Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

I have known for a long time that perculia had some Alliance bias, but I was still surprised by that article. She didn't even mention the blurred lines between factions, even though she claimed to be explaining "the reasons and counter arguments."

Alliance bias is fine. Presenting it as an opinion piece would have been fine.

Presenting it as an examination of the controversy and then relying on Taliesin's flawed video and Alurna's biased (by it's nature) manifesto is the equivalent of presenting a discussion between Evolution and Creationism and then relying on the bible as the sole source of information.

As you said she, like Taliesin, never mentioned the critical factors that led to High Elves being ruled out.

That they blur the faction lines.
That they are thematically identical to a core Horde race.
That they would damage the position and lore of Void Elves.

[matrix123mko]

As you said she, like Taliesin, never mentioned the critical factors that led to High Elves being ruled out.

That they blur the faction lines.

What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

[Sigxy]

Normally I never really reading up on 'news' on WowHead as I prefer doing so on MMO-Champion. It happened sometimes lately to get more information on allied races that they have DATAMINED things, but rarely. After seeing that pro-High Elf thing and just showing "How they can work" and not showing things that might also counter the idea, I feel like I haven't missed out on much. Doesn't help when they blamed the fact on that it was just the opinions on that video or whatever, not their own - they REALLY should've made that far more clear. x_x

Should've just stuck to being a Database to look up items in my opinion.

[Obelisk Kai]

What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

So High Elves should be added because both Tauren and Night Elves use feathers in their armour?

We are past the bottom of the barrel. We are scraping rock. Literally, rock.

This is not a case of similarity.

This is High Elves and Blood Elves being identical because Blood Elves are High Elves.

[matrix123mko]

Normally I never really reading up on 'news' on WowHead as I prefer doing so on MMO-Champion. It happened sometimes lately to get more information on allied races that they have DATAMINED things, but rarely. After seeing that pro-High Elf thing and just showing "How they can work" and not showing things that might also counter the idea, I feel like I haven't missed out on much. Doesn't help when they blamed the fact on that it was just the opinions on that video or whatever, not their own - they REALLY should've made that far more clear. x_x

Should've just stuck to being a Database to look up items in my opinion.

They are faster with news and have nice giveaways, so they are great. To mmo-champion I come for forums, but I think WoW Reddit has more creative content and suggestions and is less toxic.

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What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

No, he is afraid that high elf with red nameplate would blur the faction lines, while void elf is completely different, especially when he is covered in armor.

[Obelisk Kai]

No, he is afraid that high elf with red nameplate would blur the faction lines, while void elf is completely different, especially when he is covered in armor.

Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

[Syegfryed]

What's wrong with this?

are you actually serious? whats the point of factions then?

you guys are ok to end or fuck up the factions just to play a blonde and white elf? jesus man

also the points you come up are not comparable to the elf situation thing

[Sigxy]

They are faster with news and have nice giveaways, so they are great. To mmo-champion I come for forums, but I think WoW Reddit has more creative content and suggestions and is less toxic.

Faster news just makes it sound more like it's Quantity over Quality. I feel MMO-Champion delivers on the latter a lot better, which is all I care for.

[Deleted]

Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

Then your excuses why not to include high elves are completely irrelevant

[matrix123mko]

are you actually serious? whats the point of factions then?

you guys are ok to end or fuck up the factions just to play a blonde and white elf? jesus man

also the points you come up are not comparable to the elf situation thing

I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA, also, adding high elves doesn't mean end of factions. I would say that nightborne are end of the factions, but it isn't. Adding similiar races to both factions isn't bad. Everybody loves civil wars.

[Syegfryed]

Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

you don't even need to pretend

HE crowd claim that they should add HE because they already added VE, cause VE are exactly the same as BE

if they are exactly the same as blood elves they will be exactly the same as high elves, cause BE and HE are exactly the same

then they say VE are different from BE

and the circle or retardation continues

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I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA.

when factions end, then it will be possible choice whatever race you want

still, is a faction based game, many people like, Warcraft is iconic because of it, and there is no reason to end it

Then your excuses why not to include high elves are completely irrelevant

then there is no reason to add HE at all

cause you know, you already have then with armor

[JustaRandomReindeer]

if the Horde has that many rerolls to Alliance due to High Elves, than the Horde has a much more serious problem. From what we know of Allied Races, there is very little chance that more than 7% of all the Blood Elf characters will reroll as High Elves. Why? Because that would equal roughly all the combine Allied Race character currently on Live. Also one should realize that more rerolls will probably be from the Alliance to High Elf anyway. Mostly from Human and Night Elf players that couldn't roll a High Elf (because screw playing on the Horde, right lol?). Also some of the people that already rerolled or made Void Elves because they though that was as close as they were going to get to playing an Alliance High Elf. People that have Night Elves with names like XXLegololsXX would definitely reroll as a High Elf, if they bother completing the grind and unlock quests to get them.

The grind to unlock the Allied Races is the biggest roadblock to any potential population swings. It takes effort to get an Allied Race and most people can't be bothered to rep grind for two or three months to play some random elf. So I don't image the population to shift much at all, with maybe one or two percent of the Horde Players rolling High Elves, with a similar or maybe slightly greater number of Alliance players rolling High Elves as well. That would put High Elves at I suppose Gnome levels of characters on Live. The faction balance doesn't shift hardly at all (because some Alliance players are going to switch over to Zandalari Trolls or Vulpera). And if it does shift, it will be by about 1%.

The only other reason that the Horde might lose more of its Blood Elf population would be due to their racial not being OP anymore. And that doesn't mean they will roll Alliance....just whatever is OP at the moment. That would have nothing to do with High Elves.

From what I've heard there were way more Alliance players than Horde players during Vanilla. Blood Elves changed that and make about 50% of the Horde population nowadays. Most of those Blood Elf players play Horde because the Blood Elves are Horde. If the Alliance gets Blood Elves but with blue eyes and some cool tattoos I think a pretty big chunk of those Blood Elf players would be willing to reroll. Especially nowadays with "Horde are the bad guys Alliance are the good guys" questionable writing. I don't think it would be a smart decision to screw with faction balance just to please a certain group of people. If they really want their Legolols name to suit their character then nothing stops them from creating a Blood Elf like most other people that wanted the same thing did. Blood Elves on the Horde side are too crucial to faction balance to give a more refined version to the Alliance. I play mainly Horde but I have a thing for Draenei so I play Alliance too. Would I love to play Draenei on the Horde side? Absolutely! But at the end of the day it is what it is and I'm not complaining.

[Obelisk Kai]

Then your excuses why not to include high elves are completely irrelevant

No, if you say that a Void Elf in armor defeats my argument (which I don't agree with at all), then you personally should be ok to wrap a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

Emphasis on 'pretend', it won't be a Blood/High Elf.

[matrix123mko]

No, if you say that a Void Elf in armor defeats my argument (which I don't agree with at all), then you personally should be ok to wrap a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

Emphasis on 'pretend', it won't be a Blood/High Elf.

But it still would make problems for you on PVP.

[Shibito]

No, if you say that a Void Elf in armor defeats my argument (which I don't agree with at all), then you personally should be ok to wrap a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

Emphasis on 'pretend', it won't be a Blood/High Elf.

They dont want armor cause they want to see the skin when they ERP.

[Obelisk Kai]

I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA, also, adding high elves doesn't mean end of factions. I would say that nightborne are end of the factions, but it isn't. Adding similiar races to both factions isn't bad. Everybody loves civil wars.

Then you are playing the wrong game. Horde versus Alliance is the very core of this franchise, above our struggles with the Old Gods, the Void Lords and the Burning Legion. Always has been, always will be.

WoW factions are based primarily on race, it is a very visual game. And High Elves are identical to Blood Elves.

Nightborne are a bad counter example because like Void Elves, everything thematic about the parent race has been removed and they have been physically altered. This is why they were allowed to cross the faction wall.

And as for the civil war angle I see some pro High Elfers pushing, sorry, the Void Elves have gotten that covered and they are a far, far more worthy target of Blood Elf ire and animosity than the High Elf leftovers. Just ask @Ren-dorei. Does he deserve to have HIS actually playable race pushed out of the spotlight for a weak Blood Elf clone?

[JustaRandomReindeer]

I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA, also, adding high elves doesn't mean end of factions. I would say that nightborne are end of the factions, but it isn't. Adding similiar races to both factions isn't bad. Everybody loves civil wars.

Nightborne are nothing like regular Night Elves. And you already got Void Elves to make up for it.

[Deleted]

you don't even need to pretend

HE crowd claim that they should add HE because they already added VE, cause VE are exactly the same as BE

if they are exactly the same as blood elves they will be exactly the same as high elves, cause BE and HE are exactly the same

then they say VE are different from BE

and the circle or retardation continues

I know another circle of retardation.

"High elves will never be playable, they are too few - high elves happened in 2007, just roll horde - high elves happened again, you just dont look like pretty high elf - High elves will never happen, ION said so."

They dont want armor cause they want to see the skin when they ERP.

Ah yes, another comment with erp, funny shit, haha

[Syegfryed]

They dont want armor cause they want to see the skin when they ERP.

thats easy to fix