Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Shadowtwili]

Dunno, last I checked Hammerfall has been a Horde fort/military camp since vanilla!

Ofcourse that can also double as a refugee camp, maybe I am just overthinking it way more than Blizzard ever does.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I don't remember reading about that. Can I have a source of Hammerfall occupation? Horde lost Ar'gorok, not Hammerfall.

It’s in shadows rising, horde refugees are leaving the zone as a whole as it’s under complete alliance control.

On my phone so I can’t grab a quote.

[Clone]

Wc3-wod, I want to say archimound mentions it in game or Mabye it was in the last guardian novel, I’d have to double check which I can’t do on my phone.

It was chronicels that made them separate otherwise Fel was what happened when you drained arcane magic from living things corrupting it.

I’d love you to find it. I know back I. Those days the distinctions were blurry nd Born’s really defined. They got more distinctive strands later. But I do remember fel was not arcane more intense long before Chronicles 1 came out. In wow classic it was already distinct, so I think it may have been wc2/ Last Guardian era but changed I. Wc3

It's in the ending cinematic for the undead campaign, Archimonde said something about using the very fire they tried to master against them before he destroyed Dalaran. For the longest time fel and necromancy wasn't separated from arcane.

[Mace]

The High Elves themselves, actually disagree with you. Blood Elves and the Horde keep Silvermoon City, as far as the lore goes.

The High Elves have Silverglade Refuge, which is a good zone for an allied race. We can't continue this level of denial.

It's not denial. Nothing is being denied, here, just stating what should be, even if it's not currently.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's in the ending cinematic for the undead campaign, Archimonde said something about using the very fire they tried to master against them before he destroyed Dalaran. For the longest time fel and necromancy wasn't separated from arcane.

Ya thought he said something along those lines.

Tried to double check He last guardian for there mention of it but on stupid and forgot I can’t just search Fel as it comes Up with every fell and fellow which was like 200 results.

[Enrif]

Ya thought he said something along those lines.

Tried to double check He last guardian for there mention of it but on stupid and forgot I can’t just search Fel as it comes Up with every fell and fellow which was like 200 results.

you can search for " fel ",(notice the spaces before and after it) that can help with searching such words

[Lorgar Aurelian]

you can search for " fel ",(notice the spaces before and after it) that can help with searching such words

Ah never thought about that but it makes sense, will be super Useful to know for futrure book Searching.

[Tanaria]

It's not denial. Nothing is being denied, here, just stating what should be, even if it's not currently.

The only way it can be done is through faction changing the Blood Elves and that is simply never going to happen.

Hell, we had more chances of the Tauren being faction changed, than we do the Blood Elves.

[Mace]

The only way it can be done is through faction changing the Blood Elves and that is simply never going to happen.

Hell, we had more chances of the Tauren being faction changed, than we do the Blood Elves.

No, faction changing is not the only way it can be done. Screw the factions @Alanar yes I will bash horde and bash alliance all I want, people bash elves all the time. The night elves do not "belong to the alliance", nor the blood elves to the horde. Neither of those races were originally in those factions either.

Where they go, and how they are distributed is entirely up to blizzard - and they can do whatever they want, including change that faction centric existence if they want. I don't see a problem with High elves and blood elves uniting, whether it's a complete and friendly peace or it's a resigned corporation to save their race - same with the Night elf/Nightborne lot - I'm just tired of the constant "oh you can't have that, because it's the horde's" and you want it because you're alliance.

No I don't, I know the horde has been given ample leeway with lots of stuff and it's ruining immersion and stories to. It's stopping me from seeing any real and proper advancement for both night elves and high elven people, because they are stuck playing two sides, placating horde fans, and marginalising alliance once or throwing them silly bones.. I've had enough.

Just take the elves out of this, make the horde and alliance second place. Gosh I'd love it when elf fans don't care what faction banner lies over it. Yes I am aware they have made faction a central focus for the elves. But they did this. And they can undo it. The Elves of Wc2 didn't seem crazy alliance zealots, and what is this horde zealotry from the blood elves? What have the horde done for them even in the story except test them and force them to prove their worth - I'm sick of it.

What did the Night elves have to do with the Alliance? What is so special about the alliance for the world that the Night elves have to yoke themselves to it? What is their virtue and their vital necessity to the world? Has the narrative not shown that both the Alliance and the Horde and all the able races are necessary to fight back the evils the Night elves want to protect the world from?

Sorry, I don't understand this undying loyalty and why it has to be. So night elves can't be in Suramar because horde fans want it purely horde. No motivation based on lore, it's all about wanting my fave/fan side to have it all.

Remove it I say, it's just warping and tainting much of wow. Let the Horde and the Alliance be about Humans and Orcs, and let the elves continue to hold it's relevance independent of them. It's time to put this to bed.. if you really love the Alliance you should be gong ho about humans, not night elves and void elves, and if you love the horde you should be ape over Orcs and Trolls, not Blood elves and Nightborne or Forsaken.

I'm fine about occasional plots of escalation amongst non-human and orc races, that run their time, escalate, conflict, and it ends, resolution happens we move on.. The centre of the horde and the alliance has shifted from Humans and orcs to High/void elves, night elves and Blood elves and all the fan arguments are all about Alliance this or horde this. So yes, I will bash them, I want them out or i want the elves part in it to drastically diminish.

We can still have meaningful faction and other story plots involving the elves that don't shove the Horde and Alliance at the centre. The Horde and Alliance are not the elf factions. They are the human and orc factions.

I prefer the WC3, state.

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@Tanaria Look, when we go to the Night elves, it should be about the Well of Eternity, the Moonwells, the World tree, the Legion, the lost civilization and the people who've now recovered from that ordeal and solved many of the mysteries and troubles they had, and how they are getting back together.. not whether Suramar is technically for night elves and the alliance or for the horde and nonsense like that - that should be a distant second or tenth in their consideration. Suramar the original home of the Darnassians, and the order of Elune a key part in the night elf story we were introduced, and what, Night elves can't have a part in it, when blizzard puts it in game with the Nightborne and their 100% night elven story and night elves working with them ? Given it's the last night elven city and kaldorei civilization in game and the race is nearly decimated, but no, fans don't want it because Suramar is horde and "we don't want alliance" - are you kidding me? And blizzard will allow this silliness and ruin to story because in fans head, it's more important that the horde has territory than whether the elves get a good story and decent progression. It's RIDICULOUS and the sooner they end it the better

And the High elves? their kingdom devastated, by war, sure stuff happened, but the horde and the alliance should be second place after Kael'thas experience with the Alliance, hte horde should have had periphery role. The story should be about the Sunwell, the unity and regathering of their people the struggles with their divergent believes and epic tale of how a once and recently divided people unite again - irrespective of the horde or the alliance. And yet we have people going high elves should be only in Silverglade because Silvermoon is horde. This is all the vast majority of the discussion is about, any suggestion of void elves and high elves having more of place in the land and story met by resistance because"oh they're alliance and not horde" "oh it's horde territory" nothing about the story or the plot or the actual plight of the race or writing a good drama on how the divided lot come together and overcome their difficulties and differences or can live together despite differing ideals or philosophies for the greater good of their people? None of that is figuring in any of these fan conversation. It's just "oh you can't have this" or "it's rightfully ours" SICK OF IT.

Screw the horde, Silvermoon is for the Thalassians - high elves, whether of the blood elf, high elf or void elf faction, players should be caring more about that than the horde and the alliance. When it comes to caring about hte horde and the Alliance, it should be orcs and humans really coming to mind and focus, not elves or or who has what.

the day you are not triggered by high elves having a home in Silvermoon because they are alliance or night elves at home in Suramar or Nightborne in Amirdrassil and you are excited about the elves trying to restore themselves and make an impact in the world - as not against each other but together, even if they work in both factions separately, that's when I know that the faction focus is now secondary in the players heart.

I ohpe someone at blizzard has had the presence of mind to kind see how off track the fan conversation is and how but disruptive and totally unrelated to the story their main quibbles are on and will take the faction factor out of play for elves, at least for the time being so it can properly be focused.

[Tanaria]

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How about they just leave it, since the elf divide was actually great during WoW's peaking years of 2010.

So Silvermoon and Suramar either need to be Alliance or neutral? How about we go with my way - keep them Horde, lore-based.
I must admit - I am very happy your nonsense ideas of 2020 didn't come to pass in Midnight. Silvermoon is crafted perfection and is exactly based around it's core race, the Blood Elves.

[Clone]

How about they just leave it, since the elf divide was actually great during WoW's peaking years of 2010.

So Silvermoon and Suramar either need to be Alliance or neutral? How about we go with my way - keep them Horde, lore-based.
I must admit - I am very happy your nonsense ideas of 2020 didn't come to pass in Midnight. Silvermoon is crafted perfection and is exactly based around it's core race, the Blood Elves.

Agreed. All the Alliance players salivating over the idea of getting a Horde city can kindly gtfo. I only hope they make the guards super OP so people don't get any cute ideas about raiding a Horde city.

[Mace]

Agreed. All the Alliance players salivating over the idea of getting a Horde city can kindly gtfo. I only hope they make the guards super OP so people don't get any cute ideas about raiding a Horde city.

Faction motivated resistance - it's all about, don't want alliance having a horde city etc.. that's what all this quibbling is about. Don't want Alliance getting a horde race - nevermind the race was originally alliance, so they have a point.

but the friction this has generated eclipses that of the orc vs human which is what horde alliance conflict should be about.

So I'd be continuing to hope blizzard well and truly take the elves out of this play by effectively downgraded the relevance of the factions to them.

You can still have your elves have friends in the respective factions the players can join, and it's up to players to choose whether they want to hate the other group or be friends, the game will no longer force enmity, and if they were sharing their cities, that would definitely open that up.

[Pyrophax]

Faction motivated resistance - it's all about, don't want alliance having a horde city etc.. that's what all this quibbling is about. Don't want Alliance getting a horde race - nevermind the race was originally alliance, so they have a point.

Same humans who allied themselves with high elves are in Horde now, you know? Forsaken are Lordaeronians. So its not that strange. Also that train went like 20 years ago, no? Bitching about Blood Elves in Horde is quite old story to me.

[Tanaria]

Faction motivated resistance - it's all about, don't want alliance having a horde city etc.. that's what all this quibbling is about. Don't want Alliance getting a horde race - nevermind the race was originally alliance, so they have a point.

but the friction this has generated eclipses that of the orc vs human which is what horde alliance conflict should be about.

So I'd be continuing to hope blizzard well and truly take the elves out of this play by effectively downgraded the relevance of the factions to them.

You can still have your elves have friends in the respective factions the players can join, and it's up to players to choose whether they want to hate the other group or be friends, the game will no longer force enmity, and if they were sharing their cities, that would definitely open that up.

Well, it's too late for that.

The alliance high elves are fully entrenched with the Alliance and have now made their home of Silverglade Refuge.
Their comments to the Blood Elves basically tell us all that we need to know.

What you wanted is now, dead in the water.

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Agreed. All the Alliance players salivating over the idea of getting a Horde city can kindly gtfo. I only hope they make the guards super OP so people don't get any cute ideas about raiding a Horde city.

Same.

High Elves have their own place now, connected to Quel'Thalas. They can't have that and Windrunner Village, Spire and Silvermoon.

They are getting their 2 locations of Silverglade Refuge and Windrunner Village.

[Mace]

How about they just leave it, since the elf divide was actually great during WoW's peaking years of 2010.

So Silvermoon and Suramar either need to be Alliance or neutral? How about we go with my way - keep them Horde, lore-based.
I must admit - I am very happy your nonsense ideas of 2020 didn't come to pass in Midnight. Silvermoon is crafted perfection and is exactly based around it's core race, the Blood Elves.

Well, I always hated the elves killing each other.. this is not to say elven conflicts were not interesting, , you can have conflict amongst allies easily. Highborne tug of war against druids - one groups is focused on civilization and culture of the people, the other is focused on the world and nature, and the history , even as friends, you know stuff can happen.

Similarly , it's easy to have Farstriders and Masters or Blood Knights clash , Fel users and how that is handled, they have so much stuff, you don't need pure out war.

However, sure the faction divide can be fun for players, but it can still be around and play a role too without being so heavy handed. It doesn't need to consume the elves.

At the end of the day, it just seems ridiculous to me that fully aware that both night elves and high elves are original creators and occupants of those cities and involved with the alliance, that in able to have them on the horde, the horde fans feel strongly that Alliance has no right to them is beyond reason. I can only say is that they greatly treasure these elves on their side, but are completely ignoring hte fact that those elves also mean a lot ot the alliance players.. and if blizzard continues to keep the horde having all the goodies, they are maintaining an un-necessary divide that doesn't need to happen.


You know full well the blood elves come from the alliance, and the high elf faction is form there. you know full well the Nightborne are night elves of Suramar from which the Darnassians also come from and are the in-game kaldorei empire night elves - existing in and because of the night elf story.. to feel exclusively entitled to them is beyond belief given their history and given the questing sequence that had night elves play a far greater role in the 7.0 storyline regarding their ancient city and helping their kin who were crippled by the addiction. Farodin outright said he felt such compassion for his kin, Farondis was loathe to destroy the invading Nightborne and withered, feeling sorry for them. All of 7.0 had continuous help - and if you feel from a story point of view that the origin city of Tyrande, Malfurion, Illidan, Jarod, Maiev, the Order of Elune's capital and second most important city tot he night elves has nothing to do with them given the Nightborne are the night elves of that city and kin to their folk just shows how dishonest some horde fans hare being and highlights their unreasonable desire to have it all.

To deny players who like the night elves or the alliance, and the high elves to have no part or claim in Silvermoon because it's Blood elven (effectively renamed high elves) or Nightborne (effectively Highborne Night elves of a local city) is in all honesty, completely disregarding others to selfishly possess something you know comes from another group...rather than to just be happy you can play with that on your favourite faction.

is the enmity between horde fans and alliance fans that bad that even after appeal or being fully ware of the desires of other human beings you can completely disregard it selfishly/ Look you have a right to want to covet the elven assets for your faction, but I don't think this is reasonable, and I don't think it is good for community moral - ti's over the top.

We would not be having hte same level of arguments about Orcs or Tauren stuff because those were never part of the Alliance, and fans of those races don't have to jump the faction divide to play them. T his is why Alliance don't make posts about getting Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff. But you have those about Lordaeron, and you have lots about Silvermoon and Suramar. Also their are no arguments about Earthen, a dwarven based race, because the Earthen exist on both factions, if the Earthen had gone horde exclusively, their might have been some more issues.

Yet alas, Earthen are not as treasured as elves.
@Alanar you're never not going to have Alliance fans interested or talking about Quel'thalas, Suramar, Silvermoon, Blood elves or Nightborne especially about getting similar assets or their original stuff, Suramar come form the night elf lore, so night elf fans and Alliance fans, even if they aren't fun of the Nightborne versions, are always going to be in there, same with Silvermoon. IF you were a fan of High elves first or High elves and the Alliance, even if you don't like the blood elf version, you're going to be interested, those locations, race and people are from the lore of that race and people group.

You cannot reasonably expect all the fans of Night elves or high elves to just disengage and be fine about it or blame them for wanting what they have lost that is part of the lore of the race they like. This is what happens when you cross things over from one faction to the other.

If Orgrimmar went to the Alliance, or trolls switched sides, I'm sorry you will have Horde fans either asking for it back, asking to have it or asking for something equally as impressive if the orcs that lost it were now refuges or even if they got a new zone, but no city.

Stop trying to make your fellow human beings and fans feel like they have no right to like or desire these things, just because you clearly don't want them to. They have a right as Warcraft fans, even if they weren't elf fans. Sure they can go play the appropriate faction if they had no vested interest in the elves, but they have a right to want or desire or suggest things like a share or corporation or a switch, you can object, but please don't villainise them for it and it's unnecessary to hate them for it or even hate the fact that they do ask, even if you do.

[Clone]

Faction motivated resistance - it's all about, don't want alliance having a horde city etc.. that's what all this quibbling is about. Don't want Alliance getting a horde race - nevermind the race was originally alliance, so they have a point.

Not at all, at least not from my end. This is entirely motivated by resistance to Alliance players' attitude, and not the Alliance faction. In fact I've pushed for playable high elves before.

[Tanaria]

We would not be having hte same level of arguments about Orcs or Tauren stuff because those were never part of the Alliance, and fans of those races don't have to jump the faction divide to play them. T his is why Alliance don't make posts about getting Orgrimmar or Thunderbluff. But you have those about Lordaeron, and you have lots about Silvermoon and Suramar. Also their are no arguments about Earthen, a dwarven based race, because the Earthen exist on both factions, if the Earthen had gone horde exclusively, their might have been some more issues.

Only you make the posts about Silvermoon and Suramar and I've not seen any people demand Lordaeron, not since you and Ravenmoon were obsessed with displacing Blood Elves, Nightborne, Forsaken and Highmountain.

Those places are no longer part of the Alliance (for Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas) and have never been part of the Alliance (Suramar.)

So...you can like things that are now associated with Night Elves (Amidrassil and Bel'ameth), Void Elves (Telogrus and Voidstorm) and High Elves (Silverglade.)

Silvermoon and Suramar, by lore standards, along with Lordaeron - should remain Horde-lead and Horde governed now. The Alliance has no rights to them.

[Alanar]

@Mace,

No, I agree on the part lets just leave at it is and follow the lore we have. There is no point in the what ifs and "should have been" I have told you this now several times. Going to ignore the rest of your outburst, as its not worth the time.

Suramar and Silvermoon are horde lorewise. No one is demanding the city or wanting it other then the nightborne(suramar) The people who have always lived there are still there, so there is no claim nor is there any fighting over it. The Night elves simply have their own things going and are not even interrsted in Suramar. That and they are seperatee, their own people, with their own way forward. We will see more of them in Midnight.

We also have the confirmation high elves dont want to live in Silvermoon. A nice update they found their spot in Silverglade, which people should be happy they got one. Meh, they are few in numbers in general, so Idk what you expect, but I think the spot is fine. We will also now see more of the void elves, so idk how important the high elves will be in general. Minor force for sure.

Conclusion; Its clear, the Nightborne, blood elves, but also night elves have moved on, so did we. Now you.

[Mace]

@Mace,

No, I agree on the part lets just leave at it is and follow the lore we have. There is no point in the what ifs and "should have been" I have told you this now several times. Going to ignore the rest of your outburst, as its not worth the time.

Sure we can supspend what ifs etc, they are avalid part of a conversational topic over something that hasn't occured yet. Playable high elves is a what if , long before void elves became playable regardless of whether it's legit okay to consider your void elf toon as a high elf or not.

[MENTION=544580]

Suramar and Silvermoon are horde lorewise. No one is demanding the city or wanting it other then the nightborne(suramar) The people who have always lived there are still there, so there is no claim nor is there any fighting over it. The Night elves simply have their own things going and are not even interrsted in Suramar. That and they are seperatee, their own people, with their own way forward. We will see more of them in Midnight.

Suramar and Silvermoon are not horde, they are Nightborne and Blood elven, there is a difference. Orgrimmar is horde. But Undercity is not.


The night elf faction on the alliance still doesn't have a capital city, but one of it's racial cities has returned.

The night elves in Suramar, now Nightborne, having remained there do have the right to call it home always have done, even if they hadn't, but they do not invalidate night elves from either having a claim or wanting to. Whether they wish to or not. You seem to be confusing two things, just because it's the Nightborne home doesn't mean the night elves are excuded from calling it home too. So the ruins of the other half of the city at the bottom of the ocean, they belong to the Nightborne too but not the Night elves? Or maybe because the fish and corals are there for the last 10k years, they belong ot the fish and corals, not the Night elves or Nightborne by that logic.

Also you can plausible consider Shen'dralar, Darnassian Highborne, Moonguard, Broken Isle night elves and well anyone amongst the night elves could prefer to live in the city. what makes you think Night elves aren't interested in living there?

you make an assumption you have no proof of.

[MENTION=544580]
Furthermore, since blizzard hasn't revisited the zone or the city, and as we left things in 7.x, I recall seeing many night elves as part of the entourage directly helping the Nightfallen and Suramar - such as the Moonguard, the refugees from Val'sharah, Farodin etc,

We also have the confirmation high elves dont want to live in Silvermoon. A nice update they found their spot in Silverglade, which people should be happy they got one. Meh, they are few in numbers in general, so Idk what you expect, but I think the spot is fine. We will also now see more of the void elves, so idk how important the high elves will be in general. Minor force for sure.

Conclusion; Its clear, the Nightborne, blood elves, but also night elves have moved on, so did we. Now you.

But we have confirmation of high elves LIVING in Silvermoon - all you can say is that at the moment in time you saw the picture of the Silver Covenant high elf, that particular high elf did not want to live in Silvermoon, this doesn't mean High elves do not live in Silvermoon nor does it mean that no high elf doesn't want to live in Silvermoon

Aren't you being a bit too presumptuous there.

As it stand s in the alpha, only 1/3 of the city is horde, why are you assuming that the 2/3rds that are cross faction are also 100% horde? Does the possibility of Alliance elves living in amongst the non-horde are not even occur to you?

Where do you think Arathor was living in the short story earlier on? If no high elves live in Silvermoon or don't want to?

This is all nonsense, why wouldn't some night elves want to return to their city? or high elves too? Maiev went crazy over losing Suramar, do you not think she'd want to go back to her city? what about night elves who prefer living in cities? or do you think that the race who created such a vast civilization simply aren't capable of it? or do you think that all of them after having to go without magic or civilization for 10k years to fulfil hte Long vigil, would not desire to live in a city? Well Darnassus proves you wrong, Night elves who live and desire to rebuild Eldre'thalas also prove you wrong.

Some night elves want to live in a forest, some want to live in a temple, some wnat to live in a city, but apparently they are all just a uni-elves, they all just only "not want to live in Suarmar" and "not want to live in Silvermoon", so only those allied with the horde can ever be there.

like cities can't be shared. Dalaran and Shattrath are looking at you. but apparently only alliance cities are allowed to go horde, or be shared, or even destroyed (Theramore and Darnassus are looking at you), horde cities are immune to all that.

[Tanaria]

But we have confirmation of high elves LIVING in Silvermoon

We've had High Elves living in Silvermoon since the Quel'Delar quest chain, but the key here is:
How important are they?

I mean, these High Elves have been living under Horde law since that time. So, that's during the Purge of Dalaran incident, which was a major divide between the relationship between High Elves and Blood Elves.

Now, I don't think the High Elf fanbase want the High Elves to be like this. Arator is an example of living in Silvermoon, but he is subject to and under the Horde law, because Lor'themar is a Horde leader. The same applies to the High Elves who perhaps made their return during the Quel'Delar chain. The thing is - Silvermoon won't change to "neutral" via the lore, because Blizzard couldn't have made it anymore clearer through quest npcs and through the Sin'dorei navy, that this is a Horde location.
This throws the question of how important are those High Elves in Silvermoon? Or, are they now just considered to be "Sin'dorei" since they haven't offered anything additional to the overall story since 2010 and that was before the two major incidents which severely hindered the relations between High Elves and Blood Elves (Theramore's Destruction & Purge of Dalaran). Have those who moved back during Quel'Delar, just decided to join Silvermoon, join the Sin'dorei and therefore, join the Horde by extension?

Is that what the High Elf fanbase wants, because I'm not sold on it.
Silverglade Refuge isn't big...but it's big enough for the purposes of an allied race introduction. Not even @elbleuet could deny that