Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Pyrophax]

The new well surely won't be made solely of Naaru Light, so that means the Void Elves won't pose a threat to it.

And yes, you're already allowed to go to Bel'Ameth, even though you committed genocide against the very people of that place and you seem to have no problem with that.

So I expect flight point in there, just for Horde? Some Forsaken buildings and orc burrows? For total equality.

[Alanar]

Depending on the outcome, but expect a similar approach.

At best you are a "guest" at the end, like it is for the horde. You can walk around, but cant interact with npcs, AH etc. So only the diehard fans who want to walk around for some reason, there is no real reason to be there.

[Pyrophax]

Depending on the outcome, but expect a similar approach.

At best you are a "guest" at the end, like it is for the horde. You can walk around, but cant interact with npcs, AH etc. So only the diehard fans who want to walk around for some reason, there is no real reason to be there.

They will not remove Alliance flight point from there for sure.
Lorewise - depending on "elven unification" scrapped or not. And what is this thing at all. Settling some of Silver Covenant jerks and Void Elves in a border of Quel'Thalas can be named that way too.

[elbleuet]

So I expect flight point in there, just for Horde? Some Forsaken buildings and orc burrows? For total equality.

Quel'Thalas is the homeland of the Void, Blood, and High Elves. That’s why we still see High Elven settlement there, and why the Void Elves are settling in Windrunner Village.

Bel’Ameth, on the other hand, is solely the home of the Night Elves and it’s also a vast forest. Why would you expect to see Orcs, who are notably known for destroying Night Elf forests, or Forsaken, who are infamous for corrupting the very lands around them?

[Alanar]

They will not remove Alliance flight point from there for sure.
Lorewise - depending on "elven unification" scrapped or not. And what is this thing at all. Settling some of Silver Covenant jerks and Void Elves in a border of Quel'Thalas can be named that way too.

Ye they wont remove flightpoints or these posts, this will like any other expansion be stuck in that time. Again, depending on the actual outcome, but It could very well just end up like any other ending. The "pack up and leave" situation after the world ending threat is dealt with.

The most likely one seems to be a alliance version of bel' ameth. If that is in silverglade, no one will care. Yes its in blood elf lands, but its there now and it could be a phased area or what ever. Its not really a concern for the blood elves or Silvermoon as you wont ever come there as horde, unless you are rping or something.

[Pyrophax]

Quel'Thalas is the homeland of the Void, Blood, and High Elves. That’s why we still see High Elven settlement there, and why the Void Elves are settling in Windrunner Village.

Bel’Ameth, on the other hand, is solely the home of the Night Elves and it’s also a vast forest. Why would you expect to see Orcs, who are notably known for destroying Night Elf forests, or Forsaken, who are infamous for corrupting the very lands around them?

As I said - if Alliance want faction specific area in Horde lands of Quel'Thalas - there should be similar threatment for all native lands. Including Gilneas, Teldrassil, Durotar and Stormwind.
I can see orc outpost in Redridge, near the Stonewatch or Shalewind canions. Canonicaly Redridge is part of Stormwind Kingdom, east border of it to Burning Steppes.
Or Nightborne settlement at new Teldrassil.
Khaz Modan with Dragonmaw port.

Thing is - you, high elf fans demands (not ask even) large of Quel'thalas for yourself, but can't see other side of problem. I try to explain that if we delete faction stuff from lands - it should be at all zones, not just Horde ones.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Its total Alliance favoritism offcourse, setting Alliance places with blue Flight Points in Horde lands of Quel'Thalas. But with next expansions I will totally expect same threatment for another side. Let Horde have Flight Point in Redridge or Duskwood. Far from Stormwind to be threat, but close enough to not feel leaved.
I am joking ofc, devs never give Horde similar attention on par with their favorite blue kid.

There are flight points right outside Bel'ameth and made a questline about how the Taruen are going to be building a settlement right outside it on the plains.

[Pyrophax]

Ye they wont remove flightpoints or these posts, this will like any other expansion be stuck in that time. Again, depending on the actual outcome, but It could very well just end up like any other ending. The "pack up and leave" situation after the world ending threat is dealt with.

The most likely one seems to be a alliance version of bel' ameth. If that is in silverglade, no one will care. Yes its in blood elf lands, but its there now and it could be a phased area or what ever. Its not really a concern for the blood elves or Silvermoon as you wont ever come there as horde, unless you are rping or something.

But you can enter silverglade and windrunner village with Horde character and that is a good thing. If High Elves wants to live in Quel'Thalas - they should obey the laws of Silvermoon. Faction specific flightpoints are ok, the ability to enter as Horde character is a necessity.
Same way if some Horde outposts ever will be at core Alliance lands (being it Stormwind Kingdom or any other) - Alliance should have full access, without flightpoints.

[elbleuet]

As I said - if Alliance want faction specific area in Horde lands of Quel'Thalas - there should be similar threatment for all native lands. Including Gilneas, Teldrassil, Durotar and Stormwind.
I can see orc outpost in Redridge, near the Stonewatch or Shalewind canions. Canonicaly Redridge is part of Stormwind Kingdom, east border of it to Burning Steppes.
Or Nightborne settlement at new Teldrassil.
Khaz Modan with Dragonmaw port.

Thing is - you, high elf fans demands (not ask even) large of Quel'thalas for yourself, but can't see other side of problem. I try to explain that if we delete faction stuff from lands - it should be at all zones, not just Horde ones.

So Silverglade is now a large portion of Quel'Thalas ? Are we playing the same game ?

You can set an orc outpost in Redridge, I absolutely don't care.

And a nightborne settlement at new Teldrassil would clearly make sens, as the night elves and nightborne are still deeply linked.

Stromgarde, Telogrus Rift, Bel'Ameth, Gilneas, Dalaran. As Horde player, you just can't camplain about how you can't have access to specific Alliance zones.

Since forever, the Horde has always attacked Alliance races — and yet they’re later allowed to freely walk into their capitals.

[Pyrophax]

There are flight points right outside Bel'ameth and made a questline about how the Taruen are going to be building a settlement right outside it on the plains.

Right outside is at another side of the plains. Lorewise its like on other side of the kingdom. Plains are not NE lands to be conserned by that. I am talking about core race lands, like Quel'Thalas or Dun Morogh.

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So Silverglade is now a large portion of Quel'Thalas ? Are we playing the same game ?

Silverglade is what you have, not what you want (mostly). Full neutral Quel'thalas, west side of Silvermoon full Alliance - I can name a few more demands.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Gilneas, Teldrassil, Durotar and Stormwind.I can see orc outpost in Redridge, near the Stonewatch or Shalewind canions. Canonicaly Redridge is part of Stormwind Kingdom, east border of it to Burning Steppes.
Or Nightborne settlement at new Teldrassil.
Khaz Modan with Dragonmaw port.

You know we’ve had a lot of these for years right? The warsong in ashenvale which is night elf land, the dragon maw in the twilight highlands which is dwarf land, the forsaken owned all of Gilenas for years and still have places like shadow fang which was part of the kingdom until the scourge, and just recently the humans of Strom gave up part of the Arthai to the Maghar.

[elbleuet]

Right outside is at another side of the plains. Lorewise its like on other side of the kingdom. Plains are not NE lands to be conserned by that. I am talking about core race lands, like Quel'Thalas or Dun Morogh.

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Silverglade is what you have, not what you want (mostly). Full neutral Quel'thalas, west side of Silvermoon full Alliance - I can name a few more demands.

Quel'Thalas is already neutral and yes the west side of Silvermoon is already neutral while the rest is Horde. I'm already fine with it as it could have been worse.

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You know we’ve had a lot of these for years right? The warsong in ashenvale which is night elf land, the dragon maw in the twilight highlands which is dwarf land, the forsaken owned all of Gilenas for years and still have places like shadow fang which was part of the kingdom until the scourge, and just recently the humans of Strom gave up part of the Arthai to the Maghar.

Thank you.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right outside is at another side of the plains. Lorewise its like on other side of the kingdom. Plains are not NE lands to be conserned by that. I am talking about core race lands, like Quel'Thalas or Dun Morogh.

I mean the high/void elf areas are on the literal other side of the kingdom and while sure its not not night elf land it’s litteraly right outside and likely the closest any faction is to another “capital”.

[Pyrophax]

Since forever, the Horde has always attacked Alliance races — and yet they’re later allowed to freely walk into their capitals.

Tell me about that. Not blindly point to orcs. How about dwarves and taurens? How about humans, high elves and trolls? How about goblins and humans? Vulpera? Or who attacked first at Undercity? Or Alterak? Alliance not that shiny and noble too. Not as much as Horde ofc.

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You know we’ve had a lot of these for years right? The warsong in ashenvale which is night elf land, the dragon maw in the twilight highlands which is dwarf land, the forsaken owned all of Gilenas for years and still have places like shadow fang which was part of the kingdom until the scourge, and just recently the humans of Strom gave up part of the Arthai to the Maghar.

Strom didn't gave Mag'hars anything. Hammerfall was there from Vanilla.

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Quel'Thalas is already neutral and yes the west side of Silvermoon is already neutral while the rest is Horde. I'm already fine with it as it could have been worse.

Neutral is not full-Alliance as someone demands. I am not pointing at anyone, just general trend.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Strom didn't gave Mag'hars anything. Hammerfall was there from Vanilla.

And they lost it during the last war as they lost the war front before having it given back by the alliance as part of there peace deal.

[Pyrophax]

And they lost it during the last war as they lost the war front before having it given back by the alliance as part of there peace deal.

I don't remember reading about that. Can I have a source of Hammerfall occupation? Horde lost Ar'gorok, not Hammerfall.
Also yes, Hammerfall people didn't attack first too, it was humans @elbleuet

[Shadowtwili]

Strom didn't gave Mag'hars anything. Hammerfall was there from Vanilla.

And according to Shadow's Rising the Horde lost the Arathi Highlands and had to leave by order of King Danath Trollbane.

The fact they are back in Hammerfall means that:

A) Blizzard forgot their own lore (again).

B) king Danath allowed the Horde to return and (re)settle.

Editting time.

I looked it up, it doesn't outright say that the Horde lost Hammerfall it does say that a group of "Horde refugees" was passing through the Arathi Highlands".

That begs the question, if they were from Hammerfall, why were they refugees? If they were not from Hammerfell, why would they be passing through the Arathi Highlands which was just won by the Alliance?

[Pyrophax]

And according to Shadow's Rising the Horde lost the Arathi Highlands and had to leave by order of King Danath Trollbane.

The fact they are back in Hammerfall means that:

A) Blizzard forgot their own lore (again).

B) king Danath allowed the Horde to return and (re)settle.

Editting time.

I looked it up, it doesn't outright say that the Horde lost Hammerfall it does say that a group of "Horde refugees" was passing through the Arathi Highlands".

That begs the question, if they were from Hammerfall, why were they refugees? If they were not from Hammerfell, why would they be passing through the Arathi Highlands which was just won by the Alliance?

BC Hammerhall is refuge camp. They can go TO Hammerfall.

[elbleuet]

Tell me about that. Not blindly point to orcs. How about dwarves and taurens? How about humans, high elves and trolls? How about goblins and humans? Vulpera? Or who attacked first at Undercity? Or Alterak? Alliance not that shiny and noble too. Not as much as Horde ofc.

I never said the Alliance was all shiny and noble. I was totally fine with Jaina and the Alliance acting morally grey in Dalaran.
Just accept the fact that you’re always attacking Alliance races, and then you’re allowed to walk into their capitals like nothing happened.
So complaining that the High Elves have access to their ancestral lands, and that they don’t like you because all you did was genocide them and burn their lands, is just pointless.

[Alanar]

But you can enter silverglade and windrunner village with Horde character and that is a good thing. If High Elves wants to live in Quel'Thalas - they should obey the laws of Silvermoon. Faction specific flightpoints are ok, the ability to enter as Horde character is a necessity.
Same way if some Horde outposts ever will be at core Alliance lands (being it Stormwind Kingdom or any other) - Alliance should have full access, without flightpoints.

Ye, same for horde in bel ameth, so in that sense I agree. I see it as a similar situation. You can also simply fly there on your mount or use a fly path. This is outside of Silvermoon, so I guess some kind of "eyes" on what they are doing to keep them in check could also be in the pipelines.

It could all change, again depending on the outcome, but ye I agree.