Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ielenia]

Or you can look at it that Suramar is a night elven city,

No, we can't. We can't, because it isn't. It stopped being a night elf city ("night elf", as in, the playable race) the moment the kal'dorei abandoned the city and banned its culture and traditions ten thousand years ago, and didn't even care to send a single scouting party to Suramar to check up on it in that time.

They thought this would be life forever and without starlight, called themselves children of the night instead of hte stars, continuing in the night elf culture. When the shield comes down, both night elven groups meet up together to save their city. the fact that group 2 has bene in there all this time doesn't stop it from being hte city group 1 also comes from

Literally no one is saying that "group 1" (i.e. the druidic kal'dorei) did not come from Suramar. The issue here is that the "group 1" has relinquished all rights to the city the moment they abandoned it and didn't bother checking up on it for ten thousand years, and now you're arguing that they have just as much right to the city as those who lived millennia in it (if not even more so), as if the night elves just went out to buy groceries and return to see their front door locked.

the fact that group one saved the city too, technically gives them a level of ownership by virtue of that fact,

It really does not. Not at all. That's not how it works. Especially since Tyrande didn't do this out of the goodness of her heart, but because Elisande herself posed a threat to everyone.

Still, it's a city of night elves

Not any more. It's a city of nightborne now, and it has been such for ten thousand years.

Just because the high elves became blood elves, doesn't mean the high elves have no right to call it home.

High elves can call Silvermoon 'home' as much as they want, but it doesn't change the fact it's no longer their home because they were banished.

Given that neither the Nightborne, nor the Blood elves have said the city doesn't belong to night elves or high elves,

If you're going with the "what they DID NOT say" argument, then by that logic, nightborne and blood elves also never said their cities belong to night elves and high elves (respectively) either. :|

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Not really? SPeak for yourself, an entire 1335 page post of over 26k replies begs to differ.

Uh... evidence of that, please? Because I doubt even a 1/5th of those "26k replies" are about high elves retaking Silvermoon for themselves.

[Mace]

Stop crying...it's not real remember.

All your saying is just your personal opinion and it's just not important or relevant now.

Blizzard doesn't agree with you, so get over yourself and deal with it. Or take some time off WoW and focus on other things. It'll be alright. Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon will still be Blood Elf-themed. It's not the end of the world

I'm not crying the whole thing is ridiculous, but we have fun in this ridiculous world, it's a shame, they didn't try to mkae it good enough. too many compromises for the wrong reasons and not enough to make it work.

elves are on the horde not because it makes sense or is a good twist or a good plot. They are there because the game needed more people to play horde so it's pvp and world balance for it's activities would work - so someone had the bright idea of taking the much desired to be played high elves over to the horde, and making them as attractive as possible for all they represented, sot hat they would draw them over.

And that was final nail in the coffin of lore consistency and sense, but it didn't start in TBC , it started in classic. Night elves had no business on the alliance, nor did the scourge have any business on the horde. While the night elves can fit with the Alliance, the horde were broken to fit the Undead in, they remoulded the horde from the wc3 honourable savages, to now the oppressed and rejected minority in an alliance of convenience, the cracks that started the break were shattered when the alliance came ot the horde as the alliance, in the blood elves that returned to be sane and civil after finding their morality at the end of TBC.

Once that crazy break could happen, well anything could happen, bye bye consistency and stfu anyone who cared and complained about it. horde have pretty people and they're gorgeous, you just shut your mouth you bigot, leave the horde be, you can't have our elves. /rolleyes and such ahs been the attitude since, for all those who jumped the wagon. oh yes, i rolled a blood elf character, several, and been playing them to this day, but I never supported the move, and I never dropped my Alliance characters either. IU simply played both and liked both for what they were, while disagreeing with the move, but only from a story perspective, which is by far the most important, From a gameplay perspective, I thought it was a good move and applauded it while simultaneously pointing out how lore ruinous it was.

I was not hte only one by any means to make these points, but the devs responded that game play was what mattered the most, lore was secondary, and we got our answer.

[elbleuet]

Err Elisande is dead. Try again.

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Well it's on the same level as what the Horde were being made to do, during the past two expansions.

Doing quests for notable Alliance characters...but now, it's the reverse.
The Alliance, especially Arator - isn't doing anything for the Alliance. It's all for Silvermoon, Lor'themar and the Blood Elves

You'd have more of an argument against this clear fact, if Arator was acting more independently like Orwenya is, but he isn't. If he was an agent for the Silver Hand and Stormwind, but he isn't.
This is the big issue with the whole "High Elves share Silvermoon." This is your result of doing that. You have no High Elves. They all obey Lor'themar and the Horde Council, by extension.

I'm fairly certain, this isn't what you, as a High Elf and alliance players, want.

Ewww

We're defending Silvermoon not for the sake of the blood elves, but to save Azeroth because once again, a major threat is at play.

Doing quests for notable Alliance characters...but now, it's the reverse.
The Alliance, especially Arator - isn't doing anything for the Alliance. It's all for Silvermoon, Lor'themar and the Blood Elves

Yes, you did some quests for Alliance characters, but not for the Alliance : you did them to save Azeroth. It’s the same deal here, I’m afraid.

They all obey Lor'themar and the Horde Council, by extension.

Nah. The Horde council is completely absent from Midnight — there’s no mention of it because, as a council, they’re useless and powerless. All their members act on their own.

And yes, I was disappointed by the initial outcomes of Midnight. But with the Sunwell about to be gone, maybe this will allow the Void Elves to return to Silvermoon. We still have some territories in Quel’Thalas, the Void Elves got a massive overhaul of their thematics and architecture, and so far they’re quite influential — so all is not lost for us.

[Mace]

I still saw many Felborne and hostile Nightborne after she was defeated.

those were legion loyalists, not Elisande loyalists - they were on the broken shore quests of 7.2, and as both 7.0 and 7..1 showed, there were nightborne who were directly loyal to the legion and those who were loyal to Elisande, only following the legion because she was allied with them.

And no - the TBC Blood Elves of Silvermoon were NEVER Legion Loyalists. You'd know that if you actually understood their story and actually knew the difference between the Silvermoon Blood Elves of the Horde and the Sunfury Blood Elves on Outland.

The core blood elves went to outland, and were arranging to get the rest of those in Silvermoon over dude. We all know this, they violated a Naaru, grabbed power, mind controlled and brainswashed everyone wouldn't agree. Rommath was the enforcer sent on Kael'thas' orders to facilitate their emigration to new mana paradise - the Outland. The horde were just a vehicle to ensure their safety, this is why Falconwing is established, this is how Liadrin gets to outland, and it is during this time the blood elves rebel against Kael'thas, the Scryers break away, beg mercy form the Naaru and help defend Shattrath from the Legion and Illidan's forces. They win, Liadrin realises they've been going at it all wrong, their soul needs redemption again, ask the Naaru for help and this eventually forms the basis of what would become the Shattered offensive that eventually saves Quel'thalas form another Legion invasion and thwarts kil'jaedan's plan, re0igniting the Sunwell giving hte blood elves their happy ending.

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Silvermoon is a High elf city
Suramaar is a night elf city


Those who call themselves blood elves are just renamed high elves, and those who are Nightborne are arcane mutated night elves. Don't let the name change fool you or confuse your or minor alterations.

[Tanaria]

Ewww

We're defending Silvermoon not for the sake of the blood elves, but to save Azeroth because once again, a major threat is at play.



Yes, you did some quests for Alliance characters, but not for the Alliance : you did them to save Azeroth. It’s the same deal here, I’m afraid.



Nah. The Horde council is completely absent from Midnight — there’s no mention of it because, as a council, they’re useless and powerless. All their members act on their own.

And yes, I was disappointed by the initial outcomes of Midnight. But with the Sunwell about to be gone, maybe this will allow the Void Elves to return to Silvermoon. We still have some territories in Quel’Thalas, the Void Elves got a massive overhaul of their thematics and architecture, and so far they’re quite influential — so all is not lost for us.

This just reads as "denial." It doesn't matter what the lore is...the game is split between Horde and Alliance...currently, Alliance are under Horde government and are doing stuff for a Horde leader.

And their won't be a huge change, not in Silvermoon anyway. It's a giant quest hub and they won't be removing content, just for Alliance players to feel a bit better about being in Silvermoon. And I say this again: Silvermoon's vibe won't change. It will be remaining as a full Blood Elf City. It won't change because it can't change now. Quests have been inserted around the inner sections of the city. It will still always feel like the Blood Elf City and Blizzard have bent over backwards to convey the reality of what is going on.
Alliance are guests here and nothing more, nothing less.

anyone who posts to the contrary of this - well, your just in denial of the facts and your still hurting from Midnight not being the expansion you wanted.
I know you wanted it to be the Helf/Velf expansion - but Blizzard already went against this with Ion's comments about "returning to the homeland of the Blood Elves."

Silvermoon is just everything "Blood Elf." As I say, quests have now been inserted into the city and around the city...no matter what comes of the Sunwell after it's been restored from the Darkwell, Silvermoon will still be a Blood Elf city and Eversong Forest, 90% of that will still be a Blood Elf location.

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those were legion loyalists, not Elisande loyalists - they were on the broken shore quests of 7.2, and as both 7.0 and 7..1 showed, there were nightborne who were directly loyal to the legion and those who were loyal to Elisande, only following the legion because she was allied with them.


The core blood elves went to outland, and were arranging to get the rest of those in Silvermoon over dude. We all know this, they violated a Naaru, grabbed power, mind controlled and brainswashed everyone wouldn't agree. Rommath was the enforcer sent on Kael'thas' orders to facilitate their emigration to new mana paradise - the Outland. The horde were just a vehicle to ensure their safety, this is why Falconwing is established, this is how Liadrin gets to outland, and it is during this time the blood elves rebel against Kael'thas, the Scryers break away, beg mercy form the Naaru and help defend Shattrath from the Legion and Illidan's forces. They win, Liadrin realises they've been going at it all wrong, their soul needs redemption again, ask the Naaru for help and this eventually forms the basis of what would become the Shattered offensive that eventually saves Quel'thalas form another Legion invasion and thwarts kil'jaedan's plan, re0igniting the Sunwell giving hte blood elves their happy ending.

Yay - no way related to Elisande.

If you think that means they should take on Legion Loyalists like Elisande and her ilk (which Thalyssra has actually done already), then the Highborne Shen'dralar should have joined the Horde because the main bulk of Highborne were Legion Loyalists looking for redemption and they would fit the Horde > Night Elves.

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This just reads as "denial." It doesn't matter what the lore is...the game is split between Horde and Alliance...currently, Alliance are under Horde government and are doing stuff for a Horde leader.

And their won't be a huge change, not in Silvermoon anyway. It's a giant quest hub and they won't be removing content, just for Alliance players to feel a bit better about being in Silvermoon. And I say this again: Silvermoon's vibe won't change. It will be remaining as a full Blood Elf City. It won't change because it can't change now. Quests have been inserted around the inner sections of the city. It will still always feel like the Blood Elf City and Blizzard have bent over backwards to convey the reality of what is going on.
Alliance are guests here and nothing more, nothing less.

No. There's no Alliance or Horde. We're defending Silvermoon from a common threat like we did in the past. Again, in that expansion your Horde council us useless and absent.

As for the rest, you’ve been repeating the same points for maybe 25 pages. I think we all get your stance on Silvermoon’s vibe by now.

[Tanaria]

No. There's no Alliance or Horde. We're defending Silvermoon from a common threat like we did in the past. Again, in that expansion your Horde council us useless and absent.

As for the rest, you’ve been repeating the same points for maybe 25 pages. I think we all get your stance on Silvermoon’s vibe by now.

It's not my stance though. It's Blizzard's stance.

You can't honestly say that putting a whole segment of shared information about the Blood Elves and their homeland suggests anything different from what I'm saying.

It is just denial, because Midnight was an expansion where you put so much hope into it being another Alliance-centric expansion with a bit about Blood Elves and over half of QT being solely Alliance content...but it hasn't happened and it won't happen now.

[elbleuet]

It's not my stance though. It's Blizzard's stance.

You can't honestly say that putting a whole segment of shared information about the Blood Elves and their homeland suggests anything different from what I'm saying.

It is just denial, because Midnight was an expansion where you put so much hope into it being another Alliance-centric expansion with a bit about Blood Elves and over half of QT being solely Alliance content...but it hasn't happened and it won't happen now.

Again the same sentences, why are you repeating youself ?

[Tanaria]

Again the same sentences, why are you repeating youself ?

Because you don't seem to understand what's going on here. What you want and what your setting yourself up for, is total disappointment. I think your just in denial over what Blizzard has chosen to do and your attacking me for it.

You have to just accept Silverglade Refuge and Windrunner Spire.
Forget Silvermoon - pretend it doesn't exist anymore.

[elbleuet]

Because you don't seem to understand what's going on here. What you want and what your setting yourself up for, is total disappointment. I think your just in denial over what Blizzard has chosen to do and your attacking me for it.

You have to just accept Silverglade Refuge and Windrunner Spire.
Forget Silvermoon - pretend it doesn't exist anymore.

I litterally asked for the blood elves to keep Silvermoon for themselves and for the playerbase and asked for Silverglade and Windrunner Spire for the last 3 pages.

You just don't read before answering, now I get it.

[Tanaria]

I litterally asked for the blood elves to keep Silvermoon for themselves and for the playerbase and asked for Silverglade and Windrunner Spire for the last 3 pages.

You just don't read before answering, now I get it.

Actually I do and you have also said:
"I hope Void Elves get to stay in Silvermoon.."

I don't know why you'd want any Alliance race in Silvermoon on a permanent basis.

Just forget it. Maybe Void Elves can set up a new home in Voidstorm

[Enrif]

Actually I do and you have also said:
"I hope Void Elves get to stay in Silvermoon.."

I don't know why you'd want any Alliance race in Silvermoon on a permanent basis.

Just forget it. Maybe Void Elves can set up a new home in Voidstorm

void elves are literally just blood elves. They were actual blood elves who studied the void.

[Ielenia]

Silvermoon is a High elf city

Not anymore. Not ever since they rebranded themselves 'blood elves'.

Suramaar is a night elf city

Not anymore. Not ever since the night elves abandoned the city and ignored its existence for ten thousand years.

Those who call themselves blood elves are just renamed high elves, and those who are Nightborne are arcane mutated night elves.

Then that means you're saying Suramar and Silvermoon are jus troll cities? After all, if nightborne are "just mutated night elves", then that means high elves are also "just mutated night elves. And night elves are "just mutated trolls".

Don't let the name change fool you or confuse your or minor alterations.

There's no confusion, at least from my part here.

Listen: the night elves of today abandoned Suramar. That means they have relinquished any and all rights they ever had to anything about the city. High elves were banished from Silvermoon, which means any claim they had to the city was forcefully taken from them. And on top of that, aside from you, I haven't really seen anyone defend that high elves should "retake Silvermoon". _{Good luck with that too, considering how blood elves vastly outnumber high elves...}

[elbleuet]

Actually I do and you have also said:
"I hope Void Elves get to stay in Silvermoon.."

I don't know why you'd want any Alliance race in Silvermoon on a permanent basis.

Just forget it. Maybe Void Elves can set up a new home in Voidstorm

Because Void Elves consider Silvermoon to be their home too, you just have to deal with it. And a small group of Void Elves allowed to stay in Silvermoon isn’t asking to take over the city in the name of the Alliance. Please put a little effort into understanding what I’m trying to tell you.

[Tanaria]

void elves are literally just blood elves. They were actual blood elves who studied the void.

So? They're not actual Blood Elves any longer and no longer bear any resemblance to the Sin'dorei in terms of vibe, culture, dress.

They do not fit the Sin'dorei theme or vibe of Silvermoon or 90% of Quel'Thalas. Perhaps Windrunner Village and Spire..

[elbleuet]

void elves are literally just blood elves. They were actual blood elves who studied the void.

Yes. They're just void tainted blood elves, but still blood elves.

[Tanaria]

Because Void Elves consider Silvermoon to be their home too, you just have to deal with it. And a small group of Void Elves allowed to stay in Silvermoon isn’t asking to take over the city in the name of the Alliance. Please put a little effort into understanding what I’m trying to tell you.

Who cares about Void Elves and what they say? Silvermoon isn't their home any longer and you just have to deal with it.

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Yes. They're just void tainted blood elves, but still blood elves.

And Blood Elves are still Horde and Silvermoon, as per Blizzard's game, emphasises that Silvermoon is the home of the actual Blood Elves. Not blueberry void-blood elves.

And Darkfallen are just undead blood elves, yet most of them live in Lordaeron. They don't belong in Silvermoon either

[elbleuet]

Who cares about Void Elves and what they say? Silvermoon isn't their home any longer and you just have to deal with it.

You’re just confusing roleplay with lore at this point, so I give up this time.

[Enrif]

So? They're not actual Blood Elves any longer and no longer bear any resemblance to the Sin'dorei in terms of vibe, culture, dress.

They do not fit the Sin'dorei theme or vibe of Silvermoon or 90% of Quel'Thalas. Perhaps Windrunner Village and Spire..

So? They're not actual High Elves any longer and no longer bear any resemblance to the Quel'dorei in terms of vibe, culture, dress.

yeah, as expected, just change blood elf to high elf, and the same argument. So High Elves are distinct enough from Blood Elves to be their own people that should be playable, yes?

[Tanaria]

You’re just confusing roleplay with lore at this point, so I give up this time.

Lore is the lore. Lor'themar states that Silvermoon is no longer the home of the Void Elves.

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So? They're not actual High Elves any longer and no longer bear any resemblance to the Quel'dorei in terms of vibe, culture, dress.

yeah, as expected, just change blood elf to high elf, and the same argument. So High Elves are distinct enough from Blood Elves to be their own people that should be playable, yes?

Yeah - whatever.
You've got Silverglade Refuge so...cheer, I suppose.