1. #3801
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Yet those of us opposed to Alliance High Elves warned that the pro High Elf position rested on persuading Blizzard to implement a gigantic retcon, that the High Elves were a more populous and relevant group than Blizzard has said they are.

    So yes, the lore arguments weren't relevant once Blizzard decided to maintain the faction wall, as a retcon would not be required.
    Well the silver covenant and vereesa arent a giant retcon.
    He completely ignored everything they were included ingame.
    I know you would ignore as well, but you and me are players, we arent spokesmen of the company. Its a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protip View Post
    He was kind of diplomatic, when he said, "anything is possible in the future." If you take that in context with the fact that he said they had no plans to add high elves and several reasons they felt it was a bad idea, it's really nothing more than a platitude.
    Well, everything is opened for the future means exactly what it means. They can come or wont come in future expansions. It is a form of diplomacy, yes, but it was the only diplomatic part of the whole statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    Not as much being changed as you think a
    Except for the whole sleeping with humans and being humble really only is a Vereesa/Alleria thing, nothing shows the average high elf is willing to discard their traditions to the extent people are now suggesting they should just to fit their "Please let us play them" mold.

    B I HAVE BLOOD ELF CHARACTERS i really do not know how often i have to say that
    Then you should already be satisfied.

    And "the horde is their for you" is such a bullshit answer a 12 year old(arguable the nost immature age fir a human) coukd come up with better and something more mature.
    Again, you are not owed high elves, you never were.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    @Zorish i think you made some enemies

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDaz View Post
    Well his answer did leave hope for the future.
    I cant remember exactly the words but i quoted them in page 120sh of this thread. It said sonething like everything is possible for the future.

    Although you think it was kindness, for high elf supporters it felt insulting as if they were being mocked by the game director. In his position he should have a more diplomatic approach to these subjects.

    But again this is my opinion.
    I thought he was reasonable. He left no ambiguity in his answer and laid out exactly why it wasn't going to happen. That he didn't die their hands forever and ever is not sign they may rethink the issue someday, but more hedging against a currently unforeseen circumstance that might cause them to re-evaluate.

    Nothing short of a yes or a maybe in a future expansion would have been satisfactory. He came to deliver a 'no' and that was always going to be poorly received.

    And yes, it was a kindness. A tough love kindness. Look at the amount of effort Traycor put into his designs. Look at what the writers of the open letter to Blizzard talks about, skipping classes and deadlines to manage this cause.

    Some people may say that is passion, and it is, but it's passion in pursuit of something that is never going to happen. As such, it's just a dreadful waste of effort and emotional investment.

    Hopefully there are those on the pro High Elf side who have now understood that this isn't going to happen, that they have found closure and that they can move on to either enjoying other aspects of the game or enjoying other games if High Elves were such an important goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDaz View Post
    Well the silver covenant and vereesa arent a giant retcon.
    He completely ignored everything they were included ingame.
    I know you would ignore as well, but you and me are players, we arent spokesmen of the company. Its a big difference.
    Yet the Silver Covenant are clearly what they appear to be. A small militia of surviving High Elves gathered by Veressa that serves Dalaran and has been used as a story tool by Blizzard to further the Blood Elf storyline and Jaina's plotline.

    While some players may complain that they were shoved in their face every expansion, Blizzard probably felt they had a story they wanted to tell and they weren't beholden to players misinterpreting what the Silver Covenant was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    I thought he was reasonable. He left no ambiguity in his answer and laid out exactly why it wasn't going to happen. That he didn't die their hands forever and ever is not sign they may rethink the issue someday, but more hedging against a currently unforeseen circumstance that might cause them to re-evaluate.

    Nothing short of a yes or a maybe in a future expansion would have been satisfactory. He came to deliver a 'no' and that was always going to be poorly received.

    And yes, it was a kindness. A tough love kindness. Look at the amount of effort Traycor put into his designs. Look at what the writers of the open letter to Blizzard talks about, skipping classes and deadlines to manage this cause.

    Some people may say that is passion, and it is, but it's passion in pursuit of something that is never going to happen. As such, it's just a dreadful waste of effort and emotional investment.

    Hopefully there are those on the pro High Elf side who have now understood that this isn't going to happen, that they have found closure and that they can move on to either enjoying other aspects of the game or enjoying other games if High Elves were such an important goal.
    You're fooling yourself, but I admire your optimism to think that the people who haven't given up at this point are going to give up now.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Numbers mean everything. Ion brought up numbers AGAIN when talking about High Elves. And it's not just that he mentioned it for the second time, but that this is the fifth or sixth time since WoW's launch a Blizzard source has mentioned population numbers as a negative reason for adding Alliance High Elves.

    Clearly there is something to it regarding the Alliance High Elves if Blizzard is so persistent in bringing it up.
    and you still take his word as holy when you can clearly see that he is wrong about numbers, because there is far less void elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Except for the whole sleeping with humans and being humble really only is a Vereesa/Alleria thing, nothing shows the average high elf is willing to discard their traditions to the extent people are now suggesting they should just to fit their "Please let us play them" mold.



    Then you should already be satisfied.



    Again, you are not owed high elves, you never were.
    You just don't get WHY people want high elves is the issue here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    and you still take his word as holy when you can clearly see that he is wrong about numbers, because there is far less void elves
    Void elves can grow in number, void elves have a distinct culture and aren't "Majestic, blonde etc."

    You're not getting white pale elves (unless you roll Horde.) Perhaps you should ask for things that are possible instead?

    If Horde players were asking for playable humans like Anduin they would be met with the same flat no from Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    You just don't get WHY people want high elves is the issue here
    Oh I understand why, and I've said before it doesn't matter, not in a two faction game.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  9. #3809
    Quote Originally Posted by Evilfish View Post
    Well to be blunt, they deserve it. It's been over a fucking decade and now with the addition of Velfs these people not only cry harder but become hostile. Frankly in Ion's place I wouldn't have bothered with an answer.
    Can you blame them? The community never asked for Void Elves, and to be frank, their inclusion over High Elves is rather insulting (especially with the BS excuses against High Elves).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Void elves can grow in number, void elves have a distinct culture and aren't "Majestic, blonde etc."

    You're not getting white pale elves (unless you roll Horde.) Perhaps you should ask for things that are possible instead?

    If Horde players were asking for playable humans like Anduin they would be met with the same flat no from Blizzard.
    Oh another one who tells me they can grow in number.. tell me the whole process and i decide based on sources, if you are just headcanoning or not

    Also void elves were blood elves yesterday, there is no distinct culture, even high elves had more time

    Why would people ask for humans in the horde?
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  11. #3811
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    @Zorish i think you made some enemies

    https://i.imgur.com/OxoK6RR.png
    muhah. didn't saw that. well they probably contacted mod of this forum and i was asked to stop this. so - who is interested in their "discussion", sadly you must join their discord and read it yourself.

  12. #3812
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    I thought he was reasonable. He left no ambiguity in his answer and laid out exactly why it wasn't going to happen. That he didn't die their hands forever and ever is not sign they may rethink the issue someday, but more hedging against a currently unforeseen circumstance that might cause them to re-evaluate.

    Nothing short of a yes or a maybe in a future expansion would have been satisfactory. He came to deliver a 'no' and that was always going to be poorly received.

    And yes, it was a kindness. A tough love kindness. Look at the amount of effort Traycor put into his designs. Look at what the writers of the open letter to Blizzard talks about, skipping classes and deadlines to manage this cause.

    Some people may say that is passion, and it is, but it's passion in pursuit of something that is never going to happen. As such, it's just a dreadful waste of effort and emotional investment.

    Hopefully there are those on the pro High Elf side who have now understood that this isn't going to happen, that they have found closure and that they can move on to either enjoying other aspects of the game or enjoying other games if High Elves were such an important goal.

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    Yet the Silver Covenant are clearly what they appear to be. A small militia of surviving High Elves gathered by Veressa that serves Dalaran and has been used as a story tool by Blizzard to further the Blood Elf storyline and Jaina's plotline.

    While some players may complain that they were shoved in their face every expansion, Blizzard probably felt they had a story they wanted to tell and they weren't beholden to players misinterpreting what the Silver Covenant was.
    I honestly cant see any kindness on what and how he said it.
    And he did leave ambiguity for the future
    And as you said blizzard felt they had a story to tell for the silver covenant for many expansions. Ion completely ignored its relevance, which is one of the reasons high elf fans werent happy at all

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    Ion could literally say “High Elves are never going to happen for the Alliance in the way you wish for them.” and people would still argue that he’s being misinterpreted. Aren’t you guys exhausted of arguing about this by now?
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  14. #3814
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    Oh another one who tells me they can grow in number.. tell me the whole process and i decide based on sources, if you are just headcanoning or not

    Also void elves were blood elves yesterday, there is no distinct culture, even high elves had more time

    Why would people ask for humans in the horde?
    I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to grow in number. It's true that they were initially created by a one time event, but Illidan becoming a demon hunter was also a process that wasn't repeatable, and they just found a different way. We have no lore specifically saying that it's not repeatable, and since they're a playable race, they're not going anywhere.

    That's not to say I have any opinion on whether Void Elves or High Elves have a greater population, just saying that I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation for there to be more Void Elves created in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    @Zorish i think you made some enemies

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    Dear god, what is going on ? I mean it feels like messing with cult or something.

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    WAIT EVERYONE.

    We should let them have high elves. Why you may ask? So blizzard wastes an allied race slot that a minority wants and instead they will give us Vulpera and Sneks(which is highly likely for the alliance.) That way horde has two cool allied races! Let's campaign for it Sethrak for the horde! Plus it will get rid of all the blood elves who are not dedicated to the horde.
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  17. #3817
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    The last time the Horde and the Alliance went to war, the Horde fell apart and the Alliance sacked our capital. How can you say you didn't win a major conflict when the last time there was a major conflict the Alliance won?
    I never said "I didn't win a major conflict. I was talking about the general perception of players regarding the Alliance in WoW vs WC2/3. Maybe try to actually read and understand what people mean before falsely accusing them of saying things they never said.

    As for SoO that was a combined effort by Horde and Alliance which was very clear from the quest where Alliance players had to ask/beg Vol'jin if they could join the Darkspear Rebellion.

    Most people that play WoW (and Warcraft 2 and 3 before) base their perception on what they see in the game. They don't read the books or wowpedia.

    What was visible in MoP for players was a crater where Theramore used to be. What was not visible for players was a destroyed Oggrimar after SoO. These kind of things color people's perceptions/memories a lot more than someone from Blizzard telling Alliance players that SoO is a great "fist-pumping" moment for them since that is not their memory of SoO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    It has taken years for the Horde to recover from the last war.
    I guess it was terrible for Horde players to have to walk everywhere on foot because flight-paths didn't work and their mounts had starved from lack of food

    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    And getting the High Elves back on your side isn't going to fix the issues you feel the Alliance has. In fact, hoping for something that clearly isn't going to happen means you've set an impossible bar for yourself, that the Alliance will only be good once it attains the unattainable.
    I never said High Elves would fix any issues.

    It should be clear to anyone who follows the "discussions" here and on the official forums that the request for playable High Elves is mostly driven by nostalgic feeling towards High Elves in WC2/3 (and LOTR/Tolkien), not lore/facts.

    Part of that nostalgia stems from the fact that in the RTS games the player always won (eventually ). Since there were High Elven units in both WC2 and 3 on the Alliance side people have a more positive connotation with them than with Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes and Night-Elves who have all changed compared to WC2&3.

    The lore/historical accuracy of their (childhood) memories of WC2/3 is not really important to them but you are right that playable High Elves wouldn't change anything because the romantic feeling towards them would very quickly be lost once people realize it doesn't really change their game experience.

    Pandaren are a good example/warning. They were one of the most requested playable race for years and Blizzard didn't dare give them to a single faction but currently they seem to be one of the least played races per faction.

  18. #3818
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorrior View Post
    You put ALOT of words in my mouth. I desire them only so much as i desire more choices.

    If ion gave a REAL reason not to have them i would accept it as is it is bs reasons won't suffice.

    And yeah they stick out more because they are their at EVERY CRITICAL JUNCTION AND BATTLE

    They do show up more with their own areas then any other race i know of post bc. Mixed groups sure a few dark irons? Yeah but they have been here for some time and again HE ARE NOT BE they have fundamental differences

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    Not as much being changed as you think a

    B I HAVE BLOOD ELF CHARACTERS i really do not know how often i have to say that

    And "the horde is their for you" is such a bullshit answer a 12 year old(arguable the nost immature age fir a human) coukd come up with better and something more mature.
    I conpletely agree with you.
    That is why i made my new signature so no one can throw me "the horde is waiting for you" joke.

    I have void elves and blood elves and i still want old fan favorite alliance high elves (and undead elves too) because of lore reasons and because i think they would bring interesting stories to the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorish View Post
    muhah. didn't saw that. well they probably contacted mod of this forum and i was asked to stop this. so - who is interested in their "discussion", sadly you must join their discord and read it yourself.
    i already have some informants there, or maybe im already there too? but you know, we can always use the private messages wink wink

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Dear god, what is going on ? I mean it feels like messing with cult or something.
    the cult was going on for about... 5 months i guess? i think it was a bit after they started the organized spam in the GD

    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    We should let them have high elves. Why you may ask? So blizzard wastes an allied race slot that a minority wants and instead they will give us Vulpera and Sneks(which is highly likely for the alliance.) That way horde has two cool allied races! Let's campaign for it Sethrak for the horde! Plus it will get rid of all the blood elves who are not dedicated to the horde.
    i already tough about this as well, but the cry will just change, now we would listen for more years of horde bais and favoritism cause alliance get a copy paste and a horde get a new race, so they will demand another race, staying with one more, so it will be fair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the cult was going on for about... 5 months i guess? i think it was a bit after they started the organized spam in the GD
    *Speaks about high elves in butchered latin*

    This cult needs to be stopped !

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