Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Pyrophax]

Betrayals by high elf to silvermoon? Omfg

They remain in Dalaran after 3th war, they didn't come to help in times of BC, they were hostile in WotLK, Cata, MoP, Legion and BfA. So yes, numerous betrayals of people of Quel'Thalas

[elbleuet]

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void elf paladin, let's go

[Pyrophax]

It doesn't really matter what quest text said about undermine goblins not being horde, it's still a big goblin city where the horde goblin leader controls 1/4 of the territory and politics here and they can easily retcon or change that text in the future to make it trully Horde. Dalaran was also neutral but was part of the alliance fantasy and helped the alliance during wars.

For alliance leaning zone and cities we've been relying again and again on neutral copy paste races from alliance races (like Arathi) with some even becoming neutral AR, so part of the horde too (Earthen, Haranir).

Give me some true alliance zones and cities please, I don't care if the horde can fully explore those zones as well.

Mate, you probably will have playable amani as neutral race too. So be pleased by neutrality. There is no way Amani will ba playable only by Horde.
After all - Eitrigg just joined Sons of Lothar.

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void elf paladin, let's go

Void skin for paladin class is long overdue. Not only for VE, but for other non-Light races.

[allegrian]

Mate, you probably will have playable amani as neutral race too. So be pleased by neutrality. There is no way Amani will ba playable only by Horde.

We've seen from the begginning of wow how the alliance stuff becomes neutral for the horde, while the horde stuff is kept horde only, for better or worse for each faction. This makes the alliance feel they barely have anything for their own while losing stuff/fantasies to the horde (Blood Elves, Nightborne, Earthen, Night Elves/Haranir, human dracthyr...) while it also makes most neutral stuff alliance-leaning, making horde players feel like they are playing alliance content, not very inmersive for them, and they get their faction identity dilluted with pretty elves and alliance fantasies.

This means that while horde gets a race which is basically a copy of night elf druids, who are their ancestors and care about druidism and world trees, I see very unlikely that the alliance will get Amani even if they have a very good story reason to oppose the horde (Blood Elves).

Amani should be a Horde AR while the Alliance gets their own, similarly cool AR, like revamped high elves or Vrykkul in TLT. But they're probably going to get low-effort shitty broken or ulduar mechagnomes.

[Pyrophax]

Amani should be a Horde AR while the Alliance gets their own, similarly cool AR, like revamped high elves or Vrykkul in TLT. But they're probably going to get low-effort shitty broken or ulduar mechagnomes.

They should, but with current story - highly questionable. They even make Horde forest troll not part of forest trolls just to Alliance don't feel offended by Horde faction in modern Alliance-heavy game. Same as part of Horde goblins retroactively just left the Horde to be shared with Alliance.

Ofc I prefer Amani for Horde and similar cool race for Alliance. Will it be Vrykuls, Naga or new dwarves (bc everyone love dwarves)? Or will it be High Elves? I don't know.
But with current design - its highly questionable.

[Kaykas90]

Mate, you probably will have playable amani as neutral race too. So be pleased by neutrality. There is no way Amani will ba playable only by Horde.
After all - Eitrigg just joined Sons of Lothar.

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Void skin for paladin class is long overdue. Not only for VE, but for other non-Light races.

We dont want fucking amanies in alliance and neither eitrig in sons of lothar, que want high elves and wildhammers

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They remain in Dalaran after 3th war, they didn't come to help in times of BC, they were hostile in WotLK, Cata, MoP, Legion and BfA. So yes, numerous betrayals of people of Quel'Thalas

How they come tobhelp if were banished? And after they join the horde, the same people they fought, plis

[elbleuet]

They should, but with current story - highly questionable. They even make Horde forest troll not part of forest trolls just to Alliance don't feel offended by Horde faction in modern Alliance-heavy game. Same as part of Horde goblins retroactively just left the Horde to be shared with Alliance.

Ofc I prefer Amani for Horde and similar cool race for Alliance. Will it be Vrykuls, Naga or new dwarves (bc everyone love dwarves)? Or will it be High Elves? I don't know.
But with current design - its highly questionable.

If the Amani were ever introduced, they’d be one of the coolest races ever — but they need to stay with the Horde. As an Alliance player, I really don’t want any Horde Earthen or Haranir.

[allegrian]

They should, but with current story - highly questionable. They even make Horde forest troll not part of forest trolls just to Alliance don't feel offended by Horde faction in modern Alliance-heavy game. Same as part of Horde goblins retroactively just left the Horde to be shared with Alliance.

Ofc I prefer Amani for Horde and similar cool race for Alliance. Will it be Vrykuls, Naga or new dwarves (bc everyone love dwarves)? Or will it be High Elves? I don't know.
But with current design - its highly questionable.

As I said, alliance stuff is made neutral, like the game is being told from the alliance point of view, so everytime we have to interact with horde-leaning or horde-looking neutral content, they make sure to give reasons for the alliance players to feel immersed when playing it. That's why they had the alliance goblin in undermine and add faction tension in silvermoon and the amani stuff you're saying. Yeah that's a slight alliance bias, but is not much compared to horde fantasies getting focused on undermine, base Midnight (QT and Zul Aman) and probably the next patch with more amani stuff.

[Pyrophax]

If the Amani were ever introduced, they’d be one of the coolest races ever — but they need to stay with the Horde. As an Alliance player, I really don’t want any Horde Earthen or Haranir.

Arathi, Earthen and Haranir should never be implented at all. Instead of Earthen there should be Ironforge+DI+WH dwarves. Instead of Arathi - part of human expedition from WC3 Jaina's expedition that was lost by storms. Together with dwarves they landed to unknown Isle and venture deep leading by the voice of Beledar.

Instead of Haranir - there should be Night Elves (maybe from Malf students from 10k years ago), who come to underworld to safe World Trees and build there some society of underground elves. With customization options for regular NEs.

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As I said, alliance stuff is made neutral, like the game is being told from the alliance point of view, so everytime we have to interact with horde-leaning or horde-looking neutral content, they make sure to give reasons for the alliance players to feel immersed when playing it. That's why they had the alliance goblin in undermine and add faction tension in silvermoon and the amani stuff you're saying. Yeah that's a slight alliance bias, but is not much compared to horde fantasies getting focused on undermine, base Midnight (QT and Zul Aman) and probably the next patch with more amani stuff.

If we consider Earthen, Arathi and Haranir Alliance fantasies - its not that even to me. Even if I consider Haranir more trolls than NEs.

[allegrian]

Arathi, Earthen and Haranir should never be implented at all. Instead of Earthen there should be Ironforge+DI+WH dwarves. Instead of Arathi - part of human expedition from WC3 Jaina's expedition that was lost by storms. Together with dwarves they landed to unknown Isle and venture deep leading by the voice of Beledar.

Instead of Haranir - there should be Night Elves (maybe from Malf students from 10k years ago), who come to underworld to safe World Trees and build there some society of underground elves. With customization options for regular NEs.

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If we consider Earthen, Arathi and Haranir Alliance fantasies - its not that even to me. Even if I consider Haranir more trolls than NEs.

Why would you consider Haranir more trolls than NE when they are straight up using the NE model and their story is about being druids and taking care of the world trees' roots? It's 100% night elf.

[Pyrophax]

Why would you consider Haranir more trolls than NE when they are straight up using the NE model and their story is about being druids and taking care of the world trees' roots? It's 100% night elf.

They are NE by fantasy, but more troll-like with appearance. At least for me. You can create both more troll-like version and more Elf-like. But all that quills, fur and claws pointing more to trolls, not elves.
But - opinions are opinions.

[allegrian]

They are NE by fantasy, but more troll-like with appearance. At least for me. You can create both more troll-like version and more Elf-like. But all that quills, fur and claws pointing more to trolls, not elves.
But - opinions are opinions.

Only female haranir can be made to look similar to female trolls, which have always been normal human/elven women with tusks. The true troll aesthetic is the male one (either darkspear, amani or zandalari), and male haranir cannot even come close to that aesthetic with the current customization options.

[Alanar]

Exactly. We now have the High Elf perspective and it's basically: "We don't want to live in Silvermoon, anymore."

Now, we've got both Blood Elf and High Elf perspectives on this and that has basically sealed the whole High Elves / Silvermoon debate. It's over. Finished.



I think this is further evidence that the Alliance Elves, by the end of Midnight, won't be having a share in Silvermoon's direct politics.
This is why Windrunner Village and Silverglade Refuge have been established.

Exactly. I am just happy that debate is over. Especially because of the fanatism of certain posters that just make my toes crawl backwards. This is the best outcome.

Let them do there thing, they want to be put as heroes of dalaran? Sure be my guess. Genocide vs genocide I dont care honestly. I am just happy the conversation shift towards their own thing as refugee. And the blood elves can do their own thing. I honestly dont care for high elves and never have. I wont ever think its a good idea to have a literal copy, especislly as the lore and Silvermoon is with the blood elves. It only works when they have their own story. But we already have the void elves for that, so a combination of that outside of silvermoon is our best way forward I think.

Ye I also think its a pack up and go after the expansion ends and Silvermoon will just stay the blood elf capital. Like any other expansion really.

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. Not only for VE, but for other non-Light races.

Ye paladins for everyone is coming anyway.
So its not just them. It will be universal, its not just void elves mind you.

[Tanaria]

Exactly. I am just happy that debate is over. Especially because of the fanatism of certain posters that just make my toes crawl backwards. This is the best outcome.

Let them do there thing, they want to be put as heroes of dalaran? Sure be my guess. Genocide vs genocide I dont care honestly. I am just happy the conversation shift towards their own thing as refugee. And the blood elves can do their own thing. I honestly dont care for high elves and never have. I wont ever think its a good idea to have a literal copy, especislly as the lore and Silvermoon is with the blood elves. It only works when they have their own story. But we already have the void elves for that, so a combination of that outside of silvermoon is our best way forward I think.

Ye I also think its a pack up and go after the expansion ends and Silvermoon will just stay the blood elf capital. Like any other expansion really.

Good luck trying to tell a certain Night Elf Mage fan

We have it from the horse's mouth now...High Elves don't even want to live in Silvermoon

[Alanar]

I can write same this for Alliance, you know?.

And we go circles again.

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As I was saying, Sunreavers probably will be retconed into enemies and Silver Covenant to heroes. Typical blizz writting. I hope to be wrong though.

I wouldnt engage further in these pointless horde bashing people and indeed go in circles. It adds nothing.

Ye, I said the same thing. I mean let them go down that path and if they want to make the high elves the heroes of Dalaran. Be my guest, again it adds nothing in the end, but I can totally see it happen. The good: The blood elves can now move freely past the salt and do their own thing as the high elves seem to not want to live in Silvermoon. That debate is over, finnished.

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Good luck trying to tell a certain Night Elf Mage fan

We have it from the horse's mouth now...High Elves don't even want to live in Silvermoon

There are a few (counted on one hand) who will fight it regardless. Luckily it means nothing anymore and we have the confirmation indeed of the mouth itself.

That certain poster you are talking about still hasnt accepted stuff that happened years ago with the Nightborne. Altho the game moved past that and ignores what he is saying as well as ignoring poster here. Should make you wonder right? Like we said earlier, I am really done with the "what ifs" and "should" have been theories. We really need to move forward with the topic elves and not live in the past the whole time. It adds nothing and is just fanfiction no one really cares about.

[Jaggler]

Blood Elves at any chance during Midnight: "We don't like the Alliance"

High Elves in Midnight: "We hate the Horde"

People here: "Neutral Thalassians absolutely make sense and Silvermoon should be a neutral city"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They remain in Dalaran after 3th war, they didn't come to help in times of BC, they were hostile in WotLK, Cata, MoP, Legion and BfA. So yes, numerous betrayals of people of Quel'Thalas

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

[Zuben]

Exactly. We now have the High Elf perspective and it's basically: "We don't want to live in Silvermoon, anymore."

Now, we've got both Blood Elf and High Elf perspectives on this and that has basically sealed the whole High Elves / Silvermoon debate. It's over. Finished.

Well, the perspective of a Silver Covenant high elf more specifically. They're the most anti-Horde kind of elf there is. As for a regular high elf who's not affiliated with SC, they just might want to live in Silvermoon once more. Arator was confirmed to have settled there in Alleria's TWW short story, so I would imagine the door is open for high elves as well as long as they're willing to subject to blood elven authority same as their blood elf neighbors.

About Silverglade Refuge, did SC take it over themselves or was it granted to them by Silvermoon leadership? Because non-hostility to Horde players makes sense if they're there under good will.

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

False, they were exiled because they didn't want to draw mana from animals. Essentially mana vegans. Bob felt this method was essential to manage societal stability during that tumultuous time, so he kicked them out (which he later regretted). Fel was only ingested by a select few of Kael's Outland forces, otherwise it was used via crystals, which didn't corrupt people beyond changing their eye color to green.

[Tanaria]

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

The exile was nothing to do with fel magic, whatsoever. It was all to do with mana tapping.

It's confirmed, in the lore - that the majority of the Elven populace were not made aware of the true nature of the Crystals around Quel'Thalas. Only the Blood Elf Warlocks on Sunstrider Isle and within Silvermoon knew their true nature.
The High Elves have also taken up Warlock-based practices themselves, so they weren't exiled because of Fel Magic.

They were exiled because of the arcane practice of mana tapping.

[Pyrophax]

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

I don't think Silver Covenant didn't come because of fel usage. You have proof of that? They are just ignorant and cruel jerks who want all be their way. Unable to move forward and honor their fallen people from Arthas.