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    Quote Originally Posted by Doreidorei View Post
    You may think so but Metzen clearly didn't, is my point. "Elven tribes of Azeroth", until we see the trailers, would suggest something far broader than whatever Quel'thalas civil war scenario these threads have theorycrafted for almost a decade.
    We will see, I suppose. But I think people who are theorycrafting some dramatic shake-up in the faction status quo, or even the creation of a third faction that is neither Alliance nor Horde will come away disappointed.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doreidorei View Post
    Both sides are in for a disappointment is what I hear

    Anyway, Ironforge is significantly more core to the alliance (having been the capital in vanilla) than Quel'thalas to the horde (its closest alliance equivalents are the draenei and nelf capitals, one of which is already neutral).

    Ironforge going neutral is equivalent to Thunder Bluff going neutral.

    And both eventually will.

    What they're unlikely to do is salt the earth for mmoc wc2 fans. Or noticeably segregate the city and villages for that matter.



    That's not what occupation is. I take for granted that there will be invitations and embassies (Quel'thalas has always had diplomatic back channels with the alliance, and so does Suramar probably) much as was the case for the dragon isles expedition.

    Oh, also it's Shalandis island
    Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.
    making shandalis island the alliance center is logical since it is the original base of operations of the alliance in tbc

  3. #26523
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    We will see, I suppose. But I think people who are theorycrafting some dramatic shake-up in the faction status quo, or even the creation of a third faction that is neither Alliance nor Horde will come away disappointed.
    I'm at least willing to admit that would be wishful thinking.

    An expansion hub being neutral for matters of questing, otoh, is this game's bread and butter. Northrend Dal didn't stop being accessible to both sides after Mists, Suramar and Thunder Totem are still in questing limbo, and it's obvious that whatever they seem to be doing with Amirdrassil, Gilneas and Undercity, it's involving both sides.

    Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.
    That has never mattered to the devs.
    Last edited by Doreidorei; 2024-02-10 at 02:19 PM.

  4. #26524
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    The blood elves are the most important player base of the horde and they do not want their capital to be occupied by the alliance
    I must have missed the official announcement that you were elected as the spokesman representative of the Blood Elf community.

    You speak for yourself and yourself alone, no one else. Some people here should be reminded of that fact. You -don't know- what the consensus is.
    The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Silvermoon is the capital of a playable horde race, it's like ironforge became neutral!!

    That isle was the alliance's base of operations in tbc, I think it have updates and be a center for the alliance.
    You forget that Shattrath, the Draneei capital was made neutral, and the designated Draenei alliance capital was a re-fitted spaceship - but no, Silvermoon can't be neutral no matter what, and nor can Suramar because there is no precedence and reason for high elves and void elves to return home - they have piece of rock world, and no reason for night elves either, they "abandoned" Suramar (which is what they call being sealed out of the city while you go to defend the very city by destroy the root cause of an invasion), and as such have no right.. so it can purely remain on the horde. a settlement is fair enough compensation

    High elves and void elves need their city
    night elves need their city

    That's not to say that Vulpera, and Mag'har shouldn't get cities themselves -though the Mag'har have much in outland and draenor. And if Gnomes are sharing with the sub-race Mechagnomes in Mechagon, and Dark spears with the Zandalari in Dazar'alor for a major city, with the Mag'har already in Orgrimmar with the orcs - yet it is somehow preposterous for the high/void elves to share in Silvermoon with the blood elves and the Night elves to share a capital city with the Nightborne/

    @Varodoc noting exists in Warcraft but to utterly please the horde and cater to its fanbase exclusively in their eyes.

  6. #26526
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Silvermoon is the capital of the most played race of the horde, its equivalent is the humans.
    making shandalis island the alliance center is logical since it is the original base of operations of the alliance in tbc
    Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
    Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.

  7. #26527
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.
    It has its own quest chain to thin out the undead in BC and is part of the pilgrimage in the heritage quests (it's the starting point for it IIRC, it's been a while), nothing indicates that they don't care.
    Last edited by Doreidorei; 2024-02-10 at 03:09 PM.

  8. #26528
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
    Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.
    It is a possibility. I am very shame that blizzard does not remember that in wc3 there was a blood mage sylvos windrunner and that in the novels of the war of the ancients trilogy rhonin remembers that veressa told him that she had two brothers!! not just one.

  9. #26529
    Quote Originally Posted by Doreidorei View Post
    It has its own quest chain to thin out the undead in BC and is part of the pilgrimage in the heritage quests (it's the starting point for it IIRC, it's been a while), nothing indicates that they don't care.
    In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
    At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.

  10. #26530
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
    At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.
    I think you can chalk that up to bad writing. So much for Blizzard employing "lore masters."

    In TBC, Forsaken & Blood Elves start with higher rep with each other than the rest of the horde.
    In Seige of Orgrimmar, Lorethemar & Sylvanas hate each other.
    In Legion & Battle for Lordaeron, they like each other again.
    Post Shadowlands, he's ambivalent to her.

  11. #26531
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    In Three sisters comic, it is shown that Spire is still pretty much in disaray.
    At the time of blood elf heritage, Sylvanas is still a Warchief and sin'dorei venturing there commemorate her sacrifice during Third War. It makes sense at that time, even Lor'themar seemed to try understand her in that scenario... That changed though, and who knows if that place is still a pilgrimage considering that Sylvanas betrayed the Horde and other Windrunners are alligned with the Alliance.
    It will surely continue to be a place of pilgrimage despite Sylvanas's betrayal of the horde, because all the fallen are commemorated, not just Sylvanas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    You forget that Shattrath, the Draneei capital was made neutral, and the designated Draenei alliance capital was a re-fitted spaceship - but no, Silvermoon can't be neutral no matter what, and nor can Suramar because there is no precedence and reason for high elves and void elves to return home - they have piece of rock world, and no reason for night elves either, they "abandoned" Suramar (which is what they call being sealed out of the city while you go to defend the very city by destroy the root cause of an invasion), and as such have no right.. so it can purely remain on the horde. a settlement is fair enough compensation

    High elves and void elves need their city
    night elves need their city

    That's not to say that Vulpera, and Mag'har shouldn't get cities themselves -though the Mag'har have much in outland and draenor. And if Gnomes are sharing with the sub-race Mechagnomes in Mechagon, and Dark spears with the Zandalari in Dazar'alor for a major city, with the Mag'har already in Orgrimmar with the orcs - yet it is somehow preposterous for the high/void elves to share in Silvermoon with the blood elves and the Night elves to share a capital city with the Nightborne/

    @Varodoc noting exists in Warcraft but to utterly please the horde and cater to its fanbase exclusively in their eyes.
    Please, Blizzard fulfilled all the demands of the alliance with the void elves!! They have even more skin colors than blood elves!! and the nightborne are one of the allied races with less customization! We can be warlock but without having felborne customization.

    They gave the alliance the model of the most played race of the horde and they gave it all the customizations they wanted and they gave us an allied race that we didn't ask for with very little customization.

    Now they also want to have our cities!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Windrunner Spire would make logical Alliance base of operations, considering the only surviving Windrunners on Azeroth are aligned with the Alliance.
    Also blood elves probably did not care much about it, as it is still infested with Scourge anyway.
    We still have Gilneas and Stratholme could also be an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    High elves and void elves need their city
    night elves need their city
    It's not their city.

    Night elves are already covered and no, they also don't need anything.

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    some future ghostlands snippets:





    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  14. #26534
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    We still have Gilneas and Stratholme could also be an option.
    They could be an option, depending how Midnight will be designed. I would say Gilneas is still way too remote to Quel'thalas, which will be center piece of the expansion.

    We still don't know anything though and we can only guess for next two years. It is also possible that Silvermoon will be lost and both factions will move to Dalaran, which will now hover above QT this time. Anything is possible at this point.

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    Thank goodness WoW has playable High Elves as of 7.3.5.

  16. #26536
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post

    It's not their city.

    Night elves are already covered and no, they also don't need anything.
    Could make the same arguments the other way round.

    I am of the opinion that SIlvermoon is both the city o the blodo elves and the high elves and void elves, .. Suramar is also both the city of the Night elves and the Nightborne.


    If the Nightborne were to go and build a new city - not repair an ancient kaldorei city - it would be the city of the Nightborne only.
    If the blodo elves were to go build a new city elsewhere - it would be a blood elf city, not a high elf or void elf one.
    If the Night elves were to build a new city now, it would be a night elf city off course
    and if the void elves were to go build another city it would be a void elf city.

    However Suramar is both Nightborne and Night elven, and Silvermoon is the city of all the Thalassian elves.

    and off course they "need" a city - that's the coolest part of the races in wow. but if you want to be boring we could remove all the cities in the game and just have deserts and landscape, we'd still be around right? Then how about remove the landscape and just have a ping pong - we don't actually need them to have a game, in fact just remove the characters and the terrain too, in fact remove the game, we don't really need them do we...

    If you think about it, blizzard doesn't redo cities any longer for any race, they just do new versions under the new sub-race. Shattrath, #blackrock, Suramar, Highmountain, Dazar'alor, Boralus, Mechagon - et c. Silvermoon is going to be rare as one of the only ones to get a revamp. They certialn ycan get it up when it comes to the blood elves.

  17. #26537
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    It's not their city.

    Night elves are already covered and no, they also don't need anything.
    Bel'ameth is not a city.

    This is a city:




    This (aka Bel'ameth) is not a city:





    No one calls Bel'ameth a city in-game, not even Blizzard in their blogs.

    Silvermoon is also the city of the Void and High Elves.
    The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!

  18. #26538
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post

    Silvermoon is also the city of the Void and High Elves.
    Dat be Amani lands mon. You can take your puny elv's and get out of here.

    See, if you search for history "justice" - for example - you can pack all titanborne races and send them into space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Could make the same arguments the other way round.

    I am of the opinion that SIlvermoon is both the city o the blodo elves and the high elves and void elves, .. Suramar is also both the city of the Night elves and the Nightborne.
    And because yours is just an opinion I can simply say; what ever.

    Looking at it fact wise and how it currently stand lorewise, both statements are false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Bel'ameth is not a city.

    This is a city:




    This (aka Bel'ameth) is not a city:





    No one calls Bel'ameth a city in-game, not even Blizzard in their blogs.

    Silvermoon is also the city of the Void and High Elves.
    False, Silvermoon is the city of the blood elves. renamed high elves yes.

    Still thinking void elves have any claim is quite hilarious. Let alone the silver covenant or some bs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkRose92 View Post
    Thank goodness WoW has playable High Elves as of 7.3.5.
    As of 2.0 bc actually.
    Last edited by Alanar; 2024-02-12 at 07:18 PM.

  20. #26540
    Remember kids;
    They just forced Gilneas and Bel'ameth to be neutral.

    Silvermoon's next.
    No amount of saying an "important playerbase" - aka: the faction balancing race - is going to hate that is changing it when they keep forcing neutrality into the game.
    This is what happens when you don't protest neutrality for other groups, but suddenly hate it for your own.

    The outcry wasn't loud enough to warrant any changes.
    I'll be walking around Silvermoon on my Void Elf in Midnight, and there's nothing any of us can do about it at this point.

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