Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Sigxy]

so all that remaina is the true reason:
They (Blizzard) just don't want too

Even if we consider this to be the 'true' reason: Sure, why not. It's their game and they should make a game they have the most fun with. If they feel High Elves as a playable race doesn't fit in with their view, they should stick to it.

[Caerule]

Blizzard's position should have been long clear, though. Them thinking High Elves aren't distinct enough, is the main reason Void Elves were created. To meet the Alliance demand for pale elves, while giving them a gimmick different from the Blood Elves. There's 4 playable elf types now. There's not going to be another now.

Blizzard's response was clearly meant to put this discussion to rest. I love WoWHead, but them fueling it again with this opinion piece doesn't really feel... professional.

[matrix123mko]

All the positives are going to happen if you do what I want, and none of the negative. See these arguments? They can't be argued with. Why? Logic. What was my logic? I said it. Here's a wowhead article, high elves are happening.

I didn't say it is happening. I just give some news to this discussion.

Blizzard's response was clearly meant to put this discussion to rest. I love WoWHead, but them fueling it again with this opinion piece doesn't really feel... professional.

Yes, if they want to make article about discussion, they should tell both sides' arguments. Maybe they thought Ion represents anti high elf side, but they should quote some anti high elf youtuber as some counterpart to Taliesin.

I like the piece, when they proved Ion is wrong in certain points. I think he should just tell he doesn't want high elves if he has to end discussion.

[bowlink]

Even if we consider this to be the 'true' reason: Sure, why not. It's their game and they should make a game they have the most fun with. If they feel High Elves as a playable race doesn't fit in with their view, they should stick to it.

If they want to stick to that view fine. But then don't use bullshit reasons that you can poke holes in like damp toilet paper. Own up to is and don't lie about is

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If they want to stick to that view fine. But then don't use bullshit reasons that you can poke holes in like damp toilet paper. Own up to is and don't lie about is

Indeed, he uses arguments that work against void elves aswell.. Their population is lower, their culture is even more similar to blood elves, because they were the blood elves just yesterday.. They kept the same racial mount, while high elves were culturally differentiating from blood elves since destruction of sunwell, also they have different mounts,

I didn't say it is happening. I just give some news to this discussion.

He just wants to flame and project his assumptions on us.

[Obelisk Kai]

Blizzard's position should have been long clear, though. Them thinking High Elves aren't distinct enough, is the main reason Void Elves were created. To meet the Alliance demand for pale elves, while giving them a gimmick different from the Blood Elves. There's 4 playable elf types now. There's not going to be another now.

Blizzard's response was clearly meant to put this discussion to rest. I love WoWHead, but them fueling it again with this opinion piece doesn't really feel... professional.

It's a poor article at that.

Wowhead has a duty as a platform for WoW to disseminate facts. If they wanted to do this, Perculia should have written a balanced article explaining both points of view (as I thought she was going to do from her opening).

Instead it's an opinion piece that relies on Taliesin and Evitel's own opinion piece video and the Alurna Manifest of High Elves.

It should have been labelled as an opinion piece instead of 'we're examining the reasoning and counter-arguments in more detail'.

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Blizzard's position should have been long clear, though. Them thinking High Elves aren't distinct enough, is the main reason Void Elves were created. To meet the Alliance demand for pale elves, while giving them a gimmick different from the Blood Elves. There's 4 playable elf types now. There's not going to be another now.

Blizzard's response was clearly meant to put this discussion to rest. I love WoWHead, but them fueling it again with this opinion piece doesn't really feel... professional.

I have known for a long time that perculia had some Alliance bias, but I was still surprised by that article. She didn't even mention the blurred lines between factions, even though she claimed to be explaining "the reasons and counter arguments."

[Obelisk Kai]

I have known for a long time that perculia had some Alliance bias, but I was still surprised by that article. She didn't even mention the blurred lines between factions, even though she claimed to be explaining "the reasons and counter arguments."

Alliance bias is fine. Presenting it as an opinion piece would have been fine.

Presenting it as an examination of the controversy and then relying on Taliesin's flawed video and Alurna's biased (by it's nature) manifesto is the equivalent of presenting a discussion between Evolution and Creationism and then relying on the bible as the sole source of information.

As you said she, like Taliesin, never mentioned the critical factors that led to High Elves being ruled out.

That they blur the faction lines.
That they are thematically identical to a core Horde race.
That they would damage the position and lore of Void Elves.

[matrix123mko]

As you said she, like Taliesin, never mentioned the critical factors that led to High Elves being ruled out.

That they blur the faction lines.

What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

[Sigxy]

Normally I never really reading up on 'news' on WowHead as I prefer doing so on MMO-Champion. It happened sometimes lately to get more information on allied races that they have DATAMINED things, but rarely. After seeing that pro-High Elf thing and just showing "How they can work" and not showing things that might also counter the idea, I feel like I haven't missed out on much. Doesn't help when they blamed the fact on that it was just the opinions on that video or whatever, not their own - they REALLY should've made that far more clear. x_x

Should've just stuck to being a Database to look up items in my opinion.

[Obelisk Kai]

What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

So High Elves should be added because both Tauren and Night Elves use feathers in their armour?

We are past the bottom of the barrel. We are scraping rock. Literally, rock.

This is not a case of similarity.

This is High Elves and Blood Elves being identical because Blood Elves are High Elves.

[matrix123mko]

Normally I never really reading up on 'news' on WowHead as I prefer doing so on MMO-Champion. It happened sometimes lately to get more information on allied races that they have DATAMINED things, but rarely. After seeing that pro-High Elf thing and just showing "How they can work" and not showing things that might also counter the idea, I feel like I haven't missed out on much. Doesn't help when they blamed the fact on that it was just the opinions on that video or whatever, not their own - they REALLY should've made that far more clear. x_x

Should've just stuck to being a Database to look up items in my opinion.

They are faster with news and have nice giveaways, so they are great. To mmo-champion I come for forums, but I think WoW Reddit has more creative content and suggestions and is less toxic.

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What's wrong with this? Both tauren and night elves are druidic, they both use feathers on their armors, they both are very hippie. Worgen and undead - cursed humans, done wrong things against their will, their leaders live out of vengeance. Goblins and gnomes - tinkers, lost their kingdoms, short. Faction lines are already blurred. Remember discussion why did trolls and tauren agree to burn Teldrassill? So don't tell me that high elves are too dangerous to add.

No, he is afraid that high elf with red nameplate would blur the faction lines, while void elf is completely different, especially when he is covered in armor.

[Obelisk Kai]

No, he is afraid that high elf with red nameplate would blur the faction lines, while void elf is completely different, especially when he is covered in armor.

Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

[Syegfryed]

What's wrong with this?

are you actually serious? whats the point of factions then?

you guys are ok to end or fuck up the factions just to play a blonde and white elf? jesus man

also the points you come up are not comparable to the elf situation thing

[Sigxy]

They are faster with news and have nice giveaways, so they are great. To mmo-champion I come for forums, but I think WoW Reddit has more creative content and suggestions and is less toxic.

Faster news just makes it sound more like it's Quantity over Quality. I feel MMO-Champion delivers on the latter a lot better, which is all I care for.

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Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

Then your excuses why not to include high elves are completely irrelevant

[matrix123mko]

are you actually serious? whats the point of factions then?

you guys are ok to end or fuck up the factions just to play a blonde and white elf? jesus man

also the points you come up are not comparable to the elf situation thing

I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA, also, adding high elves doesn't mean end of factions. I would say that nightborne are end of the factions, but it isn't. Adding similiar races to both factions isn't bad. Everybody loves civil wars.

[Syegfryed]

Then your solution is to play a Void Elf in armor and pretend.

you don't even need to pretend

HE crowd claim that they should add HE because they already added VE, cause VE are exactly the same as BE

if they are exactly the same as blood elves they will be exactly the same as high elves, cause BE and HE are exactly the same

then they say VE are different from BE

and the circle or retardation continues

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I am always against factions and I would prefer N'zoth expansion over BfA.

when factions end, then it will be possible choice whatever race you want

still, is a faction based game, many people like, Warcraft is iconic because of it, and there is no reason to end it

Then your excuses why not to include high elves are completely irrelevant

then there is no reason to add HE at all

cause you know, you already have then with armor

[JustaRandomReindeer]

if the Horde has that many rerolls to Alliance due to High Elves, than the Horde has a much more serious problem. From what we know of Allied Races, there is very little chance that more than 7% of all the Blood Elf characters will reroll as High Elves. Why? Because that would equal roughly all the combine Allied Race character currently on Live. Also one should realize that more rerolls will probably be from the Alliance to High Elf anyway. Mostly from Human and Night Elf players that couldn't roll a High Elf (because screw playing on the Horde, right lol?). Also some of the people that already rerolled or made Void Elves because they though that was as close as they were going to get to playing an Alliance High Elf. People that have Night Elves with names like XXLegololsXX would definitely reroll as a High Elf, if they bother completing the grind and unlock quests to get them.

The grind to unlock the Allied Races is the biggest roadblock to any potential population swings. It takes effort to get an Allied Race and most people can't be bothered to rep grind for two or three months to play some random elf. So I don't image the population to shift much at all, with maybe one or two percent of the Horde Players rolling High Elves, with a similar or maybe slightly greater number of Alliance players rolling High Elves as well. That would put High Elves at I suppose Gnome levels of characters on Live. The faction balance doesn't shift hardly at all (because some Alliance players are going to switch over to Zandalari Trolls or Vulpera). And if it does shift, it will be by about 1%.

The only other reason that the Horde might lose more of its Blood Elf population would be due to their racial not being OP anymore. And that doesn't mean they will roll Alliance....just whatever is OP at the moment. That would have nothing to do with High Elves.

From what I've heard there were way more Alliance players than Horde players during Vanilla. Blood Elves changed that and make about 50% of the Horde population nowadays. Most of those Blood Elf players play Horde because the Blood Elves are Horde. If the Alliance gets Blood Elves but with blue eyes and some cool tattoos I think a pretty big chunk of those Blood Elf players would be willing to reroll. Especially nowadays with "Horde are the bad guys Alliance are the good guys" questionable writing. I don't think it would be a smart decision to screw with faction balance just to please a certain group of people. If they really want their Legolols name to suit their character then nothing stops them from creating a Blood Elf like most other people that wanted the same thing did. Blood Elves on the Horde side are too crucial to faction balance to give a more refined version to the Alliance. I play mainly Horde but I have a thing for Draenei so I play Alliance too. Would I love to play Draenei on the Horde side? Absolutely! But at the end of the day it is what it is and I'm not complaining.