Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[LowestFormOfWit]

Yeah his whole 'Faction Identity' thing was a bit...wait..what? Kind of deal.

The Horde have Nightborne..."You want to play Night Elves on Horde, well you can't but the Alliance is waiting there for you..." except you can...the whole Faction Identity thing is completely undone just by the Nightborne alone, you slap a Nightborne in full plate armour with an enclosed helm and with certain skin tones you literally could not tell the difference between them and Night elves.

The Alliance have Void Elves..."You want to play Blood Elves on Alliance, well you can't but the Horde is waiting there for you..." except you can...the whole Faction Identity thing is completely undone just by the Void Elves alone, you slap a Void Elf in full plate armour with an enclosed helm and with certain skin tones you literally could not tell the difference between them and Void elves.

Funny how that works both ways.....it's almost like they intentionalltly made Void Elves and Nightborne to give the other faction a skeleton they didn't have before.

Thanks for letting us know that if you cover up a playermodel in full armor and a closed helm, they'll look just like the main race they borrow animations from. Good tip for all the people who want a High Elf. Just cover up everything on a Void Elf and voila!

Why wasn't this suggested sooner?

[In Ogres We Trust]

It's almost like something happened in WCIII... hmm...

Which has nothing to do with them joining the Horde. The whole plot was nonsensical BS to balance out the factions/realms for a silly, two-faction game (when it should have been three to four).

P.S. The game would be in a better state if they expanded upon the neutral races.

[Deleted]

Lord save us from the upcoming storm. The only thing worse than more elf races are pet-based races.

So what races DO you want then?

Seriously, name me the option for an Alliance Allied race.

Wildhammer? Nope...just got Dark Iron and they ain't doing another Dwarf Allied race this expac, you fucking know it.

Broken? Actually would have been cooler than including the frankly phoned in Lightforged (Jesus them and the High Mountain were such lazy additions worthy of being customisation options and not an entire separate race) but because of the bloody Lightforged they suffer the same problems as the Wildhammer.

High Elves? Hell no, they ain't happening and it is a good thing too. Blizzard fucked up by not turning all High Elves into Void Elves...boom, problem solved, no longer gets bought up. They didn't though, they fucked it up...congrats Blizzard, you played yourself...

Night Elf Worgen? Oh just fuck off already, they're pretty much in the same vein as Lightforged at this point...sure different lore implications but they're a bland ass option and another bloody boring reskin. Oh wait...we can't include them anyway because they're a pet-based race. Well thank fuck for that.

So...where does that leave us...oh look..the animalistic races are literally some of the ONLY options left that are even remotely good. Or do you want AU Draenor Draenei to be added that just add a new set of horns and some shite racials?

Jesus christ...I mean sure if you can bring up a race that ISN'T a bland ass, boring, steaming pile that could get me excited to actually play them (because so far ALL of the Allied races have been massive misses with me, yes, even the announced ones for after launch have not raised so much as a 'meh' from me) then go ahead because I know full well Naga ain't an option...

So...what we got left? 'Pet-based races' rules out things like the Jinyu (they're based on Fish), the Saberon, the Sethrak, the

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The Alliance have Void Elves..."You want to play Blood Elves on Alliance, well you can't but the Horde is waiting there for you..." except you can...the whole Faction Identity thing is completely undone just by the Void Elves alone, you slap a Void Elf in full plate armour with an enclosed helm and with certain skin tones you literally could not tell the difference between them and Void elves.

Funny how that works both ways.....it's almost like they intentionalltly made Void Elves and Nightborne to give the other faction a skeleton they didn't have before.

Thanks for letting us know that if you cover up a playermodel in full armor and a closed helm, they'll look just like the main race they borrow animations from. Good tip for all the people who want a High Elf. Just cover up everything on a Void Elf and voila!

Why wasn't this suggested sooner?

Except you CAN tell the difference between Void Elf in plate armour and Blood Elf in plate armour (remember, Elf ears stick THROUGH plate helms)...the two do not share skin tones...unlike the Nightborne where they DO share a skintone...

[Magnagarde]

So what races DO you want then?

Seriously, name me the option for an Alliance Allied race.

Wildhammer? Nope...just got Dark Iron and they ain't doing another Dwarf Allied race this expac, you fucking know it.

Broken? Actually would have been cooler than including the frankly phoned in Lightforged (Jesus them and the High Mountain were such lazy additions worthy of being customisation options and not an entire separate race) but because of the bloody Lightforged they suffer the same problems as the Wildhammer.

High Elves? Hell no, they ain't happening and it is a good thing too. Blizzard fucked up by not turning all High Elves into Void Elves...boom, problem solved, no longer gets bought up. They didn't though, they fucked it up...congrats Blizzard, you played yourself...

Night Elf Worgen? Oh just fuck off already, they're pretty much in the same vein as Lightforged at this point...sure different lore implications but they're a bland ass option and another bloody boring reskin. Oh wait...we can't include them anyway because they're a pet-based race. Well thank fuck for that.

So...where does that leave us...oh look..the animalistic races are literally some of the ONLY options left that are even remotely good. Or do you want AU Draenor Draenei to be added that just add a new set of horns and some shite racials?

Jesus christ...I mean sure if you can bring up a race that ISN'T a bland ass, boring, steaming pile that could get me excited to actually play them (because so far ALL of the Allied races have been massive misses with me, yes, even the announced ones for after launch have not raised so much as a 'meh' from me) then go ahead because I know full well Naga ain't an option...

So...what we got left? 'Pet-based races' rules out things like the Jinyu (they're based on Fish), the Saberon, the Sethrak, the

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Except you CAN tell the difference between Void Elf in plate armour and Blood Elf in plate armour...the two do not share skin tones...unlike the Nightborne where they DO share a skintone...

I'd rather have none than some forced pet-based race that is made only because there's many people that fall for animals.

Horde turtles(TNMT if they ever visit Undercity), Alliance LEGO Ninjago snakes(Sethrak), fox iterations of gipsies and what not are more theme-shattering when it comes to "faction identity" than high elves and they have been denied tonight for that very reason(ie why would the Alliance accept a race that literally eats other humanoids; why would the Horde ever take some weak sand-crawling foxes into their ranks). Faction identity doesn't necessarily need to be shattered by one of the two major factions; it can be shattered by things that are unrelated to either and are about forced into one of the two.

The issue with allied races is that Blizzard pumped out too many over a short period of time. They'll have added more races with BfA than they've added since vanilla and that says a lot.

[Eurhetemec]

Nope. let’s be completely honest here. No matter what Ion said, you would still be here continuing to demand, because like spoiled children you can't take NO for an answer.

Harsh, but it's true.

People can claim "Oh I would accept it if his argument were better or he had a lore reason!", but it's just a convenient lie. People who want HEs will not accept it until they're in the game. Even if there was a TREMENDOUS lore reason why there were no HEs any more, people would just come up with an elaborate obscure idea on how a handful of HEs could technically have survived, therefore HEs need to be in the game.

[Ithekro]

Well you could, but Void Elves going into Void Form and ruins the "covered up approach" entirely.

[Shinkishi]

Which has nothing to do with them joining the Horde. The whole plot was nonsensical BS to balance out the factions/realms for a silly, two-faction game (when it should have been three to four).

P.S. The game would be in a better state if they expanded upon the neutral races.

Enough of this elf stuff.

Hey ogre guy, the allied race I want is mok'nathal and clearly they can't come along with normal ogres. We need to have a big fight and turn the giant allied race storm toward that. It's time!

[Deleted]

I'd rather have none than some forced pet-based race that is made only because there's many people that fall for animals.

Well then..perhaps ye can fuck off over there then and play the races you want to play while those of us who want an actually new race that might actually be kind of fun (since we're definitely not getting Naga any time soon, which was literally the only race I wanted to actually play since WC3: Frozen Throne).

I'd rather get a metric shit-ton of races, fuck it, you know what, throw in the Gnolls, the Quillboar, fuck I'd even take Harpies (no idea how they would work), whatever just not more bland boring recolours of existing races or boring "human but bulky" race options, give me something actually different.

[Magnagarde]

Well then..perhaps ye can fuck off over there then and play the races you want to play while those of us who want an actually new race that might actually be kind of fun (since we're definitely not getting Naga any time soon, which was literally the only race I wanted to actually play since WC3: Frozen Throne).

I'd rather get a metric shit-ton of races, fuck it, you know what, throw in the Gnolls, the Quillboar, fuck I'd even take Harpies (no idea how they would work), whatever just not more bland boring recolours of existing races or boring "human but bulky" race options, give me something actually different.

Or just go buy a pet and have fun with it, instead of asking for a Tamagotchi MMO.

[Deleted]

Yeah that comeback made real sense >.> jesus christ Magna...

[Magnagarde]

Yeah that comeback made real sense >.> jesus christ Magna...

Hey, it's signature-worthy material.

[Jastall]

But they look exactly like regular humans...WITH BLUE EYES !

Do they? Arathor looks like a copypasta High Elf.

[Nuggsy]

I'm quite happy with Ion's response to the flood of annoying High Elf questions. For what feels like the umpteenth time he has stated Blizzard's views on High Elves and it's that they're already in the game without the blue eyes. You want to play a high elf that badly? The Horde is right there... have at it.

While it would have made far more sense to give the Alliance the blue-eyed elves given their history, Blizzard decided to pull Void Elves out of their ass. It's not what we wanted but it's what we got and while it sucks ass, we need to face it. Blizzard isn't giving the Alliance Blue-Eyed Blood Elves.

It was so triggering to go onto the forums intended for the QnA only to see it flooded with people whining about High Elves. There are far more important topics that needed to be discussed but again they had to tell them it wasn't going to happen. At this point people demanding High Elves are more annoying than the people demanding Vanilla. If you want to play twiggy pink elves, the Horde is right there (But with Blizzard turning the Horde into the bad guy I don't suggest it unless you can't stand the pain of not having your precious elves.)

[Tripzzz]

This answer was kinda obvious and expected but they really should do something about all the high elf NPCs on the alliance since that is literally what fuels the pro-high elf side. They need to have them all either get killed or convert into void elves or a combination of the two. Otherwise it will never stop. In fact Ion saying "anything is possible" literally means the constant high elf demands will never stop. If you want to play a high elf, just roll horde and only group up with other blood elves since they are everywhere(the racial nerf might help reduce them a bit, filtering out those who played because of how OP it was.)

Also Void elves need alot more spotlight on them since they clearly have a furture in the story and in the Alliance.



Plus they have an amazing heritage set.

[Aldo Hawk]

I'm gonna repeat myself:

I don't care if Alliance get's them or not, but what i care is that Ion simply told facts that have been debunked in the past.

Population numbers - Debunked (Goblin, Draenei, Darkspear, Blood elves, Mulgore Tauren, Gnomes, all of those are a small portion of survivors by how the lore presents them to us, and then there is the Void Elves, who are the lesser populated race in the whole Warcraft universe).
Aesthetic - Debunked (Don't come up with the carbon copy crap, playable characters can (and should) be tweaked to look different, look at current allied races).
Lore - Debunked (There are even Blood Elves (Blood elves, litterally) who are not Horde and do not live in Silvermoon, and there are High Elves who didn't even were in Silvermoon when the events of the Scourge and the Pilgrimage to Outland happened and refuse to go horde).


And again, i'm a horde diehard player, but i totally understand why alliance players want something like the silver covenant to be playable, and i know that i prefer to fight against my philosophical rival than fight against traitors that infuse themselves with void energy and are edgy and cringy as fuck (There's not a mixture in the void elf population, they all are blood elves exiled from Silvermoon).

This is not over, Ion stated at the final of the answer that anything is posibble in the future and that there's no plans in the near future. Void elves were a way to give the alliance a thalassian character taking advantage of the storyline of argus and the returning of Alleria and Turalyon as a couple that uses Light and Void powers, linking it to the Alleria desire of retaking Silvermoon for the alliance and the incompatibility of the void magic with the sunwell. Void Elves were not what Alliance wanted, Blizzard just came out with that, and while some liked them, some others didn't accept them as the final response because that were not what they asked for in the first place (even the fact that all void elves are blood elves just point this out more).

And friggin' again, i'm not an alliance player by any means, i never leveled an alliance character more than 20 levels, is not something about me wanting to play them, i just understand alliance wanting them because looks and lore, and i prefer high elves than void elves to fight against, and i wanted them in the alliance since i knew there were more thalassians than blood elves back then when i started playing wow in 2009.

Ion didn't stated anything in stone again, he just reminded us that blood elves exists for whoever wants to play that kind of elf, he didn't said no, he just apologised for not having a positive response on the matter and said that it can change over time.

[FlubberPuddy]

Yeah, I feel sorry for you dude, maybe later on^^

I don't like the gloating from some of the anti-Helfers(nor would I like it if it was the other way, laughing at others "misfortune" isn't a cool thing) but there wasn't anything that indicated that they would make High Elf playable in BfA anyway, but you seem to have the kind of attitude towards it that I admire at least.

As Aragorn so proudly said it: There is always hope

Your forum-title suits you ^^

Thank you I always knew they wouldn't be coming any time soon. I knew it would be much much later given that Void Elves just released. Hence why I believe Ion said 'near term'. Regardless, I can go back to enjoying the game as I always have instead of spending a lot of forum time. They granted more clarity to how the AR system is: emphasizing differences between the factions.

So in that case, I understand where Ion is coming from. Hopefully another type of race system that isn't so focused on "distinctness" comes later.

Either way, I always have and still continue to enjoy WoW

[Sorrior]

The Alliance have Void Elves..."You want to play Blood Elves on Alliance, well you can't but the Horde is waiting there for you..." except you can...the whole Faction Identity thing is completely undone just by the Void Elves alone, you slap a Void Elf in full plate armour with an enclosed helm and with certain skin tones you literally could not tell the difference between them and Void elves.

Funny how that works both ways.....it's almost like they intentionalltly made Void Elves and Nightborne to give the other faction a skeleton they didn't have before.

Thanks for letting us know that if you cover up a playermodel in full armor and a closed helm, they'll look just like the main race they borrow animations from. Good tip for all the people who want a High Elf. Just cover up everything on a Void Elf and voila!

Why wasn't this suggested sooner?

Your mistaie is in assuming people want HE for the BE modelm most really don't it seems but want wellll a he and what they represent

[Enkrypt]

Why? Why should the community accept their BS?

Because they make the game. They aren't some third party saying this or that, unlike ALL of the pro-High Elfers claiming the contrary.

That's why. Not really our fault you can't stomach it. GG

[corebit]

Your mistaie is in assuming people want HE for the BE modelm most really don't it seems but want wellll a he and what they represent

Really? So all the concept arts that are basically Blood Elves just with different hairstyle and facial tattoos were just my imagination?

[Darththeo]

Because they make the game. They aren't some third party saying this or that, unlike ALL of the pro-High Elfers claiming the contrary.

That's why. Not really our fault you can't stomach it. GG

That doesn't answer the question posed. Just because they make the game doesn't mean we should accept their bullshit explanations. That doesn't follow.

They could explain something with "It's magic, so that's that." I doubt many people would find such an explanation acceptable.