Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Psykho]

As someone who enjoys the Void Elves and likes the aesthetic they're getting in Midnight, I think high elves should get a dedicated option, that way Void elf customization options and stuff like paladin mounts, druid forms, and shaman totems can lean into their own aesthetic with extra eyes or a claw option or the like instead of catering to a crowd that just want to be high elves

Seriously imagine if Void Elves got access to Paladins and those who were excited for something like a void unicorn with white armor with an aesthetic that looks as if light shards are being swallowed by a voracious maw (with floating void shard too of course), had to make do with a Pretty white unicorn in blue high elven armor

and to those who say "just use a different mount" well what if we get Void Elf druids, it would be much more fitting to get some cosmic void monstrosity using the new Pango model rather than a generic elf bear that can have a normal looking recolor for the high elf fans

and to top it off what if they get shamans what would they even do with the totem, how the hell could they make something fit both aesthetics at the same time

not to mention the whole justification for Horde getting blood elves in the first place was kind of half-baked, like yeah one Lordaeronian was a supremacist a-hole to the Silvermoon refugees so now they now their trust in all of humanity is shattered so now they're going to join the faction that only has one playable race that doesn't have a history of being openly hostile to them(or any history with them at all in-fact)

like imagine Blizz one day just went "Ogre will now be playable exclusively for Alliance, oh you wanted ogres Horde? fine we'll give you Nature Ogres which has a racial that turns them green and flowery randomly, so you remember they're infused with nature magic, if you want to be a regular ogre the Alliance is waiting for you" that's basically what being a high elf fan has been like since BC

I'm not even big into High Elves, I'm more of a Worgen guy

[Ardenaso]

i could see humans and orcs among the last line to break in the faction walls crumbling down.

Sounds arbitrary at best IMO; especially since thalassians are pretty much humans with long ears and glowing eyes - might as well have no wrong to put living humans in the horde to match the fair-skinned void elves

No, we see the first interaction with 11.2.7

Hmm, still the same expansion; so it's a bit recent, still I think

[Rhlor]

someone on the EU forum transcribed the audio files that deal with the high elves returning to silvermoon

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-2/595213/2594


i wonder where this will lead too.

for me, the last part about the compact, would be the ideal solution to the high elf discussion. The compact has obviously members that like the horde, and others that like the alliance. We have seen this with pandaren and dracthyr before. Same people, different likes in the factions. Neutral "blood/high" elves would, at least for me, rest the case for high elves entirely.

As a Blood Elf player, I despise the Silver Covenant. They committed crimes and didn't pay for them, and now we just forgive them and that's it?

I imagine it can't be pleasant for an Alliance player that the main High Elf faction of the Alliance dissolved and now joined a faction with Blood Elves.

[Vaedan]

As a Blood Elf player, I despise the Silver Covenant. They committed crimes and didn't pay for them, and now we just forgive them and that's it?

I imagine it can't be pleasant for an Alliance player that the main High Elf faction of the Alliance dissolved and now joined a faction with Blood Elves.

Silver Covenant vs Sunreavers conflict was already settled down during our campaign on Isle of Thunder. There, when the hostilities peaked, Jaina and Lor'themar were confronted by Taran Zhu about pointless nature of violence and vengeance. Both Jaina and Lor'themar decided to walk away and abandon any further escalations. Lor'themar later worked with Jaina on several other ocassions, so it seems he most likely does not see this as worth any further action.

The main moral of that story was about never-ending cycle of hatred - that one action of violence triggers violent answer, which then triggers another violence, and so the cycle continues, until all are destroyed. Lor'themar and Jaina walking away from the conflict symbolize breaking of the cycle and hope for better future... and as these two were able to cooperate later, even during very intense Fourth War, proved them right.

[Rhlor]

Silver Covenant vs Sunreavers conflict was already settled down during our campaign on Isle of Thunder. There, when the hostilities peaked, Jaina and Lor'themar were confronted by Taran Zhu about pointless nature of violence and vengeance. Both Jaina and Lor'themar decided to walk away and abandon any further escalations. Lor'themar later worked with Jaina on several other ocassions, so it seems he most likely does not see this as worth any further action.

The main moral of that story was about never-ending cycle of hatred - that one action of violence triggers violent answer, which then triggers another violence, and so the cycle continues, until all are destroyed. Lor'themar and Jaina walking away from the conflict symbolize breaking of the cycle and hope for better future... and as these two were able to cooperate later, even during very intense Fourth War, proved them right.

Garrosh was tried for war crimes, remember? Isn't throwing civilians to the sharks a war crime?
You can't just forgive and forget the crimes committed by criminals; there has to be punishment. Sylvanas is punished for her crimes, but Veeresa isn't.
It's a clear Alliance bias: the Horde pays for their crimes, while the Alliance only gets forgiven and forgotten.

[Enrif]

Garrosh was tried for war crimes, remember? Isn't throwing civilians to the sharks a war crime?
You can't just forgive and forget the crimes committed by criminals; there has to be punishment. Sylvanas is punished for her crimes, but Veeresa isn't.
It's a clear Alliance bias: the Horde pays for their crimes, while the Alliance only gets forgiven and forgotten.

the horde pays for war crimes, yes. Yet, do you even question: who do they commit the war crimes on? The alliance has eaten shit so many times while the horde laughed. Learn from Taran Zhu, and just turn around and stop.

[Cheezits]

The mass majority of players do not care about this, they just want lol Alliance elf that isn't turning people in combat. That's the reason for this.

[elbleuet]

As a Blood Elf player, I despise the Silver Covenant. They committed crimes and didn't pay for them, and now we just forgive them and that's it?

I imagine it can't be pleasant for an Alliance player that the main High Elf faction of the Alliance dissolved and now joined a faction with Blood Elves.

Blood elves are mostly neutral now so I don't care. I'm glad to see them back to their ancestral homeland. And they bring the blue and silver colors back to Silvermoon.

[Vaedan]

Garrosh was tried for war crimes, remember? Isn't throwing civilians to the sharks a war crime?
You can't just forgive and forget the crimes committed by criminals; there has to be punishment. Sylvanas is punished for her crimes, but Veeresa isn't.
It's a clear Alliance bias: the Horde pays for their crimes, while the Alliance only gets forgiven and forgotten.

It seems you do not understand the message behind that story, then. It does not change a fact that for leader of blood elves, this matter is closed.

Also night elves were able to forgive genocide and Burning of their home, which was not done only by Sylvanas, by whole Horde, following occupation of Darkshore. Blood elves were part of that as well and I did not see them answer for this either. How about head of Liadrin, who has active commander of Sylvanas' forces during Fourth War?

[Rhlor]

It seems you do not understand the message behind that story, then. It does not change a fact that for leader of blood elves, this matter is closed.

Also night elves were able to forgive genocide and Burning of their home, which was not done only by Sylvanas, by whole Horde, following occupation of Darkshore. Blood elves were part of that as well and I did not see them answer for this either. How about head of Liadrin, who has active commander of Sylvanas' forces during Fourth War?

Sylvanas was tried and convicted by Tyrande. But with Vereesa, it's just forgiveness and forgetting? That's unfair! She massacred civilians, threw them to sharks—she deserved punishment!

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Blood elves are mostly neutral now so I don't care. I'm glad to see them back to their ancestral homeland. And they bring the blue and silver colors back to Silvermoon.

Quel'Thalas is a Horde kingdom ruled by a racial leader of the Horde who is part of the council that governs the Horde.

[Enrif]

Sylvanas was tried and convicted by Tyrande. But with Vereesa, it's just forgiveness and forgetting? That's unfair! She massacred civilians, threw them to sharks—she deserved punishment!

she already got punished. The horde killed her husband

[Rhlor]

she already got punished. The horde killed her husband

Garrosh died and was tried for war crimes. She committed war crimes and went unpunished.

[Enrif]

Garrosh died and was tried for war crimes. She committed war crimes and went unpunished.

yeah? what was garrosh punishment? escaping and creating the iron horde and then dying in a mak'gora? not much of a punishment there

and don't even try to compare the guilt of garrosh to vereesa.

[TheProphetLord]

The mass majority of players do not care about this, they just want lol Alliance elf that isn't turning people in combat. That's the reason for this.

If you could turn the racial off, it would go a long way.

[Rhlor]

yeah? what was garrosh punishment? escaping and creating the iron horde and then dying in a mak'gora? not much of a punishment there

and don't even try to compare the guilt of garrosh to vereesa.

Committing war crimes is wrong regardless of scale, and those who commit them should be punished.

[Enrif]

Committing war crimes is wrong regardless of scale, and those who commit them should be punished.

then, why are you deflecting from garrosh punishment? what was his punishment?

[Rhlor]

then, why are you deflecting from garrosh punishment? what was his punishment?

He died in draenor

[Ielenia]

I expect Blood Elves will defend their lands, not wait for their Void overlords to come and save the day.

They wouldn't have to wait for external if they didn't exile the ones who were studying the void. Consequences of Rommath's short-sightedness came back to bite him in the butt.

I expect you just leave Horde lands, as Forsaken left Gilneas and Horde left Amirdrassil.

So, because the Horde forces left the land that wasn't theirs, you expect high elves and void elves to leave the land that was theirs?

[Enrif]

He died in draenor

after establishing the iron horde, which set up gul'dan to come to azeroth, to get the legion onto azeroth.

do you think his death was punishment enough for all he did and what his actions lead to? Sylvanas has a real punishment, saving the souls she condemned. Death for garrosh isn't punishment enough for all he did.

[elbleuet]

Sylvanas was tried and convicted by Tyrande. But with Vereesa, it's just forgiveness and forgetting? That's unfair! She massacred civilians, threw them to sharks—she deserved punishment!

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Quel'Thalas is a Horde kingdom ruled by a racial leader of the Horde who is part of the council that governs the Horde.

Yeah and Lorthemar is also very friendly with the Alliance (he was invited at Allerias wedding) and Alliance elves now have an embassy in Silvermoon. Silvermoon is Horde the way Dalaran was Alliance friendly now. And we also
have Alliance blood elves in Stormwind right now in the beta.