Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Zorish]

Just because he is adamant on staying on "no" doesn't mean that he should not even read the requests and arguments about it when it becomes the biggest debate for 6 months. But even if he decided to ignore literally everything written about the topic after all, then he should form his answer appropriately - say no and why, without showing that you ignored everything. Instead, he went on about how people want High Elves and what they want about them, blatantly showing that he has little idea why they want them, and hence also showing that he thinks he knows what people want better than those people. The last thing is probably the root cause of stuff like gcd changes.

i repeat - where you get this that he don't aware of all this posts? Do you really think that he must aknowledge every single of them?

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and hence also showing that he thinks he knows what people want better than those people

blizzard own this game. They let you play it for share. there is nothing about "who knows better". it's just their game. Their lore. their gameplay. And we choose only if we like it or not.

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he said no 1 time on BC, he said no second time during blizzcon. this is the third time.

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https://imgur.com/a/ey4uYYD
some new gems. i like the last one most. "bigger than entire BE population"

So embarrassing. And what happened to the EU CM in that discord? Did she NOPE out after the meltdown/insane high elf beggars talking about how certain Blizzard devs need to die?

[Zorish]

updated: https://imgur.com/a/ey4uYYD i like how this people dwelling in the past.

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So embarrassing. And what happened to the EU CM in that discord? Did she NOPE out after the meltdown/insane high elf beggars talking about how certain Blizzard devs need to die?

CM was silent as i see. She posted like about 3 times. now i don't know where are she.

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updated: https://imgur.com/a/ey4uYYD i like how this people dwelling in the past.

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CM was silent as i see. She posted like about 3 times. now i don't know where are she.

i think you need help, this obsession is unhealthy

[Varx]

I swear so many of these people walk a razor's edge between passionate and fucking bat shit crazy.

[Zorish]

i think you need help, this obsession is unhealthy

help from what? obsession with laugh? and that i share this with others?

only help that is needer are people in this discord who bring every topic to light in their frustrating when they were said "NO". The help wich called "rules of real life"

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i repeat - where you get this that he don't aware of all this posts? Do you really think that he must aknowledge every single of them?

Did I say he wasn't aware of all these posts? He absolutely does, but he is unaware what's inside them. His answer shows this. And he doesn't need to acknowledge anything, he simply should have a general idea about why people want High Elves. He is a game director, knowing what people want and why is supposed to be an essential information that he must have.

blizzard own this game. They let you play it for share. there is nothing about "who knows better". it's just their game. Their lore. their gameplay. And we choose only if we like it or not.

You misunderstood my point. I wasn't talking about "who knows better" about the game, I was talking about "who knows better" about what they want.

[Zorish]

Did I say he wasn't aware of all these posts? He absolutely does, but he is unaware what's inside them. His answer shows this. And he doesn't need to acknowledge anything, he simply should have a general idea about why people want High Elves. He is a game director, knowing what people want and why is supposed to be an essential information that he must have.

so as i said you want he to aknowledge every single part of your megathread full of "cocepts" and etc.? sorry not gonna happen. interview have limited time for limited amout of questions.

[FlubberPuddy]

I understand what you're saying here, but there's a problem in the fact that Blood Elves already exist as a playable race. They're going to remain the same, and if the race that makes up their foundation shifts under their feet, they're no longer what they're meant to be. Blood Elves being simply high elves with green eyes is a binding relationship that cannot be avoided without a retcon.

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If:
1) All new playable races on one faction must be significantly different from the playable races on the other
2) Eye color is not a significant difference
3) Blood Elves are high elves with green eyes
4) Blood Elves are playable, and playable races cannot be changed

Then:
High elves cannot be playable.

That relationship is mathematically provable. If you could prove to Blizzard that one of those four statements is false, perhaps you would have had a chance, but this has all already been discussed. If you don't think Blizzard has considered it, I don't think you're giving them enough credit, especially after the Q&A. Seriously though, unless one of the first 4 statements is wrong, it's a literal impossibility.

The first statement is wrong. Since Void Elves main difference between Blood Elves is their skin color options. They're more similar to each other than Nightborne are to Night Elves.

If eye color isn't a big enough difference and skin color is then surely that can be switched in other ways. Maybe High Elves as is right now cannot be a thing, but further down the line, depending where their story takes them. They could be something more unique visually than just "blue eye blood elves". Maybe they wouldn't be called High Elves then and something else, but still carry what the blue eye group of Elves on Alliance have experienced in WoW. Maybe elves that end up having markings on their body that cannot be taken off, "permanent tattoo" so to speak.

And while all this has been discussed between players, it really didn't seem to be taken in by Blizzard. Ion's answer didn't even include any of the suggestions that they could use a different skeleton or anything, as I said in a previous post. It's as if none of the threads that were created since Blizzcon had even been taken into consideration.

Also before someone points out my new elf thing with "Void Elves" please note that even while Ion was explaining High Elves are a no go for Alliance that he still refers to Void Elves as Blood Elves. Therefore he at least understands that these are not the "High Elves" people wanted. So saying "Void Elves are your High Elves" is also missing the point since Ion continues declaring them as Blood Elves.

And that's not what Alliance players wanted at all. His main point is, currently, High Elves are not different enough.

So if people want to play them then somehow the HE community has to find out how they can be differentiated, and maybe we won't have that answer with what's available now. But the game is always changing, it doesn't mean a new possibility can't present itself in the future.

[KrakHed]

High Elves are already in the game. A third variation of the same race won't happen, for the aforementioned reasons. Rejoice, High Elves' fanboys, for you still have one last hope. Lighter skin tones for Void Elves:

Aren't Void Elves a little too singular in identity? I mean, I just can't imagine them having any lasting impact within or without Warcraft's narrative. Warcraft Orcs really seem to have left a mark.

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so as i said you want he to aknowledge every single part of your megathread full of "cocepts" and etc.? sorry not gonna happen. interview have limited time for limited amout of questions.

It's not my thread and no, as I said, I don't want him to acknowledge anything. What I want is him be aware what the biggest debate in the community that lasts for half a year is about and what are the arguments in them. It has little to do with interview. More like what this interview showed.

[Sorrior]

Im perfectly capable of understanding you being salty and entitled

Also through the thread you seem have a fantasy that your opinion somehow alligns with the majority of feedback which is some next level delusional shit if i ever seen one

I do not know if majority or minority for me. But i DO know high evles have been requested since BEFORE IT EVEN LAUNCHED likely since the game was announced

And frankly i feel many anti he people feel entitled.

As for salty not really. I just feel his answer didn't address any of the actual issues or points HE supporters have. It did nothing but show a complete LACK of understanding. The fact you all cannot comprehend this js still mind boggling to me.

Desiring a real answer not one that has mire holes in it then swiss cheese after going through a drill filled machine is not entitlement it is desiring a company that cares about it's product/players concerns.

And given the fact the blues were commemting on high elf threads and even extending them the he supporters are emough to get noticed.

Hell in cases like this if they do have a story reason to ditch them planned should say something like "we do have plans for high elves. They will not become playable but the reason why will become apparent when you play BFA"

And yes that woukd appease most people despite what you think. And it is a responsible reply and a minimum if what they shoukd do as a company.

[woodydave44]

The first statement is wrong. Since Void Elves main difference between Blood Elves is their skin color options. They're more similar to each other than Nightborne are to Night Elves.

If eye color isn't a big enough difference and skin color is then surely that can be switched in other ways. Maybe High Elves as is right now cannot be a thing, but further down the line, depending where their story takes them. They could be something more unique visually than just "blue eye blood elves". Maybe they wouldn't be called High Elves then and something else, but still carry what the blue eye group of Elves on Alliance have experienced in WoW. Maybe elves that end up having markings on their body that cannot be taken off, "permanent tattoo" so to speak.

And while all this has been discussed between players, it really didn't seem to be taken in by Blizzard. Ion's answer didn't even include any of the suggestions that they could use a different skeleton or anything, as I said in a previous post. It's as if none of the threads that were created since Blizzcon had even been taken into consideration.

Also before someone points out my new elf thing with "Void Elves" please note that even while Ion was explaining High Elves are a no go for Alliance that he still refers to Void Elves as Blood Elves. Therefore he at least understands that these are not the "High Elves" people wanted. So saying "Void Elves are your High Elves" is also missing the point since Ion continues declaring them as Blood Elves.

And that's not what Alliance players wanted at all. His main point is, currently, High Elves are not different enough.

So if people want to play them then somehow the HE community has to find out how they can be differentiated, and maybe we won't have that answer with what's available now. But the game is always changing, it doesn't mean a new possibility can't present itself in the future.

Because Blood Elves are High Elves.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_elf

The blood elves (or sin'dorei, "children of the blood" in Thalassian — pronounced [ˈsiːndɔraɪ], [siːnˈdɔraɪ] or [siːndɔreɪ]) are high elves who changed their name after the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas.[4] Their new name is a dirge, referencing both the blood of their many brethren who fell during the Third War, and their royal lineage.[3][5]

[Sorrior]

This people want that he reads all their nonsense arguments on stream and answer each of them with a 40 minute retourte or something. Pretty nuts

No just realizes his replies were bs before and that while some great ideas are out their the HE are not coming.

Acknowledge the feedback it does wonders

[Sorrior]

i repeat - where you get this that he don't aware of all this posts? Do you really think that he must aknowledge every single of them?

and
blizzard own this game. They let you play it for share. there is nothing about "who knows better". it's just their game. Their lore. their gameplay. And we choose only if we like it or not.

Again blanket statements exist

[Zorish]

It's not my thread and no, as I said, I don't want him to acknowledge anything. What I want is him be aware what the biggest debate in the community that lasts for half a year is about and what are the arguments in them. It has little to do with interview. More like what this interview showed.

arguments? every argument in this thread were countered. Tons of words. What exactly arguments he must aknowledge? Something like when "pro HE" say that population of Dalaran elf much bigger than entire BE population? or that there is (who get this numbers? where? i read the chronicles 2 times and didn't saw a single number of elves there) 2000 "HE" alive? If "HE" lived in dalaran they can be anything from 10-20 exiles to 200-300 elves who taught humans magic, and swap every 20 years.
or maybe Alleria keep in outlands? Spoilers - commander of this keep. Last time whe we saw him - he was IN SUNWELL! DURING QUEL'DELAR QUESTLINE! That's mean that this elves in outland already moved from there and exists there only for gameplay reasons! ONLY GAMEPLAY! and who knows where they gone!
Or maybe that "HE" are proud and didn't betrayed Aliance? Spoilers - they betrayed their own kind and Elisande aknowledged it. She aknowledge them as whole! and say that they dilute their bloodline with humans. Wich mean NOT ONLY ALLERIA OR VERESSA done this, but others too!
To finish. Every time we see "HE" we see them as PART of bigger force.
Pandaria? KIRIN'TOR OFFENSE! KIRIN'TOR - NOT SILVER COVENANT!
Legion? Night elf and "High elf" forces! And there is STILL! kirin'tor mages around! again!

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arguments? every argument in this thread were countered. Tons of words. What exactly arguments he must aknowledge? Something like when "pro HE" say that population of Dalaran elf much bigger than entire BE population? or that there is (who get this numbers? where? i read the chronicles 2 times and didn't saw a single number of elves there) 2000 "HE" alive? If "HE" lived in dalaran they can be anything from 10-20 exiles to 200-300 elves who taught humans magic, and swap every 20 years.

Can you please stop posting stuff irrelevant to my discussion with you? It's pretty annoying. Again, I am not talking about acknowledging, I am talking about being actually aware why people want High Elves. And he isn't and he showed that in the interview.

[Gentlepenguin]

I swear so many of these people walk a razor's edge between passionate and fucking bat shit crazy.

They mostly err on the side of crazy.

I think we need to take some steps forward to let the healing begin. Right now we're in the first stage, some are at the second, but we can work towards acceptance with time.

[protip]

The first statement is wrong. Since Void Elves main difference between Blood Elves is their skin color options. They're more similar to each other than Nightborne are to Night Elves.

If eye color isn't a big enough difference and skin color is then surely that can be switched in other ways. Maybe High Elves as is right now cannot be a thing, but further down the line, depending where their story takes them. They could be something more unique visually than just "blue eye blood elves". Maybe they wouldn't be called High Elves then and something else, but still carry what the blue eye group of Elves on Alliance have experienced in WoW. Maybe elves that end up having markings on their body that cannot be taken off, "permanent tattoo" so to speak.

And while all this has been discussed between players, it really didn't seem to be taken in by Blizzard. Ion's answer didn't even include any of the suggestions that they could use a different skeleton or anything, as I said in a previous post. It's as if none of the threads that were created since Blizzcon had even been taken into consideration.

Also before someone points out my new elf thing with "Void Elves" please note that even while Ion was explaining High Elves are a no go for Alliance that he still refers to Void Elves as Blood Elves. Therefore he at least understands that these are not the "High Elves" people wanted. So saying "Void Elves are your High Elves" is also missing the point since Ion continues declaring them as Blood Elves.

And that's not what Alliance players wanted at all. His main point is, currently, High Elves are not different enough.

So if people want to play them then somehow the HE community has to find out how they can be differentiated, and maybe we won't have that answer with what's available now. But the game is always changing, it doesn't mean a new possibility can't present itself in the future.

I'll grant you that the first point is based on opinion, but you should keep in mind that it's the opinion of a development team who has arrived at that position over 14 years of running the most successful PC game of all time. That's not to say that they don't make mistakes, but I think it's an idea that has had a huge impact on the development of the game up to this point. It's also important to me personally, but we obviously have a difference of opinion on that.

If your goal is to find some type of magical or cultural transformation that would be more satisfying, I wish you the best of luck. It seems to me a lot like imagining a new race, and avoiding the problems of Void Elves while still respecting the fantasy space of Blood Elves will be (very) difficult. It'll definitely take a back seat while some non-elf races are introduced, but if that's what's interesting to you, by all means go for it. If I can offer some advice though, I'd suggest you avoid the name High Elf or I think you'll just end up getting swarmed by more trolls.

[KrakHed]

High Elves are already in the game. A third variation of the same race won't happen, for the aforementioned reasons. Rejoice, High Elves' fanboys, for you still have one last hope. Lighter skin tones for Void Elves:

Aren't Void Elves a little too singular in identity? I mean, I just can't imagine them having any lasting impact within or without Warcraft's narrative. Same with Worgen, really, especially since they aren't a true breeding race.