Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Enrif]

Problem is when in the world are the Nethersent going to be relevant? Unless the idea is they go from the Voidstorm to help us, but it doesn't seem like much of a group. And then we don't seem to be going back to space for at least one and a half expansions.

The devouring host is not yet defeated, and we don't know what the patches will be about. So there is time for a draenei patch. Who knows, those nethersent draenei could perhaps be our "'k'aresh" for midnight that reveals already some things about titans they found out from those friendly demons? lots of options

Porting a TBC race into a new race would probably destroy the spaghetti code. Otherwise, yes, but I don't think it's actually possible to do that. Unless you mean just plopping everything about Belf onto Alliance and making it a new race there.

i don't know how bad the spaghetti code is. But for all i care, they could make a carbon copy of blood elves on the alliance, but these start then as an allied race at level 10. This removes the need for a level 1-10 starting zone too. Someone who knows how the code looks like could perhaps tell if that is even possible or not.

[Cheezits]

But for all i care, they could make a carbon copy of blood elves on the alliance, but these start then as an allied race at level 10. This removes the need for a level 1-10 starting zone too. Someone who knows how the code looks like could perhaps tell if that is even possible or not.

I think they can definitely do that though I think there will be some unique features added. Just anything that changes existing Horde Blood Elf characters probably won't happen.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

There's the issue of some Velf customizations being odd on Belf (purple eyes + tentacles even if their non-toggle versions are ported) plus Helf fans really wanting Velf racials toggleable while Blizzard is doubling down on them. So whatever happens will probably be their answer and a new race that doesn't turn into void would solve that.

It's the most fair way to keep Velves as the canon weirdos they are while also appealing to Helf wanters. It's kind of pointless for Horde though as you can already make a High Elf on them, which makes me think it could be just something for Alliance. Unless they add a ton of customizations unique to them like tattoos and maybe stuff themed to what happens to the Sunwell.

Easiest and most fanservice way to do this is Compact Elf on Alliance and Amani on Horde. Easy peasy WC2 blah blah.

That's the thing tho, the Compact is clearly neutral, so it doesn't work as a counterpoint to Amani on the Horde. So that seems unlikely.

Honestly with what has been datamined about the resolution of the Sunwell thing, you gotta wonder if some VE would want to rejoin the BE. With the Void not being as much of a danger anymore, maybe the easiest thing would be to make VE and BE functionally neutral.

Also NGL, they should have done anything with the Darkfallen elves, who are so conspicuously missing from everything on Midnight. They could give the VE racials the Manari Eredar treatment and reskin them to be Undead themed on a Horde "Void Elf." So if you pick an alliance Blood Elf you get a High Elf, and if you pick a Horde Void Elf you get a Darkfallen.

[Pyrophax]

But for all i care, they could make a carbon copy of blood elves on the alliance

They did, we call them Void Elves.

[Enrif]

They did, we call them Void Elves.

nah, that is the chinese knockoff no one wanted and everyone knows that. You know exactly what i mean, don't play stupid.

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That's the thing tho, the Compact is clearly neutral, so it doesn't work as a counterpoint to Amani on the Horde. So that seems unlikely.

Honestly with what has been datamined about the resolution of the Sunwell thing, you gotta wonder if some VE would want to rejoin the BE. With the Void not being as much of a danger anymore, maybe the easiest thing would be to make VE and BE functionally neutral.

Also NGL, they should have done anything with the Darkfallen elves, who are so conspicuously missing from everything on Midnight. They could give the VE racials the Manari Eredar treatment and reskin them to be Undead themed on a Horde "Void Elf." So if you pick an alliance Blood Elf you get a High Elf, and if you pick a Horde Void Elf you get a Darkfallen.

the darkfallen look was relegated to a skin option on night elves and blood elves. not sure about void elves

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Same as Umbric. Godfrey tried to overthrow Graymane bc he think he is just a beast. And after that - he commit suicide. Been razed much later by Silvanas.
Umbric stated that blood elves should return to the Alliance, basically he want to overthrown goverment to instal more fitting fot him. But somehow its in vain bc he was "exiled". That double-standarts.

You don’t know what a double standard is….

Godfrey ties to over throw the nation while apart of the nation targeting the king him self.

Umbric if we use your dishonest framing and ignore that he likely jsut wanted to go through with the plans that were already in the works in mop. Tried to “over throw” the nation while not being a part of it and never taking any actions against its leading body directly.

But even if we pretend these two are the same which they aren’t if Godfrey and stuck with the forsaken he would have been let back in just like the rest of the horde is in DF.

[Ielenia]

Again, Quel'Thalas is not a home for Void Elves or High Elves. They left it.

No, they did not. They were exiled. Do you, or do you not know the difference? If one of your friends complain about being evicted from their home, do you tell them "you left your home because you wanted to."

If they cared about their home - they wouldn't continue Void research.

They continued the research precisely because they cared about their home. Read some lore, sometime. Should do you some good.

Or actually come and help rebuild after Arthas.

How could they "come and help rebuild" if they were exiled and were under threat to be treated as enemies if they entered blood elf territory?

So your argument is you don't know but I am wrong?

No, my argument is that you are wrong either way.

Like there was whole Godfrey thing?

You mean the guy that was a piece of shit already long before being risen onto undeath?

And btw they never were exiled from Gilneas.

Contradiction, thy name is Pyrophax:

Also some forsaken are Gilnean, but were exiled nevertheless.

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I hoped for Blood Elf focus on Blood Elf expansions.

In an expansion Blizzard make it clear that it was about "uniting the elven tribes", you hoped it to be about blood elves and blood elves only? That's like hearing "we're getting tourists from all over Europe" and hoping you only get tourists from the UK.

Instead I get High Elves, Void Elves, Arator, humans and trolls.

And blood elves.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

the darkfallen look was relegated to a skin option on night elves and blood elves. not sure about void elves

I mean that Void Elf hair colors and styles are very fitting of the "darkfallen fantasy". Personally I think my darkfallen would feel better with a VE model and racials. The voicelines as well. If I had access to the VE model on the Horde, I would change my "Dark Ranger" from BE to VE in a heartbeat.

[Pyrophax]

nah, that is the chinese knockoff no one wanted and everyone knows that. You know exactly what i mean, don't play stupid.

Ofc I know. But copypaste Blood Elves for Alliance is just this "chinese knockoff no one wanted". We need subrace of neutral High Elves. But not at the expense of Blood Elves as race. Blood (H), Void (A) and High (N) works far better. We only need to differentiate blood and high elves for that. Make blood elves more luxury, more grand. With hairstyles more royal. And High Elves been High Elves.

the darkfallen look was relegated to a skin option on night elves and blood elves. not sure about void elves

I think Darkfallen of the Horde are part of Forsaken, and Darkfallen of the Alliance are part of Night Elves.

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No, they did not. They were exiled. Do you, or do you not know the difference? If one of your friends complain about being evicted from their home, do you tell them "you left your home because you wanted to."

I'm talking about High Elves here, bc we are in HE megathread.

They continued the research precisely because they cared about their home. Read some lore, sometime. Should do you some good.

We fight for the Alliance because we believe in its values. And one day I pray we will bring all of Silvermoon back into the fold

How could they "come and help rebuild" if they were exiled and were under threat to be treated as enemies if they entered blood elf territory?

Again, I'm talking about High Elves before their leave. They didn't exiled, they leave themselves. Read some lore, sometime. Should do you some good.

No, my argument is that you are wrong either way.

Classic transition to personalities

You mean the guy that was a piece of shit already long before being risen onto undeath?

That change shit. He was a Gilnean noble, noone exile him. But he tried to overthrow goverment, just like Umbric wished. Failed, suicided. His story was over for that. After rez he still gilnean, killed by gilneans. Who deny his rights for that lands bc he was undead. And moron and piece of shit. No denying that.

In an expansion Blizzard make it clear that it was about "uniting the elven tribes", you hoped it to be about blood elves and blood elves only? That's like hearing "we're getting tourists from all over Europe" and hoping you only get tourists from the UK.

Again, silly projection. Expansion was about Quel'Thalas, where we the elven tribes. And most numerous group should have spotlight, I assume? Where is it? Why story is about Arator, Alleria, Turalion and Umbric? pre-story about Vereesa? With absorption of Sunreavers by SC? With sidekicks Lor'themar+Halduron+Rommath+Liadrin.

And blood elves.

I saw wast difference of explosure of that.

[Enrif]

Ofc I know. But copypaste Blood Elves for Alliance is just this "chinese knockoff no one wanted". We need subrace of neutral High Elves. But not at the expense of Blood Elves as race. Blood (H), Void (A) and High (N) works far better. We only need to differentiate blood and high elves for that. Make blood elves more luxury, more grand. With hairstyles more royal. And High Elves been High Elves.

there is no need for a new race, as in a gameplay choice, if just making the blood elves neutral achieves the same result. gameplay. In lore the neutral blood elves that are created as an alliance character are just high elves, while those created as horde characters stay blood elves.

[Pyrophax]

there is no need for a new race, as in a gameplay choice, if just making the blood elves neutral achieves the same result. gameplay. In lore the neutral blood elves that are created as an alliance character are just high elves, while those created as horde characters stay blood elves.

We saw that earlier. Without tooltip "High Elf" moans will not stop. Reworking races are long overdue even without High Elves.
Also we don't need to spit on blood Elves once more.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

After rez he still gilnean, killed by gilneans. Who deny his rights for that lands bc he was undead. And moron and piece of shit. No denying that

Ivar Bloodfang is a silverpine Worgen he is not Gilnean and makes a whole stink about the Gilneans ditching silverpine when Crowley and the alliance leave the zone at the end of the quest line.

Godfrey’s death has zero to do any any gilenas.

[Enrif]

We saw that earlier. Without tooltip "High Elf" moans will not stop. Reworking races are long overdue even without High Elves.
Also we don't need to spit on blood Elves once more.

it was not the same, as void elves had void powers and look as part of just existing. neutral blood elf would not have that. it would be perfect as high elf

[Pyrophax]

Ivar Bloodfang is a silverpine Worgen he is not Gilnean and makes a whole stink about the Gilneans ditching silverpine when Crowley and the alliance leave the zone at the end of the quest line.

Godfrey’s death has zero to do any any gilenas.

And that part of Silverpine was Gilneas Kingdome. Abandoned after Wall. Shadowfang Keep is Baron Silverlaine's. And Baron Silverlaine was Gilnean.
Ivar is Gilnean too.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And that part of Silverpine was Gilneas Kingdome. Abandoned after Wall. Shadowfang Keep is Baron Silverlaine's. And Baron Silverlaine was Gilnean.
Ivar is Gilnean too.

We don’t have any info on what part of silverpine he is from and we know that people from Lorderon tried to flee to the wall before being denied so we don’t know if he’s Gilnean, not to mention being literally cut off from your kindom by a big ass wall and being told to fuck off is the clearest example that your no longer a member of the kingdom some one could get.

[Ielenia]

Again, I'm talking about High Elves before their leave. They didn't exiled, they leave themselves. Read some lore, sometime. Should do you some good.

The irony here. High elves didn't leave, they were exiled. High elves refused to drain mana from living beings, and because of that Lor'themar exiled them:

"When Grand Magister Rommath returned to Quel'Thalas to teach them Kael's magic siphoning ways, some elves were disgusted by the practice and refused siphoning magic from living creatures. Unable to lead a divided nation, Regent Lord Lor'themar exiled the dissenters from the kingdom, the exiles finding residence in Quel'Lithien."

Classic transition to personalities

What does that even mean? Do you somehow base your personality about "being right" so when people question you arguments you take it as a personal insult?

But he tried to overthrow goverment, just like Umbric wished.

Wow, the levels of delusions are off the charts here.

Again, silly projection.

First, you imply that you base your personality around "being right", now you demonstrate you don't know the meaning of the term "projection". Literally nothing I wrote can be seen as 'projection'.

Expansion was about Quel'Thalas, where we the elven tribes.

Blood elf, high elf, void elf. The three elven tribes.

[TheProphetLord]

So with WoWhead now speculating openly about Void Elf Paladins, do we think this could be the end of the road for High Elves?

I struggle to see how we have a road to High Elves if Void Elves get Paladins.

[NekoOwlAzure]

So with WoWhead now speculating openly about Void Elf Paladins, do we think this could be the end of the road for High Elves?

I struggle to see how we have a road to High Elves if Void Elves get Paladins.

Probably could if Blizzard would not be lazy I mean it's always gonna look weird for supposed High Elves to have the Void Elf tooltip and Void Elf racials.

[TheProphetLord]

Probably could if Blizzard would not be lazy I mean it's always gonna look weird for supposed High Elves to have the Void Elf tooltip and Void Elf racials.

Oh I agree. But they might go down the same route as they did for Eredar with the Draenei. They got warlocks too.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of this all, I am still wanting proper High Elves and give them the proper allied race treatment with a heritage armour. But I am doubting at this point it'd happen.

I just hope Void Elves finally prove themselves in Midnight, as opposed to, giving the Alliance Blood Elf models but different.

[Alanar]

Oh I agree. But they might go down the same route as they did for Eredar with the Draenei. They got warlocks too.
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Seems pretty obvious to me, that it will just be like that. Basically because it already is like this.

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I just hope Void Elves finally prove themselves in Midnight, as opposed to, giving the Alliance Blood Elf models but different.

Void elves get attention this expansion, so they are not dropping them. Together with the blood elves, the focus is there. High elves are pressent as they always were with the horde and alliance, but arent the main focus here.

Not to be that guy again, but being realistic, this is what it is. There will pretty, highly likely not be an high elf allied race. The game treats them as a token for both playable thallasian races and what makes a high elf is there already for both factions.

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Probably could if Blizzard would not be lazy I mean it's always gonna look weird for supposed High Elves to have the Void Elf tooltip and Void Elf racials.

Just like being Eredar, while having dreanei tooltip.

We have so many hidden subraces in the character creation. High elf is just one of the many. Eredar, sand trolls and darkfallen for example. They all count and are similar in options. This is just what it is, unless the character creation screend is overhauled, which I dont see happening any time soon.

Lingering in that wishfull state isnt very usefull I would say. Waste of time.