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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasaru View Post
    Horde has two playable races that were originally part of the Alliance in addition to that they even got a form of Night Elf in Legion, and now you're telling us they should have a fourth alliance race?
    I don't know why you edited your 3 year old reply to me but, I'm not sure how it's now the "fourth" Alliance race now

    maybe first Alliance playable race
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

    I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    Blizzard spawned yet another new High Elf NPC

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Larivi
    Ain't feeling threatened. I know that there are plenty more blood elf NPCs. Also big lol for a dead race theyre evrywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    They’ve always been just horde high elves. This is what TBC did to them.

    Blizzard wanted players to play high elves but on the horde so they would switch.

    So they mostly killed off the fel elf vibes, bad boy vibes, leaving just a remnant and made most of them high elf like.

    But. It was never the same. It never really felt like you were playing high elves when the horde. The vibe never meshed with trolls and orcs nor undead. Not after the WC2 and WC3 stories. Not to mention most elf lovers want to replicate the LOTR human, elf, dwarf trinity
    And if you ever doubted high elf fans are boring by large and stick to outdated concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Lor'themar first appeared in TBC, when the Story was still world-driven instead of character-driven. That's why the first two expansion cinematics focused on the adventurers instead of lore characters, that's why villains were generic, one-dimensional, and existed only for the loot, that's why the faction leaders rarely took to the field. As such, the fact that Lor'themar during his introduction was some random meme filler character is only natural. The other faction leaders (Anduin, Tyrande, Thrall, Magni, Cairne, Vol'jin, Velen, etc.) also did barely anything in the actual stories of Classic/TBC. Once WoW moved towards a more Character-driven story, in Cataclysm and MoP, Lor'themar was given a significant role to play in the Horde civil war.

    Meanwhile, Magister Umbric was introduced at the end of Legion, when Blizzard had already decided to place the characters, the faction leaders, at the centre-stage of the story. So, the fact that Magister Umbric hasn't done anything since BfA Launch (aside from a brief cameo during the Faction assaults of 8.1 and the Corrupted visions of 8.3) is unexpected, undeserved, and proof of Blizzard's bias against the Ren'dorei.
    Bob didn't do anything m He bailed last minute while his allies suffered casualties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwert View Post
    Remember when "Who?" was a meme for Lor'themar?

    About to just start doing that with Umbric until he flips a bench and gets a custom model that doesn't look like he shoved his tentacles in an electrical socket.
    Shouting at Clouds. Wow story was always character driven as we saw Velen finishing the Sunwell arc while the main character of the blood elf story was killed twice. That is real bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Ain't feeling threatened. I know that there are plenty more blood elf NPCs. Also big lol for a dead race theyre evrywhere.

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    And if you ever doubted high elf fans are boring by large and stick to outdated concepts.

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    Bob didn't do anything m He bailed last minute while his allies suffered casualties.

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    Shouting at Clouds. Wow story was always character driven as we saw Velen finishing the Sunwell arc while the main character of the blood elf story was killed twice. That is real bias.
    I guess Blizzard want wow only for those who aren't boring and do not stick to outdated concept they use all the time and rely on heavily to attract their fanbase.

    Like any concept in wow is new and we haven't seen repeated countless times in fiction over the long decades.

    Those pesky blizzard, how dare they use outdated concept such as elves, how dare they try to satisfy alliance fans, how dare they. We all know the horde is the place to be.

  4. #26444
    Quote Originally Posted by Schwert View Post
    They just need to dip hard into their totalitarian mindset, and go heavy on aesthetics with the Sunwell - Holy / Arcane / Phoenixes / Fire / Sun - ect ect.
    They can still stand on their own and have the potential to still be vicious. The overall lack of story focus on Thalassian elves gimped them a bit, which likely stems partially from the scrapped Silvermoon warfront.

    There's potential there, but it's a matter of how long do we have to wait for a customization update and any sort of story that focuses on things we already have in the game, rather than new NPC races constantly.
    The warfront was scrapped and that is good. Forcing them out of their own city every two weeks would have been the killing blow against the community after the RP died when void elves were introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I guess Blizzard want wow only for those who aren't boring and do not stick to outdated concept they use all the time and rely on heavily to attract their fanbase.

    Like any concept in wow is new and we haven't seen repeated countless times in fiction over the long decades.

    Those pesky blizzard, how dare they use outdated concept such as elves, how dare they try to satisfy alliance fans, how dare they. We all know the horde is the place to be.
    Talking about you here. There is a reason the lotr MMO isn't popular.

    If you want new Interpretations of elves look at Dragon age where they are slaves or elder scrolls where they try to unmake all human made gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    But this is just Blizzard's lore.
    Two big named lore characters state that the populaces changed.

    Now, in the current times - Night Elves have basically removed themselves from the Blood Elves and Nightborne.
    Relations aren't good between them if Tyrande and Malfurion won't pass their blessing onto Lor'themar and Thalyssra.

    It's just Blood Elves and Nightborne - otherwise, we enter into the realms of the ridiculous where people talk about Blood Elves on this thread and this is NOT where that sort of discussion should be held. The point of this entire thread is very clear and the Mods have also made it clear.
    Elisande had true Highborne attitude. Thalyssra is losing her power every time another mage challenges her being too weak to do anything.

  5. #26445
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasaru View Post
    Horde has two playable races that were originally part of the Alliance in addition to that they even got a form of Night Elf in Legion, and now you're telling us they should have a fourth alliance race?
    I will always maintain that taking high elves, but especially night elves over to the horde was a mistake.

    They should have created something new and equally attractive to make the horde more popular. Then done other system changes, not lore ones to balance out the population imbalance. Design flaw. Nearly it only took a few years, but the horde soon vastly out numbered the alliance in the elder game and the consistency of both were utterly shattered. Sure the game and races evolve etc, true, but this was not an organic evolution and it changed much.

    STill we should be grateful, if they had been really good at this, warcraft would have been even more super addictive. Can you imagine if it had been good enough to be multimedia franchise? It could have risen to the likes of Star Wars or LotR - and it would have become a religion to many of the desperate lost young men, idolising a fantasy... totally unhealthy. It was bad enough as is, the way it gripped people.

    We should be thankful, not give them more ideas to ensnare us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Talking about you here. There is a reason the lotr MMO isn't popular.

    If you want new Interpretations of elves look at Dragon age where they are slaves or elder scrolls where they try to unmake all human made gods.
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    Oh.. really? Unpopular by what measure? And why do you think that is? Because the elves you love don't stick to boring and out dated concepts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I will always maintain that taking high elves, but especially night elves over to the horde was a mistake.

    They should have created something new and equally attractive to make the horde more popular. Then done other system changes, not lore ones to balance out the population imbalance. Design flaw. Nearly it only took a few years, but the horde soon vastly out numbered the alliance in the elder game and the consistency of both were utterly shattered. Sure the game and races evolve etc, true, but this was not an organic evolution and it changed much.

    STill we should be grateful, if they had been really good at this, warcraft would have been even more super addictive. Can you imagine if it had been good enough to be multimedia franchise? It could have risen to the likes of Star Wars or LotR - and it would have become a religion to many of the desperate lost young men, idolising a fantasy... totally unhealthy. It was bad enough as is, the way it gripped people.

    We should be thankful, not give them more ideas to ensnare us.

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    Oh.. really? Unpopular by what measure? And why do you think that is? Because the elves you love don't stick to boring and out dated concepts?
    I am an elf supremacist and in those games they are basically mortal enemies.

  7. #26447
    With the high elf customization on void elves, blizzard is telling the players to just use their headcanon and play high elves using the void elves, the same applies to wildhammer dwarves using the bronzebeard dwarf race. What's weird is that neither Blood or Void elves have blue tatoo options like alleria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I will always maintain that taking high elves, but especially night elves over to the horde was a mistake.
    I agree although it makes sense to put the original magic faction of NE as the enemies to NE, although blizz is pushing for NE to befriend the original highborne. Nightborne are quite evil if you think about it (Elisande and then thalisra joining Sylvanas the burning off teldrasil).

    The thing is, elves don't fit in the Horde. I saw some dialogue of Lorthemar and Thalysra in orgrimmar, and they just look so out of place:

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  8. #26448
    Quote Originally Posted by allegrian View Post
    With the high elf customization on void elves, blizzard is telling the players to just use their headcanon and play high elves using the void elves, the same applies to wildhammer dwarves using the bronzebeard dwarf race. What's weird is that neither Blood or Void elves have blue tatoo options like alleria.


    I agree although it makes sense to put the original magic faction of NE as the enemies to NE, although blizz is pushing for NE to befriend the original highborne. Nightborne are quite evil if you think about it (Elisande and then thalisra joining Sylvanas the burning off teldrasil).

    The thing is, elves don't fit in the Horde. I saw some dialogue of Lorthemar and Thalysra in orgrimmar, and they just look so out of place:

    Shrug, it makes it doubly odd to put the Nightborne opposite to the night elves after restoring the the Highborne to the night elves. Besides the Highborne and the Nightborne are part of the night elves, and they aren't enemies too. Nah , the reason they're on the horde was favouritism, they wanted to give horde cooler stuff, same ol.. I have yet to see them actually give the alliance cooler stuff than the horde since before TBC While I have liked some of the alliance stuff, the horde have always seemed to get the better portions. This is intentional off course - originally it was too boost the horde so players will go there, but then I think somewhere on along the way, they fell in love with the works of their hands and it has felt natural , almost without thinking to do so.

    oh they've tried for the alliance, no one can deny that, but as one would do for the sister of wife, or the the next guy or girl you'd go for after the one you want is no more, or as one would do to the support you need to strengthen to help the one you really love.

    Nightbonre u-turn is incongruous, but that's because it wasn't well thought out.. it was given in flight of fancies, and they didn't care enough to make it look authentic or genuine or fair and rewarding to the alliance. They could have done, and easily. how? Elisande and her loyalists get kicked out of Suramar for their role in Legion, their lives are spared because Elisande did turn and give aid in the end. They leave with only their arcwine supplies, no fruit of the Arcan'dor.. blood elves, similarly having sided with the legion and turned away, and also eager for their strength and magical knowledge, take them in, they now live as a Nightborne colony in Silvermoon and the Sunwell helps prevent their turning to withered.

    Meanwhile, Thalyssra and the Nightfallen and all who remain take the Arcan'dor fruit.... most of these survivors were the oppressed, who were starved of arcwine, many beginning to turn into Nightfallen. The Arcan'dor heals the addiction by reversing the effects of the Nightwell, most of these get restored to health and their original night elven appearances, The city welcomes two time heroes of Suramar, lost kin who left the city to defend the world and came back to the aid of the Shal'dorei.. they are night elves now, so the alliance doesn't get the Nightborne model, but it gets a new home for night elves especially for losing Darnassus in the next expansion prepatch.. and while the horde isn't banned from Suramar.. or at last wasn't before the war of thorns, due to the aid the blood elves gave, Elisande and her group are not welcome any longer. Solved. Thalyssra's character remains intact. Horde get Nightborne model but not city. alliance get void elves same, but no Silvermoon. horde get cool new night elf sub race -by far the most important thing, alliance get something from it.

    off course, Nightborne and everything should have gone alliance. I mean, they are night elven, the Highborne are night elven, the alliance has high elves and void elves and human magi, and draenei advanced magi - they have much more in common with their fellow night elves who were form the same city and their magical wielding Highborne remnant.

    Notice how no one argues the Moonguard in Suramar or the Highborne in Eldre'thalas (Dire Maul) should join the horde and the blood elves because they are "more similar" to the blood elves.. off course they don't argue..because despite the shared history and magical love, they are night elves, so off course they should be with the night elves. So why the exception for the clearly night elf looking Nightborne? simple. Suramar.. it's pretty, Nightborne cast powerful attractive magic, they want it. Ever heard covetousness?

    it's the same that drove alliance fans to covet blood elves and want playable high elves. But in fair ness to the alliance fans, the high elves were on the alliance first and whiles a few opposed blood elves being on the horde, most consolidated with at last high elves should be playable on the alliance. But why so much desire? well because they were beautiful, and Quel'Thalas was well done. I can guarantee you they would not be as interested if it was a pile of ruins and the elves were the broken shattered people they were supposed to be. Some would have wanted them off course, but most wouldn't care. I am confident if they had upgraded the night elf model (especially the male 0 to be at least as attractive as the blood elf and Suramar had come for night elves in TBC or Cata, we'd have had less, far less cries for for high elves.

    i am also convinced if they give night elves a gorgeous capital that rivals or surpasses Suramar, and give void elves an incredible home city rather than have them wondering as refugees, the unfair treatments of the past would be forgotten, and the fans can enjoy themselves as equal rivals. currently, horde fans laugh at alliance fans for the fate of both the night elves and the void elves. often rubbing it in their faces.. it's cruel, but it happens a lot, they're smug about it and get very angry when anyone suggests some improvement for the alliance elves and go apeshit crazy when they suggest the horde group any suffering close to the ones that were written for the night elf fans or neglect of the sort the void elves experience.

    One would think that blizzard would, actually see they've done fans of these two races and the alliance faction an injustice by their treatment of their most popular race, but I won't bet on it. you actually need compassion, and desire to actually see if. If all you care about is Sylvanas and getting Lor'themar and Thalyssra together, of Baine and Calia and Lillian, you're not going to be mindful of this, and you're going to feel, a quick high octane quest like the Night warrior would be sufficient.. one that accomplishes nothing, changes nothing, and gives nothing but some cool cinematics to make up for years off either neglect or writing down.

    See blizzard have a good understanding of what a lot of fans like. The superlatives and excitement over blood elves and Suramar showed how well l oved these thing were, is it unaspiring that if you park it all on one faction the other would not desire it, especially since people who are on that faction are the ones most interested in such things? off course they would, and you would actually make them unhappy or feel hard done by by keeping them so, especially since these things come from races on their factions.. those fans will always see it as theirs. The only way one group will feel superior over the other, and the other will feel unfairly treated and hard done by. Neither is what you want at all, even if one half enjoys it. If the horde is to gloat, it should be over wining a battleground match, not in the story or art or racial composition constantly favouring them. you anger and alienate half your playerbase and this works against you as it has, providing just one more reason for people to lose interest , turn their hearts away and cut further ties that would ultimately lead them away , losing interest. No one wants to be reminded of your unfairness and bias. and even if this wasn't true for all fans, that it is for a few is enough.

    the worse are those who tell other players how they should feel, or get angry at them for feeling this way. it's hardly their fault when the developers have biased it so - they could at last show some grace to their fellow players, but in a savage and cruel fashion, they jibe, chide, mock, lookdown, no sympathy , nor compassion, and this in turn riles up the other group responding angrily, insults fly, arguments erupt, and resentment ,even against an actual human being heightens. No one comes to play or love a video game for that reason, such things destroy your community and player base, if you can prevent them by designing well and fairly for both sides then you should. if you are going to have two sides, you can't take the high elves and night elves form the alliance, and to the opposite faction, then give them the best looking assets and lands, and abilities as well as performance of those races, then swallow the other side in destruction, loss, ruins, devastation , homelessness and powerlessness and expect them to cheer or be okay. You must also give them cool victories, things to feel proud of the race they lie, give them their own or slightly better versions of their own stuff. If they won't share a city, give them another night elf city - stunning an beautiful - the lore gave them many, give them a high elf or void elf city and lands too, and lore, . All the things that night elves and high elves have in their lore done well for a change not sloppy. Whether it's well of eternity/moonwells, nature magic and Elune, Moonguard and Highborne, kaldorei cities and forests void elf and high elf ne w developments, cities and new lands, Telogrus rift development, - why not a High elf Dalaran island with their own architecture - that could be exciting. A void elf city on a greatly expanded Telogrus rift with evidence of void elf progress, void elves with nature, causing life to grow maybe even void forest.. now wouldn't that look interesting.. maybe the high elves adopt Skywall.. do something of similar par and value and they'll be fine. They'll love it even more. Now they're on par, their rivalry can continue in a friendly banter manner that enhances rather than detracts from your game.

  9. #26449
    Elves can fit anything not all strive for Tolkien purism. Also it is funny you insult others for Not being empathatic when you occasionally insult blood elf players enjoying their things at every turn to get. This victim mentality has been around for 16 years and Blizzard has done nothing to shut down the radicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegrian View Post
    With the high elf customization on void elves, blizzard is telling the players to just use their headcanon and play high elves using the void elves, the same applies to wildhammer dwarves using the bronzebeard dwarf race. What's weird is that neither Blood or Void elves have blue tatoo options like alleria.


    I agree although it makes sense to put the original magic faction of NE as the enemies to NE, although blizz is pushing for NE to befriend the original highborne. Nightborne are quite evil if you think about it (Elisande and then thalisra joining Sylvanas the burning off teldrasil).

    The thing is, elves don't fit in the Horde. I saw some dialogue of Lorthemar and Thalysra in orgrimmar, and they just look so out of place:

    Alleria has a unique model that's why. Same for Rommath. And Blizzard's done a good Job to make Bob and Walmart Elisande look feral and not regal at all like you expected elves to be. Thalyssra barley wears clothes and Bob has the attire of a fighter not a monarch. Actually Tyrande looks far more like original night elf empire society it being a mix of priest and soldier. It's in the details.

  10. #26450
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Nightbonre u-turn is incongruous, but that's because it wasn't well thought out.. it was given in flight of fancies, and they didn't care enough to make it look authentic or genuine or fair and rewarding to the alliance. They could have done, and easily. how? Elisande and her loyalists get kicked out of Suramar for their role in Legion, their lives are spared because Elisande did turn and give aid in the end. They leave with only their arcwine supplies, no fruit of the Arcan'dor.. blood elves, similarly having sided with the legion and turned away, and also eager for their strength and magical knowledge, take them in, they now live as a Nightborne colony in Silvermoon and the Sunwell helps prevent their turning to withered.
    Stop this bullshit, Mace. Your a failure at lore.

    The sin'dorei were NOT team Legion. They had no idea what the Sunfury were doing on Outland.
    They hated Elisande and would never entertain her. Your a failure at Elf lore, period.

    The Nightborne who follow Thalyssra are exactly the same as the Silvermoon, Scryer and Shattered Sun Blood Elves who follow Liadrin.
    Both stood away from Kael'thas and Elisande and vowed to fight for their people.

    So no - your story fails in every regard because Elisande dies and those who sided with her, actually RETURNED to the Horde nation of Suramar, under Thalyssra's leadership and she allowed them back.
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  11. #26451
    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Elves can fit anything not all strive for Tolkien purism. Also it is funny you insult others for Not being empathatic when you occasionally insult blood elf players enjoying their things at every turn to get. This victim mentality has been around for 16 years and Blizzard has done nothing to shut down the radicals.
    you should use reply quote if you're replaying to something I say, otherwise I may miss it. And I don't go out of my way to insult blood elf players. I am one of them. i get verbally attacked every time I post something in support of alliance elf players or alliance elf races.. looking for solutions to issues or just thing I think would improve them. Some blood elf fans do not like this, you can tell by their reaction and replies, and they get angry or hurt, t I mean for example, if you've seen blizzard take the best night elf assets to the horde, and destroy the night elf homes, why would you get offended by someone presenting a scenario with the same happening to the blood elves or horde elves as an alternative path that can be used? Especially when you go out of your way to justify what is clearly biased and unfair as justified, knowing full well it isn't. Such hypocrisy is both rude and insulting, it can make a person annoyed, but still do you not see we take the time to respond to them and point this out. It's a courtesy that's done for people you do not want to treat as enemies. That is where I come from. If i truly hated or didn't care about them I'll leave them with their incorrect conclusions and vin assumptions and not bother. But I have been notified that my attempts and olive branches are casting pearls to swine. While I hate to think that of any human being, some make it impossible for you to think of them otherwise, and I daresay my compassion is leading me astray once more.

  12. #26452
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Stop this bullshit, Mace. Your a failure at lore.

    The sin'dorei were NOT team Legion. They had no idea what the Sunfury were doing on Outland.
    They hated Elisande and would never entertain her. Your a failure at Elf lore, period.

    The Nightborne who follow Thalyssra are exactly the same as the Silvermoon, Scryer and Shattered Sun Blood Elves who follow Liadrin.
    Both stood away from Kael'thas and Elisande and vowed to fight for their people.

    So no - your story fails in every regard because Elisande dies and those who sided with her, actually RETURNED to the Horde nation of Suramar, under Thalyssra's leadership and she allowed them back.
    Is that a reliable source? We helped to obliterate the whole ruling class.

  13. #26453
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Some blood elf fans do not like this, you can tell by their reaction and replies, and they get angry or hurt, t I mean for example, if you've seen blizzard take the best night elf assets to the horde, and destroy the night elf homes, why would you get offended by someone presenting a scenario with the same happening to the blood elves or horde elves as an alternative path that can be used?
    Because it makes you a hypocrite and it makes me truly hope you NEVER get what you want.
    How can you sit their thinking your amazing, wanting a story that has just happened to the Night Elves, you've hated, but want to push it for the Blood Elves.

    Yet again, as the failure you are, you have failed to present this as a good story. "Being developed later on" is not good enough. That is just a lazy excuse to say, "Look, just stop playing Blood Elves and play Alliance!"

  14. #26454
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    you should use reply quote if you're replaying to something I say, otherwise I may miss it. And I don't go out of my way to insult blood elf players. I am one of them. i get verbally attacked every time I post something in support of alliance elf players or alliance elf races.. looking for solutions to issues or just thing I think would improve them. Some blood elf fans do not like this, you can tell by their reaction and replies, and they get angry or hurt, t I mean for example, if you've seen blizzard take the best night elf assets to the horde, and destroy the night elf homes, why would you get offended by someone presenting a scenario with the same happening to the blood elves or horde elves as an alternative path that can be used? Especially when you go out of your way to justify what is clearly biased and unfair as justified, knowing full well it isn't. Such hypocrisy is both rude and insulting, it can make a person annoyed, but still do you not see we take the time to respond to them and point this out. It's a courtesy that's done for people you do not want to treat as enemies. That is where I come from. If i truly hated or didn't care about them I'll leave them with their incorrect conclusions and vin assumptions and not bother. But I have been notified that my attempts and olive branches are casting pearls to swine. While I hate to think that of any human being, some make it impossible for you to think of them otherwise, and I daresay my compassion is leading me astray once more.
    No one is against the night elves getting something new and shiny. Ever. Nobody is bullying you for that. The reason for these attacks is that you made like 6 different topics trying to justify losing Horde elves stuff and give it all to your own races because you feel entitled to it. Like you will never see a good parent Go " I will totally shut down the accomplishments of your siblings to make you feel better about yourself."

  15. #26455
    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Is that a reliable source? We helped to obliterate the whole ruling class.
    Of course it is.

    Blood Elves and Nightborne stood away from their leaders who eventually went mad, with trying to save their people.
    What happened to the Night Elves was simply Queen Azshara getting bored and wanting some entertainment.

    This is why Kael'thas and Elisande are far more similar than they are to Azshara.
    The two formers wanted to save their people. The Night Elf just wanted something to do for entertainment.

    I have come round to wanting Kael'thas back though; but I don't believe Blizzard will have him in any leadership roles. They've hinted at the torch being passed on, but that doesn't mean Kael'thas couldn't return.
    Personally speaking, I'd rather have Kael'thas come back and be a Blood Elf Warlock, leading the Sanctum with Shinfel Blightsworn
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  16. #26456
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Of course it is.

    Blood Elves and Nightborne stood away from their leaders who eventually went mad, with trying to save their people.
    What happened to the Night Elves was simply Queen Azshara getting bored and wanting some entertainment.

    This is why Kael'thas and Elisande are far more similar than they are to Azshara.
    The two formers wanted to save their people. The Night Elf just wanted something to do for entertainment.

    I have come round to wanting Kael'thas back though; but I don't believe Blizzard will have him in any leadership roles.
    I'd rather have Kael'thas come back and be a Blood Elf Warlock, leading the Sanctum with Shinfel Blightsworn
    I played alot of Hearthstone last expansion and all new card art was amazing. That feels like not being ignored.

  17. #26457
    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    I played alot of Hearthstone last expansion and all new card art was amazing. That feels like not being ignored.
    I'm not interested in Hearthstone.

    But this lady:
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shinfel_Blightsworn

    A "powerful blood elf warlock" and Kael'thas could certainly have the fel-side return and make blood elves the main elven race when it comes to all things "fel."
    Just like Night Elves have Druidism and Elune being their thing; Light and Fel should be the Blood Elf known thing, just so the two core elves are different.
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  18. #26458
    Having pretty blood elves and regal nightborne screaming "For the Horde" surrounded by monster races feels super out of place and is one of the main reasons I don't vibe with the faction post Vanilla. None of the alliance races feel out of place in comparison. Also, post Legion the Horde story doesn't make sense with the Sylvanas stuff and the others following her, including the elves and Tauren, while turning horde soldiers into zombies and all that.

    I hope they make a world revamp where all races can go to any faction city so the factions are abolished and it's up to your headcanon where you belong, so you could be a Tauren vibing with night elves, a Blood Elf in stormwind and so on.

  19. #26459
    Quote Originally Posted by allegrian View Post
    Having pretty blood elves and regal nightborne screaming "For the Horde" surrounded by monster races feels super out of place and is one of the main reasons I don't vibe with the faction post Vanilla. None of the alliance races feel out of place in comparison. Also, post Legion the Horde story doesn't make sense with the Sylvanas stuff and the others following her, including the elves and Tauren, while turning horde soldiers into zombies and all that.

    I hope they make a world revamp where all races can go to any faction city so the factions are abolished and it's up to your headcanon where you belong, so you could be a Tauren vibing with night elves, a Blood Elf in stormwind and so on.
    Play classic then. Nothing stops you.

    Allegiance shouldn't be defined how normal you look by human Standards. And I can make bets human fans will be the First to demand that Orcs shouldn't enter Stormwind.this is targeted at elves only and it shows.

  20. #26460
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Stop this bullshit, Mace. Your a failure at lore.

    The sin'dorei were NOT team Legion. They had no idea what the Sunfury were doing on Outland.
    They hated Elisande and would never entertain her. Your a failure at Elf lore, period.

    The Nightborne who follow Thalyssra are exactly the same as the Silvermoon, Scryer and Shattered Sun Blood Elves who follow Liadrin.
    Both stood away from Kael'thas and Elisande and vowed to fight for their people.

    So no - your story fails in every regard because Elisande dies and those who sided with her, actually RETURNED to the Horde nation of Suramar, under Thalyssra's leadership and she allowed them back.
    Tanaria is back. laying the lore down. Dear Tanaria, this is not l ore I am writing, but just an example of how it could have been done better. Written differently in a way that would have been fairer and perhaps equally favourable to both factions.

    It isn't off course what happened. Elisande appears dead after the encounter, we all know that, but the Nighthold was released in 7.1 after the decision to have allied races was made and it was decided for the Nightborne would go horde, this could have been a change they made. Elisande's echo, or one of them does help us, that echo surely is alive, they could have written it differently too, or even added a side quest that for the horde or class leader that would see Elisande made whole from her fragments..

    When dealing with the realm of possibility even anything is possible because you have creative licences. My dear, must I explain to you that this is not the lore here, but simply an example of what may have been ? To show how something would have been better for and fairer for both?


    Don't be all indignant.. you get offended far too easily and forget the suggestions you keep getting offended over simply make things fairer and often enough are similar treatments extended to the other faction .

    Why you get offended is beyond me, after all, do not the blood elves you love win everything? They have all the high elf assets, they also now have gained the night elf assets too along with the night elf sub race. They have the nigh t elven city of Suramar.. all the magic of the two elven races, the night and day ones are powerfully displayed on their side. Meanwhile their counterparts, the original, are adrift, homeless, refugees, they have little to no assets, a remnant on the brink of extinction with little to no power.

    This is the reality. knowing this to be the case, why on earth are you feeling threatened. Afterall it's been 6 years since patch 7.1 and 5 since BFA and for all the cries of unfair from alliance fans or warcraft people, the anguish at terrible night elf treatment or useless void elves. void elves still have no zone players quest with them to know them well , or serious lore, they have no assets, are refugees in Stormwind. Night elves also have no home, for all their Highborne, and Moonguard regardless of their capability or potential, their Moon priests and even night warriors, their druids, their well of eternity, emerald dream and even a goddess.. they have nothing.. it's been 5 years. No home, no city, no power, no exploits, no victories, no cool displays.

    Surely it's clear blood elves and Nightborne sit on top, hey got everything, they lead the horde now too, their magic does everything for the horde, they are also it's new faces.. they have lands, magic, cities, forests and are growing stronger. For all intents and purposes, blizzard means the alliance elves to be down there and the horde elves up there.

    What does a mere fan suggesting how things could have been fairer change that? Night elves still don't have their city, High elves and void elves still locked out, and no sign they will. Night elves seem to have a tree, and be the perfect savage feral warriors, with nothing to rival the blood elves.. no sign of infrastructure, and it looks like the tree won't be in any of the zones near the horde.. if it shows up in ohn'arna plains as expected night elves would have 1 tree in the middle of the far reaches of one zone, maybe they can sleep on it's leaves and roam endless forests in thier dreams. This simply means all of the Broken Isles is available for the horde as well as all of Kalimdor, there can't be enough night elves to even settle one of the boughs of that tree, let alone hold any of those zones you are so fearful the horde might lose

    This is a zero magic future for the night elves, zero home, zero city, zero power and there is nothing that suggests it will change. how is saying that Elisande leading a group of Nightborne to Silvermoon would have been fairer going to change the reality of the situation? What are you afraid? Humour or fellow fan should haves and could haves do not a reality make.

    Did not the alliance want high elves.. they got purple blood elves with shaggy hair that looks slept in.. they at least got void powers, but with madness looming, they can barely control it, do they look like a viable threat to blood elves? they want to win their blood elf kin over to the alliance, they aren't likely going to march on their homeland to claim it back.

    And where are the high elves.. they are playable through imagining your void elf is a high elf.. how laughable.. they don't even have playable character recognition of high elves, they have no high elf settlements ANYWAYWHERE in the world which is weird, you'd think at least they'd have built a high elf city or town that's grown into a city by now, it's been over 20 years since the scourge war.. they should have been fucking like rabbits and have an entire generation of elves in their 20s now gained land from their allies and built something... yet they're in such a pathetic state.


    You love feeling proud of the horde elves.. you have EVERY reason to be, they have everything of the high elves and the night elven civilizations on your favourite faction. This is the reality in the lore and the game. Nothing I saw about what could have been or should have been will say that. Let the loser alliance fans remember drams of the better days and fantasise of what could have been been.. What is clear is that this is not the case now. And there is nothing all the mounds of writing and whining can do to change it.

    I mean you can at last feel sorry for them instead of angry. You aren't losing anything, in fact, if one of the lacks is true.. Silvermoon has a brand new harbour with ships, likely will be the port to sail to Avaloren form. A massive statue of Lor'themar and Thalyssra there, and evidence of Nightborne structures [presumably meaning night elf architecture from Suramar] This speaks of a revamp and further consolidating of the Silvermoon/Suramar bond and alliance, and improvements to Silvermoon.


    Your elves are getting more. Did you see Amir'drassil? The new raid. there is some monstrous structure that has none of the elven delicacy and beauty accustom to the night elves there, if the night elves get that same tree it looks like this is the most they'll get of civilization and buildings. Probably dedicated to Elune who is clearly a goddess of life and not arcane, so even with night elf mages, they're going to be tree people elves, with spears and bow, little to no advanced magic from their past or present. . Clad in skins and leaves, with fangs and claws these would e the "elves" of the alliance.. barely reminiscent of the name, while the other lot seemed to already begin to go mad.. did you not see the island expedition void elf teams? That's the last we really saw with them in action.

    so one group is descending into total savages - probably going to get a rename soon, and the other into crazy madmen.. leaving like demons, only interested in power and not caring whether they're living on a bare rock or cave or in a place, as long as it has ore void.

    This is not the elegant high elves or majestic kaldorei civilization, there is no sign of it now, nor of it coming. No matter how much I or my brother may cry or any other alliance fan.

    Answer me now this, why are you upset? Clearly you don't care for how I feel, or any of us for that matter. Nothing we have said or say about them has come to pass. What does it matter if we are happy about the state of things for you? especially if making us happy might mean the alliance elves have something attractive and desirable in comparison or over the horde elves Off course you don't care.. so why are yo upset?

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