Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Garfurion]

The last time the Horde and the Alliance went to war, the Horde fell apart and the Alliance sacked our capital. How can you say you didn't win a major conflict when the last time there was a major conflict the Alliance won?

I never said "I didn't win a major conflict. I was talking about the general perception of players regarding the Alliance in WoW vs WC2/3. Maybe try to actually read and understand what people mean before falsely accusing them of saying things they never said.

As for SoO that was a combined effort by Horde and Alliance which was very clear from the quest where Alliance players had to ask/beg Vol'jin if they could join the Darkspear Rebellion.

Most people that play WoW (and Warcraft 2 and 3 before) base their perception on what they see in the game. They don't read the books or wowpedia.

What was visible in MoP for players was a crater where Theramore used to be. What was not visible for players was a destroyed Oggrimar after SoO. These kind of things color people's perceptions/memories a lot more than someone from Blizzard telling Alliance players that SoO is a great "fist-pumping" moment for them since that is not their memory of SoO.

It has taken years for the Horde to recover from the last war.

I guess it was terrible for Horde players to have to walk everywhere on foot because flight-paths didn't work and their mounts had starved from lack of food

And getting the High Elves back on your side isn't going to fix the issues you feel the Alliance has. In fact, hoping for something that clearly isn't going to happen means you've set an impossible bar for yourself, that the Alliance will only be good once it attains the unattainable.

I never said High Elves would fix any issues.

It should be clear to anyone who follows the "discussions" here and on the official forums that the request for playable High Elves is mostly driven by nostalgic feeling towards High Elves in WC2/3 (and LOTR/Tolkien), not lore/facts.

Part of that nostalgia stems from the fact that in the RTS games the player always won (eventually ). Since there were High Elven units in both WC2 and 3 on the Alliance side people have a more positive connotation with them than with Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes and Night-Elves who have all changed compared to WC2&3.

The lore/historical accuracy of their (childhood) memories of WC2/3 is not really important to them but you are right that playable High Elves wouldn't change anything because the romantic feeling towards them would very quickly be lost once people realize it doesn't really change their game experience.

Pandaren are a good example/warning. They were one of the most requested playable race for years and Blizzard didn't dare give them to a single faction but currently they seem to be one of the least played races per faction.

[RangerDaz]

You put ALOT of words in my mouth. I desire them only so much as i desire more choices.

If ion gave a REAL reason not to have them i would accept it as is it is bs reasons won't suffice.

And yeah they stick out more because they are their at EVERY CRITICAL JUNCTION AND BATTLE

They do show up more with their own areas then any other race i know of post bc. Mixed groups sure a few dark irons? Yeah but they have been here for some time and again HE ARE NOT BE they have fundamental differences

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Not as much being changed as you think a

B I HAVE BLOOD ELF CHARACTERS i really do not know how often i have to say that

And "the horde is their for you" is such a bullshit answer a 12 year old(arguable the nost immature age fir a human) coukd come up with better and something more mature.

I conpletely agree with you.
That is why i made my new signature so no one can throw me "the horde is waiting for you" joke.

I have void elves and blood elves and i still want old fan favorite alliance high elves (and undead elves too) because of lore reasons and because i think they would bring interesting stories to the game.

[Syegfryed]

muhah. didn't saw that. well they probably contacted mod of this forum and i was asked to stop this. so - who is interested in their "discussion", sadly you must join their discord and read it yourself.

i already have some informants there, or maybe im already there too? but you know, we can always use the private messages wink wink

Dear god, what is going on ? I mean it feels like messing with cult or something.

the cult was going on for about... 5 months i guess? i think it was a bit after they started the organized spam in the GD

We should let them have high elves. Why you may ask? So blizzard wastes an allied race slot that a minority wants and instead they will give us Vulpera and Sneks(which is highly likely for the alliance.) That way horde has two cool allied races! Let's campaign for it Sethrak for the horde! Plus it will get rid of all the blood elves who are not dedicated to the horde.

i already tough about this as well, but the cry will just change, now we would listen for more years of horde bais and favoritism cause alliance get a copy paste and a horde get a new race, so they will demand another race, staying with one more, so it will be fair

[Arrashi]

the cult was going on for about... 5 months i guess? i think it was a bit after they started the organized spam in the GD

*Speaks about high elves in butchered latin*

This cult needs to be stopped !

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i already have some informants there, but you know, we can always use the private messages wink wink



the cult was going on for about... 5 months i guess? i think it was a bit after they started the organized spam in the GD



i already tough about this as well, but the cry will just change, now we would listen for more years of horde bais and favoritism cause alliance get a copy paste and a horde get a new race, so they will demand another race, staying with one more, so it will be fair

Well they gotta deal with it they are asking for a copy and paste race. They can have wild hammer dwarves or something for their second one. In the end that's the price for having a second blood elf model on the alliance.

Oh wait or perhaps Eredar? Eredar would be cool.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Oh another one who tells me they can grow in number.. tell me the whole process and i decide based on sources, if you are just headcanoning or not

Also void elves were blood elves yesterday, there is no distinct culture, even high elves had more time

Why would people ask for humans in the horde?

Because some humans helped the Old Horde.

Void elves on day one of their creation had more culture than high elves, who had none other than clinging to human legs. The fact that they have recruits in the rift shows they are already growing in number.

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Because some humans helped the Old Horde.

Void elves on day one of their creation had more culture than high elves, who had none other than clinging to human legs. The fact that they have recruits in the rift shows they are already growing in number.

If this image is not enough for them to take the hint nothing will. I can see a lot of high elves drinking the void kool-aid. Blizzard did not place them there for no reason but you know people like to ignore it.



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If this image is not enough for them to take the hint nothing will. I can see a lot of high elves drinking the void kool-aid. Blizzard did not place them there for no reason but you know people like to ignore it.

headcanon, next

Because some humans helped the Old Horde.

they dont exist in modern horde, as opposed to high elves, who indeed exist in the alliance, duh

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headcanon, next



they dont exist in modern horde, as opposed to high elves, who indeed exist in the alliance, duh

LOL headcanon. Elves now have a haven where they can study the void without persecution and Anduin endorses this.



I am sure she is there for the cool view.

[Friendlyimmolation]

they dont exist in modern horde, as opposed to high elves, who indeed exist in the alliance, duh

Who exist as a fraction of the main race.

Again, you do not deserve high elves, nor is Blizzard expected to cater to you being unable to move on with the story.


You talk of headcanon and yet pretend as if high elves are something you are owed.

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LOL headcanon. Elves now have a haven where they can study the void without persecution and Anduin endorses this.



I am sure she is there for the cool view.

Hey i study fel, now i am fel soaked demon, because reasons and something about kool aid

You and others cant simply see the difference between
getting transformed by ethereal - void elves
and
absorbing void energy - alleria (who maintained her high elven appearance)

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Hey i study fel, now i am fel soaked demon, because reasons and something about kool aid

Right so a group of elves learning at the feet of Locus walker in the very den of the void elves. Hmmm I wonder what's going on there from a narrative standpoint? I wonder how on EARTH the void elves are going to increase their numbers?

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Right so a group of elves learning at the feet of Locus walker in the very den of the void elves. Hmmm I wonder what's going on there from a narrative standpoint? I wonder how on EARTH the void elves are going to increase their numbers?

yes, because locus walker can replicate that transformation ritual and alleria cam interrupt it at the exact same time as she did for the first time, so these new recruits will become void elves and not void blobs

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Who exist as a fraction of the main race.

Again, you do not deserve high elves, nor is Blizzard expected to cater to you being unable to move on with the story.


You talk of headcanon and yet pretend as if high elves are something you are owed.

You are the only one who is talking about owing.. But i guess you are not here for discussion, carry on, find another victim, i am done, you cant even answer questions and mixing apples and potatoes.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ahhh, if only Ion, blessed he be, how I wish he had given his negative answer while he at least acknowledged the points raised by the pro-Helf side. Instead, he literally just repeated what he said back in November -which on itself sparked the discussion- disregarding the last 6 months of discussions about the issue. Fastest way to piss off a fraction of the audience that we can all agree is very vocal.

You can either double down on your original argumentation -the one that sparked these few last months of yelling in the first place lets remember- or at least take into account what the feedback said on the last 6 months even if your answer is still no. And I still believe the later would have been by far the better option.

NOTE: This is all based on the premise that High Elves are just not gonna happen for the alliance, that's said and done. But this show us how dispensable feedback from their audience is for WoW. And before you go "High Elves are a stupid issue" that's the point, it goes beyond how pointless you perceive the request to be, Blizzard is a company that SHOULD WANT to be respectful of their audience, not a single person giving/agreeing with an opinion. This is wholly a PR issue at this point, and no matter how vindicated some of you feel by Ion's answer, some of you seem not to understand that a company should be appeasing of its audience instead of simply alienating it.

But Alas. Ion said nothing new, offered no new insights of their reasons or what the future holds for Alliance High Elves. Just no. For me, that's enough, but even for me, I can't help to say his answer was mishandled, regardless of the decision, but how he approached the request. He just doesn't seem to understand that is more than just about a "fair skinned, blonde, blue eyed elf" and that "the horde is waiting for you."

And that honestly, just pisses on the reason why people want to play High Elves, regardless that Ion and some of you misunderstand.

So what can we do? Just expect that BfA is so good that it just pushes the High Elf issue on the wayside? Or so bad that HE are the least of issues to worry? Certainly I wish for this whole thing blows up someday.

And personally, that they DO something about the Silver Covenant cause I just want a pay off for that. Void them? (Ohh "Void Covenant") Kill them? reveal next expansion that they are actually mostly Half Elves and make them playable? Honestly I'd love the third one, but at this point I settle for ANY resolution, instead of them remaining the unplayable elephant in the room.

[Traveler Voltin]

should just split the silver covenant into 2 groups and make them disappear. ones that will turn into void elves and the ones that decide its better to rejoin their home with the blood elves.

[Sigxy]

should just split the silver covenant into 2 groups and make them disappear. ones that will turn into void elves and the ones that decide its better to rejoin their home with the blood elves.

Totally agree with this.

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should just split the silver covenant into 2 groups and make them disappear. ones that will turn into void elves and the ones that decide its better to rejoin their home with the blood elves.

It would not surprise me if Blizzard does this. Because right now they are making blood elves the "light" elves. Or they might decide to kill them all.

[Syegfryed]

Ahhh, if only Ion, blessed he be, how I wish he had given his negative answer while he at least acknowledged the points raised by the pro-Helf side.

are we implying now that he didn't acknowledged?

Instead, he literally just repeated what he said back in November -which on itself sparked the discussion- disregarding the last 6 months of discussions about the issue.

maybe because what he said was true no matter how the high elf movement tried to change with headcanon and fanfics, so there was no need to change his statement?

[FlubberPuddy]

NOTE: This is all based on the premise that High Elves are just not gonna happen for the alliance, that's said and done. But this show us how dispensable feedback from their audience is for WoW. And before you go "High Elves are a stupid issue" that's the point, it goes beyond how pointless you perceive the request to be, Blizzard is a company that SHOULD WANT to be respectful of their audience, not a single person giving/agreeing with an opinion. This is wholly a PR issue at this point, and no matter how vindicated some of you feel by Ion's answer, some of you seem not to understand that a company should be appeasing of its audience instead of simply alienating it.

But Alas. Ion said nothing new, offered no new insights of their reasons or what the future holds for Alliance High Elves. Just no. For me, that's enough, but even for me, I can't help to say his answer was mishandled, regardless of the decision, but how he approached the request. He just doesn't seem to understand that is more than just about a "fair skinned, blonde, blue eyed elf" and that "the horde is waiting for you."

And that honestly, just pisses on the reason why people want to play High Elves, regardless that Ion and some of you misunderstand.

So what can we do? Just expect that BfA is so good that it just pushes the High Elf issue on the wayside? Or so bad that HE are the least of issues to worry? Certainly I wish for this whole thing blows up someday.

What it showed was, regardless of how much feedback they get, with supporting evidence from in-game. Or even suggestions/compromises that the community themselves could come up with to hope for their race choice to be implemented.

None of it matters. Even for a topic where they said let us know what you'd like to see. Didn't matter. They have set plans for what they want to do. It makes the whole "tell us" look like complete hogwash. Especially when multiple interviews they laid out the criteria for what factors in when selecting an AR as a candidate, and one of the biggest was community interest.

They even noticed it was a popular request, regardless of them saying no.

So really it's a case of "don't even try to be passionate since we already have our own plans"

Even the newest Sethrak continuation thread on the forums, made after the Q&A. The first few posts give their condolences to the HE group and some talk as if "maybe it's good we're not noticed by the Blues - look what happened to the Helf community" That's a pretty crazy turn around for what people should be saying on the forums.

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are we implying now that he didn't acknowledged?



maybe because what he said was true no matter how the high movement tried to change with headcanon and fanfics, so there was no need to change hi statement?

It was so true that he somehow forgot, that same thing applies to void elves