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    Why don't we just celebrate the fact that Thalassian Elves in general will be getting a lot of lore development during this saga.

    Void Elves in the War Within, so they are developed as their own thing. Developed where they aren't reliant on Blood Elves, in the way that High Elves are written.
    Expand the Void Elves to also have a very core meaning of "The War Within."

    Expand the Void Elves in the same way where the Blood Elves are confirmed to be expanded in Midnight.

    This will also certainly develop the lore for High, Void and Blood Elf Farstriders as well.

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    We're all here because we love Thalassian Elves, regardless of their affiliations. Obviously we all prefer one/two of the three main factions - I obviously prefer Blood Elves and High Elves, because playing a void elf and turning dark purple, everytime I fight something, just isn't for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    But Lyria Skystrider and Ennas are no longer blood elves. They became void elves. They were just able to more or less maintain their previous appearance. Their hairstyle became void-like, and Lyria's eyes turned blue.
    Actually the dev who worked on all these new NPC additions said on their twitter that Telogrus is a mish mash now of Void Elves / Blood Elves / High Elves, that some of them don't identify as Void Elves - it's not a binary thing and left more up in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Why don't we just celebrate the fact that Thalassian Elves in general will be getting a lot of lore development during this saga.
    Yeah this is the best way to go about it, I'm not sure why people are still trying to be tribalistic with their chosen favorite elf race in a video game of all things, especially when the developers have said that Midnight will be about uniting the Elves again.

    The changes to Telogrus are set for what's to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Yeah this is the best way to go about it, I'm not sure why people are still trying to be tribalistic with their chosen favorite elf race in a video game of all things, especially when the developers have said that Midnight will be about uniting the Elves again.

    The changes to Telogrus are set for what's to come.
    The recent NPCS of High Elven Mages of the Silver Covenant and Dalaran and the Blood Elven Mages of the Sunreavers should indicate where we're going in Midnight.

    I have no doubt that Midnight will involve both the Sunreavers and Silver Covenant.
    I do hope High Elves take up a more active role in "Arcane Mage" affairs and Blood Elves take up a bigger role in "Fel Magic/Warlock" affairs - especially if we're saying goodbye to the Sunwell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    I have no doubt that Midnight will involve both the Sunreavers and Silver Covenant.
    You're probably right but only because Blizzard makes very strange political developments in the story. The Sunreavers & Silver Covenant have no connection to Silvermoon: They're citizens of Dalaran.

    Perhaps Lorethemar takes them in in response to Dalaran being destroyed. But if that's the case, the proposed idea of Silvermoon being a neutral hub will only be for the duration of Midnight & Dalaran will probably be rebuilt before 13.0.

    Though I still prefer my idea that the new Exodar will fly over Quel'thalas & be the Alliances hub for Midnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You're probably right but only because Blizzard makes very strange political developments in the story. The Sunreavers & Silver Covenant have no connection to Silvermoon: They're citizens of Dalaran.

    Perhaps Lorethemar takes them in in response to Dalaran being destroyed. But if that's the case, the proposed idea of Silvermoon being a neutral hub will only be for the duration of Midnight & Dalaran will probably be rebuilt before 13.0.

    Though I still prefer my idea that the new Exodar will fly over Quel'thalas & be the Alliances hub for Midnight.
    The Sunreavers do have a connection to Silvermoon, as they are Blood Elves.

    By lore standards, they are associated with both the Magisters of Silvermoon, their own group within the Kirin Tor as well as the Horde - likely the Kirin Tor Blood Elf Mages around Northrend, whom you see in the Horde Camps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    The Sunreavers do have a connection to Silvermoon, as they are Blood Elves.

    By lore standards, they are associated with both the Magisters of Silvermoon, their own group within the Kirin Tor as well as the Horde - likely the Kirin Tor Blood Elf Mages around Northrend, whom you see in the Horde Camps.
    That's like saying Kul Tirans have a connection with Stormwind, because they're human. They *know* the Magisters of Silvermoon but they're only connection is they chose the pre-arathi aesthetics of Quel'thalas to draw upon; that's it. An elf cannot know two masters, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That's like saying Kul Tirans have a connection with Stormwind, because they're human. They *know* the Magisters of Silvermoon but they're only connection is they chose the pre-arathi aesthetics of Quel'thalas to draw upon; that's it. An elf cannot know two masters, so to speak.
    They have pretty much always been dual citizens, though for the most part ultimately loyal to Quel'thalas. Kael'thas himself being a prime example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That's like saying Kul Tirans have a connection with Stormwind, because they're human. They *know* the Magisters of Silvermoon but they're only connection is they chose the pre-arathi aesthetics of Quel'thalas to draw upon; that's it. An elf cannot know two masters, so to speak.
    The crown prince of Quel'thalas was part of Kirin Tor and lived in Dalaran. It's the same with the Sunreavers, employed and accommodated by a neutral faction, but their ultimate loyalties are for their original homeland.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

    But was where Dalaran?

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    Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

    Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.

    They have shorter ears and much smaller, lighter bodies than night elves. In addition, their ears usually point upwards whereas those of the night elves do not.

    High elves have white, red, orange brown, black, and blonde colored hair and fair skin, most have brilliantly intense sapphire coloured eyes that glow (at least in World of Warcraft). In World of Warcraft high elves have blue, sapphire glowing eyes (but have more variation according to lore, including green eyes[5][15]). The blood elves have only green, emerald glowing eyes to show their magic addiction and their newly acquired addiction to fel magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    It's the same with the Sunreavers, employed and accommodated by a neutral faction, but their ultimate loyalties are for their original homeland.
    kinda weird they still choose to live and visit Dalaran even after Garithos and then Jaina and Vereesa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    kinda weird they still choose to live and visit Dalaran even after Garithos and then Jaina and Vereesa
    I believe Garithos was from Lordaeron. Dalaran intentionally stayed out of the faction conflict since the 2nd war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    kinda weird they still choose to live and visit Dalaran even after Garithos and then Jaina and Vereesa
    No counter argument on that from me.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

    But was where Dalaran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzhel View Post
    Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

    Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.
    One, the wiki is the not an authoritative source and its statements are only based on what was observable for the longest time in-game. Two, who the hell cares? Black elves are harmless, especially when we've had much more insufferable wokisms pumped down our throats for the last few expansions. There are many millennialisms in the current lore, but black elves aren't one of them. They're irrelevant. Third, even if it were one of the more wretched things we had to suffer, it's not a "blasphemy". If you seriously think that, stop being overdramatic and get a real religion and real framework beyond media consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I believe Garithos was from Lordaeron. Dalaran intentionally stayed out of the faction conflict since the 2nd war.
    the Kirin Tor allowed it to happen; Modera and Ansirem just watched
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzhel View Post
    Those "High elves" npcs pictures posted on last pages are fraud. High elves are not black, they are fair skin according to the lore.

    Despite of every woke blue haired yellers, black skin tone for high elves is a blasphemy and a fraud to the lore.
    You know, perhaps Sunwell reignited with new energies resulted in new transformation among elves... it definitely brought golden eyes, so it could bring darker skin tones as well. With their culture being heavily focused on Sun, darker skin tones definitely feels thematic. It is very minor thing actually which does not have negative impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    the Kirin Tor allowed it to happen; Modera and Ansirem just watched
    Huh? Dalaran was just annhilated by the Scourge right before Silvermoon was. Why would they be responsible for what a random Lordaeron lord is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Huh? Dalaran was just annhilated by the Scourge right before Silvermoon was. Why would they be responsible for what a random Lordaeron lord is doing?
    the Kirin Tor council may have witnessed the sentencing, Rommath himself said the two just watched and let it happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    the Kirin Tor council may have witnessed the sentencing, Rommath himself said the two just watched and let it happen
    Kirin Tor was in shambles, their leader, Antonidas, just died. It is possible surviving members of the council were in chaos.
    I also thought Garithos claimed leadership of what remained of the Alliance, meaning he was on the top of the hierarchy. That would mean Kirin Tor would fall under his orders, so surviving Council of the Six members could not effectively do much in that situation. Questioning his decisions would most likely result in Garithos punishing them. It could also reinforce the decision why Kirin Tor later decided to leave Alliance and become neutral faction.

    This situation is not very well explained and most of this is just left for discussions and will most likely remain this way forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Kirin Tor was in shambles, their leader, Antonidas, just died. It is possible surviving members of the council were in chaos.
    I also thought Garithos claimed leadership of what remained of the Alliance, meaning he was on the top of the hierarchy. That would mean Kirin Tor would fall under his orders, so surviving Council of the Six members could not effectively do much in that situation. Questioning his decisions would most likely result in Garithos punishing them. It could also reinforce the decision why Kirin Tor later decided to leave Alliance and become neutral faction.

    This situation is not very well explained and most of this is just left for discussions and will most likely remain this way forever.
    It's not made clear as to why Modera and the sort remained very silent on the execution...but their must have been a degree of defiance somewhere because Kael'thas' old Mage tutor, a female high elf, was still part of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor, as she completely disagreed with having the Naga as allies and so she remained behind with the Kirin Tor (obviously later joined with Malygos.)

    It must have been after Garithos had left and Modera remained behind...now that he was gone, Modera perhaps rallied any High/Blood Elves who disagreed with Kael'thas and hence...they remained as Kirin Tor Mages (whilst some defected to Malygos.)
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