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    This wonderful thread needs to revive in some way

    Alliance High elves ! Show your face and your outfit !

    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post

    It is a shame we haven't seen much of a connection between VE and NE contrasted to NB and BE. There's just such an obvious overlap in their use of shadows and darkness.
    It is a shame, i suspect it's simply because blizzard aren't that motivated to explore and enrichen the alliance.

    they just aren't, too much evidence points to this. I have seen a lot more put into Nightborne and blood elves than i have seen on any alliance race with another outside humans. Granted some races have a lot more lore to them, like Dark iron dwarves and Mag'har orcs, who've bene with us for ages, or Zandalari, and even Kul'tiran if you go back to the strategy games. But void elves have next to nothing, and night elves were just not developed with having allies. I men worgen were thrown in how many years after cataclysm, draenei ignored, and the obvious connections with void elves, completely blanked.

    But I'm sure you didn't mention it for a moan, you are right, it would be interesting to see.. I've always felt that he high elf side aligned to the ren'dorei would be the ones heavily involved with humans and we could see the more void orientated void elves quite heavily involved with the night elves, I mean they'd be so interested in Elune now after the night warrior ritual, and the perfect candidates to join the night elven druids dealing with the nightmare and protecting Azeroth (there isn't a more lore appropriate path to void elven druids than this that is far more exciting than - "oh void elves experimenting with the void and nature learn how to become druids - i will never forget and always cringe at how orcs became mages - may it never be repeated - although sadly, lately they are just unlocking the options, no fan fare, so i guess it's going to be worse.) Then the obvious Highborne connection - which i think could also be quite interesting.. because with Nightborne, it was more like meeting a new race for the first time - since the kaldorei who'd locked themselves up in Suramar, were completely detached form all the changes that had happened to night elves post sundering.

    however here it's difference, here there can be a story of reconciliation, while Shen'dralar were also removed from interactions, they were at least aware, and then Darnassian Highborne were very much a part of what went down 7,000 years ago, so there is an interesting story to be told, throw in the Farondis to, you can have an embrace of lost kin but also tensions too - .. then off course there is a shared goal - the Shen'dralar are far more into restoring the glory of the kaldorei and the arcane wonders they were the main developers of, to this end they'd be pushing for unity of Highborne kind, versus the others who might not care - i mean i could go on .. there is a lot of stuff in the existing lore that could make a lot of interesting developments but also far more motivating ones - they've got interesting things to do with all the night elven groups:

    Illidari - they have an exploration of demons connection with the twisting nether and the void as well as shared resilience to resisting dark powers
    Order of Elune - here they would be very interested in the night warrior , you have potential for the Order to be suspicious too, a tug of war between learning independently and joining the order which may lead some void elves to join the order while others just wanting to learn/study and the exploration of that - Tyrande's reaction as she would be the one teaching control of this power now she has managed it after the shadowlands events and off course what Elune hast o say o - which opens up the order to Thalassians can be a big story point
    Druids - so much development hear, can tell druids' reluctance to employ void powers, but then being convinced of a need seeing how void elves can wield this power -could write an interesting story on how void elves prove to druids how effective their knowledge is in manipulating the void to prevent it harming the dream or even teaching Azeroth to withstand the void effectively - they'd have void elves heavily into research of the void on nature, and you could have druids and even Highborne who've been researching this but unable to make much progress until the void elves enter.

    in all these there is potential, because there is opportunity for a struggle that can result in something good or strong bonds coming through, and it doesn't have to be unilateral love, it's more interesting when some bond really strongly, but others have an even bigger wedge between them.. part of a good story is the struggle to get to the "good" place, and the complex interactions between Thalassian and night elves provide this an excellent opportunity.

    it is also a chance to tell a healing story between the two. While the blood elves can provide the "hate story" between Thalassians and night elves, there is also a healing and friendship story to be told.. there is still the reconciliation of Tyrande's friendliness to Darth'remar in Wc3, before TBC painted the two races as hated enemies which was obviously done to strengthen blood elf ties with the horde - easier to accept if blood elves really hate an alliance race.. os they ramped up the blood elf/night elf hate by 10 for this reason. But now, they can fix a bit of that by exploring the others side through a much more interesting friendship story that develops. It would be a good place to also show the Order of Elune actually has hung to a lot more of the original kaldorei identify, throughout the long vigil, versus the druidic side that went full "monk" zen state in nature, which has always been it's thing. While this hasn't been mentioned specifically, it is an opportunity to reveal more about that time and the Order itself, and perhaps show why Tyrande has always been more open to Highborne, kaldorei civilization, etc, and even the demon hunters.. it's more than divine foresight or compassion, it has to do with how the order stirred kaldorei society and played a hand in the development of everything from the arcane to nature etc and how Azshara subtlety used her excellence to heavily skew the people in one direction that played to her strengths, but people should never forget that the priesthood were still a powerful caste and unlike nature, the priesthood was never rejected by the advanced society. They were too powerful, not to mention the empires dominance was due to the priesthood as their march was lead by the Night warrior. Also Azshara would not have been able to have such total and singular adoration if Haydene had survived etc - These are things they can expand on.

    i think this is more interesting, you start rather cool together, but adventure, necessity, desire for knowledge, and obvious commonalities eventually bring you together very strongly.. this would be a nice contrast, and it would be based on something interesting.

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    Rommath by Mr Ogre Man for Re-Reforged



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    To those who have Reforged and play Re-Reforged or at least watch their streams, it is unfortunate the the author of Re-Reforged doesn't want Dar'khan to have a hat in the custom campaign:


    top: Dar'khan by vindorei
    bottom: Dar'khan by Mr Ogre Man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    To those who have Reforged and play Re-Reforged or at least watch their streams, it is unfortunate the the author of Re-Reforged doesn't want Dar'khan to have a hat in the custom campaign:


    top: Dar'khan by vindorei
    bottom: Dar'khan by Mr Ogre Man
    Dude top Dar'khan looks so sick! Like I get it, his look on the manga was so out of left field and the bottom one better reflects in game depictions, but still!

    Still unsure why HS made him a redhead, but I do like how the bottom model does try to mix his official appearances. As much as I like manga Dar'khan, that Sylvanas will always baffle me.
    Last edited by MyWholeLifeIsThunder; 2023-06-16 at 07:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Dude top Dar'khan looks so sick! Like I get it, his look on the manga was so out of left field and the bottom one better reflects in game depictions, but still!

    Still unsure why HS made him a redhead, but I do like how the bottom model does try to mix his official appearances. As much as I like manga Dar'khan, that Sylvanas will always baffle me.
    I definitely dislike the WoW and Re-Reforged designs; I think the hat provides him with a kind of sinister flamboyance, and breaks uniquely from the fairly generic robes in WarCraft art.
    Last edited by Le Conceptuel; 2023-06-16 at 08:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I definitely dislike the WoW and Re-Reforged designs; I think the hat provides him with a kind of sinister flamboyance, and breaks uniquely from the fairly generic robes in WarCraft art.
    which Re-Reforged design do you dislike? I made Zar'jira and Benedict, if none I could take your feedback to the modeling team (no malice intended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I definitely dislike the WoW and Re-Reforged designs; I think the hat provides him with a kind of sinister flamboyance, and breaks uniquely from the fairly generic robes in WarCraft art.
    Oh yeah the manga one *is better* but it really doesn't fit with other official depictions. And although manga Sylvanas baffles me, it IS a cool design, it just, doesn't look anything like her in any other depiction.

    So yeah, the manga designs are cooler as designs -and I'm glad Kalec's made it almost unchanged- but the thing is they don't really align with other canon depictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    which Re-Reforged design do you dislike? I made Zar'jira and Benedict, if none I could take your feedback to the modeling team (no malice intended)
    I was speaking in regards to the Mr. Ogre Man design for Dar'khan alone. The robed, less flamboyant Dar'khan strikes me as more generic. Should I have specified a tad more? If so, I apologize. I simply think it looks a tad bit too much like any rank-and-file Necromancer instead of the kind of person who would both effectively condemn his entire country for his personal success and succeed in doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Oh yeah the manga one *is better* but it really doesn't fit with other official depictions. And although manga Sylvanas baffles me, it IS a cool design, it just, doesn't look anything like her in any other depiction.

    So yeah, the manga designs are cooler as designs -and I'm glad Kalec's made it almost unchanged- but the thing is they don't really align with other canon depictions.
    I rather dislike manga Sylvanas, actually, as her outfit there is a tad nonsensically revealing. It's only Dar'khan that I think looks particularly better in the manga, since his design in WoW is pretty much indistinguishable from any other evil sorcerer.
    Last edited by Le Conceptuel; 2023-06-16 at 09:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I rather dislike manga Sylvanas, actually, as her outfit there is a tad nonsensically revealing. It's only Dar'khan that I think looks particularly better in the manga, since his design in WoW is pretty much indistinguishable from any other evil sorcerer.
    Oh yeah, nonsensically revealing aside, it's still kick ass. Certainly is based of the kaldorei designs but with pants, so I do think it makes sense for a night elf at least. But yeah, it's not Sylvanas.



    My issue with Dar'khan's outfit is that it doesn't look thalassian at all. Again, cool design, but has no obvious aesthetic source; with the later consolidation of thalassian aesthetics in BC, Dar'khan's look just doesn't make sense from a cultural standpoint.

    The closes his look fits within the warcraft universe would be a Kul'Tiran bard or poet hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    This wonderful thread needs to revive in some way

    Alliance High elves ! Show your face and your outfit !



    Image is kinda crunchy, but I love this fantasy and mog a lot! Frost DK played as a High Elf Silver Covenant "Frostfencer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I was speaking in regards to the Mr. Ogre Man design for Dar'khan alone. The robed, less flamboyant Dar'khan strikes me as more generic. Should I have specified a tad more? If so, I apologize. I simply think it looks a tad bit too much like any rank-and-file Necromancer instead of the kind of person who would both effectively condemn his entire country for his personal success and succeed in doing so.
    oh that's fine; but yeah same the cool hat is one of his biggest identifiers for me
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    That Dar'khan model is giving me life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    To those who have Reforged and play Re-Reforged or at least watch their streams, it is unfortunate the the author of Re-Reforged doesn't want Dar'khan to have a hat in the custom campaign:


    top: Dar'khan by vindorei
    bottom: Dar'khan by Mr Ogre Man
    darkhan look awesome!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    To those who have Reforged and play Re-Reforged or at least watch their streams, it is unfortunate the the author of Re-Reforged doesn't want Dar'khan to have a hat in the custom campaign:


    top: Dar'khan by vindorei
    bottom: Dar'khan by Mr Ogre Man
    Man I wanted to see the Hat Style Version of Dar'khan.
    High Elves and Wildhammer Dwarves are finally playable in the Alliance. XD

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    Lol, didn't Ion basically spend an entire stream callously making fun of all the players who were asking for High Elves and ended it with something along the lines of, "we already have High Elves in WoW, they're called Blood Elves"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUMB APE View Post
    Lol, didn't Ion basically spend an entire stream callously making fun of all the players who were asking for High Elves and ended it with something along the lines of, "we already have High Elves in WoW, they're called Blood Elves"?
    Yes, and few years later he said they want to expand racial customizations to allow players better reflect who their character is. We also got high elf hair and skin colors years ago, so it is now quite late to join the party "blood elves are real high elves". It is no longer valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DUMB APE View Post
    Lol, didn't Ion basically spend an entire stream callously making fun of all the players who were asking for High Elves and ended it with something along the lines of, "we already have High Elves in WoW, they're called Blood Elves"?
    you're late for like 4 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotrip View Post
    So now that high elves are in Alliance, and Void Elves took all the "old school" Blood Elf tropes back to the Alliance, I'm curious what you all think about Blood Elves as a race right now. With the new customization options they're literally just Horde High Elves now, but I sort of wish they had more going on than that...
    We have a light elves theme. It would be great to have more light customization like the lightforged draenei

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    We have a light elves theme. It would be great to have more light customization like the lightforged draenei
    They could generally need some more customization. Male Blood Elves god nice beards, but I really would have prefered tattoos over the jewelry female night elves got. Also their new hairstyles being rather lackluster, I really just want some really long hair for female blood elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    They could generally need some more customization. Male Blood Elves god nice beards, but I really would have prefered tattoos over the jewelry female night elves got. Also their new hairstyles being rather lackluster, I really just want some really long hair for female blood elves.
    new skins and light-themed tattoos

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