Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Dakhath]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if SMC became neutral in Midnight. The city is already halved as it is in game on the map, with everyone likely having to come together to defend the Sunwell, it would be an appropriate time for SMC to get the Dalaran treatment.

[The-Shan]

That is exactly what you want. You want the Quel'thalas to become alliance aligned again so you can pretend High elves and Void elves always had legitemate claims to make the nation blue before it was in Warcraft 3. But that is not going to happen. There won't be permanent access to the alliance in Silvermoon. Just like SoO raid didn't mean Orgrimmar was destroyed or the Exodar scenario meant the Draenei finished their story before even entering Argus. Alot of headcanon nothing else.

And it does matter cuz Vereesa and Umbric and all their followers are diehard alliance loyalists. Umbric and Alleria specifally tell you they want Quel'thalas stop being part of the modern Horde.

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Thalassian Elves is a different race of elves then Night elves or Nightborne. Subraces are more like the different troll tribes.

Why are you accusing me of something I haven't said. I'm not advocating for silvermoon to turn blue, I'm not even advocating for anything. This is a video game, not a political issue. I'm mostly thinking from a design perspective on how Blizzard is likely to handle it.

Every expansion has a hub - fact
Silvermoon is the first thing the average person thinks about when they consider a hub in Quel'thalas - fact
Blizzard has stated Midnight will be about reuniting the scattered elven tribes - fact

Reuniting doesn't have to mean sharing a city, but given that it is in the defense of Quel'thalas, I find it hard to believe we'll walk away without Void Elves and High Elves being welcomed into Silvermoon without pledging allegiance to the Horde, given the narrative is reunification. So, if Void, Blood, and High Elves are reunifying, and other alliances races will need a hub in Quel'thalas, and we aren't seeing a trend back towards faction conflict, it seems the reasonable conclusion is that we cannot rule out Silvermoon as a shared hub.

This is all just simple logic, this doesn't have to be this weird alliance vs horde blue vs red fight to speculate about this stuff. Blizzard will do what they want to do, and they don't think about game development as catering to this sort of thinking.

I will concede that it could be possible for there to be an alliance hub in say, Stratholme or Deatholme, but I find that unlikely since that goes against both the themes of reunification and the focus on the elves by putting them in a human city that we know is still in ruins.

[Grazrug]

Why are you accusing me of something I haven't said. I'm not advocating for silvermoon to turn blue, I'm not even advocating for anything. This is a video game, not a political issue. I'm mostly thinking from a design perspective on how Blizzard is likely to handle it.

Every expansion has a hub - fact
Silvermoon is the first thing the average person thinks about when they consider a hub in Quel'thalas - fact
Blizzard has stated Midnight will be about reuniting the scattered elven tribes - fact

Reuniting doesn't have to mean sharing a city, but given that it is in the defense of Quel'thalas, I find it hard to believe we'll walk away without Void Elves and High Elves being welcomed into Silvermoon without pledging allegiance to the Horde, given the narrative is reunification. So, if Void, Blood, and High Elves are reunifying, and other alliances races will need a hub in Quel'thalas, and we aren't seeing a trend back towards faction conflict, it seems the reasonable conclusion is that we cannot rule out Silvermoon as a shared hub.

This is all just simple logic, this doesn't have to be this weird alliance vs horde blue vs red fight to speculate about this stuff. Blizzard will do what they want to do, and they don't think about game development as catering to this sort of thinking.

I will concede that it could be possible for there to be an alliance hub in say, Stratholme or Deatholme, but I find that unlikely since that goes against both the themes of reunification and the focus on the elves by putting them in a human city that we know is still in ruins.

It creates an ugly precedence and is just another wink that all nice things in the game are somehow alliance property by default. That needs to stop. They would never do the same thing with Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff and that iw why many blood elf players are rigthfull angry.


Before we even think about peace talk, Alleria, Umbric and Vereesa should apologize for their crimes to the Horde.

[The-Shan]

It creates an ugly precedence and is just another wink that all nice things in the game are somehow alliance property by default. That needs to stop. They would never do the same thing with Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff and that iw why many blood elf players are rigthfull angry.

Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Honestly, as a blood elf player myself I think there's a cool nuance in having a city that is inhabited by the Horde and the Alliance. It doesn't take it away from me, it just shows that warcraft can be more complicated than red vs blue.

[Grazrug]

Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Honestly, as a blood elf player myself I think there's a cool nuance in having a city that is inhabited by the Horde and the Alliance. It doesn't take it away from me, it just shows that warcraft can be more complicated than red vs blue.

Not at all. Void elves and high elves want Quel'thalas to be alliance. All their leaders agree on this. The divide is still there and the blood elves are the most obvious sign of it. If Bob and his regime ever cared about the wellbeing of the nation then all traitors should be killed on sight.

[Alanar]

You really are not all there are you? You call him arrogant then laugh in his face that Blizzard is gonna listen to you and do what you want just because. Oh boy. You should look up what arrogant means, also might wanna check the word HYPOCRISY as well.

He isn't even trying to hide hes arrogance at this point. How some one can be so wrong and still think hes right even with multiple links and explanations which are canon. He simply doesn't understand how it works.

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Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Hmm I don't think t's very complicated myself. As for those exiles, there isn't much to be said there.. they are exiles yes, but we have already seen some High elf pilgrims visiting the Sunwell way before. The thing is, High elves aren't really the problem anymore since they are playable on both factions for a while now. That being said, that leaves us with the only version left, which are Void elves and they simply don't have a claim and Alleria has been kicked out of Quel'thalas at the end of Legion, it's no longer their home according to Lor'themar.
You are right that it's peace time in wow, but I don't believe this will just stick around. It's warcraft afterall, but I expect the elf version of horde/alliance moment coming together again in Midnight. I am interested tho in what they will give Void elves to do and how they solve this. I feel like a possible solution is to have them come in help to get rid of the Sunwell, because idk maybe it's infected by the Void and they have the knowledge or power to help the other forces for example.

Side thing, but I said it before, imo there is nothing interesting that hasn't been told already on the blood elves, for the void elves there. The only way to make them interesting is if they actually develop them as their own thing. They are badly in need of some attention. They haven't even interacted with their own allies, nor is it propelling forward if they just lean on the shadow of the blood elves. We have seen that already.

This got me thinking twice tho, but I do kinda wonder.. if scattered elven tribes actually mean our known elf versions. I mean the ones who we know are they really scattered? why the word tribes? for example Blood elves and Nightborne kinda came together in a nice way and feel united already in that sense or are we talking about other elven subfactions who are still kinda wondering about? Darkfallen, fel elves?
I guess since we are all speculating on what everything means, I thought I could do that as well.

Meh, sorry for the wall.. got distracted.

[Zuben]

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Coming from a guy who stated how he loves Warcraft, I found Metzen's phrasing of "tribes" bizarre. When have we ever referred to elven factions as "tribes"?? Either he had a brainfart during the presentation, or there is indeed something more to the peculiar phrasing.

Though I'm personally bending towards it being a brainfart.

[Evilfish]

The fact is we know very little about that expansion. Way too little to go on a tirade about how the Alliance will get to be in a Horde city, aside knowing next to nothing and that notion being incredibly stupid, there's still an expansion that has to unfold before us to get to that point. So it's mostly speculation and I am not that much into speculating.

[Tanaria]

If you were really a fan, you'd be screaming harder than these helf types. Because if they can whine their way into getting the belf model, then whine their way into getting the belf skins, then whine their way into getting half your city, then be sure they will try to whine you out of that city next. That is if you really are a belf fan, not one of those types who wants to be Alliance.

Of course I'm a real blood elf fan and @Alanar will back me up on that. I'm just used to being disappointed and getting the worst.
I do have low expectations, so yes - the way I am, I've just accepted that Silvermoon will be shared. If in 5 years, that doesn't happen and I will take great pleasure in you telling me how wrong I was and I'd be elated to have been so wrong.

I desperately want to be wrong about this.

@Alanar knows how much of a Blood Elf fan I really am. The threads during the latter part of @ravenmoon and his time here were dedicated to demanding Blood Elves and Nightborne be removed from Quel'Thalas and Suramar and those go to the Alliance. I never backed down on how much I didn't want that.

[Evilfish]

Of course I'm a real blood elf fan and @Alanar will back me up on that. I'm just used to being disappointed and getting the worst.
I do have low expectations, so yes - the way I am, I've just accepted that Silvermoon will be shared. If in 5 years, that doesn't happen and I will take great pleasure in you telling me how wrong I was and I'd be elated to have been so wrong.

I desperately want to be wrong about this.

@Alanar knows how much of a Blood Elf fan I really am. The threads during the latter part of @ravenmoon and his time here were dedicated to demanding Blood Elves and Nightborne be removed from Quel'Thalas and Suramar and those go to the Alliance. I never backed down on how much I didn't want that.

Then you aren't that great of a fan if you just fell for the bs of these people. There's not gonna be a damned shared Horde city.

[Grazrug]

Of course I'm a real blood elf fan and @Alanar will back me up on that. I'm just used to being disappointed and getting the worst.
I do have low expectations, so yes - the way I am, I've just accepted that Silvermoon will be shared. If in 5 years, that doesn't happen and I will take great pleasure in you telling me how wrong I was and I'd be elated to have been so wrong.

I desperately want to be wrong about this.

@Alanar knows how much of a Blood Elf fan I really am. The threads during the latter part of @ravenmoon and his time here were dedicated to demanding Blood Elves and Nightborne be removed from Quel'Thalas and Suramar and those go to the Alliance. I never backed down on how much I didn't want that.

We aren't saying it won't happen. We say IF it happens Blizzard makes something they never did. Making a former faction aligned city neutral to have a new Dalaran. And that is bad.

[Ardenaso]

I just really think the idea of a major Horde capital city getting neutral doesn't sit right with me

[Triceron]

I just really think the idea of a major Horde capital city getting neutral doesn't sit right with me

It was never a Horde city in the lore to begin with, same with Lordaeron. These were lines arbitrarily drawn in WoW, since even by WC3 lore neither city was tied to either Alliance or Horde, they were controlled by independent factions.

Bringing it back to neutral territory would be the best thing, much like Dalaran. No one really goes to Silvermoon anyways, and a modern revamp makes sense to open it up completely

[elbleuet]

We aren't saying it won't happen. We say IF it happens Blizzard makes something they never did. Making a former faction aligned city neutral to have a new Dalaran. And that is bad.

Back in Vanilla, Dalaran was Alliance. Was made neutral in WOTLK, then Alliance in MoP and then finally neutral again in Legion.

So it did happen, and hopefully will happen with Silvermoon.

[Grazrug]

Back in Vanilla, Dalaran was Alliance. Was made neutral in WOTLK, then Alliance in MoP and then finally neutral again in Legion.

So it did happen, and hopefully will happen with Silvermoon.

Dalaran didn't exist back in Vanilla. Wotlk intro it was always neutral and even now it is more alliance leaning due to all council memebers and citizens being humans. What you suggest is giving the high elves 50% of a Horde aligned nation that was on this team for 17 years.

And it is not your choice to make here. Blood elves are a playable race. High elves aren't, if Blizzard has any brain left they will not yet again cater to a vocal minority like they did in Legion with void elves out of nowhere.

[elbleuet]

I know, but you dont. Thats not how it works silly.

High elf is the race,. Blood elves are simply high elves renamed. That name change didnt suddenly change that race. For example, Night elves are not the same elven race as High elf, but they are all elves. They would simply be called night elves or kaldorei and not just the word elf. That is not how it's defined or called, so no.

Your arrogance is once again showing, because you clearly misunderstood what was said and again you didnt read the link I gave you, but still push on in what you believe is the truth. Since you are incompetent to do it yourself il give you a headstart right here;

However, a few high elves did not rename themselves blood elves. High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political.[13]
The blood elves (or sin'dorei, "children of the blood" in Thalassian — pronounced [ˈsiːndɔraɪ], [siːnˈdɔraɪ] or [siːndɔreɪ]) are high elves who changed their name after the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas.[5]

So take a look, and you can learn more about the race:, because you need it clearly

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf

Sweety, what you just said doesn't contradict my words at all

Of course blood elves are High elves who renamed themselves after the Scourge invasion everyone excepted you knows that.

That doesn't change the fact that blood and high elves are 2 separate groups. High elves are Alliance and blood elves are Horde.

Calling them High elves instead of blood elves whereas not a single blood elf wether it is in the game or in the Lore use this name is quitte funny

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Dalaran didn't exist back in Vanilla. Wotlk intro it was always neutral and even now it is more alliance leaning due to all council memebers and citizens being humans. What you suggest is giving the high elves 50% of a Horde aligned nation that was on this team for 17 years.

And it is not your choice to make here. Blood elves are a playable race. High elves aren't, if Blizzard has any brain left they will not yet again cater to a vocal minority like they did in Legion with void elves out of nowhere.

Dalaran did exist. Ok the city was behind a magical wall but still.

I don' t want 50% of the nation.

I just want to have free access in the city as a child of Quel'Thalas and either have a small place in the city for Alliance elves and/or have a new city in the eversong forests.

[Grazrug]

Sweety, what you just said doesn't contradict my words at all

Of course blood elves are High elves who renamed themselves after the Scourge invasion everyone excepted you knows that.

That doesn't change the fact that blood and high elves are 2 separate groups. High elves are Alliance and blood elves are Horde.

Calling them High elves instead of blood elves whereas not a single blood elf wether it is in the game or in the Lore use this name is quitte funny

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Dalaran did exist. Ok the city was behind a magical wall but still.

I don' t want 50% of the nation.

I just want to have free access in the city as a child of Quel'Thalas and either have a small place in the city for Alliance elves and/or have a new city in the eversong forests.

Blizzard never turned an entire starting zone neutral for reasons. And It will not happen since it will piss off the largest played community.

[elbleuet]

Blizzard never turned an entire starting zone neutral for reasons. And It will not happen since it will piss off the largest played community.

And Blizzard never burned to the ground an entire Vanilla zone, destroying one of the most iconic Alliance capital cities, pissing off countless Night elf players.


Yet it did. So that's not an argument to me.

If Blizzard turns Silvermoon neutral but makes a good update of it, then the changes will be accepted by the vast majority of the playerbase.

The majority of Horde players is well aware that Quel'Thalas lore is shared between the Horde and the Alliance

[Grazrug]

And Blizzard never burned to the ground an entire Vanilla zone, destroying one of the most iconic Alliance capital cities, pissing off countless Night elf players.


Yet it did. So that's not an argument to me.

If Blizzard turns Silvermoon neutral but makes a good update of it, then the changes will be accepted by the vast majority of the playerbase.

The majority of Horde players is well aware that Quel'Thalas lore is shared between the Horde and the Alliance

Night elves got a brand new tree and hub the Horde will leave from peacefully after the expansion is over and now Tyrande event alks about regrowing Teldrassil so nothing will be lost. No and lackey of Vereesa or Umbric should be killed on sight for the countless blood elves they killed with glee.


We are not going to roll over just because a small loud part of the high elf fans demand all nice things in the elf story for themselves. Deal with it.

[Alanar]

Sweety, what you just said doesn't contradict my words at all

Of course blood elves are High elves who renamed themselves after the Scourge invasion everyone excepted you knows that.

That doesn't change the fact that blood and high elves are 2 separate groups. High elves are Alliance and blood elves are Horde.

Calling them High elves instead of blood elves whereas not a single blood elf wether it is in the game or in the Lore use this name is quitte funny
forests.

Yes it does, because you simply dont get it and your undestanding of how to define them is simply incorrect.

Good job at failing to read again. Go read about high elves if you are unsure. High elves are playable on both sides, that story ended and yes blood elves are high elves which you claimed to be untrue. I also had to correct you every single time silly. High elves are simply irrlevant.

You are played Elbuet, I am not going to explain it again. The only thing I can tell you, is to use the link I gave you and read about them to know more.