Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[KrakHed]

High Elves are already in the game. A third variation of the same race won't happen, for the aforementioned reasons. Rejoice, High Elves' fanboys, for you still have one last hope. Lighter skin tones for Void Elves:

Aren't Void Elves a little too singular in identity? I mean, I just can't imagine them having any lasting impact within or without Warcraft's narrative. Same with Worgen, really, especially since they aren't a true breeding race.

[Darththeo]

They are.

If a High Elf built a mage tower, would it look any different than a Blood Elf mage tower? No, it would maybe have a blue aesthetic instead of red, but it would have the same architecture.

If a Void Elf built a mage tower, would it look any different than a Blood Elf mage tower? Yes. It would be infused with void, filled with knowledge the Void grants, filled with books Blood Elves would not allow to exist, thus necessitating the need for different architecture. They have a different culture, and a different appearance. These are things that cannot be said about High Elves.

There is a clear, visual difference between Void Elves and both High and Blood Elves. The same still cannot be said about High and Blood Elves.

You are literally making up stuff now. Void Elves are not culturally different than Blood Elves outside acceptance of the Void while Blood Elves do not . You are literally arguing that Middle Easterns that are Christians are completely different than those that are Muslim. The difference is basically the same, you only are willing it to be different. If you think Void Elves are culturally different than Blood elves, fine ... must you must ALSO accept that High Elves are also culturally different.

Their "appearance" is literally just a fucking purple cover and with different color eyes ... so by your logic, Blood Elf death knights are a completely distinct race too.

[Wilfire]

Garithos was right. The only good elf is a dead elf.

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Like I said before, Silver Covenant is the cause for all this trouble, ever since Wrath, High Elves became more and more present in Alliance campaigns, with Vereesa being more determined than ever. I personally consider High Elf influence among the Alliance to be similar magnitude to that of goblins, within the Horde. Or perhaps, both factions' Pandaren.

It resulted in this situation where High/Blood Elves are in a position that is pretty much like Tushui/Huojin Pandaren, they are the same race, but they are ideologically divided, on opposite warring factions just like that.

Lore-wise, avoiding High Elves as an Allied Race could only occur if the Silver Covenant were to be purged somehow, or end up joining the Horde, which would be a tricky feat, and it would cause a lot of problems with previous content, because High Elf NPC's hold several key reputations and questlines along the way, but eh, Garrosh is still out there in Nagrand, so it's not really all that unheard of. ^_~

[brbshower]

Blood Elves are High Elves......why TF is this thread still rolling along at the speed of light? Just change the name of the site from MMOC to HighElfDiscussion.com

PPL, stop asking for something that you already have. It's like you've been given a red apple, but you're just continuing to bitch endlessly because it's not the exact shade of red that you want.

[Varodoc]

Blood Elves are High Elves......why TF is this thread still rolling along at the speed of light? Just change the name of the site from MMOC to HighElfDiscussion.com

PPL, stop asking for something that you already have. It's like you've been given a red apple, but you're just continuing to bitch endlessly because it's not the exact shade of red that you want.

Yours is a very good comparision. Because High Elves fans were advocating for playable High Elves on the Alliance side... and they were given playable High Elves on the Alliance in the form of Void Elves. It's just that it was not the specific shade of High Elves that they had envisioned, so they must continue to complain pointlessly.

[ls-]

Yours is a very good comparision. Because High Elves fans were advocating for playable High Elves on the Alliance side... and they were given playable High Elves on the Alliance in the form of Void Elves. It's just that it was not the specific shade of High Elves that they had envisioned, so they must continue to complain pointlessly.

Do they not realise that even if Blizz were to add Helves to the Alliance they'd have to tweak their appearance in some way, so they wouldn't be literally Belves w/ blue eyes? Blizz REALLY don't want to turn Belves into Pandaren2.0. It'd be hilarious if even the second attempt to add playable Helves became "not the specific shade of High Elves that they had envisioned".

[Varodoc]

Do they not realise that even if Blizz were to add Helves to the Alliance they'd have to tweak their appearance in some way, so they wouldn't be literally Belves w/ blue eyes? Blizz REALLY don't want to turn Belves into Pandaren2.0. It'd be hilarious if even the second attempt to add playable Helves became "not the specific shade of High Elves that they had envisioned".

These High Elves fanboys are hypocrites.

They want the High Elves with weird tattoos and crazy hairstyles that make them look like Forest Trolls. Some even suggest giving them the Human/Night Elf skeleton... do they not realize that they are not actually asking for High Elves?! As in, Blood Elves with blue eyes. Because that's what the actual High Elves are. Not those crazy rangers with savage and primitive aesthetics that are nothing like the Silver Covenant and the Highvale Elves.

[Sorrior]

These High Elves fanboys are hypocrites.

They want the High Elves with weird tattoos and crazy hairstyles that make them look like Forest Trolls. Some even suggest giving them the Human/Night Elf skeleton... do they not realize that they are not actually asking for High Elves?! As in, Blood Elves with blue eyes. Because that's what the actual High Elves are. Not those crazy rangers with savage and primitive aesthetics that are nothing like the Silver Covenant and the Highvale Elves.

Have you ONLY played wow by chance? Do you only know of wows highelves?

Because they do have a history before.

And we want what the high elves represebt the lore the story and more not "blue eyed be" we want he. Their is a difference culturally and historically in the warcraft series.

[Varodoc]

Have you ONLY played wow by chance? Do you only know of wows highelves?

No, In fact, I have played Warcraft III back before World of Warcraft was released.

Because they do have a history before.

Of course they do, every race and character in every fictional world has a history. But having a history alone is not enough to justify the introduction of a new Allied Race.

And we want what the high elves represebt the lore the story and more not "blue eyed be" we want he

What do High Elves represent in the lore? Tell me? They represent purity, since they declined to siphon Fel magic like Silvermoon did? Well, so much for that purity, when there are several Quel'dorei wayfarers in Telogrus Rift eager to infuse themselves with the Void.

Perhaps they represent... uhm... good question. What do the High Elves represent that makes them so unique when compared to the other two Thalassian races in the game?

Their is a difference culturally and historically in the warcraft series.

If that's the case, the Humans of Stromgarde should also become a new Allied Race. Because it doesn't matter if there are no physical differences between them and Stormwindian Humans, they are different culturally and historically in the Warcraft series.

It doesn't work like that, sorry. Lore alone does not justify the creation of a new playable race. High Elves would shatter the population of both Void Elves and Blood Elves, and it would deprive the Horde of a part of its identity.

Also, World of Warcraft's Game Director stated clearly that High Elves, ultimately, are just Blood Elves. They are not so different after all, and, in addition, he stated that High Elves will even disappear eventually and that there is no relevant Quel'dorei faction left. Your word <<<< The word of the Game Director.

[Deleted]

Have you ONLY played wow by chance? Do you only know of wows highelves?

Because they do have a history before.

And we want what the high elves represebt the lore the story and more not "blue eyed be" we want he. Their is a difference culturally and historically in the warcraft series.

Blood Elves share that same history, lore and culture though, it's not something that's specific to the Silver Covenant. They are the exact same people, the only difference is political, so asking for visual differences, even in the forms of animations, is ridiculous.

[Sorrior]

No, In fact, I have played Warcraft III back before World of Warcraft was released.



Of course they do, every race and character in every fictional world has a history. But having a history alone is not enough to justify the introduction of a new Allied Race.



What do High Elves represent in the lore? Tell me? They represent purity, since they declined to siphon Fel magic like Silvermoon did? Well, so much for that purity, when there are several Quel'dorei wayfarers in Telogrus Rift eager to infuse themselves with the Void.

Perhaps they represent... uhm... good question. What do the High Elves represent that makes them so unique when compared to the other two Thalassian races in the game?



If that's the case, the Humans of Stromgarde should also become a new Allied Race. Because it doesn't matter if there are no physical differences between them and Stormwindian Humans, they are different culturally and historically in the Warcraft series.

It doesn't work like that, sorry. Lore alone does not justify the creation of a new playable race. High Elves would shatter the population of both Void Elves and Blood Elves, and it would deprive the Horde of a part of its identity.

Also, World of Warcraft's Game Director stated clearly that High Elves, ultimately, are just Blood Elves. They are not so different after all, and, in addition, he stated that High Elves will even disappear eventually and that there is no relevant Quel'dorei faction left. Your word <<<< The word of the Game Director.

Heh ok look back to warcraft 2 after you do then say they cannot be different in lore easily.

As for ion.. ge is basically the anti red shirt guy he seems to be very unaware of older stuff

[Aldo Hawk]

Do they not realise that even if Blizz were to add Helves to the Alliance they'd have to tweak their appearance in some way, so they wouldn't be literally Belves w/ blue eyes? Blizz REALLY don't want to turn Belves into Pandaren2.0. It'd be hilarious if even the second attempt to add playable Helves became "not the specific shade of High Elves that they had envisioned".

You are just lying, people who want High Elves understand that they must be tweaked to not be exactly the same as Blood Elves, but not something like the Void Elves, who were something TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what were expected.

[Sorrowseer]

The answer to the Alliance players is to be a Blood Elf on teh Horde side? HAahahahahah Blizzard trolling 10/10

[Varodoc]

Heh ok look back to warcraft 2 after you do then say they cannot be different in lore easily.

Oh, yes, those rangers in Warcraft II.

They are living in Silvermoon City nowadays. And they go by the name of 'Blood Elves' now.

As for ion.. ge is basically the anti red shirt guy he seems to be very unaware of older stuff

His supposed incompetence is irrelevant; every decision must be approved by the Game Director for it to go through, and right now, he is against playable High Elves.

You know, I just realized how weird this sentence is, because High Elves are already playable on both factions!

Allow me to rephrase that. He is against playable Silver Covenant/Highvale Elves.

[Pheraz]

I really love the idea of high elves.
But blizzard hates the alliance. Deal with it already. They love ugly things like the horde.
So let's give up my alliance brothers and sisters and let's faith that we are the hated faction. For whatever reason.

"The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount."

[Gentlepenguin]

Blood Elves are High Elves......why TF is this thread still rolling along at the speed of light? Just change the name of the site from MMOC to HighElfDiscussion.com

PPL, stop asking for something that you already have. It's like you've been given a red apple, but you're just continuing to bitch endlessly because it's not the exact shade of red that you want.

It's mainly going for the entertainment of anti-HE, as far as I can tell. As to why the high elf posters keeps posting in circles, there's a few key factors.

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[Syegfryed]

https://imgur.com/a/ey4uYYD
some new gems. i like the last one most. "bigger than entire BE population"

"the fact that the beautiful model thallassian model was originally given to the horde, frustrate me

that type of style belongs to the alliance"


oh boy, why they didn't a discord before, this is top lvl kek, nice to see they showing their true colors, and how the "lore" is just a bullshit explanation.

[Shakou]

Have you ONLY played wow by chance? Do you only know of wows highelves?

Because they do have a history before.

And we want what the high elves represebt the lore the story and more not "blue eyed be" we want he. Their is a difference culturally and historically in the warcraft series.

Ya but, has anyone really been far? Even as decided to use, even go want to do look more like?

[FlubberPuddy]

I'll grant you that the first point is based on opinion, but you should keep in mind that it's the opinion of a development team who has arrived at that position over 14 years of running the most successful PC game of all time. That's not to say that they don't make mistakes, but I think it's an idea that has had a huge impact on the development of the game up to this point. It's also important to me personally, but we obviously have a difference of opinion on that.

If your goal is to find some type of magical or cultural transformation that would be more satisfying, I wish you the best of luck. It seems to me a lot like imagining a new race, and avoiding the problems of Void Elves while still respecting the fantasy space of Blood Elves will be (very) difficult. It'll definitely take a back seat while some non-elf races are introduced, but if that's what's interesting to you, by all means go for it. If I can offer some advice though, I'd suggest you avoid the name High Elf or I think you'll just end up getting swarmed by more trolls.

For sure. I won't deny that Blizzard has always made an effort to keep unique flavors for most of what they add into WoW. That's why we receive their own takes on things, like Garrisons instead of player housing. Or their own take on Pokemon, or armor design, class themes, gameplay styles, etc.

I agree that it is difficult not trying to step on Blood Elves or Void Elves, while trying to get something like High Elves. And for sure we'll have to wait an even longer amount of time now that Void Elves were the elf pick for Alliance. No doubts there.

What interests me so much about High Elves are:

1) They're elves, lol and I love elves. Favorite race when it comes to fantasy genre.

2) They're Alliance. They chose their friends over family who came to their support and have enjoyed the culture that was brought by their Alliance friends. They'd rather mingle than stay isolationist.

3) These elves are "idealists" when the choice came to using Fel magic. They felt "we cannot lose who we are over this". That's a great theme I actually really love. When it's kind of like, "the whole world says you have to do this!" and those High Elves said, "No we don't. We can manage another way."

I'll relate it to The Last Airbender series. I LOVED that everyone was telling Aang he had to kill the Fire Lord in order for the balance to get set back to normal. But that solution wasn't Aang, he didn't agree because he felt so strongly against it. So he seeked out a different way and found a different solution that didn't require him to give up his morality. Absolutely love that kind of stuff yet I actually find it rare to see in media. Usually there's always some kind of "you must defeat this by killing it or obliterating it" and other solutions are rarely found. At least from the media I've consumed I guess, maybe there are tons more examples out there.

Anyways, main point

I'm not too stuck on the "High Elf" name, nor their appearance necessarily. Make it an elf, include those thematics within them, and have em on Alliance and I'll gladly consider those my "High Elves" (hopefully they can be Paladins heh).

At the end of the day it's more the lore and story for me personally.

Nonetheless glad for the discourse that can be had here. More cool-headed than some.