Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Villager720]

I allways forget theres an actual troll alley in Orgrimmar... However, since the new ambassy got added, its made of like three huts

The embassy didn't muck with the troll areas - it was placed smack-dab in the center of the gobbo slums (who still live in tents even after 15 years).

[Alanar]

I was making a point.. shift perspective.. It isn't untrue either, you just say they're horde cities because the races are in the horde, we accept that. But the horde is a faction not a race. When we say horde city , we are abbreviating horde aligned city - for that is what we mean, they do not "belong" to the horde, their ownership is the race they occupy, and tehy're horde aligned because that race is.. not the other way round.

No one is saying horde is a race and I also didnt say its just a horde city. Its literally in my post you quoted. Its common sense to the city belongs to said race. No one is arguing that. I said the city in this case silvermoon as example. Belongs to the blood elves or Suramar city belongs to the nightborne, but the race (nightborne and blood elves) are part of the horde council and therefor part of the horde.

Realistically gameplaywise, but also lorewise they are horde cities, in function, but also in alliance. How ever you want to spin it. Same as the Undercity. Belongs to the forsaken, but is a horde city in function etc, but lorewise part of the horde. Same thing.

The difference you call out, can happen at the same time, so Its not exclusive. Its also something that is just generally known and simply not relevant. Its also another derail from were the conversion started and no it didnt happen naturally.

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I allways forget theres an actual troll alley in Orgrimmar... However, since the new ambassy got added, its made of like three huts

I really like these bridges and huts in the mountain, shame they didnt make more. They really got that from Zul farrak, which was cool.

[TheProphetLord]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/...296808605?s=20

I couldn't find the thread referred to here. But it is certainly interesting.

I wonder if the gold eyes could tie in with potential Void Elf Paladin datamining?

If the Void Elves do get golden eyes and Paladins, High Elves would be definitely dead.

[Enrif]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/...296808605?s=20

I couldn't find the thread referred to here. But it is certainly interesting.

I wonder if the gold eyes could tie in with potential Void Elf Paladin datamining?

If the Void Elves do get golden eyes and Paladins, High Elves would be definitely dead.

It is the big speculation thread. I pointed out the quel‘thalas adventurer in the SW portal room uses blood elf lines. Not a void elf. Not the high elf lines from silvergladr either. Pure „glory to the sindorei“ lines.

I mean, neutral blood elves would for me essentially be the high elves for the alliance too.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It is the big speculation thread. I pointed out the quel‘thalas adventurer in the SW portal room uses blood elf lines. Not a void elf. Not the high elf lines from silvergladr either. Pure „glory to the sindorei“ lines.

I mean, neutral blood elves would for me essentially be the high elves for the alliance too.

I think this time they didn't bother to touch the voice sets because there is some overlap between the "Adventurers" in both Portal Rooms.

TBH It shows they are still unsure how neutral they are portraying BE on MN, so they kinda just chose the implication the adventurers on SW *might* be High Elves.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ironforge and Boralus could be argued are alliance cities. Darnassus was a night elve city that was allied with the alliance. Like we have in our world some countries that are in NATO, and others are allied with NATO but not part of the alliance

From the wolfheart we know the night elf's were fully alliance, The draenei would be the actual "Nato ally" from wrath-cata with the other leaders not knowing if they considered them selfs part of the alliance or not until they showed up to one of the meetings all of the heads were at.

[Enrif]

From the wolfheart we know the night elf's were fully alliance, The draenei would be the actual "Nato ally" from wrath-cata with the other leaders not knowing if they considered them selfs part of the alliance or not until they showed up to one of the meetings all of the heads were at.

thats fair

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I think this time they didn't bother to touch the voice sets because there is some overlap between the "Adventurers" in both Portal Rooms.

TBH It shows they are still unsure how neutral they are portraying BE on MN, so they kinda just chose the implication the adventurers on SW *might* be High Elves.

this is very much probably what happend. But it is interesting that they are consistent that the alliance version doesn't show green eyes.

Though, since i heard of the non-Velen draenei, i wonder if we get a new batch of "allied" races, that are basically faction swaps of the existing races. So Blood Elves become neutral, with the Sin'dorei be on the Horde, while the Quel'dorei are on the alliance. From a mechanical perspective they are like Huojin and Tushi Pandaren, different in Lore, same in mechanical gameplay. Same for the non-Velen draenei joining up with the horde (as they settled on a harsh and dangerous world that make them like the horde style?), while the Velen draenei stay with the alliance.

Let these start faction swapped races start as level 10 allied races, without actually being allied races as we knew. Their heritage armor can be just a color swap from the actual race, like we see with the pandaren heritage armor. So a blue and silver version of the BE heritage set for alliance blood elves, and perhaps a red and black version of the Draenei heritage set for horde draenei. Of course, the Man'ari and Darkfallen customization will be still available for both sides.

[Jaggler]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/...296808605?s=20

I couldn't find the thread referred to here. But it is certainly interesting.

I wonder if the gold eyes could tie in with potential Void Elf Paladin datamining?

If the Void Elves do get golden eyes and Paladins, High Elves would be definitely dead.

The golden eyed elf already runs through the Horde portal room, and it totally makes sense that the Blood Elves with green eyes don't run through the Stormwind portal room.

[Rhlor]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/...296808605?s=20

I couldn't find the thread referred to here. But it is certainly interesting.

I wonder if the gold eyes could tie in with potential Void Elf Paladin datamining?

If the Void Elves do get golden eyes and Paladins, High Elves would be definitely dead.

Those are blood elves, they use blood elf models and have blood elf voices.

[elbleuet]

I can confirm that these golden-eyed elves with Blood Elf voice lines and hairstyles are flagged as Alliance in PvP.
With Void Elf paladin mounts being datamined, maybe new customisations for void elves are coming.
I just want my Alliance paladin high elf already

[Enrif]

I can confirm that these golden-eyed elves with Blood Elf voice lines and hairstyles are flagged as Alliance in PvP.
With Void Elf paladin mounts being datamined, maybe new customisations for void elves are coming.
I just want my Alliance paladin high elf already

i think making blood elf neutral, instead of making void elves into blood elves would be preferential

[Rhlor]

i think making blood elf neutral, instead of making void elves into blood elves would be preferential

Make the most played race in the Horde neutral? What's next, making humans neutral? So the factions dissolve?

[Enrif]

Make the most played race in the Horde neutral? What's next, making humans neutral? So the factions dissolve?

i would love that. Arathi with round ears are basically humans, and could be the hordes humans. Need to some orcs that would join up with the alliance

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

this is very much probably what happend. But it is interesting that they are consistent that the alliance version doesn't show green eyes.

Though, since i heard of the non-Velen draenei, i wonder if we get a new batch of "allied" races, that are basically faction swaps of the existing races. So Blood Elves become neutral, with the Sin'dorei be on the Horde, while the Quel'dorei are on the alliance. From a mechanical perspective they are like Huojin and Tushi Pandaren, different in Lore, same in mechanical gameplay. Same for the non-Velen draenei joining up with the horde (as they settled on a harsh and dangerous world that make them like the horde style?), while the Velen draenei stay with the alliance.

Let these start faction swapped races start as level 10 allied races, without actually being allied races as we knew. Their heritage armor can be just a color swap from the actual race, like we see with the pandaren heritage armor. So a blue and silver version of the BE heritage set for alliance blood elves, and perhaps a red and black version of the Draenei heritage set for horde draenei. Of course, the Man'ari and Darkfallen customization will be still available for both sides.

Honestly that would be the dream, but I'm unsure if we will ever see that in game. Non Velen draenei just came across as a bit of lorebuilding for me rather than a potential new AR. (Unless we end up going to their planet hehe)

But yeah, Blizz has always paid at lest lip service to the existence of High Elves on the alliance. So far I am actually kinda bummed we have seen so little about them on Quel'thalas, either as the pilgrims that visited the Sunwell, Auric as ambassador, or even explicit acknowledgement of any high elves that returned to Quel'Thalas after the rebirth of the Sunwell. We do see them in Silverglade gathering for some reason, We *know* the resolution of the Sunwell plot after the raid will include them, but the absence of High Elves as part of the worldbuilding so far has been :/

[Enrif]

So far I am actually kinda bummed we have seen so little about them on Quel'thalas, either as the pilgrims that visited the Sunwell, Auric as ambassador, or even explicit acknowledgement of any high elves that returned to Quel'Thalas after the rebirth of the Sunwell. We do see them in Silverglade gathering for some reason, We *know* the resolution of the Sunwell plot after the raid will include them, but the absence of High Elves as part of the worldbuilding so far has been :/

Not just high elves, alliance NPCs in general are completely missing in Silvermoon. And i mean, duh Silvermoon should have mostly blood elves. But I just made my run on a horde character in the beta and had to tell the NPCs that "the alliance is staying", and i was like: what alliance? There is not a single generic alliance npc, heck not even the vanguard is there. The only "alliance" npc was Taelia. Gidwin is a dwarf, but Argent Crusade instead of alliance, Turalyon is Vanguard of the Light, and not represent anything alliance at the moment.

I would expect at least a diplomatic group of 4 to 5 npcs of alliance NPCs near the sanctum, and a few groups of Vanguard NPCs across the city. But nothing of the like. makes the narrative not really click together.

[Jaggler]

and i was like: what alliance?

Half the playerbase running around Silvermoon

[Enrif]

Half the playerbase running around Silvermoon

yeah, no, doesn't hold up on servers like Tarren Mill or Blackhand.

If they want to convey a alliance issue, they have to put in the NPCs to show it.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Not just high elves, alliance NPCs in general are completely missing in Silvermoon. And i mean, duh Silvermoon should have mostly blood elves. But I just made my run on a horde character in the beta and had to tell the NPCs that "the alliance is staying", and i was like: what alliance? There is not a single generic alliance npc, heck not even the vanguard is there. The only "alliance" npc was Taelia. Gidwin is a dwarf, but Argent Crusade instead of alliance, Turalyon is Vanguard of the Light, and not represent anything alliance at the moment.

I would expect at least a diplomatic group of 4 to 5 npcs of alliance NPCs near the sanctum, and a few groups of Vanguard NPCs across the city. But nothing of the like. makes the narrative not really click together.

TBH rather the the Alliance itself as an organization, it is the Vanguard of the Light which has been allowed in, which I do find very interesting. The alliance is allowed on Silvermoon through the Vanguard, but no political overtures have been made with alliance leaders in that role. Anduin does throw his weight around as the High King to save Umbric, but so far the alliance leaders have not represented themselves as such, merely as members of the Vanguard.

Considering how the TWW max level campaign did have some faction happenings, I wonder if we will see it as such in a similar fashion.

[elbleuet]

This little guy, from the Alliance Expedition is returning !

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rellian

I'm now waiting for Auric to make his return <3

[Rhlor]

This little guy, from the Alliance Expedition is returning !

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rellian

I'm now waiting for Auric to make his return <3

Not seeing Auric anywhere is worrying; I hope they haven't forgotten him.