Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Sorrior]

Maybe. I think it helps that Horde quests generally let you know that what you're doing is for the greater good of the Horde. The Horde has also been generally stable/consistent thematically. Alliance quests generally focus on what you're doing locally and how you benefit a community. Thematically when you think of the Alliance you're thinking of humans.

Yeah i can see that. Tbh i WISH the other races got more attention. I really feel like non humans don't get enough love in the alliance

[Aldo Hawk]

A) There's a huge difference between adding yet another flavour of a race to the same faction and giving it to another one;
B) I'm a strong opponent of allied races like LF goats and HM cows that could be added as unlockable customisation options.

And yeah, they come for AU Draenor, it's not just the first impression.

Doesn't matter in what faction they get added, the case is that horde players asked for mag'har orcs, horde got them and they are overall satisfied with it, but Alliance got Void Elves and those were not enough to supply the demand of alliance High Elves because, well, just for start thematically they are the total opposite.

When i said the first impression, i said that it depends on how they join from draenor, the first impression is that they are from draenor, but we do not know how they got from there and why (the explanation from the datamining is extremely simple).

[ls-]

Doesn't matter in what faction they get added, the case is that horde players asked for mag'har orcs, horde got them and they are overall satisfied with it, but Alliance got Void Elves and those were not enough to supply the demand of alliance High Elves because, well, just for start thematically they are the total opposite.

It matters a lot, it's one of the most important things. If you don't have a sense of faction pride, then go play the Horde. Why do ask Blizz to add them to the Alliance?

At this point Blizz prob should add blue eyes to Belves and be done w/ it.

[Sorrior]

It's an RPG, after all. Just because you want High Elves at all cost doesn't mean that Blizzard should completely screw up one absolute core aspect of the game.



Devs seem to think otherwise.

The devs reasoning is faulty and the older devs seem to have dusagreed with ion given earlier comments from years ago and the prevalance of the silver covenant.

As for RPG wow is barely an rpg these days and more a pseudo action game with slight rpg elements.

As for CORE element? No not really. I got invested in ffxiv story at points to the point i was borderline rally crying as i invaded an enemy base.

In wow? I get the vibe with legion at times but the faction stuff? In game maybe outside? I unno as i said a game.

[Deleted]

Like others have said, and as much as I hate to agree this thread should be closed.

We lost bois.

[Sorrior]

Doesn't matter in what faction they get added, the case is that horde players asked for mag'har orcs, horde got them and they are overall satisfied with it, but Alliance got Void Elves and those were not enough to supply the demand of alliance High Elves because, well, just for start thematically they are the total opposite.

When i said the first impression, i said that it depends on how they join from draenor, the first impression is that they are from draenor, but we do not know how they got from there and why (the explanation from the datamining is extremely simple).

Annd now Mok'nathal another LONG requested race. Whiich i am definitely rolling an alt on(loved Rexxar since WC3)

Horde really does seem to be getting almost all their requests and dream races at this point.

Just add ogres and the old horde will be all but complete. My only hope at this point is that Ion is trying not to spoil SOMETHING big in regards to HE either converting to VE ir being wiped out.

If not their is clear issues going on seeing how long HE have been requested

[baskev]

Like others have said, and as much as I hate to agree this thread should be closed.

We lost bois.

Nah we did not loose. If you look at all of BFA we got *ss F*ck*d raw by saturn 5 rocket. And blizzards response to all of it has been:

If you want anything cool or epic or well done ( story, quests, allied races, hero's etc), the horde is there for you

if you want hand me downs , bad crap etc go alliance. :P

[Aldo Hawk]

It doesn't matter when i'm answering you this:

A) There's a huge difference between adding yet another flavour of a race to the same faction and giving it to another one

What matters is that Void Elves aren't anything near High Elves besides being Thalassian, do you understand it now?

[Deleted]

That's literally how you got Velves.

No, void elves have exact same body, exact same posture and animation.. They only changed skin color, making illusion that it is something unique and different.

At this point Blizz prob should add blue eyes to Belves and be done w/ it.

But blood elves already have blue eyes?

[bloodmoth13]

Personally I'd even go that far that I would make Shamans their defining class next to Hunters. For a bit more fresh air in the concept.

wtf? shamans being their defining class? no. rangers and mages are their defining classes, perhaps even priest. High elves will be popular enough without special classes added, just give them what they already have. Mage, priest, rogue, hunter and warrior. You could argue paladin or warlock, maybe monk (since blizz give em to everyone) but not shaman or druid imo.

[baskev]

Annd now Mok'nathal another LONG requested race. Whiich i am definitely rolling an alt on(loved Rexxar since WC3)

Horde really does seem to be getting almost all their requests and dream races at this point.

Just add ogres and the old horde will be all but complete. My only hope at this point is that Ion is trying not to spoil SOMETHING big in regards to HE either converting to VE ir being wiped out.

If not their is clear issues going on seeing how long HE have been requested

Lol be careful with saying the horde have it better :P. Because the horde do not see it that way. ( i agree with you btw).

Its really insane. They have gotten everything better. Better quests, allied races, story, hero's, druid forms, racials, story focus.

Horde wins all night elf lands + broken ilse
Alliance can not even get 1 city from them :S:S

[Aldo Hawk]

Annd now Mok'nathal another LONG requested race. Whiich i am definitely rolling an alt on(loved Rexxar since WC3)

Horde really does seem to be getting almost all their requests and dream races at this point.

Just add ogres and the old horde will be all but complete. My only hope at this point is that Ion is trying not to spoil SOMETHING big in regards to HE either converting to VE ir being wiped out.

If not their is clear issues going on seeing how long HE have been requested

I just wish that Blizzard do something about this, as wiping HE from existance, adding them as a playable option, transforming them into something, or just saying no with a statement that doesn't seems to not take on count what the community discussed a thousand times.

But just something goddamn, what Ion did in the Q&A just felt totally careless and unaware of the situation.

[Sorrior]

wtf? shamans being their defining class? no. rangers and mages are their defining classes, perhaps even priest. High elves will be popular enough without special classes added, just give them what they already have. Mage, priest, rogue, hunter and warrior. You could argue paladin or warlock, maybe monk (since blizz give em to everyone) but not shaman or druid imo.

Honestly i would say no to lock but a MAYBE to druid(nature mage) but agreed no to shaman. I likely would say no to mnk as wepl honestly

[corebit]

Doesn't matter in what faction they get added, the case is that horde players asked for mag'har orcs, horde got them and they are overall satisfied with it, but Alliance got Void Elves and those were not enough to supply the demand of alliance High Elves because, well, just for start thematically they are the total opposite.

The #1 Horde requested race are Ogres. Were they implemented? No.

Horde wanted actual Outland Maghar Orcs, instead they got the timey-wimey Orcs that completely shit on their MU lore.

Horde wanted Nightborne that actually look the NPCs, instead they got cheap discount night elves with crap customization and ugly faces.

Yeah sure Horde got everything they asked for. /s

[Sorrior]

Lol be careful with saying the horde have it better :P. Because the horde do not see it that way. ( i agree with you btw).

Its really insane. They have gotten everything better. Better quests, allied races, story, hero's, druid forms, racials, story focus.

Horde wins all night elf lands + broken ilse
Alliance can not even get 1 city from them :S:S

Wellll druid forms i would give to Kul tirans but that is just my taste.

Overall i completely agree though. I had hoped we would get undercity and it could be redone as a worgen base or give ys gilneas for deities sake.

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I just wish that Blizzard do something about this, as wiping HE from existance, adding them as a playable option, transforming them into something, or just saying no with a statement that doesn't seems to not take on count what the community discussed a thousand times.

But just something goddamn, what Ion did in the Q&A just felt totally careless and unaware of the situation.

Been saying this for ages. Almost all i got were replies about my being entitled

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I DID mention ogres are about all that is missing did i not?

The nightborne models are crap agreed but better then lf draenei.

And so you got a version of a race you wanted with almost all of it intact..Alliance got a twisted version that gives almost nothing matching why it was asked for.

Compared to ally you have been given alot of what you want.

[Deleted]

Nah we did not loose. If you look at all of BFA we got *ss F*ck*d raw by saturn 5 rocket. And blizzards response to all of it has been:

If you want anything cool or epic or well done ( story, quests, allied races, hero's etc), the horde is there for you

if you want hand me downs , bad crap etc go alliance. :P

Relax man this movement was always grasping at straws especially after Void Elves were introduced, people were being naive if they ever thought the ideas in this thread, some of them questionable, others more sound, would actually appear in game.

And we do have lots of great things, story wise the Alliance got much more spotlight in Legion than the Horde, Blizzard bases all of their armor and tier sets on humans so we always look great in transmog, we've got some great pvp racials, we also have more major characters being developed and so on, so it's not all bad, heck for what it's worth we even got something akin to what we asked for, which is way more than the Horde or even Blizzard themselves wanted to give us.

In BfA alone we get Kul Tirans with as great druid forms as the Zandalaari trolls', we get to visit Kul'Tiras something lots of Alliance players have wanted for a while. We sack Lordaeron arguably the hardest city to siege in the game, so I'd say we get lots of attention and great things,

What has- and continues to surprise me though is the Horde's insistency, and unwillingness to not share their toys.

Like what I'll never understand that, even if XxLegolasboi420xX ran around Stormwind yelling that they were taking the gnomes to Blackrock, the Horde would still be the Horde with all their spiky red desert fortress-y goodness, and the Alliance would still be the Alliance with all their gold, and lions, and golden lions.

But that's just something these two camps will never agree on, and that's fine, and I mean both sides are equally as stubborn and biased, so they are as bad as eachother in that regard.

[baskev]

No, void elves have exact same body, exact same posture and animation.. They only changed skin color, making illusion that it is something unique and different.



But blood elves already have blue eyes?

Nope they have not.
Blood elves and high elves are different. And game designers no nothing.


Hell 3 armys of elves came to help free the city and are all named by the big bad Elisande. She talks about Night, blood and High elves....so....you can even see there 3 distinct army's and she even calls out some of the differences .

[Deleted]

I DID mention ogres are about all that is missing did i not?

The nightborne models are crap agreed but better then lf draenei.

And so you got a version of a race you wanted with almost all of it intact..Alliance got a twisted version that gives almost nothing matching why it was asked for.

Compared to ally you have been given alot of what you want.

not to mention straight backs, cool zandalari, golden eyes as a BE customization, while draenei must be separate race to have golden eyes, even if it makes sense, that your draenei can become lightforged...

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Lol i am on your side, i am saying that blood elves have already blue eyes, because ion and his minions are saying that high elves = blood elves = void elves.. so naturally if someone demands blue eyes on blood elves, he already have them, because blood elves are void elves are high elves

[bloodmoth13]

They tweaked blood elves to give you a playable flavour of high elves, people didn't like and now ask for another one.

That's why I why the second half of my quote reads as



So image that they gave in and added yet another flavour of high elves that doesn't look like just paler blood elves w/ blue eyes which once against doesn't meet your expectations. What are you going to do next? Ask for yet another one?

In their defense, its not a big ask. nobody was asking for fanfic elves (voidelves) meanwhile threads for high elves have been around for an eternity. blizz fucked up tbh, its kind of undeniable that void elves just havent fulfilled the high elf fantasy, they are twice removed from their high elven base and are the most pure example of asspull blizz has ever achieved.

people have asked for vanilla elves, not blood elves, not void elves, not special hotsauce elves, just plain jane vanilla elves, the same exact type that were in the alliance in warcraft II and III. blood elves only joined the horde in wow's second expansion, they are not a horde mainstay for anyone old enough to enjoy the classics. its honestly not a big ask imo, its about the same as horde asking for amani trolls or ogres, both of which were a part of the horde in warcraft II.
players will ask for basic high elves for as long as they dont have them. once they are added the forums will die down and everything will carry on as normal.

[Aldo Hawk]

The #1 Horde requested race are Ogres. Were they implemented? No.

Horde wanted actual Outland Maghar Orcs, instead they got the timey-wimey Orcs that completely shit on their MU lore.

Horde wanted Nightborne that actually look the NPCs, instead they got cheap discount night elves with crap customization and ugly faces.

Yeah sure Horde got everything they asked for. /s

I feel like the Nightborne got improved from their NPC versions, i enjoy my mage and now i'm gonna level a warlock, i understand not everyone likes the new look but it had to be made in some way.

But talking about the mag'har, i too dislike them being from AU Draenor and not from Outland, but the acceptance now is gonna depend on how they present us their recruitment, the AU Draenor plot sounds awful to many.

And i didn't referred to how much requested were the race btw... and Ogres are another race, not something like the already known allied races.