Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[ExtremelyCrusty]

High Elves aren't going to happen. Why is there a massive thread about it?

[Zorish]

So you gonna play "my opponent is stupid and deaf" card when you can't answer the direct question?

you played this card too many times already.

Already said. Implement new unique model for HELF (NPC and PC) just like for NB. Also NB steal Highborne (Alliance) fantasy.

Kul Tiran are fatso only because they needed visual difference from default humans since they were planned to be released as Allied Race.

No amount of your "all we know till BfA about KT nation only that they are island nation and have great fleet" will change that.

1) no reason to implement different model for race wich we all know have same model for all time in WoW. Evolution didn't changed them because there was no evolution
2) NB fantasy lost NE fantasy about 10k years ago. When the great divide happened in treehuggers and magicusers. NE have NOTHING in common with NB. Oh yeah and you stole BE fantasy even more with getting EXACTLY same model (only color differense, while NB got darker skin tones and different body) with BE. Sorry - you lost.
3) And even if they needed visual difference they still humans for Aliance. same as Zandalari being different TROLLS. Both factions got equall tratement - don't bring victim card there

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I must've missed them then because all I ever saw were the exact same posture as blood elves, just a bit slimmer and got beards and tattoos and what not. I'm always fine with seeing new thing as long as they would make sense.

But yah if it's to any help, I thought the idea of void elves being a thing was really stupid >_>'

in this thread there was few suggestions about changing "HE" look. But when "pro-HE" got answer that they can't be muscular because lack of mana (wich is imagine work like vitamines for their bodies) i saw only screeching. They want to be beautifull, not skinnier.

like really. Reflect your choice to be "arrogant" and instead taking what's your body need - suffer and be skinnier, because lack of needed vitamins for your body normal function. (and i don't tell to the state of like nightfallen, just more skinnier than current Blood elves)

[Aldo Hawk]

See? Here it comes. Ion made an improvised response. That just happened to repeat everything he stated at Blizzcon 2017. That has been backed up by fourteen years of consistent storytelling and every other source in the game.

It was not improvised, there is no way Ion didn't know what he was going to be asked because I am sure everyone involved didn't want him to say 'i don't know but I'll get back to you on that'. Ion told you the truth. They don't want to give the Alliance High Elves.

They even told you why, because they don't want to destroy the lines between the factions.

The answer you got was a mercy. It was an uncomfortable truth but a truth. Blizzard has now done almost everything within their power to let you know that Alliance High Elves are very likely never happening. You can hope against hope, but the writing is on the wall. And maybe the writing is in the game too, we don't know what the plot of BFA holds so if something happens to the alliance high elves during the course of BFA then Blizzard will have done EVERYTHING in their power.

I said that it SEEMED to be, but whatever dude, keep tricking my words to fit your thinking. And storytelling and sources in the game tolds us that alliance high elves exists and fight for the alliance, and even their numbers aren't a problem to be playable because we have the goblins that escaped on a ship from their exploding island, the near extinct tauren hunted by minotaurs, the massacred darkspear tribe by murlocks, the spacegoats from a ship, the lighty spacegoats from another ship that seems to be even smaller (and even if there are 3 or 4 more ships like them, not that much of them) the gnomes in their giant gas chamber that they called city... am i wrong with what i'm saying?

And again, even they know that the faction wall is not that fragile, is delirious to think that high elves would hurt faction identity that much, because you know, faction identity are not made up just by the races they are formed, faction identity is music, colors, banners, cities, lore, culture, etc...

And please, the answer i got was a mercy? i don't really know what are you trying but saying this just doesn't show any respect to contrary arguments while you don't bring anything but an opinion, and that is very blindsided if you ask me.

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What people obviously fail to understand is that it's Blizzard's game, after all. They don't owe anyone any explanation whatsoever, a simple "No, because we don't want to. Deal with it." would be enough to end that discussion once and for all. But instead they tried to be at least a bit diplomatic - with the result that people still fail to get their loud and clear No.

Reminds me a lot of those guys just not accepting a simple No from a girl they'd like to date because she didn't give them an "sufficient" explanation or one they don't want to hear...

Ion did not said: 'No, we are not going to implement them and we are not open for it' he litteraly said that Blood Elves are that flavour of elves, and we have them on the horde, and then explains that he has no plans for the near future and anything is open for the future.

I don't know you but i don't see that as a no, i see that as a: 'We are not going to introduce them but anything can happen in the future'.

Thinking people should accept it as a total negative response is biased as fk.

And just don't try to compare us to 'guys who don't accept a no from a girl because no sufficient explanation'. I call that bullshit and trying to piss off people because you want this thread to burn in a pit.

[Deleted]

you played this card too many times already.


1) no reason to implement different model for race wich we all know have same model for all time in WoW. Evolution didn't changed them because there was no evolution

You are right, evolution doesnt work that fast, but i can assure you, that i can have different posture and body shape in a few years.. If circumstances forced me, like being kicked from home and not sating my addiction to crack, then it would be a few months. And i would still maintain my humanity..

Biggest plus is that i have different face than anyone else.. I know it is weird, that as a member of human race i dont share the exact same face with other 100 million people.

In other words, artistic freedom

[Suilea]

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Ion clearly stated that it would hurt faction identity. That in fact is a clear No, whether you want to accept it or not.

And just don't try to compare us to 'guys who don't accept a no from a girl because no sufficient explanation'.

But that's exactly what the HE fanboys are. Blizzard says No and you debate over if their explanation suits your point of view.

[Highwhale]

You are right, evolution doesnt work that fast, but i can assure you, that i can have different posture and body shape in a few years.. If circumstances forced me, like being kicked from home and not feeding my addiction to crack, then it would be a few months. And i would still maintain my humanity..

Biggest plus is that i have different face than anyone else.. I know it is weird, that as a member of human race i dont share the exact same face with other 100 million people.

Speaking of Wretched in TBC.

[Sigxy]

What people obviously fail to understand is that it's Blizzard's game, after all. They don't owe anyone any explanation whatsoever, a simple "No, because we don't want to. Deal with it." would be enough to end that discussion once and for all. But instead they tried to be at least a bit diplomatic - with the result that people still fail to get their loud and clear No.

Reminds me a lot of those guys just not accepting a simple No from a girl they'd like to date because she didn't give them an "sufficient" explanation or one they don't want to hear...

Right. I know there's the saying "The customer is always right" but let's be honest here, that's not the case at all times. This is definitely one of those moments.

And off topic but a "no" from a girl is actually hard at times to figure out if they are serious or not. :<

[FlubberPuddy]

Time 8:38 - to pretty much end of video.

This is why I enjoy Taliesin & Evitel. They come off as the more neutral everyman and are good at looking into why it is that people do the things they do, whether it's why Blizzard makes GCD changes or why people request High Elves or anything really.

I believe his response on the High Elf Q&A part is how I imagine myself to be about the whole thing, he just does it a lot more eloquently. ^_^

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Speaking of Wretched in TBC.

Yeah i think they lost control and sarted overeating, because they found some magic source..
And wretched were also sometimes proposed as a playable subrace, even though they are just elves with unhealthy eating habits

[Syegfryed]

I always see these things as a matter of perspective. For the Horde losing a race hurts their faction identity because of how strong that identity is. The Alliance isn't the same and many Alliance players don't have a strong collection with the faction because it's rarely central to Alliance stories. There's a reason "For the Horde" resonates with people while "For the Alliance" is mocked.

don't think so, the alliance have strong identiy, just the elf fans don't care if this is damaged to get their elf.

even most of then do not accept the trade high elves for alterac humans,blue eredar, their suggestion is always void lef lv, like the demonic manari

No i just don't care about the faction shit..

then this game is not for you at all, its like saying if you don't like pve they need to get rig of it

Factions shenanigas is what move the franchise since orcs x humans, so yeah factions matters.

We have fought alongiside each other(welll nocs hage) hell i bet slot of horde and alliance npcs have favorite buddies on the opposing faction they hangout with during big threats

nah, its just a superficial view, horde and alliance hate each other, always will, hate, racism, vengeance, those things don't just go away

[Sorrior]

A race that was barely interested in the Alliance, was one of the last to join, sent only a minor force to help said Alliance, and was one of the first to bail out when it was time to share the burden, is considered more symbolic of the Alliance than even the humans

These days in wow. Oddly enough.. they stabd out alot more abd their stories for me at least tend to be more memorable. When they show up you know we are fighting something big it seems.

[Zorish]

Yeah i think they lost control and sarted overeating, because they found some magic source..
And wretched were also sometimes proposed as a playable subrace, even though they are just elves with unhealthy eating habits

well we saw what happen to elf who overdo (wretched) and is lack (nightfallen). Both are skinnier, than "healthy" elf. And even if nightfallen were only in Suramar i think SOME part of it (not to the extremes of course) can be actually applied to "HE" situation.

[Sigxy]

Time 8:38 - to pretty much end of video.

This is why I enjoy Taliesin & Evitel. They come off as the more neutral everyman and are good at looking into why it is that people do the things they do, whether it's why Blizzard makes GCD changes or why people request High Elves or anything really.

I believe his response on the High Elf Q&A part is how I imagine myself to be about the whole thing, he just does it a lot more eloquently. ^_^

Unless I misunderstood, I question him when he said that Alleria was the only named void elf. I was quite sure there was more than her.

Otherwise, eh, I usually don't watch his stuff since there's something about his stare I don't like. He always looks like he wants to kill someone. o_o

[FlubberPuddy]

Unless I misunderstood, I question him when he said that Alleria was the only named void elf. I was quite sure there was more than her.

Otherwise, eh, I usually don't watch his stuff since there's something about his stare I don't like. He always looks like he wants to kill someone. o_o

He was meaning that Alleria was the only Void Elf known in existence at the time before Void Elves became added, that was the context he was saying it under.

[Deleted]

Why not make a new model for the High Elves, something in between Night Elves and Blood Elves.
We know that High Elves are evolved from the Night Elves after they left for the Eastern Kingdoms. So why not make the High Elves a new model to look as a link in between the 2 races. I know Blood Elves are just High Elves with a different name but we could retcon it that when they started using fel energy it changed them into the actual model of the Blood Elves.

This way horde keeps their light skinned model. Alliance gets their High Elf fantasy fulfilled and everyone is happy.
This way things would be fair as horde got Nightborne elves as new model whilst Alliance got Void Elves which are just copy pasted Blood Elves with some emo phase.

[Sorrior]

Lol the main simbolic alliance races are humans, dwarves and Night Elves, how are High Elves even more simbolic than Humans? i mean, they got their screenshot and that but come on, High Elves are not that important in the Alliance.

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Are you talking about pre blood elf high elves?

Ok let me put it this way

When questing outsude if starter zones. You sometimes see a few dwaves. Often humans(to the point they blur together at lesst for me) a ne is a rare sight indeed.

But a HE? The Silver Covenant oh you notice them and as i said before when rhey appear you know it is a tougher foe.

Was also thinking in text kinda..but yeah when i think alliance humans and HE are together in my head dwarves a bit too...not NE or Worgen really though buut nay be the old rts player in me

[Sigxy]

He was meaning that Alleria was the only Void Elf known in existence at the time before Void Elves became added, that was the context he was saying it under.

Right, gotcha!

[Aldo Hawk]

spin xd

K so Blizzard's word is God word so if they say that it hurt faction identity it does because they say so. K, pretty neat.

And yeah, HE 'fanboys' are obnoxious woman semi-harassers, pretty neat too my dude...

I just have to take you seriously with that bullshit? at least don't do the snip crap on my quote so others can say what are you answering to, or are you affraid that others can answer and look at it properly?

[Deleted]

Unless I misunderstood, I question him when he said that Alleria was the only named void elf. I was quite sure there was more than her.

Otherwise, eh, I usually don't watch his stuff since there's something about his stare I don't like. He always looks like he wants to kill someone. o_o

Alleria isnt even void elf by definition, because she wasnt transformed by the ethereal durzaan(or whatever is his name). She just ate dead naaru and maintained her high elven appearance. The only notable one is Umbric and then there are filler npcs like inkeeper etc.

[Sorrior]

i am not here is the list:


Area lost and gained:
Horde destroy's/wins pretty much every piece of night elf land + brokenshore.
vs
Alliance 1 flying small space ship and can not even take 1 city. ( hell they could have given us Gilneas , because that makes epic sense. Easy to supply the north and blockade silvermoon etc. but nope)


Story wise:
Horde Last part of MoP, WoD. And because the 2 races of Broken isle joined the horde..a good part of legion
vs
1 quest with Anduin and a bit on Argus.


Hero's: With good recent story telling. Or potential to grow.
Horde has Saurfang, Baine, Lor'themar, Sylvanna's, Naltheaos, Mayla, Thalyssra
vs
Anduin, Alleria...and then 5 ragers that are pretty much the same charchter over and over: Greyman, proudmoore, malfurion, tyrande.


Raids:
Horde (or horde race focused) SoO ( mop), Every god damm raid in WoD, Nighhold , ToS ( legion)
vs
Alliance: EN


Wishlist allied races:
Horde would have like: yup
Upright trolls: yup
Upright orcs: yup
Different color orcs: yup
Z-trolls: yup
+ bonus
High elves
Druid forms ( new ones)

vs
high elves: Nope
Broken: Nope
Cool epic kul tiran race: Nope ugly humans with weak druid forms.
Di dwarfs: yup
+ bonus
We got dreanei with lightbulbs you can not even see ( worse then HM tauren),
and void elves who are a joke ( like for real a joke) . Their own silly's make jokes about what a joke they are :P



BFA: ( what i have hear. and played my self so far)
Horde has long good storylines. With a lot of epic stuff in it. Good quests etc. Zones are a bit less. Great quests.
vs
Alliance has half assed storylines. A lot does not fit into each other ( storywise). Barely anything epic. We get to meet Azshara....again...like she is going to be a big part...not. Quests are boring old fashion quests. I have even done duplicate quests :S:S. Zones look a bit better. And we have collect or kills quests in truck loads instead of nice story ones.


oooh and spoilers: 1 dungeon is a ( partly ) successful raid on our new hub....so yeah..

to name a few things. So yeah...its decently balanced...

Honestly i would add chronicles giving over half the raid credit to horde with barely any credit to alliance or teamups. I mean more then a few i get but a few at least had alliance buildup but nope horde.

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The last time the Horde and the Alliance went to war, the Horde fell apart and the Alliance sacked our capital. How can you say you didn't win a major conflict when the last time there was a major conflict the Alliance won?

It has taken years for the Horde to recover from the last war.

And getting the High Elves back on your side isn't going to fix the issues you feel the Alliance has. In fact, hoping for something that clearly isn't going to happen means you've set an impossible bar for yourself, that the Alliance will only be good once it attains the unattainable.

The Alliance player base needs to let the High Elves go and focus on meaningful and achievable requests.

How can we get back what is already part of the alliance?