Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Zuben]

Aethas has consistently been one of the absolute weakest leaders I've seen in the game, so Hathorel ought to have just led the Sunreavers away from the faction to do their own thing, under a new name. Or just return to Silvermoon as is, with Hathorel taking part in its politics, siding with Rommath's disdain for all things Alliance. No reason to follow Aethas anywhere, least of all to join hands with the Silver Covenant.

[Pyrophax]

the silver convent whole thing was not wanting to share a city with the horde and blood elfs and the grudge they held for being exiled even after that exile was lifted.

By rejoining silvermoon there both giving up the grudge and there main reason for existing as they share the city with the horde, there whole concept is gone while the sun reavers ideal of working together with other mages and elfs is doing better then ever.

The silver convent are the thematic losers here.

They are not. They could, you know, not come to Silvermoon to settle? Its just like crying"I HATE JEWS" and settle in Israel. Or "I hate Ukrainians!!!" and settle in Kyiv. If they that much hate blood elves - they can just make home at whatever place they find.

Sunreaver give up vengeance of mass killing civilains, being invaded in their homes and exile crimes, while SC "give up" their wish to kill blood elves, settling in their home. I don't see them as losers here, just weirdos. Remember, SC was agressors in Dalaran, not Sunreavers.
You probably confused SC from Dalaran and HEs from Silvermoon.

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Aethas has consistently been one of the absolute weakest leaders I've seen in the game, so Hathorel ought to have just led the Sunreavers away from the faction to do their own thing, under a new name. Or just return to Silvermoon as is, with Hathorel taking part in its politics, siding with Rommath's disdain for all things Alliance. No reason to follow Aethas anywhere, least of all to join hands with the Silver Covenant.

Wrong game mate. In world of Alliancecraft there can be no not-Alliance-simps. Only ones who love Alliance or Alliance-aligned faction survive. Aethas could be written good, they just don't care. Even at pre-patch questchain we deal with Vereesa, one of the biggest Horde-haters in WoW, not him. He just sits in the corner, crying about his toys from Dalaran.

[BaumanKing]

This is only your headcanon that you keep repeating again and again.

This is a much more realistic outcome than the belves and the velves becoming neutral, as someone suggested in this thread. If this really happens, I will admit I was wrong. But right now it feels like Blizzard is slowly phasing out the helves from the plot to focus solely on the thalassian elves, that are actually playable. Just look what they did with Rellian. He was one of the Sons of Lothar, but in Midnight he returned to Silvermoon, rejoined the Farstriders, and thus became a blood elf. Others will definitely follow his example, it's only a matter of time.

The Alliance is allowed to use blood elf architecture inside their house

But not outside. And why do you think that is?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They are not. They could, you know, not come to Silvermoon to settle? Its just like crying"I HATE JEWS" and settle in Israel. Or "I hate Ukrainians!!!" and settle in Kyiv. If they that much hate blood elves - they can just make home at whatever place they find.

Sunreaver give up vengeance of mass killing civilains, being invaded in their homes and exile crimes, while SC "give up" their wish to kill blood elves, settling in their home. I don't see them as losers here, just weirdos. Remember, SC was agressors in Dalaran, not Sunreavers.
You probably confused SC from Dalaran and HEs from Silvermoon.

Revenge or keeping the high elfs out of silvermoon were never a apart of the sunreavers themes, the former was a thing for a single patch right after the purge and a single NPC in BFA and the former has just never been a thing.

While Not working with the blood elfs/horde and not going back to silvermoon after there exile was rescinded was the core theme of the silver covenant, its literally the only reason they exist.

That theme is now gone and they are left with literally nothing else as they never expanded to be about any thing other then “horde bad”.

[Jaggler]

Revenge or keeping the high elfs out of silvermoon were never a apart of the sunreavers themes, the former was a thing for a single patch right after the purge and a single NPC in BFA and the former has just never been a thing.

While Not working with the blood elfs/horde and not going back to silvermoon after there exile was rescinded was the core theme of the silver covenant, its literally the only reason they exist.

That theme is now gone and they are left with literally nothing else as they never expanded to be about any thing other then “horde bad”.

This. The whole reason the Silver Covenant even exists is to keep the Horde out of Dalaran. Basically the Sunreavers were there first and the Silver Covenant formed as a reaction to their existance, unlike the Silver Covenant the Sunreavers didn't call for the expulsion of High Elves. Silvermoon wasn't even a consideration for the Silver Covenant. Now Dalaran is gone, their whole reason for existing is basically done.

I think it's insane that people believe Silvermoon will turn neutral to appease the miniscule fraction of the populace that the High Elves are there. I think a way more logical conclusion is that High Elves basically exist as neutral entity. Of course there will be hardliners, who can and will not accept the Horde, which is fine, but these High Elves also can't live in Silvermoon and have to take their fortunes else where. High Elves whose true allegiance is Silvermoon can stay there.

Rommath also says that the Ren'dorei can have an "embassy" in Silvermoon, which also doesn't hint at any instant re-integration into thalassian society, because that would make the very concept of an embassy redundant.

Just look what they did with Rellian

I think it would be interesting to hear his story. Considering he is a Farstrider in Midnight, which is part of the Horde military force, he must have at some point defected between TBC and Midnight.

Also Blizzard has gone very out of their way to portray Silvermoon as a place still loyal to the Horde, with Horde emblems in the city, on their ships, with even for the first time establishing a district for exclusive to one faction with no counterpart.

[elbleuet]

This is a much more realistic outcome than the belves and the velves becoming neutral, as someone suggested in this thread. If this really happens, I will admit I was wrong. But right now it feels like Blizzard is slowly phasing out the helves from the plot to focus solely on the thalassian elves, that are actually playable. Just look what they did with Rellian. He was one of the Sons of Lothar, but in Midnight he returned to Silvermoon, rejoined the Farstriders, and thus became a blood elf. Others will definitely follow his example, it's only a matter of time.



But not outside. And why do you think that is?

You don't seem to be aware that there have been Alliance blood elves in Telogrus Rift since TWW and that they are present in the beta right now. Alliance flagged blood elves are present in Stormwind

Rellian will remain an Alliance elf until it's proven he switched sides, because right now, you can be a blood elf and be part of the Alliance

[Jaggler]

You don't seem to be aware that there have been Alliance blood elves in Telogrus Rift since TWW and that they are present in the beta right now. Alliance flagged blood elves are present in Stormwind

Rellian will remain an Alliance elf until it's proven he switched sides, because right now, you can be a blood elf and be part of the Alliance

Rellian is part of the Farstriders as of now on beta which literally makes him part of the Horde military.

[elbleuet]

Rellian is part of the Farstriders as of now on beta which literally makes him part of the Horde military.

Absolutely not. That means that the farstrider are kind of neutral now

Auric is also a farstrider, fyi

[BaumanKing]

Rellian is part of the Farstriders as of now on beta which literally makes him part of the Horde military.

Tbf the Silver Hand was also a strictly Alliance organization, which Blizzard made neutral in Legion. And it remains neutral to this day, as shown in the recent novel Blood Ties. Therefore, it's entirely possible that Rellian didn't switch sides, but rather that the Farstriders simply became a neutral faction. It's crazy, but something Blizzard would definitely do.

[Jaggler]

Tbf the Silver Hand was also a strictly Alliance organization, which Blizzard made neutral in Legion. And it remains neutral to this day, as shown in the recent novel Blood Ties. Therefore, it's entirely possible that Rellian didn't switch sides, but rather that the Farstriders simply became a neutral faction. It's crazy, but something Blizzard would definitely do.

It would be kinda weird if they just drop neutral Farstriders, the Silver Hand at least had some reason to become neutral (for one expansion).

Maybe you also have to distinguish between Farstriders as the current organization and Farstriders in the historic context.

[Enrif]

It would be kinda weird if they just drop neutral Farstriders, the Silver Hand at least had some reason to become neutral (for one expansion).

Maybe you also have to distinguish between Farstriders as the current organization and Farstriders in the historic context.

Eh, just today i made a LEMIX hunter, and who are the very first two to join the unseen path? Veressa who pledges the Silver Covenant, and Halduron who pledges the Farstriders. So, there is precedence of the farstriders going beyond horde or even silvermoon political lines, like the Silver Hand included the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights.

Also, it seems Halduron is important in the unification of the elves as he was seen on the beta in bel'ameth. And then there is this NPC added in the most current beta update:
Hurried Courier <Messenger of the United Elves>


Who seems to be a farstrider by the looks of his outfit.

And, honestly, the farstriders have the biggest connection to the high elves. The windrunner sisters where high up in the farstriders, and two of them are with the alliance. A lot of the high elves stranded in outland were farstriders, rather then the magisters. Also the high elven lodges are/were first farstrider lodges.

So, i wouldn't be surprised to see the farstriders as a more neutral organization, at least concerning the faction affiliation of its members, as long as they protect quel'thalas.

[Ardenaso]

They are not. They could, you know, not come to Silvermoon to settle? Its just like crying"I HATE JEWS" and settle in Israel. Or "I hate Ukrainians!!!" and settle in Kyiv. If they that much hate blood elves - they can just make home at whatever place they find.

I kinda wanted the Alliance High Elves, Void Elves, and the Shen'dralar to settle in Eldrethalas and restore it

[TheProphetLord]

Eh, just today i made a LEMIX hunter, and who are the very first two to join the unseen path? Veressa who pledges the Silver Covenant, and Halduron who pledges the Farstriders. So, there is precedence of the farstriders going beyond horde or even silvermoon political lines, like the Silver Hand included the Sunwalkers and Blood Knights.

Also, it seems Halduron is important in the unification of the elves as he was seen on the beta in bel'ameth. And then there is this NPC added in the most current beta update:
Hurried Courier <Messenger of the United Elves>


Who seems to be a farstrider by the looks of his outfit.

And, honestly, the farstriders have the biggest connection to the high elves. The windrunner sisters where high up in the farstriders, and two of them are with the alliance. A lot of the high elves stranded in outland were farstriders, rather then the magisters. Also the high elven lodges are/were first farstrider lodges.

So, i wouldn't be surprised to see the farstriders as a more neutral organization, at least concerning the faction affiliation of its members, as long as they protect quel'thalas.

We've seen the Farstriders call in the Silver Covenant before, in Cataclysm Hauldron calls them in to help with the rising Amani threat over Lor'themar's wishes. Of the Silvermoon military they are the ones that would be most open to working with Alliance aligned elves.

The magisters would be the ones most opposed because Rommath.

I just hope we see some proper love for the High Elves and after launch we get some more datamining.

[Alanar]

Aethas has consistently been one of the absolute weakest leaders I've seen in the game, so Hathorel ought to have just led the Sunreavers away from the faction to do their own thing, under a new name. Or just return to Silvermoon as is, with Hathorel taking part in its politics, siding with Rommath's disdain for all things Alliance. No reason to follow Aethas anywhere, least of all to join hands with the Silver Covenant.

True, hes been a weakling since for ever. But as of Aethas and the silver covenant and especially Jaina. I think he and Jaina sorta fixed their relation. I dont think its all that shocking.

[Jaggler]

We've seen the Farstriders call in the Silver Covenant before, in Cataclysm Hauldron calls them in to help with the rising Amani threat over Lor'themar's wishes. Of the Silvermoon military they are the ones that would be most open to working with Alliance aligned elves.

The magisters would be the ones most opposed because Rommath.

I just hope we see some proper love for the High Elves and after launch we get some more datamining.

High Elves are in a kinda weird position, because their whole character, everything that differntiates them from Blood Elves at this point is "Horde bad". Them going more or less neutral to rejoin Silvermoon kinda makes sense. And those who still want to hold on to Horde bad, just can continue to hang out in Stormwind etc. It's basically a Win-Win

[elbleuet]

It would be kinda weird if they just drop neutral Farstriders, the Silver Hand at least had some reason to become neutral (for one expansion).

Maybe you also have to distinguish between Farstriders as the current organization and Farstriders in the historic context.

Neutral Farstriders are a logical choice.

Silvermoon is threatened with destruction.

Who comes to help?

The Alliance: the void elves, the high elves, the night elves, the Arathi (who are more Alliance than Horde, you’ll concede that), and the nightborne.

The Horde is completely absent.

So the Farstriders have every reason to be friendly toward the Alliance.

[Pyrophax]

Neutral Farstriders are a logical choice.

Silvermoon is threatened with destruction.

Who comes to help?

The Alliance: the void elves, the high elves, the night elves, the Arathi (who are more Alliance than Horde, you’ll concede that), and the nightborne.

The Horde is completely absent.

So the Farstriders have every reason to be friendly toward the Alliance.

How nicely you put Nightborne into the Alliance mate. And blood elves are here too. You know, core Horde race. With Farstriders, core Horde military.

Also if we count just named NPCs - Prelate Rata is here. Tauren priests and paladins too.

Sunwell summon only Light-wielders, who happens to be mostly at Alliance side. There is no Alliance forces as faction, as there is no Horde forces. Only Light users and bunch of elven traitors from blue team.

[elbleuet]

How nicely you put Nightborne into the Alliance mate. And blood elves are here too. You know, core Horde race. With Farstriders, core Horde military.

Also if we count just named NPCs - Prelate Rata is here. Tauren priests and paladins too.

Sunwell summon only Light-wielders, who happens to be mostly at Alliance side. There is no Alliance forces as faction, as there is no Horde forces. Only Light users and bunch of elven traitors from blue team.

The nightborne are coming not because of the Horde, but because they have close ties with the blood elves.

The Horde, as an organization, is notably absent, even though one of its member factions is under attack.

And yes, the Alliance is present as a faction, represented by Turalyon, who happens to be the High Commander of the Alliance forces.

Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa, all Alliance members, are actively defending QT.

The farstriders have no reason to not be friendly with the Alliance.

[BaumanKing]

Also if we count just named NPCs - Prelate Rata is here. Tauren priests and paladins too.

And you know who rallies and leads them all? The man who holds the title of Lord Commander of the Alliance. Why would they follow him is beyond me, but that's how it's portrayed in the game.

[Pyrophax]

The nightborne are coming not because of the Horde, but because they have close ties with the blood elves.

The Horde, as an organization, is notably absent, even though one of its member factions is under attack.

And yes, the Alliance is present as a faction, represented by Turalyon, who happens to be the High Commander of the Alliance forces.

Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa, all Alliance members, are actively defending QT.

The farstriders have no reason to not be friendly with the Alliance.

So NPCs are represent factions?
So you admit that SL->TWW was represented much more Alliance then Horde? Mostly TWW offcourse.
And Midnight, with core action figures with Turalyon, Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa. Not Horde characters too? So for 4 expansion in a row we deal only with Alliance heavy stories? With close to none Horde involvement?

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And you know who rallies and leads them all? The man who holds the title of Lord Commander of the Alliance. Why would they follow him is beyond me, but that's how it's portrayed in the game.

Red flag to any Horde leading character - that is a reason. Even Thrall, most Alliance-loved Horde character was cutted to show more Anduin and Alleria.