Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Evilfish]

Are you kidding me? You just rewrote the same crap using more words. Are you people trying to annoy me or something? For all the possibilities out there, no, the Belfs have to give up half their city. Are you people listening to yourselves? What you are proposing isn't sane. It makes no sense. And coming here and telling me that it totally makes sense, does not make it make sense. They are not gonna take a Horde city and hand half of it to the Alliance. Are you out of your minds? Especially when there are options out there.
There's the void elf city, which to be honest deserves some development since void elves got no lore development as void elves but nobody cares about those as void elves, no have to push em to be belfs. There are the alien goat ships. Silvermoon is getting makeover, shouldn't you people be asking them to do the same for the Exodar?

Several options for each faction to have it's own hub, but no, the Horde must give up half their city. Give me a break. You are fixated on on Silvermoon and you'll hear nothing else.

You and your buddies come here telling me how it's totally expected and just for the Horde to give up half their city because Gilneas and that elf town, which amusingly aren't even neutral. There's no trace of the Horde there. It's not a hub for the Horde of any kind. Are you kidding me. Not to mention that the Horde should be getting equivalents for those, but instead the Horde has to give up half of an established faction city. Just how much shit do you people think you can throw at this faction?

[The-Shan]

Are you kidding me? You just rewrote the same crap using more words. Are you people trying to annoy me or something? For all the possibilities out there, no, the Belfs have to give up half their city. Are you people listening to yourselves? What you are proposing isn't sane. It makes no sense. And coming here and telling me that it totally makes sense, does not make it make sense. They are not gonna take a Horde city and hand half of it to the Alliance. Are you out of your minds? Especially when there are options out there.
There's the void elf city, which to be honest deserves some development since void elves got no lore development as void elves but nobody cares about those as void elves, no have to push em to be belfs. There are the alien goat ships. Silvermoon is getting makeover, shouldn't you people be asking them to do the same for the Exodar?

Several options for each faction to have it's own hub, but no, the Horde must give up half their city. Give me a break. You are fixated on on Silvermoon and you'll hear nothing else.

You and your buddies come here telling me how it's totally expected and just for the Horde to give up half their city because Gilneas and that elf town, which amusingly aren't even neutral. There's no trace of the Horde there. It's not a hub for the Horde of any kind. Are you kidding me. Not to mention that the Horde should be getting equivalents for those, but instead the Horde has to give up half of an established faction city. Just how much shit do you people think you can throw at this faction?

More likely they'll make the whole thing neutral in midnight since the expansion takes place in quel'thalas, and the expansion needs a hub, unless they end up making Silvermoon a hostile zone for everyone. It's likely to be the expansions equivalent to valdrakken though, unless something unexpected happens.

[Ersula]

I'm not sure the Alliance fanbase will just accept the Void Elves and High Elves coming to save Quel'Thalas and then just saying "TTFN Lor'themar, enjoy Quel'Thalas. We're off back to Stormwind/Dalaran."

Didn't we just do that with Lordaeron & Amirdrassil?

[Tanaria]

Take it up with Blizzard boss. I didn't want to be there any more than you wanted me there.

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Well, obviously Horde players aren't happy with this outcome either. I mean you people keep bringing up the nelf settlement and Gilenas. If they stopped letting the Horde in there today it wouldn't matter, because those aren't neutral cities. They just let Hordes walk around. How you people figured that's some justification for turning not some dumbass settlement or a city that was never a faction city ever, but an actual Horde faction city, not even the way those cities were made available to the Horde but fully neutral is beyond my ability to understand.

First of all, the Horde is due at least one city. Forsaken didn't get anything aside their identity sodomized some more, no settlement, no city. Now you are telling me the Horde has to step up again and renounce exclusivity to their own city because what? The Alliance might feel bad? That only makes sense in the heads of biased Alliance people.

I'm hoping that your right, but I'm just expecting the worst and that is, I as a Blood Elf fan, is losing Silvermoon as the Blood Elf capital and it will be the shared Thalassian Capital

[Alanar]

Didn't we just do that with Lordaeron & Amirdrassil?

Ye said the same thing twice as well. People are not reading.

[Evilfish]

I'm hoping that your right, but I'm just expecting the worst and that is, I as a Blood Elf fan, is losing Silvermoon as the Blood Elf capital and it will be the shared Thalassian Capital

If you were really a fan, you'd be screaming harder than these helf types. Because if they can whine their way into getting the belf model, then whine their way into getting the belf skins, then whine their way into getting half your city, then be sure they will try to whine you out of that city next. That is if you really are a belf fan, not one of those types who wants to be Alliance.

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More likely they'll make the whole thing neutral in midnight since the expansion takes place in quel'thalas, and the expansion needs a hub, unless they end up making Silvermoon a hostile zone for everyone. It's likely to be the expansions equivalent to valdrakken though, unless something unexpected happens.

More likeley in your dreams you mean.

[elbleuet]

Technically have they have been playable since bc and part of the horde. But, specially for you, the extra here is the given blue eye costomization for both blood and void elves. They are now playable in a rp kind of way. This is how they set the compromise and is intended this way. Both of these version are now available to play on both factions and canon in your high elf interpretation according to blizz.

Nope wrong again. Blood elves are high elves. Not all high elves are blood elves. High elf or Quel'dorei is the name of the race. The name blood elf or Sin'dorei was simply a re branding of the majority what was left of the high elves.

Maybe this will help https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf you only need to read the third part of the first bit.



If you read arrogance in that, then I don't know what I need to tell you..

No, the actual arrogance here is that you are unable to accept the facts, that I am trying to explain to you multiple times now. The arrogance is in your patty tone and childish behavior towards this issue, which you keep doing. You are the one who is incredibly biast here.

No they aren't and you know it

Elf is the race. Nothing more. Blood are is a group of elf just like High elves are. Even Elisande knew the difference between them. Why don't you ?

[The-Shan]

If you were really a fan, you'd be screaming harder than these helf types. Because if they can whine their way into getting the belf model, then whine their way into getting the belf skins, then whine their way into getting half your city, then be sure they will try to whine you out of that city next. That is if you really are a belf fan, not one of those types who wants to be Alliance.

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More likeley in your dreams you mean.

So you think in Midnight they are going to just make the only large city on the map exclusively horde territory? I don't really have a horse in this race, and I'm not rabidly anti/pro high elf. I just think this is what is likely to happen, since its the obvious place for a hub, and they aren't likely to give the alliance some countryside camp, while giving the Horde Silvermoon. It's simply easier to make 1 big hub, which will almost certainly be Silvermoon.

[Alanar]

No they aren't and you know it

Elf is the race. Nothing more. Blood are is a group of elf just like High elves are. Even Elisande knew the difference between them. Why don't you ?

I know, but you dont. Thats not how it works silly.

High elf is the race,. Blood elves are simply high elves renamed. That name change didnt suddenly change that race. For example, Night elves are not the same elven race as High elf, but they are all elves. They would simply be called night elves or kaldorei and not just the word elf. That is not how it's defined or called, so no.

Your arrogance is once again showing, because you clearly misunderstood what was said and again you didnt read the link I gave you, but still push on in what you believe is the truth. Since you are incompetent to do it yourself il give you a headstart right here;

However, a few high elves did not rename themselves blood elves. High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political.[13]
The blood elves (or sin'dorei, "children of the blood" in Thalassian — pronounced [ˈsiːndɔraɪ], [siːnˈdɔraɪ] or [siːndɔreɪ]) are high elves who changed their name after the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas.[5]

So take a look, and you can learn more about the race:, because you need it clearly

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf

[Evilfish]

So you think in Midnight they are going to just make the only large city on the map exclusively horde territory? I don't really have a horse in this race, and I'm not rabidly anti/pro high elf. I just think this is what is likely to happen, since its the obvious place for a hub, and they aren't likely to give the alliance some countryside camp, while giving the Horde Silvermoon. It's simply easier to make 1 big hub, which will almost certainly be Silvermoon.

Yes, unless you telling me that the Horde is not good enough to deserve to hold on to their own city. And it's funny to me how nobody seems to have a horse in this race, but everyone seems to agree that the Horde has to step up and give up half their city just cause.

[The-Shan]

Yes, unless you telling me that the Horde is not good enough to deserve to hold on to their own city. And it's funny to me how nobody seems to have a horse in this race, but everyone seems to agree that the Horde has to step up and give up half their city just cause.

I don't think that's how blizzard views WoW anymore as a 'what lore favors does each faction get' in a post-faction world. Nobody's saying anyone has to give up half their city, it will simply be a shared city, because that is not how the game is designed anymore, since Blizzard has no narrative or gameplay reason to segregate the factions anymore, the Midnight hub will almost certainly be shared, akin to Valdrakken and the Isle of Dorn in TWW.

So, either Silvermoon is 100% a shared city as the elves of Quel'thalas reunite as a nation, or the hub won't be Silvermoon for anyone.

[Grazrug]

I don't think that's how blizzard views WoW anymore as a 'what lore favors does each faction get' in a post-faction world. Nobody's saying anyone has to give up half their city, it will simply be a shared city, because that is not how the game is designed anymore, since Blizzard has no narrative or gameplay reason to segregate the factions anymore, the Midnight hub will almost certainly be shared, akin to Valdrakken and the Isle of Dorn in TWW.

So, either Silvermoon is 100% a shared city as the elves of Quel'thalas reunite as a nation, or the hub won't be Silvermoon for anyone.

Sorry but that is just stupid. There is no reason for blood elves going neutral after all the stuff Umbric and Vereesa did to them.

[The-Shan]

Sorry but that is just stupid. There is no reason for blood elves going neutral after all the stuff Umbric and Vereesa did to them.

nobody's saying the blood elves should go neutral, I'm saying the city can be shared without the blood elves leaving the horde, especially since the alliance and horde aren't actively at war. If they ever went to war again it'd pose an interesting conflict for a reunited thalassian nation, but not everything centers around the alliance and horde anymore.

[Grazrug]

nobody's saying the blood elves should go neutral, I'm saying the city can be shared without the blood elves leaving the horde, especially since the alliance and horde aren't actively at war. If they ever went to war again it'd pose an interesting conflict for a reunited thalassian nation, but not everything centers around the alliance and horde anymore.

That is exactly what you want. You want the Quel'thalas to become alliance aligned again so you can pretend High elves and Void elves always had legitemate claims to make the nation blue before it was in Warcraft 3. But that is not going to happen. There won't be permanent access to the alliance in Silvermoon. Just like SoO raid didn't mean Orgrimmar was destroyed or the Exodar scenario meant the Draenei finished their story before even entering Argus. Alot of headcanon nothing else.

And it does matter cuz Vereesa and Umbric and all their followers are diehard alliance loyalists. Umbric and Alleria specifally tell you they want Quel'thalas stop being part of the modern Horde.

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No they aren't and you know it

Elf is the race. Nothing more. Blood are is a group of elf just like High elves are. Even Elisande knew the difference between them. Why don't you ?

Thalassian Elves is a different race of elves then Night elves or Nightborne. Subraces are more like the different troll tribes.

[Dakhath]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if SMC became neutral in Midnight. The city is already halved as it is in game on the map, with everyone likely having to come together to defend the Sunwell, it would be an appropriate time for SMC to get the Dalaran treatment.

[The-Shan]

That is exactly what you want. You want the Quel'thalas to become alliance aligned again so you can pretend High elves and Void elves always had legitemate claims to make the nation blue before it was in Warcraft 3. But that is not going to happen. There won't be permanent access to the alliance in Silvermoon. Just like SoO raid didn't mean Orgrimmar was destroyed or the Exodar scenario meant the Draenei finished their story before even entering Argus. Alot of headcanon nothing else.

And it does matter cuz Vereesa and Umbric and all their followers are diehard alliance loyalists. Umbric and Alleria specifally tell you they want Quel'thalas stop being part of the modern Horde.

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Thalassian Elves is a different race of elves then Night elves or Nightborne. Subraces are more like the different troll tribes.

Why are you accusing me of something I haven't said. I'm not advocating for silvermoon to turn blue, I'm not even advocating for anything. This is a video game, not a political issue. I'm mostly thinking from a design perspective on how Blizzard is likely to handle it.

Every expansion has a hub - fact
Silvermoon is the first thing the average person thinks about when they consider a hub in Quel'thalas - fact
Blizzard has stated Midnight will be about reuniting the scattered elven tribes - fact

Reuniting doesn't have to mean sharing a city, but given that it is in the defense of Quel'thalas, I find it hard to believe we'll walk away without Void Elves and High Elves being welcomed into Silvermoon without pledging allegiance to the Horde, given the narrative is reunification. So, if Void, Blood, and High Elves are reunifying, and other alliances races will need a hub in Quel'thalas, and we aren't seeing a trend back towards faction conflict, it seems the reasonable conclusion is that we cannot rule out Silvermoon as a shared hub.

This is all just simple logic, this doesn't have to be this weird alliance vs horde blue vs red fight to speculate about this stuff. Blizzard will do what they want to do, and they don't think about game development as catering to this sort of thinking.

I will concede that it could be possible for there to be an alliance hub in say, Stratholme or Deatholme, but I find that unlikely since that goes against both the themes of reunification and the focus on the elves by putting them in a human city that we know is still in ruins.

[Grazrug]

Why are you accusing me of something I haven't said. I'm not advocating for silvermoon to turn blue, I'm not even advocating for anything. This is a video game, not a political issue. I'm mostly thinking from a design perspective on how Blizzard is likely to handle it.

Every expansion has a hub - fact
Silvermoon is the first thing the average person thinks about when they consider a hub in Quel'thalas - fact
Blizzard has stated Midnight will be about reuniting the scattered elven tribes - fact

Reuniting doesn't have to mean sharing a city, but given that it is in the defense of Quel'thalas, I find it hard to believe we'll walk away without Void Elves and High Elves being welcomed into Silvermoon without pledging allegiance to the Horde, given the narrative is reunification. So, if Void, Blood, and High Elves are reunifying, and other alliances races will need a hub in Quel'thalas, and we aren't seeing a trend back towards faction conflict, it seems the reasonable conclusion is that we cannot rule out Silvermoon as a shared hub.

This is all just simple logic, this doesn't have to be this weird alliance vs horde blue vs red fight to speculate about this stuff. Blizzard will do what they want to do, and they don't think about game development as catering to this sort of thinking.

I will concede that it could be possible for there to be an alliance hub in say, Stratholme or Deatholme, but I find that unlikely since that goes against both the themes of reunification and the focus on the elves by putting them in a human city that we know is still in ruins.

It creates an ugly precedence and is just another wink that all nice things in the game are somehow alliance property by default. That needs to stop. They would never do the same thing with Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff and that iw why many blood elf players are rigthfull angry.


Before we even think about peace talk, Alleria, Umbric and Vereesa should apologize for their crimes to the Horde.

[The-Shan]

It creates an ugly precedence and is just another wink that all nice things in the game are somehow alliance property by default. That needs to stop. They would never do the same thing with Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff and that iw why many blood elf players are rigthfull angry.

Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Honestly, as a blood elf player myself I think there's a cool nuance in having a city that is inhabited by the Horde and the Alliance. It doesn't take it away from me, it just shows that warcraft can be more complicated than red vs blue.

[Grazrug]

Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Honestly, as a blood elf player myself I think there's a cool nuance in having a city that is inhabited by the Horde and the Alliance. It doesn't take it away from me, it just shows that warcraft can be more complicated than red vs blue.

Not at all. Void elves and high elves want Quel'thalas to be alliance. All their leaders agree on this. The divide is still there and the blood elves are the most obvious sign of it. If Bob and his regime ever cared about the wellbeing of the nation then all traitors should be killed on sight.

[Alanar]

You really are not all there are you? You call him arrogant then laugh in his face that Blizzard is gonna listen to you and do what you want just because. Oh boy. You should look up what arrogant means, also might wanna check the word HYPOCRISY as well.

He isn't even trying to hide hes arrogance at this point. How some one can be so wrong and still think hes right even with multiple links and explanations which are canon. He simply doesn't understand how it works.

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Silvermoon is a bit more complicated than that honestly, given that the alliance has a race that also has grounds to call it home, despite their exile. There is a narrative path to inviting them home, given the war is over (& has been for years) and they are unlikely to write a war story any time soon.

Hmm I don't think t's very complicated myself. As for those exiles, there isn't much to be said there.. they are exiles yes, but we have already seen some High elf pilgrims visiting the Sunwell way before. The thing is, High elves aren't really the problem anymore since they are playable on both factions for a while now. That being said, that leaves us with the only version left, which are Void elves and they simply don't have a claim and Alleria has been kicked out of Quel'thalas at the end of Legion, it's no longer their home according to Lor'themar.
You are right that it's peace time in wow, but I don't believe this will just stick around. It's warcraft afterall, but I expect the elf version of horde/alliance moment coming together again in Midnight. I am interested tho in what they will give Void elves to do and how they solve this. I feel like a possible solution is to have them come in help to get rid of the Sunwell, because idk maybe it's infected by the Void and they have the knowledge or power to help the other forces for example.

Side thing, but I said it before, imo there is nothing interesting that hasn't been told already on the blood elves, for the void elves there. The only way to make them interesting is if they actually develop them as their own thing. They are badly in need of some attention. They haven't even interacted with their own allies, nor is it propelling forward if they just lean on the shadow of the blood elves. We have seen that already.

This got me thinking twice tho, but I do kinda wonder.. if scattered elven tribes actually mean our known elf versions. I mean the ones who we know are they really scattered? why the word tribes? for example Blood elves and Nightborne kinda came together in a nice way and feel united already in that sense or are we talking about other elven subfactions who are still kinda wondering about? Darkfallen, fel elves?
I guess since we are all speculating on what everything means, I thought I could do that as well.

Meh, sorry for the wall.. got distracted.