Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

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Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.

One, the wiki is the not an authoritative source and its statements are only based on what was observable for the longest time in-game. Two, who the hell cares? Black elves are harmless, especially when we've had much more insufferable wokisms pumped down our throats for the last few expansions. There are many millennialisms in the current lore, but black elves aren't one of them. They're irrelevant. Third, even if it were one of the more wretched things we had to suffer, it's not a "blasphemy". If you seriously think that, stop being overdramatic and get a real religion and real framework beyond media consumption.

[Ardenaso]

I believe Garithos was from Lordaeron. Dalaran intentionally stayed out of the faction conflict since the 2nd war.

the Kirin Tor allowed it to happen; Modera and Ansirem just watched

[Vaedan]

Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.

You know, perhaps Sunwell reignited with new energies resulted in new transformation among elves... it definitely brought golden eyes, so it could bring darker skin tones as well. With their culture being heavily focused on Sun, darker skin tones definitely feels thematic. It is very minor thing actually which does not have negative impact.

[Ersula]

the Kirin Tor allowed it to happen; Modera and Ansirem just watched

Huh? Dalaran was just annhilated by the Scourge right before Silvermoon was. Why would they be responsible for what a random Lordaeron lord is doing?

[Ardenaso]

Huh? Dalaran was just annhilated by the Scourge right before Silvermoon was. Why would they be responsible for what a random Lordaeron lord is doing?

the Kirin Tor council may have witnessed the sentencing, Rommath himself said the two just watched and let it happen

[Vaedan]

the Kirin Tor council may have witnessed the sentencing, Rommath himself said the two just watched and let it happen

Kirin Tor was in shambles, their leader, Antonidas, just died. It is possible surviving members of the council were in chaos.
I also thought Garithos claimed leadership of what remained of the Alliance, meaning he was on the top of the hierarchy. That would mean Kirin Tor would fall under his orders, so surviving Council of the Six members could not effectively do much in that situation. Questioning his decisions would most likely result in Garithos punishing them. It could also reinforce the decision why Kirin Tor later decided to leave Alliance and become neutral faction.

This situation is not very well explained and most of this is just left for discussions and will most likely remain this way forever.

[Tanaria]

Kirin Tor was in shambles, their leader, Antonidas, just died. It is possible surviving members of the council were in chaos.
I also thought Garithos claimed leadership of what remained of the Alliance, meaning he was on the top of the hierarchy. That would mean Kirin Tor would fall under his orders, so surviving Council of the Six members could not effectively do much in that situation. Questioning his decisions would most likely result in Garithos punishing them. It could also reinforce the decision why Kirin Tor later decided to leave Alliance and become neutral faction.

This situation is not very well explained and most of this is just left for discussions and will most likely remain this way forever.

It's not made clear as to why Modera and the sort remained very silent on the execution...but their must have been a degree of defiance somewhere because Kael'thas' old Mage tutor, a female high elf, was still part of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor, as she completely disagreed with having the Naga as allies and so she remained behind with the Kirin Tor (obviously later joined with Malygos.)

It must have been after Garithos had left and Modera remained behind...now that he was gone, Modera perhaps rallied any High/Blood Elves who disagreed with Kael'thas and hence...they remained as Kirin Tor Mages (whilst some defected to Malygos.)

[Ardenaso]

another Re-Reforged Silvermoon progress video; Valiyant's map base also looks good I think, I wonder if the High Elfers would approve

[Dingdong2078]

One, the wiki is the not an authoritative source and its statements are only based on what was observable for the longest time in-game.

The wiki is literally pulling from various sources like books all the way from 2007 and even earlier and even in game items if I remember correctly, what is an "authorative source" according to you?
The f*cking (retcon) chronicles? lol

You know, perhaps Sunwell reignited with new energies resulted in new transformation among elves... it definitely brought golden eyes, so it could bring darker skin tones as well. With their culture being heavily focused on Sun, darker skin tones definitely feels thematic. It is very minor thing actually which does not have negative impact.

Why would the sunwell do the opposite to what it did before, it made them lose their pigmentation, you know what happens when something loses its pigmentation?
It gets lighter in colour.
Stop pretending like the dark skin they added doesn't go against already established old ass lore and that it's not just some DEI nonsense.

[Lahis]

Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.

Anyone still complaining about black elves should be permanently banned from these forums, the game and everywhere else for their insufferable racism.

[Vaedan]

Why would the sunwell do the opposite to what it did before, it made them lose their pigmentation, you know what happens when something loses its pigmentation?
It gets lighter in colour.
Stop pretending like the dark skin they added doesn't go against already established old ass lore and that it's not just some DEI nonsense.

Sunwell used to be made purely of arcane infused waters of original Well of Eternity. Now it is infused with Light (Naaru core) and also arcane energies harvested from Netherstorm (distilled Nether)... So it is pretty much different Sunwell to what it used to be. That's the reason why it can now manifest it's influence on elves differently (and it already does).

[Tanaria]

Sunwell used to be made purely of arcane infused waters of original Well of Eternity. Now it is infused with Light (Naaru core) and also arcane energies harvested from Netherstorm (distilled Nether)... So it is pretty much different Sunwell to what it used to be. That's the reason why it can now manifest it's influence on elves differently (and it already does).

It always confused me when Thalyssra states "as potent as the Nightwell, but of a different nature.." because I always thought that, "girl, this is a small part of your former Queen's Well of Eternity...surely you should recognise it.."

But, it being combined with Arcane energies of the Netherstorm makes sense since neither Thalyssra nor her Nightborne Magisters have ever been to the Netherstorm...or even Outland.

[Vaedan]

It always confused me when Thalyssra states "as potent as the Nightwell, but of a different nature.." because I always thought that, "girl, this is a small part of your former Queen's Well of Eternity...surely you should recognise it.."

But, it being combined with Arcane energies of the Netherstorm makes sense since neither Thalyssra nor her Nightborne Magisters have ever been to the Netherstorm...or even Outland.

She could sense the difference either in Light essence of the M'uru's core or arcane energies of harvested Nether... or both.

Either way, I think it is enough evidence to assume that modern Sunwell is different to the original one, which was made purely out of Well of Eternity. We also looted vial with waters of Well from Kael after his first defeat in Tempest Keep, so I believe none of this water used to restore Sunwell - he no longer had it.

Sure, new blood elf customizations like golden eyes and dark skin might not be direct result of new Sunwell, but seeing new NPCs using these customizations, it pretty much make these character features canon for the race.

[Tanaria]

She could sense the difference either in Light essence of the M'uru's core or arcane energies of harvested Nether... or both.

Either way, I think it is enough evidence to assume that modern Sunwell is different to the original one, which was made purely out of Well of Eternity. We also looted vial with waters of Well from Kael after his first defeat in Tempest Keep, so I believe none of this water used to restore Sunwell - he no longer had it.

Sure, new blood elf customizations like golden eyes and dark skin might not be direct result of new Sunwell, but seeing new NPCs using these customizations, it pretty much make these character features canon for the race.

Do you think then...if the Sunwell had remained as it was (was purely just Anveena) without Light and Arcane Netherstorm influences...then Thalyssra would be able to detect the old Well of Eternity? Just like she did when her and Occuleth were in Nazjatar?

It's an interesting topic...and makes the Blood Elf/Nightborne Mage union even more interesting.

[Rhlor]

Second war
https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1823811865375285454
Sylvanas, alleria and lorthemar

[Tanaria]

Second war
https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1823811865375285454
Sylvanas, alleria and lorthemar

With Liadrin and Halduron and an unnamed female ranger in the back...wouldn't be Vereesa as she was too young during the Second War. A Ranger Apprentice..

[Ardenaso]

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Which Sunwell would be better for the Re-Reforged?

[Ardenaso]

Outside one during the Kael'thas trailer.

That one's good too perhaps

[Ardenaso]

High Elf Archers WC2 style in Chronicles Of The Second War

[BaumanKing]

High Elf Archers WC2 style in Chronicles Of The Second War

This is awesome! When is the Alliance campaign coming out?