Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[KyleEverett]

Well Blood Elf exteriors got added to beta. Red windows, but blue roof!

[TheProphetLord]

That is beautiful...

Looking forward to making my Blood Elf house now.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Well Blood Elf exteriors got added to beta. Red windows, but blue roof!

Honestly BE Houses should have more neutral walls and windows with all the roof colors added lmao.

[Ielenia]

So with WoWhead now speculating openly about Void Elf Paladins, do we think this could be the end of the road for High Elves?

I struggle to see how we have a road to High Elves if Void Elves get Paladins.

As much as I would like actual high elves in the Alliance, even I had to admit the dream died the very moment Blizzard gave VEs light skin customization options + blue eyes.

[shoc]

As much as I would like actual high elves in the Alliance, even I had to admit the dream died the very moment Blizzard gave VEs light skin customization options + blue eyes.

Void Elves are High Elves

[Ielenia]

Void Elves are High Elves

No, they're not. They're blood elves, not high elves. Learn the lore.

Then again, with that shitpost-y answer, you're clearly here just to seek attention, so I'm not engaging further.

[Ersula]

No, they're not. They're blood elves, not high elves. Learn the lore.

Then again, with that shitpost-y answer, you're clearly here just to seek attention, so I'm not engaging further.

That's not correct. Besides that Blood Elves are also high elves, only the acquisition quest for Void elves showed that that initial group of void elves were all former blood elves, but newly created void elves can be high elves that were in the horde or alliance, the in game rp is ambiguous. The most recent update for Telogrus rift shows them actively recruiting high elves of all varieties.

[Enrif]

That's not correct. Besides that Blood Elves are also high elves, only the acquisition quest for Void elves showed that that initial group of void elves were all former blood elves, but newly created void elves can be high elves that were in the horde or alliance, the in game rp is ambiguous. The most recent update for Telogrus rift shows them actively recruiting high elves of all varieties.

let's stop that silly debate.

ALL Void Elves are former Blood Elves as per the recruitment scenario, with ambiguity of high elves becoming void elves
ALL Blood Elves are former High Elves as per WC3
BUT, not all High Elves are either Blood Elves or Void Elves and when people talk about High Elves they mean those that never took the moniker of Blood Elf or turned into Void Elf

[Alanar]

That's not correct. Besides that Blood Elves are also high elves, only the acquisition quest for Void elves showed that that initial group of void elves were all former blood elves, but newly created void elves can be high elves that were in the horde or alliance, the in game rp is ambiguous. The most recent update for Telogrus rift shows them actively recruiting high elves of all varieties.

Yup that is true.

[Rhlor]

No, they're not. They're blood elves, not high elves. Learn the lore.

Then again, with that shitpost-y answer, you're clearly here just to seek attention, so I'm not engaging further.

The developers said it was a high elf customization for void elves and blood elves. If you use that customization, you're a high elf. There were high elf NPCs in Telogrus.

[Ielenia]

That's not correct.

I am correct. "High elf" and "blood elf" is more than just a name. It's also akin to political affiliation and represent different values. For example, high elves are the thalassian elves who refused to drain mana from living beings after the Sunwell got corrupted. That and other things put a very defined divide between the two factions.

I said this before, and I said this again: I staunchly believe that void elves were never created with the intention of giving high elves to the Alliance. Because, if the intention behind void elves was Blizzard's attempt to give Alliance high elves, then it was one of the worst thought-out decisions, if at thought through at all. Blizzard could've made Umbric and his team high elves and part of Dalaran's Silver Covenant magisters instead of blood elves from Silvermoon, but no.

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The developers said it was a high elf customization for void elves and blood elves. If you use that customization, you're a high elf.

Yeah, that doesn't work for me because it would force me to ignore actual lore within the game that tells me otherwise.

Also, it's like playing a hill dwarf (Ironforge) with wild dwarf (wildhammer) customization. Yeah, the looks are there, but you're not actually part of them.

[Alanar]

Yeah, that doesn't work for me because it would force me to ignore actual lore within the game that tells me otherwise.

Well, Rhol is right and it was acknowlegded like that by the devs, its an rp option, like Darkfallen or sand trolls. It should be known for everyone who cares for this, that high elves are in both factions and treated as a token race. I mean, to bad it doesnt work for you, but that is basically a "you" problem right now.

[Ersula]

ALL Void Elves are former Blood Elves as per the recruitment scenario, with ambiguity of high elves becoming void elves

But that's wrong. The Intro sequence is more telling than the acquisition scenario. In some instances they're the same but not the for velves. For example, your player Nightborne are not necessarily only the ones that helped fix Alleria's problematic visit to the sunwell. And the Lightforged created by players are actively recruiting new draenei while their acquisition quest only involves Argus natives. Intro canon /= Acquisition canon.

The Void Elf creation bio directly states some are former Horde and some are Alliance High Elves looking for a new source of magic. Plus the idea that void elves can only recruit by getting belves to defect is downright stupid.

I am correct. "High elf" and "blood elf" is more than just a name. It's also akin to political affiliation and represent different values. For example, high elves are the thalassian elves who refused to drain mana from living beings after the Sunwell got corrupted. That and other things put a very defined divide between the two factions.

If that's what you mean we all understand the colloquial difference between void elves and high elves. But that doesn't mean all created void elves are blood elves. In the latest Rift update they show them actively recruiting alliance high elves.

Plus if we're restricted by purely textual canon, the DH intro quest throws void elf demon hunters completely into question. By your definition they can't exist & can never exist. Also Darkfallen Void Elves. There weren't any of those in the acquisition quest, so how do they exist?

[Enrif]

But that's wrong. The Intro sequence is more telling than the acquisition scenario. In some instances they're the same but not the for velves. For example, your player Nightborne are not necessarily only the ones that helped fix Alleria's problematic visit to the sunwell. And the Lightforged created by players are actively recruiting new draenei while their acquisition quest only involves Argus natives. Intro canon /= Acquisition canon.

Show, don't tell. It was never shown that any high elf became a void elf, outside of Alleria absorbing L'ura. It was shown that blood elves became void elves.

[Rhlor]

I am correct. "High elf" and "blood elf" is more than just a name. It's also akin to political affiliation and represent different values. For example, high elves are the thalassian elves who refused to drain mana from living beings after the Sunwell got corrupted. That and other things put a very defined divide between the two factions.

I said this before, and I said this again: I staunchly believe that void elves were never created with the intention of giving high elves to the Alliance. Because, if the intention behind void elves was Blizzard's attempt to give Alliance high elves, then it was one of the worst thought-out decisions, if at thought through at all. Blizzard could've made Umbric and his team high elves and part of Dalaran's Silver Covenant magisters instead of blood elves from Silvermoon, but no.

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Yeah, that doesn't work for me because it would force me to ignore actual lore within the game that tells me otherwise.

Also, it's like playing a hill dwarf (Ironforge) with wild dwarf (wildhammer) customization. Yeah, the looks are there, but you're not actually part of them.

There were high elf npc in telogrus. high elf wayfarer. The lore of high elves as part of the void elf society of Telogrus exists.

By the way, something I like about Midnight is that it seems we finally have mana wyrn farms!! Are food! If the foolish high elves of Quel'lithien had understood that, today wouldn't be Wretched.

[Pyrophax]

I am correct. "High elf" and "blood elf" is more than just a name. It's also akin to political affiliation and represent different values. For example, high elves are the thalassian elves who refused to drain mana from living beings after the Sunwell got corrupted. That and other things put a very defined divide between the two factions.

I said this before, and I said this again: I staunchly believe that void elves were never created with the intention of giving high elves to the Alliance. Because, if the intention behind void elves was Blizzard's attempt to give Alliance high elves, then it was one of the worst thought-out decisions, if at thought through at all. Blizzard could've made Umbric and his team high elves and part of Dalaran's Silver Covenant magisters instead of blood elves from Silvermoon, but no.

Mate, Ion himself in interview said that we add void elfs to Alliance, but made them different to be recognizable from BEs. And if you wanna play "high elf fantasy with fair skinned rlf with fair hair - Blood Elves is your way to play". So yes - Void Elves ARE High Elves in Alliance. And chances that they will add another high elf race is very slim.

Playable high elves in Alliance are Void Elves. In Horde - Blood Elves.

[Ielenia]

In the latest Rift update they show them actively recruiting alliance high elves.

It doesn't change their origins, though: a group of blood elves.

Again: if the intention behind adding void elves way back in BfA was to give Alliance players access to high elves, then it was the worst implementation possible. It's like asking for meat, but you're served soy meat instead.

Plus if we're restricted by purely textual canon, the DH intro quest throws void elf demon hunters completely into question. By your definition they can't exist & can never exist.

Except we have an in-game quest line that shows demon hunters and void elves joining together to study the void.

Also Darkfallen Void Elves. There weren't any of those in the acquisition quest, so how do they exist?

Can you point me where in the lore it says "darkfallen void elves" exist? Because I can point at moments in the lore where we have night elves with black eyes, or void elves with light skin, etc.

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By the way, something I like about Midnight is that it seems we finally have mana wyrn farms!! Are food! If the foolish high elves of Quel'lithien had understood that, today wouldn't be Wretched.

You do realize that blood elf wretched are created by a thalassian elf overindulging in the consumption of arcane magic, right?

"The Wretched are blood elves or high elves that failed to control their innate addiction to magic, overindulging in arcane sources to the point of deformity and, often, insanity."

So, to make matters worse to you, if the rest of the blood elves followed the high elves in quitting 'cold turkey', then "today wouldn't be wretched".

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Mate, Ion himself in interview said that we add void elfs to Alliance,

And I still stand by what I said: if the void elves were Blizzard's attempt to give high elves to the Alliance players, then it was the worst thought-out attempt in WoW development history. "They want high elves! Alright, let's give them blood elves!"

[Pyrophax]

And I still stand by what I said: if the void elves were Blizzard's attempt to give high elves to the Alliance players, then it was the worst thought-out attempt in WoW development history. "They want high elves! Alright, let's give them blood elves!"

Its subjective. To High Elf fans - for sure.
For Horde fans too.
For average player - not so much.
Also - much overreacting. worst thought-out attempt in WoW development history.?
We have much variants for "worst" decisions. Starting bringing BEs to Horde and retconing Draenei to entire WoD story and SL.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Can you point me where in the lore it says "darkfallen void elves" exist? Because I can point at moments in the lore where we have night elves with black eyes, or void elves with light skin, etc.

It was during the TWW prelude quest where we se Verana who later joins the other void elfs to K’raesh.

[FossilFree]

Neither blood elves or void elves are high elves. Blood elves have been exposed to fel, even gaining green eyes. Void elves have been exposed to cosmic void, gaining purple eyes, skin, and hair. Both have been mutated by those energies, and are no longer genetically the same as high elves. They are biologically and culturally distinct.