Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Alanar]

Sure we can supspend what ifs etc, they are avalid part of a conversational topic over something that hasn't occured yet. Playable high elves is a what if , long before void elves became playable regardless of whether it's legit okay to consider your void elf toon as a high elf or not.

We can also suspend the "should have beens" and move on. No point in repeating the same things. We are long past this. Regarding playable high elf, they are treated right now for both blood elf and void elf. This is an rp option. Thats not a what if.

Suramar and Silvermoon are not horde, they are Nightborne and Blood elven, there is a difference. Orgrimmar is horde. But Undercity is not.

They are part of the horde lorewise, just as Undercity is. I am not sure what actual difference you are talking about. But all kingdom leaders are part of the horde council and are considered horde. Ofc the city is of the nightborne or silvermoon is of the blood elves, no one is arguiing that. Use common sense here.

The night elves in Suramar, now Nightborne, having remained there do have the right to call it home always have done, even if they hadn't, but they do not invalidate night elves from either having a claim or wanting to. Whether they wish to or not. You seem to be confusing two things, just because it's the Nightborne home doesn't mean the night elves are excuded from calling it home too. So the ruins of the other half of the city at the bottom of the ocean, they belong to the Nightborne too but not the Night elves? Or maybe because the fish and corals are there for the last 10k years, they belong ot the fish and corals, not the Night elves or Nightborne by that logic.

Again, you seek some difference here, were there is none. What I meant is that, no one is seeking to take Suramar, nor do the night elves showed any interest in it, so you are just making this up. It just not a topic, nor should it be. Its just something that you started and want , but outside of that bares no relevance to what is happening in game or matters.

The city and whole of Suramar belongs to the Nightborne. Wether some elven ruins from there belonged to old night elves is just not a question anynone is wondering. We know they are there. All outside the bubble, like Azsuna etc. Idk why this matters.

[Mace]

@Alanar


It's clear the situation in Silvermoon by the developers is not the same a horde-alliance perspective that you players seem to have. THey don't think of it as Silvermoon is Horde in the way players seem to, only players do, Arathor has had a house in the city, Turlayon is visiting when Alleria shows up and actually despite being a void elf, is granted permission in. Alleria and the void elves are banned, and the Silver Covenant won't go anywhere near it except to kill blood elves (as of current), but other high elves are there, Auric Sunchaser, Arathor, and presumably others too, clearly Silvermoon does not insist all elves pledge loyalty to the horde as players seem to think. Could possibly be that actually, only a handful of Thalassians are faction zealots, largely the Silver Covenant and the void elves, and a portion of the Blood elves who while recognise their nation is allied with the horde, don't view it as some sort of rose tinted entity that commands their loyalty. How could it be anyway, they've twice almost left the horde altogether, and dictators keep propping up, I wouldn't be surprised if they're in it to stop the Orcs from become tyrants again and sacking Silvermoon like they did in WC2, rather than in it out of some sense of loyalty. Necessity demands the official membership.

But then how many capitals across the Azeroth continent still have members of their own race aligned differently and have foreigners of all manner of faction? Clearly the situation isn't so black and white as fans, who only obsess about horde/alliance, believe.

[Alanar]

It's clear the situation in Silvermoon by the developers is not the same a horde-alliance perspective that you players seem to have. THey don't think of it as Silvermoon is Horde in the way players seem to, only players do, .

This doesnt mean anything. Silvermoon is still alligned with horde and belongs to the blood elves. The alliance for that matter are there as guest so to speak. They are there to help defend silvermoon.

But then how many capitals across the Azeroth continent still have members of their own race aligned differently and have foreigners of all manner of faction? Clearly the situation isn't so black and white as fans, who only obsess about horde/alliance, believe.

No idea what your on about, but again nothing of importance, because we are clearly talking about Suramar and slightly about Silvermoon. Wich we know what they are, who they are with and what they are about.

[Garrac]

Im starting to suspect the future Isle of Fangs patch will find it'ss way to be about high elves, which would be both insane, exfuriating, and hilarious to see.

[Mace]

This doesnt mean anything. Silvermoon is still alligned with horde and belongs to the blood elves. The alliance for that matter are there as guest so to speak. They are there to help defend silvermoon.

Yes, the Allinace are there as guests, but the High elves living there aren't, and the relationship with void elves too is not a matter of faction. The thing is players are only viewing these comments with respect to the Alliance and the Horde. Once again, Quel'thalas does not bleong to the horde, nor does Silvermoon, it belongs to the Thalassian elves, there is a difference.

No idea what your on about, but again nothing of importance, because we are clearly talking about Suramar and slightly about Silvermoon. Wich we know what they are, who they are with and what they are about.

The point is simple, why can you accept another race visiting and even living in Orgrimmar from a neutral faction or elsewhere, but not one from the alliance? What about a race that has members in the Alliance, but that particular individual or their group living in either hte Horde capital or the Tauren capital are not aligned to the Alliance. what about other neutrals like Furbolgs, or Ethereal individuals.

At one point Highborne night elves were living in all the horde cities doing reforging, , and you know there are high elves, including Arathor that live in Silvermoon, and he is allied to the Alliance, just not the Silver Covenant nor the Ren'dorei, but rather the SIlverHand order, -


What I'm saying is that you view high elf participation in Silvermoon in terms of Alliance having a share of Silvermoon, while there is nothing wrong with that either, this is not what I mean when is ay High elves or the alliance have stake in their too, I'm talking about the Thalassian elves as a people, while you are thinking of it as a Horde/Alliance faction thing.

Same with Suramar etc.

when the developers view these things even, they don't even think oh, if we make Suramar horde, we are disadvantaging the Alliance, they think it's a common questing area, players have access to it all the time, whether the city dwellers are majority horde isn't relevant.. they have never officially gone, oh Suramar and the Broken Isles are horde, just that Thalyassra's government allied with the horde, but that was entirely so that Nightborne would be playable and blood elves and thus the horde would get another pretty race, Nightborne were an opportunity to do that, and though initially they were to go Alliance, for some this was a good enough reason. Void elves going alliance was the recompense, ithe Thalasisans were always popular with the Alliance and it's n big deal to have them, the fear 10 years prior of doing that would be the Alliance players that went horde would flock back, but after so many years, they probably understood horde numbers would not be hurt like this.. no one who already had a blood elf would switch to the Alliance just to play high elf void elf, they'd probably roll a void elf toon, but likely won't transfer guild and everything. Furthermore, they had made gameplay factors due to faction imbalance a mute point, so it wouldn't matter anymore, it just so happens that they did this when the horde was greater majority having as much as 70% of the hardcore and active population play it over the alliance and this si why cross faction realms, arenas, BGs, questing zones and even guilds happened.

So even if players switched en masse to void elves, depleting hte horde, it would have no effect on game systems. this is how they think. They want Silvermoon to be a horde capital and have shown they have no plans to change that, but that does not meant hey don't want the high elves and void elves also to call it home, because they don't really view that as disadvantaging the horde, nor do they feel like many of you do "alliance hands off our stuff" - where alliance players retort "actually that was our stuff first"

[elbleuet]

Im starting to suspect the future Isle of Fangs patch will find it'ss way to be about high elves, which would be both insane, exfuriating, and hilarious to see.

There's nothing about the High elves in the isle of fangs unfortunately.

[Alanar]

Yes, the Allinace are there as guests, but the High elves living there aren't, and the relationship with void elves too is not a matter of faction. The thing is players are only viewing these comments with respect to the Alliance and the Horde. Once again, Quel'thalas does not bleong to the horde, nor does Silvermoon, it belongs to the Thalassian elves, there is a difference.

We always had high elves living in Silvermoon. High elves can also be horde or alliance alligned. Void elves are a still an alliancs faction for that matter.

That doesnt mean much, whats there to understand is that Quel"thalas and Silvermoon as it stands belong to the blood elves and the blood elves are part of the horde council and therefor part of the horde as a whole.

The point is simple, why can you accept another race visiting and even living in Orgrimmar from a neutral faction or elsewhere, but not one from the alliance? What about a race that has members in the Alliance, but that particular individual or their group living in either hte Horde capital or the Tauren capital are not aligned to the Alliance. what about other neutrals like Furbolgs, or Ethereal individuals.

I am not against that. When something like that is relevant or we have a story there, it would just be what it is. Unfortunatly for you, none of this is relevant here and you are just makijg up scenarios. I am not interested in that in this case.

What I'm saying is that you view high elf participation in Silvermoon in terms of Alliance having a share of Silvermoon, while there is nothing wrong with that either, this is not what I mean when is ay High elves or the alliance have stake in their too, I'm talking about the Thalassian elves as a people, while you are thinking of it as a Horde/Alliance faction thing.

Again, high elves have been living in Silvermoon for years and still do. No one is arguiing that. See comment above, same thing. Fanatical factions of high elves like the Silver covenant are outside the city, while Arator or any horde/silvermoon alligned high elf are in the city and presumely more, because they are all defending Silvermoon.

Same with Suramar etc.

when the developers view these things even, they don't even think oh, if we make Suramar horde, we are disadvantaging the Alliance, they think it's a common questing area, players have access to it all the time, whether the city dwellers are majority horde isn't relevant.. they have never officially gone, oh Suramar and the Broken Isles are horde,

I dont care, what you think the devs were thinking while making it the content. Just treat it for what it is.

So even if players switched en masse to void elves, depleting hte horde, it would have no effect on game systems. this is how they think. They want Silvermoon to be a horde capital and have shown they have no plans to change that, but that does not meant hey don't want the high elves and void elves also to call it home, because they don't really view that as disadvantaging the horde, nor do they feel like many of you do "alliance hands off our stuff" - where alliance players retort "actually that was our stuff first"

Again, see comment above.

Silvermoom will remain a horde capitol and its very effidently so in the alpha. How the situation will unfold for the void elves, what they call home and how Silvermoon will look like after the big battle in the end if something we will soon find out.

[Clone]

Suramar and Silvermoon are not horde, they are Nightborne and Blood elven, there is a difference. Orgrimmar is horde. But Undercity is not.

This is an outright lie or delusion. They may not be orcish, but they are Horde.

[Mace]

This is an outright lie or delusion. They may not be orcish, but they are Horde.

The only horde city is Orgrimmar, it's the only one built as a capital of the horde. .all the other cities belong to the races who built/live in them, thwe call them Alliance or horde cities because the races are allied to that faction, but if those races leave the factions they still remain racial cities but they cease to be horde.

You're too use to the status quo... Idc whether you accept this or not.

[Clone]

The only horde city is Orgrimmar, it's the only one built as a capital of the horde. .all the other cities belong to the races who built/live in them, thwe call them Alliance or horde cities because the races are allied to that faction, but if those races leave the factions they still remain racial cities but they cease to be horde.

You're too use to the status quo... Idc whether you accept this or not.

Nah, stop it with this "you sheeple" and you know better attitude. You can be Horde and whatever race at the same time. Them also being racial cities isn't exclusive to whether they are Horde or not.

[Mace]

Nah, stop it with this "you sheeple" and you know better attitude. You can be Horde and whatever race at the same time. Them also being racial cities isn't exclusive to whether they are Horde or not.

Just saying, what we colloquially refer to isn't actually the case.. in game, ta city belongs to the race. Orgrimmar was specifically built as a horde city, none of the others were. It isn't some horde city by some innate right, . The orcs are the horde, the rest are just allies or members that can come and go.

[elbleuet]

We've had High Elves living in Silvermoon since the Quel'Delar quest chain, but the key here is:
How important are they?

I mean, these High Elves have been living under Horde law since that time. So, that's during the Purge of Dalaran incident, which was a major divide between the relationship between High Elves and Blood Elves.

Now, I don't think the High Elf fanbase want the High Elves to be like this. Arator is an example of living in Silvermoon, but he is subject to and under the Horde law, because Lor'themar is a Horde leader. The same applies to the High Elves who perhaps made their return during the Quel'Delar chain. The thing is - Silvermoon won't change to "neutral" via the lore, because Blizzard couldn't have made it anymore clearer through quest npcs and through the Sin'dorei navy, that this is a Horde location.
This throws the question of how important are those High Elves in Silvermoon? Or, are they now just considered to be "Sin'dorei" since they haven't offered anything additional to the overall story since 2010 and that was before the two major incidents which severely hindered the relations between High Elves and Blood Elves (Theramore's Destruction & Purge of Dalaran). Have those who moved back during Quel'Delar, just decided to join Silvermoon, join the Sin'dorei and therefore, join the Horde by extension?

Is that what the High Elf fanbase wants, because I'm not sold on it.
Silverglade Refuge isn't big...but it's big enough for the purposes of an allied race introduction. Not even @elbleuet could deny that

Yeah I don't agree with Mace this time. Silvermoon and Suramar are firmly Horde no one questions that even if my questions remains : if the void elves are back to Silvermoon what would happen next for them since they are Alliance.
But yeah. Silverglade refuge is too small for an allied race introduction. We would need something bigger as I told you previously. Silverglade and windrunner village would be a good start

[Al Gorefiend]

Just saying, what we colloquially refer to isn't actually the case.. in game, ta city belongs to the race. Orgrimmar was specifically built as a horde city, none of the others were. It isn't some horde city by some innate right, . The orcs are the horde, the rest are just allies or members that can come and go.

How is Thunder Bluff not a Horde city.

[Lahis]

How is Thunder Bluff not a Horde city.

Apparently only Orcs are Horde.

Didn't think Mace was a Garrosh supporter in 2025 but you always learn new things.

[Al Gorefiend]

Apparently only Orcs are Horde.

Didn't think Mace was a Garrosh supporter in 2025 but you always learn new things.

Its a pretty glaring omission. He says Orgrimmar is the only horde city then lists Suramar, Undercity and Silvermoon as the "other Horde cities but not really".

I get how he could forget it, since he hyperfixates on just a single race in WoW. Maybe he forgot Tauren exist?

[Pyrophax]

Yeah I don't agree with Mace this time. Silvermoon and Suramar are firmly Horde no one questions that even if my questions remains : if the void elves are back to Silvermoon what would happen next for them since they are Alliance.
But yeah. Silverglade refuge is too small for an allied race introduction. We would need something bigger as I told you previously. Silverglade and windrunner village would be a good start

Mate, Mag'hars and Vulpera were introduces without places at all.
Void Elves had Telogrus with 3 hats.
Dark Iron have what, Darkforge (not city but anvil place)? Gameplay-wise ofc.
Lightforged have reused Vindcaar - little ship, smaller than any Silverglade tower.
Nightborne have one room in Suramar, under Tichondrius place.

Silverglade as allied race hub (if we ever get HE as allied race) is totally fine size-wise.

[Mace]

Apparently only Orcs are Horde.

Didn't think Mace was a Garrosh supporter in 2025 but you always learn new things.

The Orcs ARE the Horde, they are hte only race that can racialise the Horde. Now they have other races like Trolls and Goblins (in Wc2), Tauren and Jungle trolls (in WC3) join them by allying to them, but the lore clearly showed they were "friends" of the horde. We colloquially call them horde races.

I'm not saying anything new here, just pointing out that Silvermoon belongs to the Elves only, we use to call it a horde city because the blood elves were in the horde, and before that we called it an Alliance city cos they were in the Alliance, but neither is actually the truth, because it is neither, it's a High elf city. The horde didn't build it, nor was it built for the horde.

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Its a pretty glaring omission. He says Orgrimmar is the only horde city then lists Suramar, Undercity and Silvermoon as the "other Horde cities but not really".

I get how he could forget it, since he hyperfixates on just a single race in WoW. Maybe he forgot Tauren exist?

Would you feel better if I said Darnassus wasn't an Alliance city, nor is Ironforge or Boralus??

[Al Gorefiend]

Would you feel better if I said Darnassus wasn't an Alliance city, nor is Ironforge or Boralus??

We dont get what you're trying to say. I speak for the thread.

[allegrian]

I'm more frustrated with Haranir than no-high elves in midnigt. What a waste to steal NE lore and themes, even the druid vibe, to be made into a new temu race completely undiscovered till now to be turned into a neutral AR (so, Horde now gets both druid and magic NE fantasies in their roster) which also has the most detailed and varied customization to date, while fixing the male NE model and idle animation, making NE look almost obsolete.

They are also features as a C plot after they got shafted in their own debut expansion, and will be ignored after their zone and mini raid probably. They sohuld have just canned this race forever and use actual NE for any world tree plot they needed to tell, or at least ancient dark trolls to further cement Midnight as a literall troll expansion after everyone expected it to be the BE expansion (just like TWW was expected to be a dwarf expansion but it really is a Goblin expansion).

[Mace]

Mate, Mag'hars and Vulpera were introduces without places at all.
Void Elves had Telogrus with 3 hats.
Dark Iron have what, Darkforge (not city but anvil place)? Gameplay-wise ofc.
Lightforged have reused Vindcaar - little ship, smaller than any Silverglade tower.
Nightborne have one room in Suramar, under Tichondrius place.

Silverglade as allied race hub (if we ever get HE as allied race) is totally fine size-wise.

Mag'har have 2 entire worlds, the AU Draenor and the Outland - but I agree they should have something their own .

Vulpera are desert nomads that travel around - Voldun is their home, I don't think they have cities or anything, but I don't think they want any.. they do have an entire proper zone and quests too .


Silverglade is fine for a High elf only hub, i mean, I can see why Silvermoon has a section that is horde only but not all of it. Anyway, Alliance can't exactly visit post legion Vindicaar, while the Nighthold or Suramar palace zone of the city is all horde, not the entire city in game.

You can look at it that Quel'thalas is high elven even if their Alliance aligned factions aren't welcome there. WE don't know if Night elves aren't welcome in Suramar, that is very unlikely, and would be quite silly, making the Nightborne look really bad since there is no beef between Nightborne and night elf, nor does there need to be or should be. I don't see horde Dracthyr against Alliance ones or Pandas or Earthen spread across both factions. Not every race available in both factions need to be fighting and hate each other. Some can get a long, some can have rivalry, it can also be mixed, with some of them getting on okay, while others not - which I think is what we should have for the Thalassian elves, some blood elves and high elves should get on well, and some should despise each other. Faction can be the source of some of the aggro, but by no means needs to be the only one.

Between Nightborne and Night elves it would be even more ridiculous seeing how much the Nightborne seem to venerate their kaldorei culture and base, and also how empathetic most Kaldorei in the questing were towards the Nightborne, even though Tyrande was portrayed as annoyed/irritated by the addiction, she does come round int he end - however many other night elves, Farodin, the Moonguard, the Val'sharahn priests and druids that worked with Thalyssra all count, and now Tyrande is no longer Alliance, as High Priestess of Elune she needs to go fix the Cathedral and now focus on getting the Nightborne and Night elves having faith in Elune again after all that happened in the War of THorns, WotA etc.