Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Sorrior]

So, if Ion had said High Elves are coming they would have read the feedback. If the answer was as it is now, he wouldn’t have read the feedback.

......you really are only proving my point here

No if he had said something like

"We have read the feedback about high elves and various ideas. And i have to admit my earlier argument had some loopholes. But we don't plan to put high elves into the game because it doesn't fir our vision for the game. Not saying it will never happen but as of roght now and the forseeable future it is off the table"

Something diplomstic acknowledging the suggestions and still saying no while admitting his statement have some crotical flaws..hell he never even adressed and even REPEATED the issue of population wtfh how is that ok?

It is NOW a blatant lie given the backstory of VE. Everything he said has an in game counter. And by that i mean things they have done.

[corebit]

No if he had said something like

"We have read the feedback about high elves and various ideas. And i have to admit my earlier argument had some loopholes. But we don't plan to put high elves into the game because it doesn't fir our vision for the game. Not saying it will never happen but as of roght now and the forseeable future it is off the table"

Something diplomstic acknowledging the suggestions and still saying no while admitting his statement have some crotical flaws..hell he never even adressed and even REPEATED the issue of population wtfh how is that ok?

It is NOW a blatant lie given the backstory of VE. Everything he said has an in game counter. And by that i mean things they have done.

Lol no, you're lying to yourself if you think this version makes an iota of difference. If anything, saying he was wrong would only motivate you further to deny his statements.

And Ion was being plenty diplomatic and respectful, you just chose to be offended by his words.

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So, if Ion had said High Elves are coming they would have read the feedback. If the answer was as it is now, he wouldn’t have read the feedback.

......you really are only proving my point here

You don't have to be obtuse on purpose. It's not a matter of "yes" or "no", it's a matter of why and Ion's response clearly indicates that he has never read anything about the debate. It's pretty obvious that someone claiming that people want majestic elves with blue eyes in Alliance because they saw Alleria in Legion has never read any of the actual requests and arguments.

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Why would you even react, when you clearly see /s.. All this rant was supposed to mirror those, who cant accept artistic freedom and cant accept, that even high elven appearance could be adjusted without retcons.

[Sorrior]

Lol no, you're lying to yourself if you think this version makes an iota of difference. If anything, saying he was wrong would only motivate you further to deny his statements.

And Ion was being plenty diplomatic and respectful, you just chose to be offended by his words.

You clearly know nothing of why people want high elves or why we are upset then if you think some humility would upset people like they are.

[corebit]

You clearly know nothing of why people want high elves or why we are upset then if you think some humility would upset people like they are.

You would be upset with any answer that wasn't a "yes", so let's stop pretending a different version of "no" would have satisfied the HE camp. Maybe YOU personally could accept it, but definitely not others.

[FlubberPuddy]

In all other cases, the story and the model are inseparable. There is visual consistency among all playable members of the same groups. Kul'tirans have been culturally independent for ages, and the playable models are just a subset of the Kul'tirans in the game. The Kul'tiran models that are not playable for the Alliance, are already playable in the form of Stormwind humans, so there is no need for overlap. The Dark Iron model updates are just exaggerations to an already existing difference. They were already a distinct group, so there is no contradiction.

The high elves and the Blood Elves are exactly the same group of elves though. The story describes a direct relationship between the appearances of the two races. They are intended to be exactly the same apart from eye color. If they don't appear that way, it lowers the visual fidelity of the game. Those kinds of inconsistencies are jarring to players, because they represent a gameplay difference in a space that for the entire history of WoW has been reserved exclusively for illustrating the lore and story of a race.

I found a third race which I think better explains my point. Worgen. The way Worgen looked were incredibly different from their playable versions. Then they changed retroactively all the existing Worgen models in game, except maybe 1 or 2 npcs here and there did they not? And it wasn't something that took "ages of being culturally independent." Worgen still kept their "oh these are Werewolves" look but it was represented in an entirely different and unique manner than their former existing counterparts.

This is the route High Elves can take. They're not "Majestic Elves" which is what @Traycor was trying to explain. The game even plays this up with Elisande's comment. Their intermingling with "lesser races" (obviously humans). So we have differing themes already. They just have to be thought up in a way visually to represent that.

And the way Worgens got re-done allows High Elves the same potential.

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Ah, got ya, my bad.

A little off topic, but not too far off. Bellular from youtube also weighed in on HE's in a video he put up today. Though it only consists of the first handful of seconds.

Bellular's been against HEs forever.



His viewpoint is nothing new

[Sorrior]

You would be upset with any answer that wasn't a "yes", so let's stop pretending a different version of "no" would have satisfied the HE camp. Maybe YOU personally could accept it, but definitely not others.

First you act like it is life or death

Second i am beginning to wonder if you would have been satisfied by anything but what you got and thus think the same of thise for HE

Third look at the complaints. It is almost purely how he worded it and how he clearly ignored all feedback. Not "he saud no he" but "did he even read the stuff? These are the EXACT same arguments that got shown to be incorrect or habe such massive flaws the death star could fly through the holes left behind"

Not everythings a coded message

[Sorrior]

Did you salty bois already rolled a blood elf?

Had BE alts for years now. A few i have capped some close some low level..still glad i have my blood knight weapon from before they removed them.

Doesn't mean HE wouldn't be nice too

[Goldielocks]

You don't have to be obtuse on purpose. It's not a matter of "yes" or "no", it's a matter of why and Ion's response clearly indicates that he has never read anything about the debate. It's pretty obvious that someone claiming that people want majestic elves with blue eyes in Alliance because they saw Alleria in Legion has never read any of the actual requests and arguments.

Or he just gave the answer regardless and this isn’t proof at all. Your argument is pretty meaningless.

[Sorrior]

He worded it funny

I liked it

I am a customer

So its fine

If you salty because a dev made a sassy joke about you not able to play pechy elves im afraid you need to reconsider your life choices

Annnd yeo you don't get it abd i doubt you can. This goes beyond a language disconnect straight into total differenve if workd view with likely no way to bridge it territory..that or trolling but i will assume you are just incapable of understanding what i am saying thus why you keep inserting things you think i am saying.

[Zorish]

First you act like it is life or death

Second i am beginning to wonder if you would have been satisfied by anything but what you got and thus think the same of thise for HE

Third look at the complaints. It is almost purely how he worded it and how he clearly ignored all feedback. Not "he saud no he" but "did he even read the stuff? These are the EXACT same arguments that got shown to be incorrect or habe such massive flaws the death star could fly through the holes left behind"

Not everythings a coded message

where are you get this "did he even read the stuff?"? i really trying to understand. Does he must say something like "i read everything, and while we won't be doing High elf, i aknowledge your work and want to hire you for our game development team"? He put it as simple as he can, because YOU my dear brought this topic 3 times for HIM ONLY and *insert actuall number* times to anyone in blizzard. Seeing what's going in your "High elf" discord, i see only ignorance, frustration, anger, whatever. HE IS AUTORISED TO ANSWER LIKE THIS! HE ANSWER TO SUPPERIORS! BLIZZARD IS NOT ONE MAN! IT'S F**KING COMPANY! And you 100 people see his answer as insult - then i am envy to this people. cause their parents never said them "No" in their life. and losing this 100-200 people as sub is acceptable damage for blizzard, because they won't lose other 100 who would be angry on giving aliance f**king arrogant "High elves"

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Or he just gave the answer regardless and this isn’t proof at all. Your argument is pretty meaningless.

He gave the answer regardless? What are you even talking about? Do you actually understand what I am saying?

[Zorish]

Its the same with the pro flying people really.

Only in this case its more funny

muhah. really. it's like when child go tantrum to get what he want.

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where are you get this "did he even read the stuff?"? i really trying to understand. Does he must say something like "i read everything, and while we won't be doing High elf, i aknowledge your work and want to hire you for our game development team"?

Well, he wouldn't say that because he read nothing, really. And what he should have said, is simply no and why, not go in details about why people want High Elves, indicating that he never read why people want High Elves.

[dimitrov]

The awkward moment when the high nobility of elves [blood(high) elves and nightborne(high elves too)] and are on the side of the horde. Also I think the population of elves in the horde is bigger than this in the alliance now (in BfA). Welcome to blizz world 2018. Expect more trolls in alliance in 2020...

[Zorish]

Well, he wouldn't say that because he read nothing, really. And what he should have said, is simply no and why, not go in details about why people want High Elves, indicating that he never read why people want High Elves.

he said no 1 time on BC, he said no second time during blizzcon. this is the third time.

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https://imgur.com/a/ey4uYYD
some new gems. i like the last one most. "bigger than entire BE population"

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he said no 1 time on BC, he said no second time during blizzcon. this is the third time.

Just because he is adamant on staying on "no" doesn't mean that he should not even read the requests and arguments about it when it becomes the biggest debate for 6 months. But even if he decided to ignore literally everything written about the topic after all, then he should form his answer appropriately - say no and why, without showing that you ignored everything. Instead, he went on about how people want High Elves and what they want about them, blatantly showing that he has little idea why they want them, and hence also showing that he thinks he knows what people want better than those people. The last thing is probably the root cause of stuff like gcd changes.

[Varodoc]

High Elves are already in the game. A third variation of the same race won't happen, for the aforementioned reasons. Rejoice, High Elves' fanboys, for you still have one last hope. Lighter skin tones for Void Elves:

[protip]

I found a third race which I think better explains my point. Worgen. The way Worgen looked were incredibly different from their playable versions. Then they changed retroactively all the existing Worgen models in game, except maybe 1 or 2 npcs here and there did they not? And it wasn't something that took "ages of being culturally independent." Worgen still kept their "oh these are Werewolves" look but it was represented in an entirely different and unique manner than their former existing counterparts.

This is the route High Elves can take. They're not "Majestic Elves" which is what @Traycor was trying to explain. The game even plays this up with Elisande's comment. Their intermingling with "lesser races" (obviously humans). So we have differing themes already. They just have to be thought up in a way visually to represent that.

And the way Worgens got re-done allows High Elves the same potential.

I understand what you're saying here, but there's a problem in the fact that Blood Elves already exist as a playable race. They're going to remain the same, and if the race that makes up their foundation shifts under their feet, they're no longer what they're meant to be. Blood Elves being simply high elves with green eyes is a binding relationship that cannot be avoided without a retcon.

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If:
1) All new playable races on one faction must be significantly different from the playable races on the other
2) Eye color is not a significant difference
3) Blood Elves are high elves with green eyes
4) Blood Elves are playable, and playable races cannot be changed

Then:
High elves cannot be playable.

That relationship is mathematically provable. If you could prove to Blizzard that one of those four statements is false, perhaps you would have had a chance, but this has all already been discussed. If you don't think Blizzard has considered it, I don't think you're giving them enough credit, especially after the Q&A. Seriously though, unless one of the first 4 statements is wrong, it's a literal impossibility.