Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

The idea that they're going to split hubs in Midnight is silly; they might make some of the pre-existing towns nicer, fix places like Sunsail and the villages on the shores of the Elrendar to be usable as zone questing hubs, but splitting is just unlikely (they'll probably have to dredge up the vanilla map just to justify full zones for Zul'Aman and Quel'danas). Even the idea of carving up Falconwing square to be a faction hub is ridiculous (I guess they could set up faction camps in the pavillions on the road to Sunstrider isle to make the faction warriors shut up).

IMO even the idea that they'll randomly segregate elven subgroups doesn't mesh with the reunification thing.

the alliance's base of operations can be sandalis isle as it was in TBC






We could also see some renovation of the occupied area of Hatchet Hills by farstriders and silver covenant at the gates of zulaman

[Varodoc]

Oh wow, a tiny tree-house in a random isle, that is totally comparable to Silvermoon, I am sure the Alliance playerbase will be overjoyed by the news.

Some of the takes in this thread cannot possibly be made seriously and unironically.

[Rhlor]

Oh wow, a tiny tree-house in a random isle, that is totally comparable to Silvermoon, I am sure the Alliance playerbase will be overjoyed by the news.

Some of the takes in this thread cannot possibly be made seriously and unironically.

Silvermoon is the capital of a playable horde race, it's like ironforge became neutral!!

That isle was the alliance's base of operations in tbc, I think it have updates and be a center for the alliance.

[Varodoc]

Silvermoon is the capital of a playable horde race,

Give one good reason why Blizzard Devs should care.

[Rhlor]

Give one good reason why Blizzard Devs should care.

The blood elves are the most important player base of the horde and they do not want their capital to be occupied by the alliance

[Doreidorei]

Silvermoon is the capital of a playable horde race, it's like ironforge became neutral!!

Both sides are in for a disappointment is what I hear

Anyway, Ironforge is significantly more core to the alliance (having been the capital in vanilla) than Quel'thalas to the horde (its closest alliance equivalents are the draenei and nelf capitals, one of which is already neutral).

Ironforge going neutral is equivalent to Thunder Bluff going neutral.

And both eventually will.

What they're unlikely to do is salt the earth for mmoc wc2 fans. Or noticeably segregate the city and villages for that matter.

occupied by the alliance

That's not what occupation is. I take for granted that there will be invitations and embassies (Quel'thalas has always had diplomatic back channels with the alliance, and so does Suramar probably) much as was the case for the dragon isles expedition.

Oh, also it's Shalandis island

[Aucald]

You may think so but Metzen clearly didn't, is my point. "Elven tribes of Azeroth", until we see the trailers, would suggest something far broader than whatever Quel'thalas civil war scenario these threads have theorycrafted for almost a decade.

We will see, I suppose. But I think people who are theorycrafting some dramatic shake-up in the faction status quo, or even the creation of a third faction that is neither Alliance nor Horde will come away disappointed.

[Rhlor]

Both sides are in for a disappointment is what I hear

Anyway, Ironforge is significantly more core to the alliance (having been the capital in vanilla) than Quel'thalas to the horde (its closest alliance equivalents are the draenei and nelf capitals, one of which is already neutral).

Ironforge going neutral is equivalent to Thunder Bluff going neutral.

And both eventually will.

What they're unlikely to do is salt the earth for mmoc wc2 fans. Or noticeably segregate the city and villages for that matter.



That's not what occupation is. I take for granted that there will be invitations and embassies (Quel'thalas has always had diplomatic back channels with the alliance, and so does Suramar probably) much as was the case for the dragon isles expedition.

Oh, also it's Shalandis island

Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.
making shandalis island the alliance center is logical since it is the original base of operations of the alliance in tbc

[Doreidorei]

We will see, I suppose. But I think people who are theorycrafting some dramatic shake-up in the faction status quo, or even the creation of a third faction that is neither Alliance nor Horde will come away disappointed.

I'm at least willing to admit that would be wishful thinking.

An expansion hub being neutral for matters of questing, otoh, is this game's bread and butter. Northrend Dal didn't stop being accessible to both sides after Mists, Suramar and Thunder Totem are still in questing limbo, and it's obvious that whatever they seem to be doing with Amirdrassil, Gilneas and Undercity, it's involving both sides.

Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.

That has never mattered to the devs.

[Varodoc]

The blood elves are the most important player base of the horde and they do not want their capital to be occupied by the alliance

I must have missed the official announcement that you were elected as the spokesman representative of the Blood Elf community.

You speak for yourself and yourself alone, no one else. Some people here should be reminded of that fact. You -don't know- what the consensus is.

[Mace]

Silvermoon is the capital of a playable horde race, it's like ironforge became neutral!!

That isle was the alliance's base of operations in tbc, I think it have updates and be a center for the alliance.

You forget that Shattrath, the Draneei capital was made neutral, and the designated Draenei alliance capital was a re-fitted spaceship - but no, Silvermoon can't be neutral no matter what, and nor can Suramar because there is no precedence and reason for high elves and void elves to return home - they have piece of rock world, and no reason for night elves either, they "abandoned" Suramar (which is what they call being sealed out of the city while you go to defend the very city by destroy the root cause of an invasion), and as such have no right.. so it can purely remain on the horde. a settlement is fair enough compensation

High elves and void elves need their city
night elves need their city

That's not to say that Vulpera, and Mag'har shouldn't get cities themselves -though the Mag'har have much in outland and draenor. And if Gnomes are sharing with the sub-race Mechagnomes in Mechagon, and Dark spears with the Zandalari in Dazar'alor for a major city, with the Mag'har already in Orgrimmar with the orcs - yet it is somehow preposterous for the high/void elves to share in Silvermoon with the blood elves and the Night elves to share a capital city with the Nightborne/

@Varodoc noting exists in Warcraft but to utterly please the horde and cater to its fanbase exclusively in their eyes.

[Vaedan]

Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.
making shandalis island the alliance center is logical since it is the original base of operations of the alliance in tbc

Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.

[Doreidorei]

Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.

It has its own quest chain to thin out the undead in BC and is part of the pilgrimage in the heritage quests (it's the starting point for it IIRC, it's been a while), nothing indicates that they don't care.

[Rhlor]

Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.

It is a possibility. I am very shame that blizzard does not remember that in wc3 there was a blood mage sylvos windrunner and that in the novels of the war of the ancients trilogy rhonin remembers that veressa told him that she had two brothers!! not just one.

[Vaedan]

It has its own quest chain to thin out the undead in BC and is part of the pilgrimage in the heritage quests (it's the starting point for it IIRC, it's been a while), nothing indicates that they don't care.

In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.

[Ersula]

In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.

I think you can chalk that up to bad writing. So much for Blizzard employing "lore masters."

In TBC, Forsaken & Blood Elves start with higher rep with each other than the rest of the horde.
In Seige of Orgrimmar, Lorethemar & Sylvanas hate each other.
In Legion & Battle for Lordaeron, they like each other again.
Post Shadowlands, he's ambivalent to her.

[Rhlor]

In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.

It will surely continue to be a place of pilgrimage despite Sylvanas's betrayal of the horde, because all the fallen are commemorated, not just Sylvanas.

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You forget that Shattrath, the Draneei capital was made neutral, and the designated Draenei alliance capital was a re-fitted spaceship - but no, Silvermoon can't be neutral no matter what, and nor can Suramar because there is no precedence and reason for high elves and void elves to return home - they have piece of rock world, and no reason for night elves either, they "abandoned" Suramar (which is what they call being sealed out of the city while you go to defend the very city by destroy the root cause of an invasion), and as such have no right.. so it can purely remain on the horde. a settlement is fair enough compensation

High elves and void elves need their city
night elves need their city

That's not to say that Vulpera, and Mag'har shouldn't get cities themselves -though the Mag'har have much in outland and draenor. And if Gnomes are sharing with the sub-race Mechagnomes in Mechagon, and Dark spears with the Zandalari in Dazar'alor for a major city, with the Mag'har already in Orgrimmar with the orcs - yet it is somehow preposterous for the high/void elves to share in Silvermoon with the blood elves and the Night elves to share a capital city with the Nightborne/

@Varodoc noting exists in Warcraft but to utterly please the horde and cater to its fanbase exclusively in their eyes.

Please, Blizzard fulfilled all the demands of the alliance with the void elves!! They have even more skin colors than blood elves!! and the nightborne are one of the allied races with less customization! We can be warlock but without having felborne customization.

They gave the alliance the model of the most played race of the horde and they gave it all the customizations they wanted and they gave us an allied race that we didn't ask for with very little customization.

Now they also want to have our cities!!

[Alanar]

Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.

We still have Gilneas and Stratholme could also be an option.

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High elves and void elves need their city
night elves need their city

It's not their city.

Night elves are already covered and no, they also don't need anything.

[Ardenaso]

some future ghostlands snippets:

[Vaedan]

We still have Gilneas and Stratholme could also be an option.

They could be an option, depending how Midnight will be designed. I would say Gilneas is still way too remote to Quel'thalas, which will be center piece of the expansion.

We still don't know anything though and we can only guess for next two years. It is also possible that Silvermoon will be lost and both factions will move to Dalaran, which will now hover above QT this time. Anything is possible at this point.