Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Pyrophax]

With the latest development of Neutral Gilneas, there is no doubt left that the Thalassian people will reunite in Midnight, which will also mean that Quel'Thalas and whatever is left of Silvermoon will become Neutral and open up to the Alliance too.

Where did you find your Neutral Gilneas? Is there some Horde NPCs? Or flighpath? Or maybe portal to Orgrimmar? Maybe orcs are living there?
Or Capital of Lordaeron now neutral bc some Alliance characters help liberate it?

It is natural; it is logical. Long before Thrall was conceptualized by Metzen, long before his "New Horde" was a thing, Silvermoon was a founding member of the Alliance of Lordaeron.

Heh, now its your time to be disappointed. Alliance of Lordaeron is no more, more that that - Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas are in Horde now.
There is Grand Alliance - Stormwind, Gilneas, Kul-Tiras, Khaz-Modan and NE with draenei. They are not the same. And Grand Alliance have no home in Quel'Thalas.

The Alliance is coming home in Midnight. The High Elves are coming home in Midnight.

And by current development - Alliance comes, Alliance helps, "ok Alliance, thx, see you, have a nice day" and then Alliance fly away. "Its not ours victory to celebrate". /s

And btw High Elves are home - real citizens of Quel'Thalas, not Dalaran outcasts and tentacle exiles. Maybe they will be allowed to build a hat or two for them in Ghostlands or near Zul'Aman. But real High elves - with name of Blood Elves will have Silvermoon, will have Quel'Danas and all the way to at least Ban'dinoriel.

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Where did you find your Neutral Gilneas? Is there some Horde NPCs? Or flighpath? Or maybe portal to Orgrimmar? Maybe orcs are living there?
Or Capital of Lordaeron now neutral bc some Alliance characters help liberate it?



Heh, now its your time to be disappointed. Alliance of Lordaeron is no more, more that that - Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas are in Horde now.
There is Grand Alliance - Stormwind, Gilneas, Kul-Tiras, Khaz-Modan and NE with draenei. They are not the same. And Grand Alliance have no home in Quel'Thalas.


And by current development - Alliance comes, Alliance helps, "ok Alliance, thx, see you, have a nice day" and then Alliance fly away. "Its not ours victory to celebrate". /s

And btw High Elves are home - real citizens of Quel'Thalas, not Dalaran outcasts and tentacle exiles. Maybe they will be allowed to build a hat or two for them in Ghostlands or near Zul'Aman. But real High elves - with name of Blood Elves will have Silvermoon, will have Quel'Danas and all the way to at least Ban'dinoriel.

Wrong, Metzen stated that the Alliance of Lordaeron and the Grand Alliance are one and the same.

It really shows that you have never played Alliance.

So this is the Alliance of Lordaeron symbol:




And this is the WoW Alliance (aka Alliance of Lordaeron)'s symbol:






Are they the same Alliance? Gee, I wonder, it's truly a mystery. /s

The Alliance Elves (Alleria, Vereesa, Umbric, Auric Sunchaser, and so on) are simply those who remained loyal until the very end to their allegiance, instead of throwing it all in the trash can at the first test of loyalty.

Fun fact: Alleria (WC2:BtDP) and Vereesa (Day of the Dragon) predate Sylvanas (WCIII: ROC) and Kael'Thas (WC3: TFT). Sylvanas and Kael'Thas are NOT the OGs of Quel'Thalas; it is Alleria and Vereesa. The Alliance has the OGs.

World of Warcraft: Midnight, the Homecoming.

As for Gilneas, it is Neutral. Play the questline.

[Pyrophax]

Wrong, Metzen stated that the Alliance of Lordaeron and the Grand Alliance are one and the same.

And by chance you have proof of that? Or headcanon? Is Dark Horde is the same as new one? Or is Night Elf lands - Zin'Azshari empire?
And why there is no Arathi Empire? Its same predecessor organization as Alliance of Lordaeron.

It really shows that you have never played Alliance.

And you didn't answer - is it count that Capital of Lordaeron is neutral if some Alliance folks help cleanse it? So if not - Gilneas is and will be Grand Alliance territory. Overwise dont expect full houses of exiles and betrayers in Silvermoon.

World of Warcraft: Midnight, the Homecoming.

Yep, Horde get new and shiny capital, Alliance can watch.

As for Gilneas, it is Neutral. Play the questline.

That is not the answer. I repeat - Is there some Horde NPCs? Or flighpath? Or maybe portal to Orgrimmar? Maybe orcs are living there? Or maybe Forsaken are still "living" there? Oh yea, they are not. Or Amirdrassil have it?

[Varodoc]

And by chance you have proof of that? Or headcanon? Is Dark Horde is the same as new one? Or is Night Elf lands - Zin'Azshari empire?
And why there is no Arathi Empire? Its same predecessor organization as Alliance of Lordaeron.

Metzen's Word (aka Word of God) > Your headcanon.

Also funny how Blood Elf fans blame the WoW Alliance for Garithos or Arthas, while simultaneously claiming that they are not the same Alliance as WC3.

Yep, Horde get new and shiny capital, Alliance can watch.

If you seriously believe this, well, what can I say? Prepare to be disappointed. There's really nothing much left to say.

[Pyrophax]

Metzen's Word (aka Word of God) > Your headcanon.

Also funny how Blood Elf fans blame the WoW Alliance for Garithos or Arthas, while simultaneously claiming that they are not the same Alliance as WC3.

In perfect world - you can bring quote of it, if you so sure about that. Without it - Alliance of Lordaeron was predecessor organization to Grand Alliance, same as Arathi Empire was predecessor to Alliance of Lordaeron.

If you seriously believe this, well, what can I say? Prepare to be disappointed. There's really nothing much left to say.

I believe that Silvermoon comes to Alliance is your headcanon, there is almost zero info about expansion that comes after next one. Will Alliance help blood elfs in their Silvermoon? Sure. Will it cause blood elves "confess" (its Alliance that must do it) and go to Alliance, dye roofs blue and kick all Horde members from city? Guess that, how about no? Blood Elves was, is and will be in Horde until the Horde will be disbanded.

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In perfect world - you can bring quote of it, if you so sure about that. Without it - Alliance of Lordaeron was predecessor organization to Grand Alliance, same as Arathi Empire was predecessor to Alliance of Lordaeron.


I believe that Silvermoon comes to Alliance is your headcanon, there is almost zero info about expansion that comes after next one. Will Alliance help blood elfs in their Silvermoon? Sure. Will it cause blood elves "confess" (its Alliance that must do it) and go to Alliance, dye roofs blue and kick all Horde members from city? Guess that, how about no? Blood Elves was, is and will be in Horde until the Horde will be disbanded.

I do not agree with all Varodoc said (we know both Gilneas and Bel'Ameth aren't neutral).

But yeah, ofc Silvermoon will go neutral.

Blood elves will always be a core Horde race. But Silvermoon as a Horde capital will not last forever.

Void and High elves are exiled for now.

But when they'll fight for Quel'Thalas, do not expect them to leave just after.

[Varodoc]

In perfect world - you can bring quote of it, if you so sure about that. Without it - Alliance of Lordaeron was predecessor organization to Grand Alliance, same as Arathi Empire was predecessor to Alliance of Lordaeron.

Blizzcon 2013, Opening Ceremony, the Creator himself, Minutes 6:55-7:00




The WoW Alliance IS the Alliance of Lordaeron.

The Creator > Your fanfiction

And everyone should listen to this video, because Metzen was so right about this playerbase. So many people who claim to be "Warcraft fans" and yet have never played the ORIGINAL trilogy (WC1-WC2:ToD;WC2:BtDP).

So many so-called "Warcraft fans" who don't know that Silvermoon was a founding member of the Alliance.

So many so-called "Warcraft fans" who don't know that Alleria and Vereesa, NOT Sylvanas and Kael'Thas; the Alliance loyalists, NOT the disloyal villains, are the true OGs of Quel'Thalas.

Let this be reminder that the DNA of WoW comes from the original trilogy (WC1; WC2+Expansion). The DNA of Warcraft is, and will always be, Alliance Quel'Thalas.

I believe that Silvermoon comes to Alliance is your headcanon, there is almost zero info about expansion that comes after next one. Will Alliance help blood elfs in their Silvermoon? Sure. Will it cause blood elves "confess" (its Alliance that must do it) and go to Alliance, dye roofs blue and kick all Horde members from city? Guess that, how about no? Blood Elves was, is and will be in Horde until the Horde will be disbanded.

This is the anomaly, a mistake that should have never happened, a result of the WoW team trying to please the Asian playerbase who wanted pretty race in the ugly faction and not consulting with Metzen.

Metzen in WC3 stated that the Blood Elves escaped to Outland with Kael'Thas.

The existence of TBC Quel'Thalas in the first place is a retcon that the WoW team pulled out of desperation to please a portion of the fandom, irrespective of Metzen's craft with the RTS series.

[Pyrophax]

But when they'll fight for Quel'Thalas, do not expect them to leave just after.

Maybe they will fight. Maybe Void Elves cause Void crisis in a first place. To be so sure about "unification of Elves" and what is that mean - we must wait to real announcement of Midnight.
My bet (all I can have now - is my opinion after all) - Alleria cause crisis, either coming to Sunwell and corrupt it again or lead Void assult to Quel'Thalas as most powerfull sourse of Light magic in Azeroth. And player Void Elves will just solve problems that was caused by their leader.
Same as Forsaken did with Gilneas and Capital. Or Horde with Ammirdrasil. And after that - will either leave to Telogrus or that part of Lordaeron north of Stratholme. Dalaran high elves maybe receive right to come without being instakilled. As Horde characters comes to Bel'Ameth. Lorewise ofc, not gameplay wise.

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Watch the clip, my words are still true. And Grand Alliance - reborned Alliance of Lordaeron - that is true indeed - have not and will not have Quel'Thalas in their ranks.

So many so-called "Warcraft fans" who don't know that Silvermoon was a founding member of the Alliance.

So many so-called "Warcraft fans" who don't know that Alleria and Vereesa, NOT Sylvanas and Kael'Thas; the Alliance loyalists, NOT the disloyal villains, are the true OGs of Quel'Thalas.

And that was bold. Any who did not agree with you are auto- "Warcraft fans" so their opinion dont count? ITs what you saying?
Marvelous.

This is the anomaly, a mistake that should have never happened, a result of the WoW team trying to please the Asian playerbase who wanted pretty race in the ugly faction and not consulting with Metzen.

Metzen in WC3 stated that the Blood Elves escaped to Outland with Kael'Thas.

The existence of TBC Quel'Thalas in the first place is a retcon that the WoW team pulled out of desperation to please a portion of the fandom, irrespective of Metzen's craft with the RTS series.

Same anomaly as Worgens in Alliance. They were result of trying to put more feral races to Alliance.
Same anomaly as Void Elves that should not exist in a first place. Futile try to give alliance their lolypop - blood elves. One that they cry so loud after 20+ years.
And your argument is? Maybe unification of Elves meant unification of Blood Elves, Sunfury+Scryers+Thalassian ones. All you have is 4 words - Unification of elven tribes. And director of World of Warcraft said that if you wanna lotr elves - Horde is there for you. Like it or not.

[Varodoc]

We will probably see a surge of Human and Night Elf roleplayers once Silvermoon goes Neutral in Midnight.

I expect that the RP scene will flourish with the arrival of the Human RPers in Silvermoon. It will be like LOTR all over again, so exciting!

[elbleuet]

Maybe they will fight. Maybe Void Elves cause Void crisis in a first place. To be so sure about "unification of Elves" and what is that mean - we must wait to real announcement of Midnight.
My bet (all I can have now - is my opinion after all) - Alleria cause crisis, either coming to Sunwell and corrupt it again or lead Void assult to Quel'Thalas as most powerfull sourse of Light magic in Azeroth. And player Void Elves will just solve problems that was caused by their leader.
Same as Forsaken did with Gilneas and Capital. Or Horde with Ammirdrasil. And after that - will either leave to Telogrus or that part of Lordaeron north of Stratholme. Dalaran high elves maybe receive right to come without being instakilled. As Horde characters comes to Bel'Ameth. Lorewise ofc, not gameplay wise.

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Watch the clip, my words are still true. And Grand Alliance - reborned Alliance of Lordaeron - that is true indeed - have not and will not have Quel'Thalas in their ranks.

And that was bold. Any who did not agree with you are auto- "Warcraft fans" so their opinion dont count? ITs what you saying?
Marvelous.



Same anomaly as Worgens in Alliance. They were result of trying to put more feral races to Alliance.
Same anomaly as Void Elves that should not exist in a first place. Futile try to give alliance their lolypop - blood elves. One that they cry so loud after 20+ years.
And your argument is? .

If Alleria causes crisis, Lor'Themar would never allow Void elves to return to Quel'Thalas even if it is for aid purposes...

Maybe unification of Elves meant unification of Blood Elves, Sunfury+Scryers+Thalassian ones. All you have is 3 words - Unification of elven tribes

Blood elves story is over since one decade. Your idea would be boring as hell.

[Pyrophax]

Blood elves story is over since one decade. Your idea would be boring as hell.

And making Silvermoon neutral is even more boring.

[Varodoc]

If Alleria causes crisis, Lor'Themar would never allow Void elves to return to Quel'Thalas even if it is for aid purposes...



Blood elves story is over since one decade. Your idea would be boring as hell.

Yeah, that post makes no sense. The Blood Elves "reunification" already happened at the end of TBC, when the remaining Sunfury/Kael'Thas' loyalists rejoined Theron's people.

The root problem is that the poster in question believes only the Horde should get a storyline and a new capital. Do they even know that the Alliance exists?

[Pyrophax]

Yeah, that post makes no sense. The Blood Elves "reunification" already happened at the end of TBC, when the remaining Sunfury/Kael'Thas' loyalists rejoined Theron's people.

The root problem is that the poster in question believes only the Horde should get a storyline and a new capital. Do they even know that the Alliance exists?

storyline? Both sides ofc, if we can call it "sides" now. Capital? Horde only ofc. Or make Gilneas neutral, place there orc-auction NPC or Forsaken guards. How about that?
Or we agree that story should be for everyone, but place to live should remain separate?
Or Amirdrasill is now suddenly Horde content too? What in that story Horde gets? where in Bel'Ameth Forsaken hat? Or troll totems?

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And making Silvermoon neutral is even more boring.

Dalaran says hello

We shall see. But I think you're gonna be disappointed if you expect Blizzard to update Silvermoon and the rest of Quel'Thalas just for the Horde.

I tell you : I as an Alliance player will have access to neutral Silvermoon when Midnight comes.

[Alanar]

And making Silvermoon neutral is even more boring.

I just dont see it happening tbh.

Idk why void elves are so downplayed on danger level, but with the sunwell there is just no way or they have to retcon it that the void is no danger to the sunwell anymore.

The only way would be that the sunwell is destroyed in the process of the story and in the end the void elves HELP the blood elves and therefor are led in. Remember Alleria has already been kicked out. Just a sidenote, this was just an idea, but so far I havent seen a single blood elf fan whos excited about this take or any take really. Just interesting or typical really that high elf fans are excited for some reason ?and blood elf fans are not and its their city. Very typical.

Silvermoon and the blood elves right now have no reason to let them in. I also think the elf unification isnt exactly what * some* people think it will be. The alliance and horde have worked together many times for the greater threat. I feel like this will be no different. This now just happends to be in elf lands and associated races (elves and dreanei as well most likely) who matter here will be pressent. Night elves so far are the only elven race, who have no buisness in quel'thalas. Ever. Maybe they are just fodder in the end, but right now there is no logical reason besides just being there cus the word * elf*

I have no reason to believe they are making cities neutral or races switching sides. Thats overthinking it. Letting alliance players in with a debuff like the night elf city is something that is more likely. Which is just allianced/horde related.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I just dont see it happening tbh.

Idk why void elves are so downplayed on danger level, but with the sunwell there is just no way or they have to retcon it that the void is no danger to the sunwell anymore.

The only way would be that the sunwell is destroyed in the process of the story and in the end the void elves HELP the blood elves and therefor are led in. Remember Alleria has already been kicked out. Just a sidenote, this was just an idea, but so far I havent seen a single blood elf fan whos excited about this take or any take really. Just interesting or typical really that high elf fans are excited for some reason ?and blood elf fans are not and its their city. Very typical.

Silvermoon and the blood elves right now have no reason to let them in. I also think the elf unification isnt exactly what * some* people think it will be. The alliance and horde have worked together many times for the greater threat. I feel like this will be no different. This now just happends to be in elf lands and associated races (elves and dreanei as well most likely) who matter here will be pressent. Night elves so far are the only elven race, who have no buisness in quel'thalas. Ever. Maybe they are just fodder in the end, but right now there is no logical reason besides just being there cus the word * elf*

I have no reason to believe they are making cities neutral or races switching sides. Thats overthinking it. Letting alliance players in with a debuff like the night elf city is something that is more likely. Which is just allianced/horde related.

That's why reunification feels so unlikely to me. It's both because the anathema Void Elves are to the Sunwell, and how the political and ideological differences between Blood Elves and VE/HE just have kept on growing and solidifying through the years.

They would need to overcome both issues for reunification to even be possible. The first one could be addressed by just getting rid of the Sunwell, the second by making all Thalassians neutral, but I don't think either or both of them are things the playerbase wants.

I don't want elves to be neutral, I like that their ideologies have lead them to opposing factions, and as much as the faction conflict has been downplayed, the factions still exists, as well as the reasons why they align with them. At most I could see some of Quel'thalas becoming neutral and allowing elves to reside there regardless of political affiliation, but I don't think they can remove political ideology from either group at this point and pretend they are all the same.

Completely pushing it, it could become a Dalaran like situation in Silvermoon, with a joint neutral council for all Thalassians, with factioned areas in the city. It could work, but I wouldn't personally love it. IMO Silvermoon should remain Horde.

As for the Sunwell exploding, well, I kinda like that idea better IMO. Then we can use Quel'Danas as the neutral place for all elves regardless of faction and we get rid of the crutch that has been hindering the BE narrative for so long. But that's not true reunification because each group with remain on their factions, there would just be a place were faction doesn't matter. That's why I personally would like that the best.

[Ardenaso]

to be fair I don't think many people know about DOTD as my first knowledge of it is from that Warcraft 3 custom campaign adaptation

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And making Silvermoon neutral is even more boring.

agreed, I really prefer the Alliance Thalassians just move on and do a Dath'remar to settle in Eldre'thalas instead

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to be fair I don't think many people know about DOTD as my first knowledge of it is from that Warcraft 3 custom campaign adaptation

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agreed, I really prefer the Alliance Thalassians just move on and do a Dath'remar to settle in Eldre'thalas instead

Alliance High elves have nothing to do with Eldre Thalas on Kalimdor

[Varodoc]

to be fair I don't think many people know about DOTD as my first knowledge of it is from that Warcraft 3 custom campaign adaptation

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agreed, I really prefer the Alliance Thalassians just move on and do a Dath'remar to settle in Eldre'thalas instead

That's not how Metzen writes his stories.

Under Metzen's directions, races move out of their original kingdoms only after cataclysmic, apocalyptic events. (Like the Humans of Lordaeron mass-exodus during Third War, or Draenei mass-exodus from Argus, or Stormwindians mass-exodus in First War, and so on)

In Metzen's Original story, the Blood Elves mass-exodus happened after Third War/during Garithos' occupation of Dalaran. 85% of Blood Elves living in Silvermoon somehow was a WoW Dev team's asspull/retcon, they clearly did not pay attention to WC3's story.

The High Elves are not going to just suddenly decide "Oh I don't care about Quel'Thalas anymore, I want to live in Feralas!"... Unless something apocalyptic and catastrophic happens to Quel'Thalas. In which case, ALL Elves will have to move out.

[Ardenaso]

That's not how Metzen writes his stories.

Under Metzen's directions, races move out of their original kingdoms only after cataclysmic, apocalyptic events. (Like the Humans of Lordaeron mass-exodus during Third War, or Draenei mass-exodus from Argus, or Stormwindians mass-exodus in First War, and so on)

In Metzen's Original story, the Blood Elves mass-exodus happened after Third War/during Garithos' occupation of Dalaran. 85% of Blood Elves living in Silvermoon somehow was a WoW Dev team's asspull/retcon, they clearly did not pay attention to WC3's story.

The High Elves are not going to just suddenly decide "Oh I don't care about Quel'Thalas anymore, I want to live in Feralas!"... Unless something apocalyptic and catastrophic happens to Quel'Thalas. In which case, ALL Elves will have to move out.

a civil war it is then?

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Three Sisters moment captured by vindorei in Warcraft 3 Reforged (HD)


Sylvanas (c) Blizzard Entertainment and LemonSky Studios
Alleria (c) vindorei
Vereesa (c) Ardenaso (me)