Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[ArchbishopBenedictus]

Yeah reading Ion's response today just pissed me off and I'm not even that desperate for High Elves as a playable Alliance race. It's the same illogical and weak excuse: blood elves are high elves...well no they aren't, one was corrupted by fel energies (it's like saying Mag'har orcs are green orcs); and there are too few high elves...so there are more void elves in a small 'elite crack squad' versus a whole army of high elves in Dalaran?

This video was fantastic at fairly defecating on these arguments against high elves from a great height: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Sr-sadSk4 If you haven't seen it I highly recommend a watch. Maybe someone with the right contacts could send it to Ion?

[vavlqlw]

Ion could literally make up any reason he wants and you guys would still have to live with it. I guess denial is step 1 though, I'm looking forward to bargaining.

[Syegfryed]

1. The sources are easily available. Look up the Silver Covenant. Void elves are also partially made of High Elves.[

2. Again, the Silver Covenant.

lmao, the silver covenant is a small group of terrorist elves, they are less than Void elves, again, every time they appear is under someone banner, cause they are not a force on their own

3. They do - outside of the obvious anti fel-magic part, but also in character. They were never subjugated to the mana addiction the blood elves suffered.

they don't, fel magic don't exist, and this mana addiction all elves have, you are talking about headcanon

4. High Elves are fundamentally different from Blood Elves, again because of the clear-cut exodus of the High Elves before the whole fel corruption. They still have their ties with the Night Elves, something the Blood Elves have permanently lost.

there is no fel corruption, and they are NOT different, apart from the politcs

5. Personality, when used for character design, means how they're going to express themselves. May it be by their poses, way of talking or aesthetic style. Personality is a thing used in the domain pretty much all the time.

its not something blizzard should care, since you can create your own personality

What actually annoys me is the excuses they use to justify their decision. .

you can dislike the excuses and reasons, but they are right, they are canon

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And now people are in denial again, in the same state we are after blizzcon "ion is a cunt and don't know the lore, I KNOW THE LORE, not him, his reasons? i don't like, so its not true, cause my fanfic and headcanon say so"

"he didn't say they plan now, so they plan in the future, so its totally gonna happens, we need to ask and spam more "

This video was fantastic at fairly defecating on these arguments against high elves from a great height: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Sr-sadSk4 If you haven't seen it I highly recommend a watch. Maybe someone with the right contacts could send it to Ion?

oh no, this video full of headcanon and bias, can we just stop bringing this up, i cringe every-time

[Psychotrip]

Time travel, random light forging, chiropractors, and contact lenses. Really, really stupid excuses used to give Horde players lots of extra options for their characters, but they cant let Alliance have more options because that would "break the lore."

Speaking of lore, High and Blood elves are NOT the same. One fraction elected to steal magic and use fel in a quest for power, the other fraction didnt. And Void Elves are NOT High Elves. They were Blood Elves that were kicked out of Silvermoon for studying the void.

I think his point was that the vast, vast majority of high elves became blood elves, so the terms are essentially indistinguishable barring a few stragglers in Dalaran and some rangers hanging out in an old lodge.

I do agree Allies need more customization. I'd love for my draenei mage to be a bit less bulky, personally. Night elves need antlers and shit.

[madokbro]

Ah, the salt. Yes yes, tell me how incredibly different the three high elves that remain are again. You know you want to, let me taste it.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

lmao, the silver covenant is a small group of terrorist elves, they are less than Void elves, again, every time they appear is under someone banner, cause they are not a force on their own

That's not even close to true. Wherever you got this information from, which I won't judge, it's factually wrong. The Silver Covenant is an Alliance-affiliated covenant made of High Elves defectors of the Blood Elves after they cut their ties with the Alliance.

they don't, fel magic don't exist, and this mana addiction all elves have, you are talking about headcanon

Fel magic don't exist, what? https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/672523313189548032

there is no fel corruption, and they are NOT different, apart from the politcs

Oh common now you're just spewing nonsense. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Fel

Blood elves are high elves who had temporarily turned to absorbing demonic magic after the loss of the Sunwell, and had subsequently become addicted to the fel energies.[36] From the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are any high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War was around fel energies, which made their eyes turn green.[37] Kael'thas Sunstrider's most loyal followers were rewarded by Kil'jaeden with the gift of being allowed to gorge themselves on demonic blood for days for remaining in Outland, even as many of his blood elves retreated through the Dark Portal. These are known as Felblood elves.

its not something blizzard should care, since you can create your own personality

You've clearly misunderstood the definition of personality in an artistic context. Artistic Personality =/= Psychology. It's how you express a style on a canvas. Void Elves have a different personality than Blood Elves, for instance.

you can dislike the excuses and reasons, but they are right, they are canon

No, that's the thing, they're not. I wouldn't mind as much if it did make sense, but it doesn't. I was less frustrated by Blizzard saying "Look, fair skinned elves are in the Horde", because that's not a fake excuse. If they'd be upfront, rather than trying to spin whatever excuses they're spinning right now, I'd be fine with it.

[Traveler Voltin]

This is reaching new levels of pathetic

[Florida Man]

they are NOT different, apart from the politcs

The Pandaren aren't different apart from their politics. Politics can therefore be reason enough for high elves and blood elves to be on either faction.

[Zenlin]

I think what we've seen here today is the exact reason why so many people who are against High Elves tend to get angry and combative. People have been demanding High Elves on the Alliance for over 10 years, around the launch of BC, another group has been explaining why it's not a good idea/why it won't happen. And yet the fight continues until this day, it will never stop no matter how much Dev input there is on the subject. The remnants of the entire Alliance allied group in game could be wiped out, down to the last man, woman and child, and it would still not stop the demand for their addition for a large group of people. It's become a complete and utter obsession. It get's frustrating, truly, to even people who are generally very passive. I still believe with MASSIVE changes to their lore and appearance/model something could be done, but beyond that, I think it's time to make some concessions. I don't think there will ever be High Elves (Blood Elves) on the Alliance roster.

[Traveler Voltin]

The Pandaren aren't different apart from their politics. Politics can therefore be reason enough for high elves and blood elves to be on either faction.

Pandaren were a mistake in blizzard’s eyes

[Syegfryed]

That's not even close to true. Wherever you got this information from, which I won't judge, it's factually wrong. The Silver Covenant is an Alliance-affiliated covenant made of High Elves defectors of the Blood Elves after they cut their ties with the Alliance.

it is factually true, you now what a covenant is? they are not a big group, they are just some elves with veressa as leader under the orders of the kirin tor and dalaran, yes they are terroris cause they are made just to kill of their own kin in the name of the alliance

Fel magic don't exist, what? https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/672523313189548032



Oh common now you're just spewing nonsense. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Fel

fel magic don't exist on then anymore, obviously, blood elves never sucked fel magic, their eyes is raction to fel radiation, not corruption,you are the one spewing nonsense friend

You've clearly misunderstood the definition of personality in an artistic context. Artistic Personality =/= Psychology. It's how you express a style on a canvas. Void Elves have a different personality than Blood Elves, for instance.

and again, this is a RPG, you can say your VE have the personality of a HE, cause they are basically the same shit

No, that's the thing, they're not.

denial, rly? how they are not? just because you don't like then, or think they didn't make sense, don't mean they are not true

they are ture, everything can be find in lore sources

I wouldn't mind as much if it did make sense, but it doesn't. I was less frustrated by Blizzard saying "Look, fair skinned elves are in the Horde", because that's not a fake excuse. If they'd be upfront, rather than trying to spin whatever excuses they're spinning right now, I'd be fine with it.

he obviously said that if you want a "fair skinned elf" you should play horde, like it always been

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The Pandaren aren't different apart from their politics. Politics can therefore be reason enough for high elves and blood elves to be on either faction.

always the pandaren excuse

pandarens were introduced neutral in a expansion they make sense as neutral, and blizz didn't even like it, call a mistake

elves were introduced as horde only more than 10 years ago

always the selfishness, would you like if an alliance race goes neutral just because "muh pandaren"? i don't think so

so no, politics are not "reason enough", just because they did a mistake didn't mean they should do it again.

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lmao, the silver covenant is a small group of terrorist elves, they are less than Void elves, again, every time they appear is under someone banner, cause they are not a force on their own

There are exactly 4 named voidelves ingame in contrast to:
- 47 named Silver Covenant npcs. That’s almost 12 times as many.
- 6 named Allerian Stronghold npcs. Still more.

In WotLK they represented the whole of the Alliance in the Argent Tournament, they were the figurehead faction of the Alliance there, so contrary all other races appeared under their banner. In Cataclysm the Silver Covenant was invited by the Farstriders to join forces against Zul’Aman – no other Alliance faction present and they surely weren’t following Brightwing’s orders alone. In Legion they were as a faction on their own at the Trueshot Lodge and they were an independent force in the liberation of Suramar. So the only time they appeared under someones banner was during MoP with the Kirin Tor.

fel magic don't exist on then anymore, obviously, blood elves never sucked fel magic, their eyes is raction to fel radiation, not corruption,you are the one spewing nonsense friend

Have you ever been to Quel’thalas? These green crystals floating everywhere? Also called fel crystals used to imprison and store demonic energies which are then used to drain power from or maintain architectural structures?

Even if you assume their eyes turned green because of fel radiation and not direct fel draining: How was Quel’thalas at any point of history up until the creation of bloodelves more fel radiated than any other place in Lordaeron, especially Dalaran, which was destroyed by Archimonde himself? How would the highelves of Dalaran not turn green eyes if this was true?

elves were introduced as horde only more than 10 years ago

always the selfishness, would you like if an alliance race goes neutral just because "muh pandaren"? i don't think so

so no, politics are not "reason enough", just because they did a mistake didn't mean they should do it again.

Comparing apples and oranges. Highelves are different people than bloodelves, bloodelves wouldn’t all of a sudden become neutral. These highelves were always part of the Alliance in WoW and present from Vanilla to now only lacking in WoD. In fact this would not alter nor change the the bloodelves in the Horde.

So the proper question would be: Would you like a faction of an alliance race go horde? Say for example Alterac Humans (since they are currently hostile towards the Alliance similar to how the highelves are hostile to the Horde) then sure why not?

[Syegfryed]

There are exactly 4 named voidelves ingame in contrast to:

thats right here, where you are wrong

ingame numbers are not canon lore numbers

In WotLK they represented the whole of the Alliance in the Argent Tournament, they were the figurehead faction of the Alliance there, so contrary all other races appeared under their banner

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thats the only time when they were a "thing" but again, they are just a small faction in the argent crusade, and they die, so their numbers decrease

In Cataclysm the Silver Covenant was invited by the Farstriders to join forces against Zul’Aman – no other Alliance faction present and they surely weren’t following Brightwing’s orders alone.

the HE there was so insignificant that all of their involvement zul'aman was retconed in chronicles 3

n Legion they were as a faction on their own at the Trueshot Lodge

lol no, small followers, they even have dark rangers and others races, they are not a big group, we barely see then

and they are under the champion and the class hall banner, not their own

and they were an independent force in the liberation of Suramar.

independent? you mean under night elf skirts? cause its what they did, they were irrelevant there, only shows up as token in the "elf party" and to be insulted by elisande, if they just erase their appearance, would make no difference to the history

[deragot7]

Here is why there won't be high elves so just deal with it.
Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.

It is on the front page.

[Shinkishi]

Here is why there won't be high elves so just deal with it.
Blood Elves are basically High Elves. Slightly different eye color and backstory, but if you want to be a light skinned elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions.

It is on the front page.

A new and hot take from your pal deragot7, right here for your consumption! This changes the entire thread. Where did you find this news?

[Devilyaki]

Seems blizzard is ass set on not giving high elves to players. Their whole argument is thrown away when they made void elves a playable race. Not enough high elves but yet a few tards playing with matches at a gas station can be.

[brbshower]

Why is this thread still showing up as one of the most active? It's over people. Chronicle, world of warcraft.com, and Ion have all said that high elves are already in the game...they are called blood elves. Guess what...those void elves...just blood elves who use the void like Alleria. So they too, are technically high elves. As are blood elves. Silver covenent...those are blood elves too. All blood elves and any elf even slightly resembling them are high elves. Game over.

[Aeula]

No it doesn't. Just look at how shit classes in alpha currently are, at how we will have AP farm 2.0 or at that whole GCD debacle. But of course "muh elfies" must always come on top. This is why I hate blood elf fanbase.

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A reply worthy of a paladin roleplayer

Yeah well, Blood Knight. We burn chapels.

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thats right here, where you are wrong

ingame numbers are not canon lore numbers

And that’s where your whole point fails then, because we don’t know exact numbers. You originally said there are less than void elves. You can’t say x < y when you don’t know the values of x and y.

My point is: There are more notable Highelves than Voidelves especially since their notable leader is still considered high elf (Alleria does use void magic and has a void form but didn't transform into a voidelf like the rest - so she is more a highelf shadowpriest.

thats the only time when they were a "thing" but again, they are just a small faction in the argent crusade, and they die, so their numbers decrease

They do die, but so does every other race yet none of them all of a sudden become meaningless.

lol no, small followers, they even have dark rangers and others races, they are not a big group, we barely see then

and they are under the champion and the class hall banner, not their own




independent? you mean under night elf skirts? cause its what they did, they were irrelevant there, only shows up as token in the "elf party" and to be insulted by elisande, if they just erase their appearance, would make no difference to the history

No. The Silver Covenant does not have champion followers, they just aid in the defense but do not take orders. Same for Suramar. Tyrande or any other nightelf ordered them around, they were standing independently from the nightelves.

[Ithekro]

Blood Elves...Blood Elves everywhere.

But Blizzard's excuses hold less water than a strainer.

The only excuse they have that is remotely real is that they don't want two identical models on both factions. Which has nothing to do with the story, lore, or population factors. Its about something that is PvP related. And that stinks as an excuse because that is not how politics and wars work. Two factions that are the same race and look alike fighting each other is realistic and makes for a good story. Plus it is the story they are already telling....they just won't let players have any fun with it.