a world where the horde is welcomed to the new NE home and have neutral dwarves, "reuniting the elven tribes" could very well mean something like that.