Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Zuben]

Thank you. Of course if Silvermoon is updated it will be a blood elf centric experience. Of course the blood elves will always be the main race of QT. Nobody denies it and nobody want them removed from the storyline. Quel'Thalas without the blood elves would feel empty and out of place.

They're just mad about experiencing for the first time what the Alliance is doing from the beginning : sharing capital cities and storylines.

High and void elves will return to Quel'Thalas as they have every right to do so and that's a really good thing for the storyline.

And this will happen regardless of whether or not Silvermoon will be made available to them. It's not like Midnight is a Horde-only expansion. It's a good opportunity to explore the grievances around elven politics from both sides.

[Evilfish]

So where do you sit on the whole "uniting the Elven Tribes" front? That is confirmed.

About the same place I stand on every other union that happened across factions in the past. When it was done everyone went home, they didn't move in to Stormwind or Orgrimmar.

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How is that a counterargument? What rules? There's a first time for everything, for example, this is the first time a new expansion area consists of zones that already exist in the game. Silvermoon is the only considerable urban setting in those zones. Then major cities have been taken out of the equation before, like Darnassus and Undercity. There is absolutely no obstacle to turning Silvermoon into a neutral hub or a Suramar-like questing area.

And again, like Darnassus and Undercity, the TBC zones will remain in the game, accessible by Zidormi. Therefore Midnight's take on Silvermoon is an additional city added to the game. Making it neutral only annoys hardliners like you from a lore perspective. General blood elf fans like me are happy to have a blood elf centric story experience, even if Alliance gets in on it too.

Whatever bad blood is left is likely to be sidelined before an existential threat. Rommath may oppose an elven coalition, but Bob is likely to be in favor of it, being a diplomat and responsible for the survival of his people. Seriously, the Void is a big deal.

It's not. Cataclysm did it way back. What you are saying makes no sense. Again, wishful thinking not reality. And don't give me that crap ok? What it bothers me if and if. What does it bother if you if not?

[Tanaria]

About the same place I stand on every other union that happened across factions in the past. When it was done everyone went home, they didn't move in to Stormwind or Orgrimmar.

But their was no mention of the lead narrative designer of "uniting the Alliance and Horde" it was just something that happened.

I honestly can't imagine Blizzard building this "uniting of the Elven Tribes" just for it to mean very little at the end. I don't imagine the Alliance fanbase will be all too happy with that outcome.

[Evilfish]

We absolutely don't care if Bel'Ameth is a faction city or not.

You and the Horde comitted GENOCIDE (if only it was the first from your part) on the Night elves.

So you shouldn't even be allowed here from the first place. After Gilneas, Theramore and Southshore destroyed by the Horde in various expansion, it's a terrible choice from a storytelling point of view to see Horde always hanging out in Alliance cities.

Take it up with Blizzard boss. I didn't want to be there any more than you wanted me there.

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But their was no mention of the lead narrative designer of "uniting the Alliance and Horde" it was just something that happened.

I honestly can't imagine Blizzard building this "uniting of the Elven Tribes" just for it to mean very little at the end. I don't imagine the Alliance fanbase will be all too happy with that outcome.

Well, obviously Horde players aren't happy with this outcome either. I mean you people keep bringing up the nelf settlement and Gilenas. If they stopped letting the Horde in there today it wouldn't matter, because those aren't neutral cities. They just let Hordes walk around. How you people figured that's some justification for turning not some dumbass settlement or a city that was never a faction city ever, but an actual Horde faction city, not even the way those cities were made available to the Horde but fully neutral is beyond my ability to understand.

First of all, the Horde is due at least one city. Forsaken didn't get anything aside their identity sodomized some more, no settlement, no city. Now you are telling me the Horde has to step up again and renounce exclusivity to their own city because what? The Alliance might feel bad? That only makes sense in the heads of biased Alliance people.

[Zuben]

It's not. Cataclysm did it way back. What you are saying makes no sense. Again, wishful thinking not reality. And don't give me that crap ok? What it bothers me if and if. What does it bother if you if not?

Cataclysm overhauled the old world, giving us fresh takes on Orgrimmar and Stormwind as the respective hubs for the expansion (during a faction war story), but the level cap areas were completely fresh. Now we are facing the overhaul of a limited portion of the world that will serve as the area for high level players, and they require a hub. Silvermoon is the sole notable urban setting there. It's math, not wishful thinking. Why don't you form actual counterarguments for a change? Nuh-uh can only take you so far.

[elbleuet]

You almost said something correct, until you put that part in.
Also High elves are aleady in Quel'thalas, so that just leave you with void elves.

No. These are blood elves. They renamed themselves long ago and joined the Horde.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E

Here's a link for you to learn more about the lore.

[Evilfish]

Cataclysm overhauled the old world, giving us fresh takes on Orgrimmar and Stormwind as the respective hubs for the expansion (during a faction war story), but the level cap areas were completely fresh. Now we are facing the overhaul of a limited portion of the world that will serve as the area for high level players, and they require a hub. Silvermoon is the sole notable urban setting there. It's math, not wishful thinking. Why don't you form actual counterarguments for a change? Nuh-uh can only take you so far.

And I already did. But you ignored it cause it does not align with your fantasy. The Sunwell island. There's your hub. It's an urban setting, it's exactly where the plot takes place and best part, it's always been neutral. But it's gonna be Silvermoon because, well, because it has to right? Come on. Who you think you are fooling here?

[Zuben]

And I already did. But you ignored it cause it does not align with your fantasy. The Sunwell island. There's your hub. It's an urban setting, it's exactly where the plot takes place and best part, it's always been neutral. But it's gonna be Silvermoon because, well, because it has to right? Come on. Who you think you are fooling here?

Quel'Danas was neutral when the Aldor and Scryers formed a coalition to drive the Legion out of there. Afterwards it was been under the stewardship of the sin'dorei, as is evident in Wrath's Quel'danil questline and the Nightborne allied race admission questline (the one where Alleria visits the Sunwell).

Another point, Quel'Danas will be the focus point of the invasion, so it would be awkward to have our hub there. And what of Silvermoon in that case? Horde won't be having two hubs in Midnight.

[elbleuet]

Quel'Danas was neutral when the Aldor and Scryers formed a coalition to drive the Legion out of there. Afterwards it was been under the stewardship of the sin'dorei, as is evident in Wrath's Quel'danil questline and the Nightborne allied race admission questline (the one where Alleria visits the Sunwell).

Another point, Quel'Danas will be the focus point of the invasion, so it would be awkward to have our hub there. And what of Silvermoon in that case? Horde won't be having two hubs in Midnight.

Exactly ! Silvermoon will be obviously for both faction.

[Evilfish]

Quel'Danas was neutral when the Aldor and Scryers formed a coalition to drive the Legion out of there. Afterwards it was been under the stewardship of the sin'dorei, as is evident in Wrath's Quel'danil questline and the Nightborne allied race admission questline (the one where Alleria visits the Sunwell).

Another point, Quel'Danas will be the focus point of the invasion, so it would be awkward to have our hub there. And what of Silvermoon in that case? Horde won't be having two hubs in Midnight.

No, it's way less awkward to take a Horde city and turn it neutral. Get real. Look, I know anything I say here won't matter, because you need it to be the way you want to. I'm telling you that by any standard of common sense, the last thing they'll do it take a Horde city and make it neutral. There are so many ways Alliance will get a hub, the Sunwell, that velf floating rock, a place campus in one of the zones, but somehow you are certain it's the Horde city. Can't be anything else because... why exactly?

[Alanar]

I'm not sure the Alliance fanbase will just accept the Void Elves and High Elves coming to save Quel'Thalas and then just saying "TTFN Lor'themar, enjoy Quel'Thalas. We're off back to Stormwind/Dalaran."

Again, it will probably just be as any other horde/alliance situation most likely. Which is basically pack up and leave when the story is over or you simply move to the next content. I would honestly be fine, with a Gilneas treatment, given that sure you can peak around and such, but not really interact or put your hs there. It would be for RP purposes only. Also.. people forget the alliance/horde are currently at peace, but this is warcraft and that situation can change very easily.

If it ends up being like Gilneas and the like, it still wouldn't be called neutral really. Turning a actual wow longtime horde/alliance capital into a pure neutral city has never happened before and I honestly don't see it shaping up to be that way at all with what we know. I don't know how people can jump even further with literally zero info.
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Exactly ! Silvermoon will be obviously for both faction.

Read my reply to Tanaria, I know you haven't read anything so far looking at your comments on the last few pages, but at least try it for once without being bias. So far, I have seen nothing but trying to be patty comments or the ha-ha ones coming from you.

That is so far, the most likely outcome. Remember this is done with one line of info on midnight and what we have seen with Gilneas.

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No. These are blood elves. They renamed themselves long ago and joined the Horde.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4M1q-a38E

Here's a link for you to learn more about the lore.

Maybe, you should do some reading yourself, you have been wrong with everything so far

Blood elves are just renamed High elves silly. Those are the OG high elves. Not those silly SC elves.

Anyhow with the customization option available for blue eyes for blood and void elves, there is simply no difference there. The high/blood elves have been cured a long time ago as well. The high elves you are talking about (the Silver Covenant or the unworthy ones according to Elisande), simply don't have a claim to their homeland, their claim is sentimental rather than legitimate. That being said, I am glad the name high elf doesn't mean much anymore or rather has been solved and are playable so to speak.

[elbleuet]

Blood elves are just renamed High elves silly. Those are the OG high elves.

Exactly. So stop calling them High elves whereas the blood elves themselves no longer use this name.

Did you see the cutscene to help you making the difference between high elves and blood elves since apparently you're not able to do so ?

Maybe, you should do some reading yourself, you have been wrong with everything so far

Just like you about the Alliance not getting light skinned Thalassian elves I guess ?

[Alanar]

Exactly. So stop calling them High elves whereas the blood elves themselves no longer use this name.

Did you see the cutscene to help you making the difference between high elves and blood elves since apparently you're not able to do so ?

It's flying over your head here.

What I told you, is the difference between the two, which is political only (in other words its the same race), the second thing is that the name High elf is simply irrelevant in todays standard as they are playable on both sides now. So you are just commenting on 1 sentence, which you got wrong ALSO and now I am here explaining it to you for like the third time. Which wasn't needed if you actually read it. Again they have to legitimate claim what so ever, so no it's not their right, which is the point here.

Again, go read some up.

Just like you about the Alliance not getting light skinned Thalassian elves I guess ?

What does this have to do with anything I said to you?
Stay on the matter, instead of trying to be patty again, it's weird man. Also you have used this exact sentence couple times now, are you just control c and v this? that sad.

[Dancaris]

Exactly. So stop calling them High elves whereas the blood elves themselves no longer use this name.

Did you see the cutscene to help you making the difference between high elves and blood elves since apparently you're not able to do so ?



Just like you about the Alliance not getting light skinned Thalassian elves I guess ?

High Elves is a name of the race, Blood elves - nation name. Like Frostwolves are Frostwolves, but they are orcs in a first place.
If some of their kin name themselves Quel'dorei - they took race name as nation name, and thats all.
Blood elves are high elves by race, but not as nation.

I think it was chewed too many times to bring that again.

[elbleuet]

It's flying over your head here.

What I told you, is the difference between the two, which is political only, the second thing is that the name High elf is simply irrelevant in todays standard as they are playable on both sides now. So you are just commenting on 1 sentence, which you got wrong ALSO and now I am here explaining it to you for like the third time. Which wasn't needed if you actually read it. Again they have to legitimate claim what so ever, so no it's not their right, which is the point here. [quote]

I know it's political. And I also know they aren't playable and thus aren't part of the Horde. What you're playing is blood elf, light infused blood elves and fel cleansed blood elves and that's it. The untouched High elves are with the Alliance, and you just have to deal with it.

What does this have to do with anything I said to you?

Because you're showing the same arrogance other blood elf fanboy showed when we asked for light skinned elves telling us that we were wrong, that Blizzard would never give them to us and that it was against the Lore.

In the end, they were just simply wrong and absolutely biaised. And most of them just abandonned this thread

You will act the same way when Silvermoon will come out as neutral

[Alanar]

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I think it was chewed too many times to bring that again.

And here we are again.

[elbleuet]

High Elves is a name of the race, Blood elves - nation name. Like Frostwolves are Frostwolves, but they are orcs in a first place.
If some of their kin name themselves Quel'dorei - they took race name as nation name, and thats all.
Blood elves are high elves by race, but not as nation.

I think it was chewed too many times to bring that again.

You're absolutely wrong on this.

Elf is the race.

And this race is just splitted into many groups (Night/Void/High/Blood).

[Alanar]

I know it's political. And I also know they aren't playable and thus aren't part of the Horde. What you're playing is blood elf, light infused blood elves and fel cleansed blood elves and that's it. The untouched High elves are with the Alliance, and you just have to deal with it.

Technically have they have been playable since bc and part of the horde. But, specially for you, the extra here is the given blue eye costomization for both blood and void elves. They are now playable in a rp kind of way. This is how they set the compromise and is intended this way. Both of these version are now available to play on both factions and canon in your high elf interpretation according to blizz.

Nope wrong again. Blood elves are high elves. Not all high elves are blood elves. High elf or Quel'dorei is the name of the race. The name blood elf or Sin'dorei was simply a re branding of the majority what was left of the high elves.

Maybe this will help https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf you only need to read the third part of the first bit.

Because you're showing the same arrogance other blood elf fanboy showed when we asked for light skinned elves telling us that we were wrong, that Blizzard would never give them to us and that it was against the Lore.

In the end, they were just simply wrong and absolutely biaised. And most of them just abandonned this thread

If you read arrogance in that, then I don't know what I need to tell you..

No, the actual arrogance here is that you are unable to accept the facts, that I am trying to explain to you multiple times now. The arrogance is in your patty tone and childish behavior towards this issue, which you keep doing. You are the one who is incredibly biast here.

[Evilfish]

[QUOTE=elbleuet;54429700]What I told you, is the difference between the two, which is political only, the second thing is that the name High elf is simply irrelevant in todays standard as they are playable on both sides now. So you are just commenting on 1 sentence, which you got wrong ALSO and now I am here explaining it to you for like the third time. Which wasn't needed if you actually read it. Again they have to legitimate claim what so ever, so no it's not their right, which is the point here.

I know it's political. And I also know they aren't playable and thus aren't part of the Horde. What you're playing is blood elf, light infused blood elves and fel cleansed blood elves and that's it. The untouched High elves are with the Alliance, and you just have to deal with it.



Because you're showing the same arrogance other blood elf fanboy showed when we asked for light skinned elves telling us that we were wrong, that Blizzard would never give them to us and that it was against the Lore.

In the end, they were just simply wrong and absolutely biaised. And most of them just abandonned this thread

You will act the same way when Silvermoon will come out as neutral

You really are not all there are you? You call him arrogant then laugh in his face that Blizzard is gonna listen to you and do what you want just because. Oh boy. You should look up what arrogant means, also might wanna check the word HYPOCRISY as well.

[Zuben]

No, it's way less awkward to take a Horde city and turn it neutral. Get real. Look, I know anything I say here won't matter, because you need it to be the way you want to. I'm telling you that by any standard of common sense, the last thing they'll do it take a Horde city and make it neutral. There are so many ways Alliance will get a hub, the Sunwell, that velf floating rock, a place campus in one of the zones, but somehow you are certain it's the Horde city. Can't be anything else because... why exactly?

I don't need it to be anything, I think Silvermoon as shared hub is the most likely possibility for the reasons I have posted here. You haven't countered my arguments, you've only thrown out phrases like "common sense" and "wishful thinking" without elaborating further.

Let me go over it once more:

1) Hub requires parity between factions. Design decisions are subjective, but effort put into something is undeniable, so if Horde gets a proper city with palaces and all, Alliance can't settle with anything less. Either they share one hub or both get something designers put a lot of effort in, so none of your examples fit. Not even Quel'Danas, and really, it's a shit location to have a hub in the first place when it's the focus of the Void's invasion. That is common sense. The Shattered Sun outpost was a military foothold they had to carve out and still needed to constantly fend off Legion forces.

Exodar getting off Azuremyst and floating its way to Quel'Thalas is a possibility. But that's assuming the factions will indeed be operating separately. The next point describes why I think that's unlikely.

2) Will Horde and Alliance join forces against the Void, or have at it separately? It's been, what, 6 in-universe years since the Fourth War ended? Sylvanas was dealt with. Night elves were aided in getting a new home, which was celebrated together afterwards. Bob invited Alliance folk to his wedding, notably Alleria herself. Thrall and Anduin are in good terms with each other. Throw Jaina in there as well. No warmongering Horde leaders at the helm either. Bob especially is diplomatic by nature and has gone through story arcs where he's learned holding on to hatred doesn't lead to anything good. And if there's anything persistent to his characterization, it's that he places the good of his people first.

So why would Horde and Alliance go at Void forces by themselves, without inter-faction strategy? Sin'dorei faced the Scourge alone and got decimated by it. Now that they are facing another threat of that scale, if not even worse, why would they not accept help from where it's offered? With Horde's support they couldn't even clear Ghostlands from the Scourge remnants completely, so more is needed.

3) Metzen's words about us unifying the scattered elven, erm, "tribes", and making a stand with the forces of the Light to banish the Shadow. That sure as hell sounds like we're in for a joint-operation.

4) Silvermoon is the urban center of Quel'Thalas, so it's the natural location for the hub of the expansion. Horde will be there, but since joint-operation is likely (as assessed above) why wouldn't the Alliance be there as well? Shattrath had the central hall, Oribos had the Enclave, Valdrakken had Seat of the Aspects. All places where the leadership of the campaign would gather and strategize together. When joining forces against the Void in Midnight is likely, so is having the leadership gather in one place, and therefore featuring one shared hub.

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Another option that I think is likely is that Blizz will opt to expand Silvermoon greatly and turn it into a Suramar-esque campaign of its own, which means the expansion hub will either be a portion of it or a location outside of it (again, not Quel'Danas, because that's dumb, it's like setting your central command next to Icecrown Citadel or in the Maw; those places warrant forward outposts). Suramar was extremely well-received and loved by the playerbase. Bringing that goodness to one of the most loved races in the game now that they have the chance for it feels like a no-brainer.

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Concession: The War Within is still ahead of us, we don't really know how its story will play out. My assessments presume it won't push the factions against each other, but that really is up in the air at this point. Xal'atath is described to be aware that we are quite strong, since we defeated all the Old Gods in the past, so it's possible she might try to play us against each other in patch content.