Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

High elves are there !!

I love how they act the exact way as a WII thalassian elf would act. I love it ! Still not friendly with the Horde as of 2025

Special dialogue for blood elves players :











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Well done Blizzard.

And apparently void elves are permanently settling in windrunner village.

Source : portergauge x

[X59]

I wonder if any dialogue to the other Horde races or if they just refuse to talk to them.

[Enrif]

That is a promising look, hope that gets build out more

[Tanaria]

High elves are there !!

I love how they act the exact way as a WII thalassian elf would act. I love it ! Still not friendly with the Horde as of 2025

Special dialogue for blood elves players :











as Alliance :







Well done Blizzard.

And apparently void elves are permanently settling in windrunner village.

Source : portergauge x

I told you! Silverglade + Village would still work

It did all depend on whether Blizzard wanted to do another "phase only" zone like they did with the Horde in the Nighthold

Obviously they didn't but it's still a great sight to see Silverglade and Windrunner Village

To be honest, I think the RP will be destroyed a little, because I think the Horde should have been "kill on sight." I don't agree with hostile dialogue - Silverglade should have been totally hostile to the Horde, like the Horde part of Silvermoon

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It doesn't matter anymore.

The High Elves are setting up at Silverglade Refuge and the Void Elves, in Windrunner Village.

Obviously as the main Thalassian race, Blood Elves will have Silvermoon

The only bad thing is that Silverglade is open to the Horde. I think it should have been totally hostile to the Horde (kill on sight) equivalent to the Horde only part of Silvermoon.
Windrunner Village being open to the Horde is more acceptable because of the Blood Elves' link to Sylvanas - so, I can understand that side...but Silverglade Refuge - that should have been a Horde hostile place.

[Pyrophax]

The only bad thing is that Silverglade is open to the Horde. I think it should have been totally hostile to the Horde (kill on sight) equivalent to the Horde only part of Silvermoon.
Windrunner Village being open to the Horde is more acceptable because of the Blood Elves' link to Sylvanas - so, I can understand that side...but Silverglade Refuge - that should have been a Horde hostile place.

If Silvermoon is open to Alliance - so must any other Quel'Thalas place too. Its Blood Elf lands, High Elves have no rights even for this little places because of their numerous betrayals. Same as VE to me. But if they help and their crimes punished and resolved - let them be.
But it seems all their fault will be retconed into "bad blood elves" again.

[Alanar]

You confuse possible with logical.

I'm sure if you explained it to people they'd find it easy to understand the night elves have several facets

No, it literally has an outcome, so its not a possible outcome, it is THE outcome. This already happened. It was logical for the most. Shame you didnt pick it up. Because its really not that hard to understand. For you it has always been a matter of acceptance, which still didnt happen. Its been explained to you many times, but more and more we get the impression you simply dont know the lore and fill the many gaps with headcanon. You just make it harder for yourself after years of telling yourself this. We have seen this multiple times now that your emotion on this topic sky rocket when multiple people tried to explain this. Its really starting to get quite sad mace. Its 12+game, its not that deep.

The simple fact is that we are not talking about night elves here. Suramar and how its pressented with their people, were new to us and tge night elves never interacted with them through wow, even further back shows that Tyrande left and never returned. They became their own people. From start to finnish Suramar in Legion was Nightborne lore, with a few mentions to their past life. Their past life is simply not were the focus is and never was.

You keep trying to spin it, as the whole thing is night elf lore, altho the game literally tells you its not. It literally tells you that these are the nightborne. It doesnt matter how long your reply is on this, this doesnt change. They are night elves no longer, they are culturally and physically different from night elves. Suramar is a Nightborne city now. For literally thousend of years by now.

[Pyrophax]

You keep trying to spin it, as the whole thing is night elf lore, altho the game literally tells you its not. It literally tells you that these are the nightborne. It doesnt matter how long your reply is on this, this doesnt change. They are night elves no longer, they are culturally and physically different from night elves. Suramar is a Nightborne city now. For literally thousend of years by now.

That is true. Old Night Elves are their ancestor race, just like Tyrande or Malfurion.
Curent NE are separate things from Nightborne, same as Dark trolls or Zandalari.
Precent NE are closer to Harranirs rather then Nightborne. And it takes to matter that some NEs are old enough to remember old Suramar.

[Alanar]

If Silvermoon is open to Alliance - so must any other Quel'Thalas place too. Its Blood Elf lands, High Elves have no rights even for this little places because of their numerous betrayals. Same as VE to me. But if they help and their crimes punished and resolved - let them be.
But it seems all their fault will be retconed into "bad blood elves" again.

Well it seems that discussion came to an end as well, as the previous page. Idk if it was Tanaria, but high elves have a spot now and its not Silvermoon. So far it seems, that this is a temporary truce and its about defending Silvermoon. They could open their borders and let the elves come and go, but this doesnt seem like the case. Pretty sure its pack up and go after the expansion ends regarding Silvermoon and not the refugee. Remains to be seen, but this is the impression so far.

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That is true. Old Night Elves are their ancestor race, just like Tyrande or Malfurion.
Curent NE are separate things from Nightborne, same as Dark trolls or Zandalari.
Precent NE are closer to Harranirs rather then Nightborne. And it takes to matter that some NEs are old enough to remember old Suramar.

Exactly, like Vrykul are to humans in a sense. These night elves in Suramar, still live there, but do to their continued practise of the arcane alone(which is the literally the exact opposit of what night elves do),that already was a red flag. They slowly changed into the Nightborne over thousend of years. We should treat them like the examples you mentioned and treat them for what they are.

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I told you! Silverglade + Village would still work
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Great, now we got that settled.

[elbleuet]

If Silvermoon is open to Alliance - so must any other Quel'Thalas place too. Its Blood Elf lands, High Elves have no rights even for this little places because of their numerous betrayals. Same as VE to me. But if they help and their crimes punished and resolved - let them be.
But it seems all their fault will be retconed into "bad blood elves" again.

The orcs burned your forests and killed countless civilians. The undead, now known as the Forsaken, massacred your people during the Scourge’s march. And yet now, they’re allowed in Silvermoon and treated like your best friends.

I’m sure any patriotic high elf would be welcomed after that, even if they killed 2,5 people during the Purge of Dalaran

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Hello you

[Alanar]

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Umbric can also be wrong and in Magister's Terrace, it appears that he makes quite a lot of mistakes

This, atleast what I have seen so far is yes, Umbric seems to make quite a few mistakes. Its especially cringe as they are the "void" elves and suppose to be good at this. This is just a continuation of their incompetance.

[Pyrophax]

The orcs burned your forests and killed countless civilians. The undead, now known as the Forsaken, massacred your people during the Scourge’s march. And yet now, they’re allowed in Silvermoon and treated like your best friends.
I’m sure any patriotic high elf would be welcomed after that, even if they killed 2,5 people during the Purge of Dalaran
Hello you

I can write same this for Alliance, you know?
Like humans who genosided blood elves in Lordaeron with Garrithos?
Dwarves and NEs who disturbed flow of magic in Quel'thalas and had plans to invade and conquer?
NEs who exiled them and cause countless deaths from cold, hunger and diseases?
Or HE who cause ethnic cleansing rightfull innocent citizens?

On other side was orcs was mind controlled by Legion, taurens are peace cows and Forsaken lead by their nation hero helped win over the Scourge and bring them into one of superpowers (Horde) who didn't want them to immediate death.

And we go circles again.

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image of obl retconed Sunreavers into hostile

As I was saying, Sunreavers probably will be retconed into enemies and Silver Covenant to heroes. Typical blizz writting. I hope to be wrong though.

[elbleuet]

I can write same this for Alliance, you know?
Like humans who genosided blood elves in Lordaeron with Garrithos?
Dwarves and NEs who disturbed flow of magic in Quel'thalas and had plans to invade and conquer?
NEs who exiled them and cause countless deaths from cold, hunger and diseases?
Or HE who cause ethnic cleansing rightfull innocent citizens?

On other side was orcs was mind controlled by Legion, taurens are peace cows and Forsaken lead by their nation hero helped win over the Scourge and bring them into one of superpowers (Horde) who didn't want them to immediate death.

And we go circles again.

Garithos tried. But never succeded.
The rest is trivial compared to the atrocities the Horde has committed.

[Jaggler]

I can write same this for Alliance, you know?
Like humans who genosided blood elves in Lordaeron with Garrithos?
Dwarves and NEs who disturbed flow of magic in Quel'thalas and had plans to invade and conquer?
NEs who exiled them and cause countless deaths from cold, hunger and diseases?
Or HE who cause ethnic cleansing rightfull innocent citizens?

On other side was orcs was mind controlled by Legion, taurens are peace cows and Forsaken lead by their nation hero helped win over the Scourge and bring them into one of superpowers (Horde) who didn't want them to immediate death.

And we go circles again.

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As I was saying, Sunreavers probably will be retconed into enemies and Silver Covenant to heroes. Typical blizz writting. I hope to be wrong though.

They are ghosts, the Silver Covenent is literally haunted by the sins of their past. They aren't any current Sunreavers.

[Tanaria]

Great, now we got that settled.

Exactly. We now have the High Elf perspective and it's basically: "We don't want to live in Silvermoon, anymore."

Now, we've got both Blood Elf and High Elf perspectives on this and that has basically sealed the whole High Elves / Silvermoon debate. It's over. Finished.

This, atleast what I have seen so far is yes, Umbric seems to make quite a few mistakes. Its especially cringe as they are the "void" elves and suppose to be good at this. This is just a continuation of their incompetance.

I think this is further evidence that the Alliance Elves, by the end of Midnight, won't be having a share in Silvermoon's direct politics.
This is why Windrunner Village and Silverglade Refuge have been established.

[Kaykas90]

If Silvermoon is open to Alliance - so must any other Quel'Thalas place too. Its Blood Elf lands, High Elves have no rights even for this little places because of their numerous betrayals. Same as VE to me. But if they help and their crimes punished and resolved - let them be.
But it seems all their fault will be retconed into "bad blood elves" again.

Betrayals by high elf to silvermoon? Omfg

[Tanaria]

If Silvermoon is open to Alliance - so must any other Quel'Thalas place too. Its Blood Elf lands, High Elves have no rights even for this little places because of their numerous betrayals. Same as VE to me. But if they help and their crimes punished and resolved - let them be.
But it seems all their fault will be retconed into "bad blood elves" again.

Well their is one area of Silvermoon that is closed off to the Alliance. It's basically the area that is current Horde-only Silvermoon, but both Blood Elves and Nightborne guard it.

I was just thinking that Silverglade would be a fair counter to the Horde-only section of Silvermoon.

Keep Windrunner Village as neutral because Sylvanas can't be ignored, but maybe just make Silverglade an Alliance-only hub.

[allegrian]

The high elves and void elves get 1-3 buildings in small villages, pretty in line with what the NE got in DF.

Compared to the horde races getting metropoly after metropoly (Suramar, Undermine, revamped silvermoon) while not losing any, like alliance losing Dalaran in TWW. Horde will probably gain zul'aman as well in a patch or two.

While the horde gets leaders killed, it gains cities and territory, while the alliance loses those for cheap expansion oppenings and get small low-effort villages to replace them.

[elbleuet]

The high elves and void elves get 1-3 buildings in small villages, pretty in line with what the NE got in DF.

Compared to the horde races getting metropoly after metropoly (Suramar, Undermine, revamped silvermoon) while not losing any, like alliance losing Dalaran in TWW. Horde will probably gain zul'aman as well in a patch or two.

While the horde gets leaders killed, it gains cities and territory, while the alliance loses those for cheap expansion oppenings and get small low-effort villages to replace them.

It’s nothing new the Horde has always been favored when it comes to cities. But hey, it’s better than nothing. But let's be honest, Horde presence was removed for Undermine.

[Pyrophax]

Well their is one area of Silvermoon that is closed off to the Alliance. It's basically the area that is current Horde-only Silvermoon, but both Blood Elves and Nightborne guard it.

I was just thinking that Silverglade would be a fair counter to the Horde-only section of Silvermoon.

Keep Windrunner Village as neutral because Sylvanas can't be ignored, but maybe just make Silverglade an Alliance-only hub.

While I don't share concept of "both sides should have something everywhere" with gameplay reasons - if High Elves indeed help Quel'Thalas vs Void not only by mocking BEs or crying a river how Silvermoon was changed - they can have that part at the border of Quel'Thalas for themselves to settle. They don't engage in Silvermoon politic, they shouldn't be threat for Blood Elves as nation. But they are Thalassian elves after all. Little sanctuary is ok to me. And open for Blood Elves is ok too. Not to settle, but to observe and control blue fanatics.

Lorewise at least they acknowledge who is main nation of Quel'Thalas.

HE as non-playable faction can remain in QT.
But I think Void Elves should have something else, not ruins of Windrunner Village that is shared with Blood Elves. They are entire other race gameplay-wise, they should have something for them only. Will it be Telogrus, or Voidstorm, or any other place. Same as any other allied race. Mag'hars settled in Arathi is odd choice, but at least they have it. I prefer parts of Barrens, Desolace or Stonetalon, but alas - at least something. Vulpera Refuge should be shown ingame too.
LF Draenei probably will have part of new-Exodar, same as Krokuls and our Draeneis, maybe they should have entire outpost in Bloodmist Isle?

[allegrian]

It’s nothing new the Horde has always been favored when it comes to cities. But hey, it’s better than nothing. But let's be honest, Horde presence was removed for Undermine.

It doesn't really matter what quest text said about undermine goblins not being horde, it's still a big goblin city where the horde goblin leader controls 1/4 of the territory and politics here and they can easily retcon or change that text in the future to make it trully Horde. Dalaran was also neutral but was part of the alliance fantasy and helped the alliance during wars.

For alliance leaning zone and cities we've been relying again and again on neutral copy paste races from alliance races (like Arathi) with some even becoming neutral AR, so part of the horde too (Earthen, Haranir).

Give me some true alliance zones and cities please, I don't care if the horde can fully explore those zones as well.