Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Pyrophax]

The nightborne are coming not because of the Horde, but because they have close ties with the blood elves.

The Horde, as an organization, is notably absent, even though one of its member factions is under attack.

And yes, the Alliance is present as a faction, represented by Turalyon, who happens to be the High Commander of the Alliance forces.

Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa, all Alliance members, are actively defending QT.

The farstriders have no reason to not be friendly with the Alliance.

So NPCs are represent factions?
So you admit that SL->TWW was represented much more Alliance then Horde? Mostly TWW offcourse.
And Midnight, with core action figures with Turalyon, Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa. Not Horde characters too? So for 4 expansion in a row we deal only with Alliance heavy stories? With close to none Horde involvement?

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And you know who rallies and leads them all? The man who holds the title of Lord Commander of the Alliance. Why would they follow him is beyond me, but that's how it's portrayed in the game.

Red flag to any Horde leading character - that is a reason. Even Thrall, most Alliance-loved Horde character was cutted to show more Anduin and Alleria.

[Alanar]

And somehow some still doubt that there is way more alliance forces and characters focus. Silvermoon/horde is purely backround

And now we even alliance he fans are now saying it here lol. Good stuff.

[elbleuet]

So NPCs are represent factions?
So you admit that SL->TWW was represented much more Alliance then Horde? Mostly TWW offcourse.
And Midnight, with core action figures with Turalyon, Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa. Not Horde characters too? So for 4 expansion in a row we deal only with Alliance heavy stories? With close to none Horde involvement?

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Red flag to any Horde leading character - that is a reason. Even Thrall, most Alliance-loved Horde character was cutted to show more Anduin and Alleria.

I never denied it.
The War Within was largely Alliance-focused, but I think Shadowlands was much more balanced. That said, yes, the Alliance was favored again this time with Jaina, Tyrande and Anduin.

Thrall and Baine were absolutely useless. Their purpose was just to stand there as Horde representatives, with no real story behind them.

[BaumanKing]

And Midnight, with core action figures with Turalyon, Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa

Eh, I'd say Liadrin plays a more significant role in the plot than Turalyon. He appears only in the prologue, and half of the Eversong questline, then disappears until the very end of the Voidstorm campaign, after which he disappears from the plot once again. Liadrin, on the other hand, plays a significant role in the prologue, the Amani questline, and later leads the elven unification with Arator. Not to mention that she's essentially the face of Midnight promotional campaign.

Fortunately, Alleria is limited to just one zone this time around. She leads the Voidstorm questline with her son, while the Horde character, Halduron, is actively involved with Harandar. Vereesa only appears in the final campaign and presumably has as much screen time as Aethas and other evlen leaders.

[Mace]

High elves and void elves are allowed to go back to Silvermoon, and they're both Alliance races.

Silvermoon is just turning neutral at this point while slightly favoring the Horde.

Welcome to Horde Dalaran.

I don't get some of these blood elf fans, so die hard - i mean, it's the end of the world that Silvermoon is shared - yet completely denying or ignoring

1. Silvermoon was Alliance and then went horde - so now being neutral (big deal)
2. Dalaran - Alliance, destroyed, neutral
3. Shattrath - Draenei city, Alliance race, but neutral
4. Theramore - Alliance, destroyed
5. Suramar - night elf empire city, Alliance race, but the sub-race and Nightold go horde
6. Darnassus - Alliance, destroyed


Constant one way traffic from Alliance to horde or destroyed - but woe betide one city, and one that was oirginally in the Alilance goes neutral - omg! Suramar and Silvermoon ofc should be neutral. horde only is pure favoritsm, especially for suramar, that is the original home city of the Darnassian faction and its heroes we all loved, not to mention those who stayed behind instead of fight Azshara get saved and helped a lot more by their ni ght elf kin. Add to that the alliance race majority Kirin'tor, the night elf produced Arcan'dor salvation for the people - and that both faction elves fought for it, it shoudl at hte very least be neutral and welcoming of it's night elven heroes onthe Alliance. EVen being good friends with the blood lves, the Nightborne wer portrayed as being in awe and very proud of their kadlorei roots and culture - they woudl and shoudl hodl the Darnassians dear to them. A neutral Suramar should not surprise anyone, and only horde die hard blood elf fnas would object, you'd think they were been denied access to the city.

such die hards, can't stand the thought of others getting in, even being fully aware that ngiht elves and high/void elves have every right to be in Suramar and Silvermoon, and the Alliance has earned a place in both cities. In Suramar due to the Kirin'tor and Darnasisan help, and in Silvermoon due to the help in Midnight. But eveni f you ignore the Alliance, Suramar should be open to the night elves and Silvermoon to the void elves.

This is only your headcanon that you keep repeating again and again.

The Alliance is allowed to use blood elf architecture inside their house, so that means that the blood elves are Alliance ?

Blood elves are 100% Horde. Only if they choose to join the void elves do they become Alliance.. they no longer call themselves

High elves and void elves are allowed to go back to Silvermoon, and they're both Alliance races.

i don't get it. Blood elves were an alliance race, and high elves remained there. Silvermoon was an alliance city too - what is the problem or suprrise that high elves would one day returnand isn't it better that both Blood leves and void elves can plaly as high elves and regard themselvs as high elves?

That the high elf identity begins to transcent the factions, so you can have high elf available in both? I don't get hte problem - sure as a blood elf, the high elf will just cal lhimself a blood elf, and on the Alliance he can refer to hismelf as a high elf - nothing new, same race, same group. i don't get it
Bottom line is we have Silvermoon, we have high/blood lves, void leves, etc we know these elves are basically alliance on horde and alliance - well, it would be nice if high elf was a faction and playable as high elves, but then given that High elf is already available in blood elves and void elves - well, wouldn't it be just as impactful to instead make it quite lcear in the quests nad find a way that your character can instead be called a high elf instead of a void elf or blood elf? and gain maybe a a high elf swuite of racials you can glyph to your void elf or blood elf?

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So NPCs are represent factions?
So you admit that SL->TWW was represented much more Alliance then Horde? Mostly TWW offcourse.
And Midnight, with core action figures with Turalyon, Alleria, Umbric, Arator and Vereesa. Not Horde characters too? So for 4 expansion in a row we deal only with Alliance heavy stories? With close to none Horde involvement?

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Red flag to any Horde leading character - that is a reason. Even Thrall, most Alliance-loved Horde character was cutted to show more Anduin and Alleria.

SL was about Sylvanas - sure Anduin, Tyrande - are based on alliance races, while Bolivar and Sylvanas are based on horde races , but it's Sylvanas' story.

TWW - throughout wow, blizzard keep using human characters for the vast majority of story telling .. only Thrall, Sylvanas and in TWW, Alleria, are the non-human characters they have ever used.. and those characters are almost never on one faction only but on both and all.

[Lieutenant Commander]

I don't get some of these blood elf fans, so die hard

Because for 20 years, it was Alliance stuff that was made neutral for everyone to enjoy while Horde got to keep theirs. This is their first time so they are a bit cranky.

[Pyrophax]

Because for 20 years, it was Alliance stuff that was made neutral for everyone to enjoy while Horde got to keep theirs. This is their first time so they are a bit cranky.

Enjoy is a strong word, I prefer "forced to use bc devs care 0 shit".
I prefer Horde cities, but since WotLK we are short in that matter.

[TheProphetLord]

Enjoy is a strong word, I prefer "forced to use bc devs care 0 shit".
I prefer Horde cities, but since WotLK we are short in that matter.

It'd just be nice to see some faction identity. Not actively fighting each other doesn't mean that factions should get on.

I want High Elves as a playable race, always have, not because I want Alliance Blood Elves, but I thought their culture and how after the disaster of the Third War they had become distinctive from the Blood Elves, even more so after they joined the Horde.

Neutral races (with the exception of the Pandaren in my view) haven't caught the attention of the players because there is no difference between a Horde Dracthyr/Earthen/Haranir than an Alliance Dracthyr/Earthen/Haranir.

Silvermoon should have remained a Horde city and there might be specific story quests where Alliance players are given access to the city with a debuff or something and then Silverwing Glade or another smaller location is the Alliance hub for the expansion.

[Pyrophax]

SL was about Sylvanas - sure Anduin, Tyrande - are based on alliance races, while Bolivar and Sylvanas are based on horde races , but it's Sylvanas' story.

TWW - throughout wow, blizzard keep using human characters for the vast majority of story telling .. only Thrall, Sylvanas and in TWW, Alleria, are the non-human characters they have ever used.. and those characters are almost never on one faction only but on both and all.

Bolvar is Alliance ex-regent mate, he still carry its symbol (well, Lordaeron symbol actually, but most of the fans can't see difference) on torn cloak. Sylvanas was like 4 appearances - one of it was raid boss. Tyrande, Shandriss, Jaina and Anduin is far more prominent. We actually come to Maw to save Anduin as Thrall and Baine was just afterthought. Sylvanas gone to Maw to save NE souls, Ardenweald was about Night Elves. One thing "Horde" was - Draka (she never was part of the Horde btw), and even then we have Morgraine to offset her as "Alliance" conterpart.

TWW - dwarves, humans, void elves, Alleria, Anduin, Dargan, Magni, Brann. Find me one Horde in here.

Or DF, with Night Elves/black dragonflight/Night Elves/Chromie/Night Elves/weird lizard/Night Elves. And 1 tauren.

[Joshuaj]

This is only your headcanon that you keep repeating again and again.

The Alliance is allowed to use blood elf architecture inside their house, so that means that the blood elves are Alliance ? wow

High elves and void elves are allowed to go back to Silvermoon, and they're both Alliance races.

Silvermoon is just turning neutral at this point while slightly favoring the Horde.

Welcome to Horde Dalaran.

"Slightly favoring the Horde"

And almost all of the TBC part of Silvermoon is Horde restricted (Murder Row only isn't cause it's important to the overall narrative of Midnight)...

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Off topic, but am I the only one who thinks the Pre-WC3 Blue colors would not work well with Silvermoon? Cause I adore the Red, Gold, Green (Garden + Farstrider stuff), Purple (Namely displayed in some Silvermoon buildings), and Blue/Teal vibes of current Silvermoon. The colors just vibe so much more imo.

[Mace]

Because for 20 years, it was Alliance stuff that was made neutral for everyone to enjoy while Horde got to keep theirs. This is their first time so they are a bit cranky.

I notice they never acknowledge that, despite how much you list, they constantly talk about being unique and not being the same -- but only when Alliance requests are related to blood elves or elven things - even though those things all came from the Alliance first and are still on them. What, they didn't care that the horde was getting the "same" stuff on the Alliance, but all of a sudden care that the Alliance might get high elves, or night elven civilization? - you can't have that because it will make night elves no different from blood elves? wth? Having a night elf civilization city like SUramar, will all of a sudden mean the night based, star based, Elune worshipping , kaldorei empire, with a forest loving element and a fel fighting element will all of a sudden be too similar to blood elves.

Always an excuse - never once questioning - alliance fans only seem to be interested in well, alliance races and assets that were on the alliance or at lest the alliance had access to but no more..

Yet they're perfectly fine with sharing Shattrath, Dalaran etc, have no qualms with alliance Silvermoon being destroyed or Stormwind (in WC1), Alliance Dalaran, Theramore , Darnassus. Sure, such a double standard.

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Bolvar is Alliance ex-regent mate, he still carry its symbol (well, Lordaeron symbol actually, but most of the fans can't see difference) on torn cloak.

Sigh.. Sylvanas is ex-alliance - ranger-general of Silvermoon - but she is now undead, adn therefore based on a horde raec - even though once allinace. All blood elves were once Allinace, all Undead were onceAllinace. Bolvar is undead, and because he is undead he is based of a horde raec, despite his former position. He isn't alliance.

Sylvanas was like 4 appearances - one of it was raid boss. Tyrande, Shandriss, Jaina and Anduin is far more prominent. We actually come to Maw to save Anduin as Thrall and Baine was just afterthought. Sylvanas gone to Maw to save NE souls, Ardenweald was about Night Elves. One thing "Horde" was - Draka (she never was part of the Horde btw), and even then we have Morgraine to offset her as "Alliance" conterpart.

TWW - dwarves, humans, void elves, Alleria, Anduin, Dargan, Magni, Brann. Find me one Horde in here.

Or DF, with Night Elves/black dragonflight/Night Elves/Chromie/Night Elves/weird lizard/Night Elves. And 1 tauren.

Shandris -? Wtf is Shandris? People don't even know her - we findo ut more about her in the WotA trilogy than we do in wow until the Naz'jatar quest, in8.2, not in SL - she doens't show up in SL at all - and before that, welol, you'd have had to be on the lalianec doing thier remote quests in FEathermoon stronghold to get something from her - very low key. Even Farondis has more screen time than Shandris Feathermoon - now leader of hte night elves /rolleyes blizz

Tyrande? lol. Tyrande had the butt end of the quests in Arden Weald 95% of Ardenweald has nothing otd o with her, then there is a small quest chain, and a breadcrumb.. like a side story they keep telign inthe background - the fact that you are so aware of Tyrande's tiny role jus tshows that blizzard got it completely wrong by making her invovlements so small. Players latched onto the tinyrole, and talked about it FAR more than tney did about many other charcetrs that had far bigger roles - because this meant more to them than the vast majority.
But sylvnaas - sylvanas was part of hte main plot through and through, to think Tyrande was even close to Sylvanas or even had ore attention, with the sylvanas fan boys writing the story .. you're having a laugh.. Welll,t hey're lal gone now, we might see stronger roles for Tyrane, though I doub t it as she has retired from being Night elf leader, but is still High priestess of elune, so hopefully we'd actually see her in a priestly capacitiy, time to restore the Cathedral of her goddess, and train the Nightborne, Worgen and were possible even void elf priests who want to understand Elune and the incredible void powers... hoefuly we'lls ee a hint of her doing priest stuff.

TheOrder of Elune - while night elf traditionally like the Cenarion circle and illidari - doesn't need to be limited to night elves. I'd love to see more nightborne, Worgen, Harnair and void elves join it.

DF - only had night elves in the plot for 10.2 - cos it ealt with Amirdrassil - the Alliance and horde were run by expedition, the dwarf and the blood elf, and the blood elf got FAR more screen time than the dwarf. FAR more.

Chromie, Wrathi aren't alliance, nor is Ebonhorn horde - maybe that is what makes you think allinace, becuase they use alliance characters. They're not stupid, can you bleive if all the NPCs were orcs, trolls and tauren - they'd disconnect with the populace who'd find it harder to relate to them. Why do you think humans aare used FAR MOER than any allinace race or horde for that matter - relatability. Even though players don't play humans as much, they are the go to .. everyone won't have problems with, because we are all human, even though they're alliance in a living state. They are horde in an undead state though.

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Off topic, but am I the only one who thinks the Pre-WC3 Blue colors would not work well with Silvermoon? Cause I adore the Red, Gold, Green (Garden + Farstrider stuff), Purple (Namely displayed in some Silvermoon buildings), and Blue/Teal vibes of current Silvermoon. The colors just vibe so much more imo.

totally agere with you, the red is so iconic now, I coudln't think of Silvermoon being any other colour - though the colour doesn't match the name at all, still it's gorgeous. Long may it stay.

[Tourmaline]

You don't seem to be aware that there have been Alliance blood elves in Telogrus Rift since TWW and that they are present in the beta right now. Alliance flagged blood elves are present in Stormwind

Where in Silvermoon are you seeing Alliance Blood Elves? I didn't see them when I checked on the Beta.

On Telogrus there are some Silvermoon Scholars talking about being able to study the Void without being exiled, to me that implies they haven't switched allegiances .Studying the Void and becoming a Void Elf aren't the same thing, you can do one without the other. There are other non Void Elves training to use the void, whether they are High Elves, or Blood Elves is not indicated.

[Alanar]

whether they are High Elves, or Blood Elves is not indicated.

Nor is it really relevant for most of us. They become void elves eventually. High elves are in both factions, blood elves can be there as well and become void elves, it was a mix of both as shown in game. Nothing new here. Or its jjst part of that new faction the avenger.. I mean united elves. One thing, blood elves remain horde. That has nothing to do with tye above. Blizzard made it difficult for themselves here.

We also have blood elves with blue eyes, but also high elves. Fell exposure can become less and turn green to blue. So we have all sort of colors and flavors now, so maybe that it why.

[Rhlor]

Nor is it really relevant for most of us. They become void elves eventually. High elves are in both factions, blood elves can be there as well and become void elves, it was a mix of both as shown in game. Nothing new here. Or its jjst part of that new faction the avenger.. I mean united elves. One thing, blood elves remain horde. That has nothing to do with tye above. Blizzard made it difficult for themselves here.

We also have blood elves with blue eyes, but also high elves. Fell exposure can become less and turn green to blue. So we have all sort of colors and flavors now, so maybe that it why.

It's perfectly logical that Void Elves have green eyes; there are already Void Elve Demon Hunters with green eyes. What should maintain the difference is in the light customizations. There should be tattoos, hairstyles, and skin with light customizations.

[Alanar]

It's perfectly logical that Void Elves have green eyes; there are already Void Elve Demon Hunters with green eyes. What should maintain the difference is in the light customizations. There should be tattoos, hairstyles, and skin with light customizations.

I am not sure man...they become void elves during that. High elf costumization is just that, but green still indicate you are currently a blood elf. That is just not what you are playing when clicking void elf.

Uh, you can link it to demon hunters now, but thats not fair, as these eyes are full on fell and are linked to that class, this is also indicated fueled with fell. Blood elves had exposure, which is just a hue really and can wear off. So technically its not true. But ye.. I could see more people say this.

I agree we should main differences, I think that is not hard to do, but this isnt helping blood elves, who havent gotten anything compared to void elves, sharing isnt perse in good spirit with the blood elves, as there barely is anything left. That is not good. Both have their own styles. Its more about maintaining their own uniqueness and their own selling point, then blantly copy paste. But So far its just been that sadly.

[elbleuet]

Where in Silvermoon are you seeing Alliance Blood Elves? I didn't see them when I checked on the Beta.

On Telogrus there are some Silvermoon Scholars talking about being able to study the Void without being exiled, to me that implies they haven't switched allegiances .Studying the Void and becoming a Void Elf aren't the same thing, you can do one without the other. There are other non Void Elves training to use the void, whether they are High Elves, or Blood Elves is not indicated.

2 named Alliance blood elves on Telogrus Rifht. They say the blood elves betrayed the Alliance by joining the Horde.

In Midnight, Alliance-flagged blood elves are running in the Portal Room, taking the portal to Silvermoon or coming out of it.

[Pyrophax]

2 named Alliance blood elves on Telogrus Rifht. They say the blood elves betrayed the Alliance by joining the Horde.

In Midnight, Alliance-flagged blood elves are running in the Portal Room, taking the portal to Silvermoon or coming out of it.

Old thing. Alliance betray elves first, so according to forum posters - its doesn't count.

[Enrif]

Old thing. Alliance betray elves first, so according to forum posters - its doesn't count.

Technically, the elves betrayed the alliance first, after the second war. But keep posting wrong statements, this keeps this thread from dying.

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2 named Alliance blood elves on Telogrus Rifht. They say the blood elves betrayed the Alliance by joining the Horde.

In Midnight, Alliance-flagged blood elves are running in the Portal Room, taking the portal to Silvermoon or coming out of it.

Let's also not forget that one of the most prominent blood elves, who even is the poster girl for the rogue class in hearthstone has ties to the alliance, Valeera Sanguinar.

Blood Elves are one of several races in the horde, that could easily work with the alliance without much change. The others are Tauren, Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne through their old connections to the night elves, and goblins, because goblins are technically neutral anyway.

[Alanar]

Let's also not forget that one of the most prominent blood elves, who even is the poster girl for the rogue class in hearthstone has ties to the alliance, Valeera Sanguinar.

Blood Elves are one of several races in the horde, that could easily work with the alliance without much change. The others are Tauren, Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne through their old connections to the night elves, and goblins, because goblins are technically neutral anyway.

Next to the fact that Veleera is a special character with a history with Varian, that doesnt mean much for the blood elves in general.

As of Blood elves as a nation and or race is working with everyone at this point because of the setting. So ofc they are working with people right now.

[Enrif]

Next to the fact that Veleera is a special character with a history with Varian, that doesnt mean much for the blood elves in general.

As of Blood elves as a nation and or race is working with everyone at this point because of the setting. So ofc they are working with people right now.

oh, i can spin thus further!

Calia is among the leaders of the forsaken, bridging the gap between forsaken and humans. And also Thrall is once more very often seen with Jaina, bridging the gap between orcs and humans, not to mention Eitrigg and the Sons of Lothar. At this point the only horde races that have no good relations to the alliance in any way, are the trolls. And i guess the vulpera