Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Highwhale]

yeah they have a reason inlore to look different, not what happen to high elves

So you agree magic addiction feeding can physically change elf.

"stop practicing magic" don't mean they would stop consuming magic, if a elf stop use magic sure they would change but would be like a Withered version

Except Highvale come back to NELF path by finding peace with nature and controlling their magic hunger with meditation. They even took some lessons from Wildhammer dwarves. Enough reason to have different from BELF body.

yeah now i know you are just trying to mock up, evolution explain itself

More like let "evolution" explain shit I can't?

it like when you ask for people explain why the homo sapiens is not like the neanderthal or a specie behind, and you just say "you cant explain" just because you can't understand

More like I can't find legit reason I just start talking about some shit that hopefully explain my position since I myself can't. Also I always right. Hush.

You funny guy Sigfried. Never saw person who pull so many shit out of his ass and constantly trying to derail opponents arguments.

[Sorrior]

i said "a version of it" not literally one, you can't just overcome the addict of "eating" or "drinking water", elves need to consume magic to survive, they can control for a while, but after that the symptoms would show up, and like i said, more skinny, more pale, and white eyes ( cause no magic) would make totally sense for elves who stop consuming magic, this maybe could turn then into a different specie

but people don't want then, they want the HE version improved

cause if you remove the source of power of an elf, he became more buffy, and psychically stronger, without logic at all

No WITH logic. They are not using magic to do as many things for them anymore so they rely more on physical things whiich WOULD result in a bulkier build. Not necessarily a drastic one but it would change them.

Last i checked withered abd nightfallen never did anything but try to find their next fix it is completely opposite routes

[protip]

Sygfried care to eloborate what mutation allows Zandalari have straight back and what don't allow to Dark Spear to have one?

That and Kul'tirans are different because they exist within the same faction as their counterparts. They're just customization and class options locked behind an allied race. If you want an example that is relevant, the only cross faction allied races are Nightborne and Void Elves. The distinction with the elf allied races is primarily in theme; light versus dark, nature versus arcane. They're not just different, but opposite.

[Syegfryed]

So you agree magic addiction feeding can physically change elf.

depends, obviously

Except Highvale come back to NELF path by finding peace with nature and controlling their magic hunger with meditation. They even took some lessons from Wildhammer dwarves. Enough reason to have different from BELF body.

again, you have proof that they stop consuming magic? stop being mages i know they stopped, but i didn't read nothing about stop consuming magic

magic is the power source of all this breed of elves, its in their physiology, you don't just cut that without having sequelae, and the sequelae would be the things i said, are you ok with that? cause i am

More like let "evolution" explain shit I can't?

??? lmao

More like I can't find legit reason I just start talking about some shit that hopefully explain my position since I myself can't. Also I always right. Hush.

You funny guy Sigfried. Never saw person who pull so many shit out of his ass and constantly trying to derail opponents arguments.

son, a species evolved from common ancestors, zandalari trolls are the common ancestors of all trolls, trough the years group of trolls are kicked out of zandalari, those trolls suffered mutation, they suffer natural selection, they are effected by the ambient

stop being dense and trying to derail the subject because you are ignorant about

and if you wanna see a person who pull more, you can look at a mirror, cause it exactly what you are doing since you come to the thread, lmao

[Highwhale]

That and Kul'tirans are different because they exist within the same faction as their counterparts. They're just customization and class options locked behind an allied race. If you want an example that is relevant, the only cross faction allied races are Nightborne and Void Elves. The distinction with the elf allied races is primarily in theme; light versus dark, nature versus arcane. They're not just different, but opposite.

Since when Arcane is opposite to Nature?

Also how Highvale elves who dropped magic couldn't be BELF counter who completely relies on magic in your vision?

[Syegfryed]

No WITH logic. They are not using magic to do as many things for them anymore so they rely more on physical things whiich WOULD result in a bulkier build. Not necessarily a drastic one but it would change them.

and again, this don't make sense at all, cause there are blood elves who do the same

and if you get cut by you source of power, you become weak, not more bulky

Last i checked withered abd nightfallen never did anything but try to find their next fix it is completely opposite routes

what

[Sorrior]

Since when Arcane is opposite to Nature?

Also how Highvale elves who dropped magic couldn't be BELF counter who completely relies on magic in your vision?

My thoughts too honestly. It is like the difference between two types of battlemages. You have the ones who favor physical prowess over magic using it to augment their battle skills in melee(common image spellswords or magic knights) vs the ones who weave long range spells of immense power but CAN do melee just rather not.

Two similar yet opposite approaches to a similar end goal.

[Highwhale]

depends, obviously

More like "if it fits my opinion" right?

again, you have proof that they stop consuming magic? stop being mages i know they stopped, but i didn't read nothing about stop consuming magic

Why they needed to feeding their hunger with magic if they stopped using it LMAO. Also read Warcraft Manga about Highvale elves.

son, a species evolved from common ancestors, zandalari trolls are the common ancestors of all trolls, trough the years group of trolls are kicked out of zandalari, those trolls suffered mutation, they suffer natural selection, they are effected by the ambient

stop being dense and trying to derail the subject because you are ignorant about

Nice copy paste. Still its not explain my question.

[Sorrior]

and again, this don't make sense at all, cause there are blood elves who do the same

and if you get cut by you source of power, you become weak, not more bulky

what

Heh ok let me put it another way

The withered as i recall were considered pests scavenging for mana. The nightfallen we met(and didn't give mana too) would do ANYTHING for a fix like a drug addict.

As for power sources my point is they pushed through the addiction and possibly still have some mana they feed on they just don't outright need it anymore.

Instead they focus on the physical using magic at most to supplement it a bit. Not as a orimary source.

You seem to have this idea in your head they either would leave all magic or not have found a substitute.

You also seem to ignore how little willpower the withered and nightfallen have. The willpower and ability/willimgness to endure pain to stick to their pribciples is to me at least the biggest differences between HE and BE

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More like "if it fits my opinion" right?



Why they needed to feeding their hunger with magic if they stopped using it LMAO. Also read Warcraft Manga about Highvale elves.



Nice copy paste. Still its not explain my question.

Still not read them despiye having them for years lol. I just saw it as finding a substitute/not needing it anymore tbh. Or learmed to make do with FAR FAR less

[Gentlepenguin]

Time 8:38 - to pretty much end of video.

This is why I enjoy Taliesin & Evitel. They come off as the more neutral everyman and are good at looking into why it is that people do the things they do, whether it's why Blizzard makes GCD changes or why people request High Elves or anything really.

I believe his response on the High Elf Q&A part is how I imagine myself to be about the whole thing, he just does it a lot more eloquently. ^_^

Have you...watched the video? This is far from the pro-HE opinion beyond the arguments he makes (repeats from last video). He is otherwise saying he accepts Ion's reasoning, because it's valid, and that high elves will never happen after void elves.

[Goldielocks]

Preferences matter when you are the developer, facts matter whoever you are, if developers do things that doesn't back up we are free to point it out despite you like it or not, am i being clear enought?

I'm gonna still play this game even if developers say right away that there's no HE ever, and i'm gonna still be a great and proud BE if HE got added, not everyone is biased like you.

Except that your POV is just you assuming you’re factually correct. Right. Of course you are.

Also calling me biased is just you proving that you’re a salty fuck lmao

[Syegfryed]

More like "if it fits my opinion" right?

no, its more like "if its fits the lore"

Why they needed to feeding their hunger with magic if they stopped using it LMAO. Also read Warcraft Manga about Highvale elves.

you feed your hunger not because you always need to use, warriors and rangers don't use magic, but they need to consume to maintain themselves, again its elf physiology

Nice copy paste. Still its not explain my question.

more like "i can't understand so it don't explain" cause it explain pretty well, races evolve, trolls evolved from zandalari. you don't need to be a genius to understand the concept

[Highwhale]

Still not read them despiye having them for years lol. I just saw it as finding a substitute/not needing it anymore tbh. Or learmed to make do with FAR FAR less

TBH they not so good. Their main value is that they still considered as lore canon. For example Warcraft RPG book much more interesting read but was de canonized.

[Aldo Hawk]

Except that your POV is just you assuming you’re factually correct. Right. Of course you are.

Also calling me biased is just you proving that you’re a salty fuck lmao

I'm not assuming it, i am because i can proove it with facts, can you say the same?

And if you are biased because you clearly are... well, this is more about you being pissy because i called you on that.

[Sorrior]

no, its more like "if its fits the lore"


you feed your hunger not because you always need to use, warriors and rangers don't use magic, but they need to consume to maintain themselves, again its elf physiology



more like "i can't understand so it don't explain" cause it explain pretty well, races evolve, trolls evolved from zandalari. you don't need to be a genius to understand the concept

If what he memtioned if the manga is true theeen in lpre you are wrong.

And even if wrong you CAN still learn to need less. That is the difference..plus i think you cannot see how much HE have changed from BE culturally as the game has gone on.

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TBH they not so good. Their main value is that they still considered as lore canon. For example Warcraft RPG book much more interesting read but was de canonized.

I figured i granbed em in my warcraft/anime obsessed days..gods so long ago.

[Syegfryed]

Heh ok let me put it another way

The withered as i recall were considered pests scavenging for mana. The nightfallen we met(and didn't give mana too) would do ANYTHING for a fix like a drug addict.

because their addiction to the nightwell was way worse than the elves with the sunwell

thats why they would not become exactly like then, just a " version"of it. That is to ilustrade what would happen to an elf without his source of power, high elves with no magic would become more fragile, less bulky, skinny, have white eyes, cause this are the effects of being cut of from their source of magic.

this is something who already begin to happen with the elves in the frozen throne campaign without the sunwell.

As for power sources my point is they pushed through the addiction and possibly still have some mana they feed on they just don't outright need it anymore.

Instead they focus on the physical using magic at most to supplement it a bit. Not as a orimary source.

and again, this happens already with warrior and ranger elves, they just use the necessary

You seem to have this idea in your head they either would leave all magic or not have found a substitute.

if they found a substitute they would not be different anymore

You also seem to ignore how little willpower the withered and nightfallen have. The willpower and ability/willimgness to endure pain to stick to their pribciples is to me at least the biggest differences between HE and BE

thats not relevant the changes are beyond willpower

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If what he memtioned if the manga is true theeen in lpre you are wrong.

again, there is a different of using magic and consuming magic.

one of the characters is a mage, she just learn with a human, how she could be a mage, if she have no source of magic?

And even if wrong you CAN still learn to need less. That is the difference..plus i think you cannot see how much HE have changed from BE culturally as the game has gone on.

even if need less the point still stand, they would be more weak and fragile, not bulky

[Goldielocks]

I'm not assuming it, i am because i can proove it with facts, can you say the same?

And if you are biased because you clearly are... well, this is more about you being pissy because i called you on that.

There are no facts for you to use. The devs' main reason for not adding HE is that they don't want to blur faction lines. Regardless of what you or I believe, what negative effects that might bring, it's still inherently a preference. Since when can you prove that wrong?

Time to come to reality, pal.

[Sorrior]

because their addiction to the nightwell was way worse, to the elves with the sunwell

thats why they would not become exactly like then, just a " version", that is to ilustrade what would hapen to an elf without his soruce of power, high elves with no magic would become more fragile, less bulky, skinny, have white eyes, cause this are the effect of being cut of from their source of magic

this is something who already begin to happen with the elves in the frozen throne campaign without the sunwell.


and again, this happens already with warrior and ranger elves, they just use



if they found a substitute they would not be different anymore




thats not relevant the changes are beyond willpower

Uh huh... You do realize the way a being reacts to addiction and wothdrawal can play a large impact yes?

Frankly outside of apparently the manga we have not seen elves who distance themselves from mana while retaining themselves(and btw yeah at first you might be weaker called withdrawal) but after you can become more. It never finishes if you keep feeding(and as was mentioned and i did not know before some elves did fully stop)

Annd ranger/warrior be are not a big thing outside certain areas to be. Hell be couldn't even BE warriors till cata.

HE though with less emphasis on magic? Oh they would be MUCH bigger deals then for BE(Whose city guards are spellbreakers and have a few farstrider outpists but overall seem to have dropped rangers as a primary battle force)

The HE i see using rangers and warriors alot more. A he mage would probably be rarer then a warrior or ranger these days.

Ya know the opposite of be

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There are no facts for you to use. The devs' main reason for not adding HE is that they don't want to blur faction lines. Regardless of what you or I believe, what negative effects that might bring, it's still inherently a preference. Since when can you prove that wrong?

Time to come to reality, pal.

Yeeah like devs don't change when a few years ago tjey were designing playable high elves for fun.

It can just as easily go back to being a thing as easily as it stopped being one.

[Highwhale]

Annd ranger/warrior be are not a big thing outside certain areas to be. Hell be couldn't even BE warriors till cata.

HE though with less emphasis on magic? Oh they would be MUCH nigger deals then for BE(Whose city guards are spellbreakers and have a few farstrider outpists but overall seem to have dropped rangers as a primary battle force)

The HE i see using rangers and warriors alot more. A he mage would probably be rarer then a warrior or ranger these days.

He imply magic can be used only in combat when every single BELF have Arcane Torrent as racial. LMAO. This dude is his own walking universe.

[Goldielocks]

Yeeah like devs don't change when a few years ago tjey were designing playable high elves for fun.

It can just as easily go back to being a thing as easily as it stopped being one.

They've kept the same opinion on this since 2005, but by all means continue believing an impossibility if it helps you sleep at night.