Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The exile was nothing to do with fel magic, whatsoever. It was all to do with mana tapping.

Which turned out to be drinking Fel rather they knew it or not. though how they could not know it is a wonder given at the time Fel was just arcane that was drained from living things which you’d think a wizard based society would know.

Not that it really matters, the high elfs were exiled by silver moon and then attacked by the horde, then staying away from silver moon had nothing to do with betrayal and every thing to do with not being allowed back.

[Enrif]

Blood Elves at any chance during Midnight: "We don't like the Alliance"

High Elves in Midnight: "We hate the Horde"

People here: "Neutral Thalassians absolutely make sense and Silvermoon should be a neutral city"

Seems to me like a Huojin/Tushui dispute. Same people. One likes the horde, the other doesn't. Makes sense that the race is neutral, but there are political divisions that leans one way or the other. Silver Covenant/Sunreavers were basically perfect in wrath to show that.

[Zuben]

Which turned out to be drinking Fel rather they knew it or not. though how they could not know it is a wonder given at the time Fel was just arcane that was drained from living things which you’d think a wizard based society would know.

No? Arcane is arcane. Fel is another cosmic energy entirely.

[allegrian]

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

Which shows how blizzard had to bend the lore backward for horde blood elves to make sense. And then they did the reverse with void elves which are basically purple TBC blood elves, doing exactly the kind of shady stuff they themselves were doing and they also kick them out.

So now we have alliance high elves kicked because they didn't do the shady magic stuff, and void elves which were kicked because they did.

That's what I don't like about wow's horde, it just makes no sense narratively and it's wildly inconsistent.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I don't think Silver Covenant didn't come because of fel usage. You have proof of that? They are just ignorant and cruel jerks who want all be their way. Unable to move forward and honor their fallen people from Arthas.

There exiles like the rest of the high elfs and said exile was over not mana tapping which was Fel usage.

The one time they did come back to help Lor’themar (through messenger) even points out that they aren’t welcome, and that was with an invite.

Silvermoon Messenger says: Lord Lor'themar demands an explanation for the presence of this... exile in our lands.

Vereesa Windrunner says: Quel'Thalas is as much my home as it is yours and I would not see it fall to our ancient enemy. Now, you tell your cowardly regent --

Halduron Brightwing says: She is here at my invitation, courier. Most of my Farstriders are away and cannot be recalled easily. Vereesa's rangers know the land and are experienced combatants.

Silvermoon Messenger says: Lord Lor'themar does not concur with your reasoning, ranger-general. You have no authority to invite this --

[Jaggler]

You know the high elfs were exiled because they didn’t want to drink Fel right? They didn’t come to help in TBC and were hostile post that because they were forced out and then while in exile attacked by the horde.

That applied only to a small part of them. Yeah, some were exiled but the vast majority already lived outside Quel'thalas

Which shows how blizzard had to bend the lore backward for horde blood elves to make sense. And then they did the reverse with void elves which are basically purple TBC blood elves, doing exactly the kind of shady stuff they themselves were doing and they also kick them out.

With the difference that the Sunwell showed adverse effects to the mere presence of void elves

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No? Arcane is arcane. Fel is another cosmic energy entirely.

That’s why I said at the time, IE tbc-mop when we got all the high/blood elf lore.

Prior to the legion/chronicles cosmic chart retcon Fel was just corrupted arcane magic made through the drain and burning of life force.

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That applied only to a small part of them. Yeah, some were exiled but the vast majority already lived outside Quel'thalas

The only ones we don’t know the exile status of is the lodge in the hinterlands and loch modan, the silver convent are exiles, see my post above.

[Pyrophax]

The only ones we don’t know the exile status of is the lodge in the hinterlands and loch modan, the silver convent are exiles, see my post above.

They can be exiles after they refuse to help Quel'Thalas and sit in Dalaran. You don't know for sure.

[Jaggler]

That’s why I said at the time, IE tbc-mop when we got all the high/blood elf lore.

Prior to the legion/chronicles cosmic chart retcon Fel was just corrupted arcane magic made through the drain and burning of life force.

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The only ones we don’t know the exile status of is the lodge in the hinterlands and loch modan, the silver convent are exiles, see my post above.

Of course they are considered exiles once they decided to align themselves with the Alliance. They are basically hostiles. I am talking about the time when the split occured. We have little to no evidence that there was a mass exile of high elves from silvermoon

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They can be exiles after they refuse to help Quel'Thalas and sit in Dalaran. You don't know for sure.

They could also be exiles because they hit the sickest kick flip and Lor'themar was embarrassed he couldn’t do the same.

But that’s just fanfic while the actual lore is that Lor'themar didn’t want people disagreeing with how he was running things when it came to mana tapping so exiled those who didn’t agree.

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Of course they are considered exiles once they decided to align themselves with the Alliance. They are basically hostiles. I am talking about the time when the split occured. We have little to no evidence that there was a mass exile of high elves from silvermoon

Again just fanfic when we have the actual reason for the exile.

[Jaggler]

Again just fanfic when we have the actual reason for the exile.

How is it a fanfic? I don't argue that there are exiles or why they were exiled. Just saying that most of the High Elves aren't exiled due to the split back then but rather due to their continued allegiance to the Alliance. We only know that the exiles from back then moved to quel'lithien

[elbleuet]

They can be exiles after they refuse to help Quel'Thalas and sit in Dalaran. You don't know for sure.

Where did you see that they refused to help Quel'Thalas ?

Last time Quel'Thalas was threatened by the Amani they came to help.

Headcanons are not accepted

[Lorgar Aurelian]

How is it a fanfic? I don't argue that there are exiles or why they were exiled. Just saying that most of the High Elves aren't exiled due to the split back then but rather due to their continued allegiance to the Alliance. We only know that the exiles from back then moved to quel'lithien

It’s fanfic because there is zero mention of them being exiled for staying with the alliance.

I even doubled checked, Veressa is brought up by name when they are talking about the high elfs exiled due to not mana tapping in shadow of the sun.

How did they react to you?" Aethas asked. Lor'themar turned to stare at him.

"Five years ago I threw them out of the homes they had fought for every bit as fiercely as anyone in Quel'Thalas today," he answered. "How do you think they reacted?"

Aethas winced.

"Vereesa Windrunner is married to the new leader of the Kirin Tor. She is not fond of me, or those I represent. I had hoped… because you were a ranger…" Aethas shrugged. "I thought maybe you could help us bridge that gap. I suppose not."

Lor'themar scowled at the mention of Vereesa's name. "You suppose correctly," he said.

[Jaggler]

It’s fanfic because there is zero mention of them being exiled for staying with the alliance.

I even doubled checked, Veressa is brought up by name when they are talking about the high elfs exiled due to not mana tapping in shadow of the sun.

Again i am not arguing that High Elves were exiled due to mana tapping (though high elves also mana tapped just from different sources like moonwells and artifacts).

Just saying that you kinda automatically become an exile when you join a hostile power

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again i am not arguing that High Elves were exiled due to mana tapping (though high elves also mana tapped just from different sources like moonwells and artifacts).

Just saying that you kinda automatically become an exile when you join a hostile power

Sure if you defect you become an exile, but it can hardly be counted as defecting when you were already exiled before doing it which the silver convent and atlest 1 lodge were.

And ya they mana tapped from other places, which is why I originally just referred to Fel usage as the actual problem was mana tapping from living sources which would be using Fel at the time these story’s were written.

[Pyrophax]

Where did you see that they refused to help Quel'Thalas ?

Last time Quel'Thalas was threatened by the Amani they came to help.

Headcanons are not accepted

Scourge in BC? Night Elves?

[Jaggler]

Sure if you defect you become an exile, but it can hardly be counted as defecting when you were already exiled before doing it which the silver convent and atlest 1 lodge were.

And ya they mana tapped from other places, which is why I originally just referred to Fel usage as the actual problem was mana tapping from living sources which would be using Fel at the time these story’s were written.

We don't even know if Vereesa was anywhere close to Silvermoon when the exiled happens. We only know that at the time of the third war she would tour Alliance lands as a Dalaran amabassador and that she felt Sylvanas' death even though she was very far away.

The "Five years ago I threw them out of the homes they had fought for every bit as fiercely as anyone in Quel'Thalas today," he answered. "How do you think they reacted?"" Refers to the Elves of Quel'Lithien

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The "Five years ago I threw them out of the homes they had fought for every bit as fiercely as anyone in Quel'Thalas today," he answered. "How do you think they reacted?"" Refers to the Elves of Quel'Lithien

So just to be clear, in cata they made Veressa an exile with no reason given, then in mop they put out a story where they explain why the high elfs were exiled and name drop her in the literal next sentence of Lor'themar saying he exiled them, then in the beta they are directly referencing said reason for exile by saying blood elfs stink of Fel.

But you think it’s totally unrelated and she was exiled for some other reason that is never brought up any where?

[Jaggler]

So just to be clear, in cata they made Veressa an exile with no reason given, then in mop they put out a story where they explain why the high elfs were exiled and name drop her in the literal next sentence of Lor'themar saying he exiled them, then in the beta they are directly referencing said reason for exile by saying blood elfs stink of Fel.

But you think it’s totally unrelated and she was exiled for some other reason that is never brought up any where?

In the shadow of the sun released in cata not MoP.

In cata vereesa would of course be an exile anyway because he's allied with the Alliance.

We have no idea if vereesa was even in silvermoon or during the exile of the quel'lithien elves to even be exiled.

Aethas brings up Vereesa because he thought Lor'themar could brdige the gap between them because they are both rangers and lor'themars appearance and quel'lithien served as a test run that didn't go well

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In the shadow of the sun released in cata not MoP.

In cata vereesa would of course be an exile anyway because he's allied with the Alliance.

We have no idea if vereesa was even in silvermoon or during the exile of the quel'lithien elves to even be exiled.

Aethas brings up Vereesa because he thought Lor'themar could brdige the gap between them because they are both rangers and lor'themars appearance and quel'lithien served as a test run that didn't go well

This story takes place before the silver convent or sun reavers exist, Veressa is not part of the alliance she’s only part of neutral dalaran so is not “in exile” for defecting to an enemy force, nor is she brought up at all until they are talking about the high elfs in exile. The sun reavers and silver convent also weren’t allowed to break dalaran neutrality so her being part of an “enemy force” in cata is dubious as well even if they do obviously favor the alliance.

It’s clear that she’s brought at this point to explain the exile established eariler in cata with no reason give as the story came out after that, if not in mop which I mixed up due to them being released the same year.

So to circle all the way back aground, the high elfs didn’t “betray” the blood elfs by not helping them through TBC-MOP, they were in exile because they didn’t want to use Fel and when they did show up to help at the invitation of the ranger general they were told that they weren’t welcome back.