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    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post

    You're entitled to your opinions, but playable Nightborne are nowhere close to an interesting race as you think.
    Ironic (palpatine face)

  2. #4182
    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    But you have no proof of that assertion. I can't recall anyone ever saying that. Nor can I find any evidence in google or Wowpedia saying
    that.

    In fact I am looking the Scrolls of Lore forums, the oldest archived and ongoing forum of Warcraft debate on the web, and going back to mid 2005 I am seeing nothing on that (haven't been here for a long time and wouldn't you know it they have a High Elf thread too...poor buggers). If High Elves were going to be an Alliance race in TBC, then there should plenty of threads discussing it in the run up to Blizzcon.

    I am finding nothing.

    What we do know is that Pandaren were intended to be the Alliance race in TBC before they were scrapped for having no connection to Outland. Draenei were crafted in their stead...and everyone should be glad that happened.

    UPDATE: In fact, I have now found this.

    http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...read.php?t=118

    This thread was created in October 2005, weeks before the Blood Elves were revealed. It is based off a forum post made by Caydiem, a blue at the time who provided the first 'no' to playable High Elves, who stated that each faction would get one new race in the expansion.

    The admin of the site speculates on High Elves and Ogres because of the work he felt had been done on their models, NOT due a source that said High Elves were going to be the Alliance race. In hindsight, it is clear that the work he saw on High Elves was done as preparation for Blood Elves.

    Had ANY official source prior to Blizzcon confirmed that High Elves were intended to be an Alliance race, these guys would have known about it. They would have discussed it in that thread. They are just speculating, like everyone else was at the time, because nobody outside Blizzard knew.




    Warcraft 3 the Frozen Throne was released on July 1st 2003. As part of that game's story, the second campaign 'Rise of the Blood Elves' details the moments the Blood Elves, who had rejoined the Alliance in desperation, finally cut ties with the faction and go forward towards their own destiny.

    Anyone playing World of Warcraft in vanilla would have been aware that the Blood Elves were no longer a part of the Alliance.




    Gurluas, TBC was announced in 2005.

    Look, I'm sorry. I know you are trying but all you are giving me is unsourced claims and statements that don't make sense given the timeframes involved.

    I reckon it is far likelier that the intervening years have coloured your memory, you are remembering things in a way that didn't occur. This is not to put you down, this happens to everyone on every topic.

    However, you are wrong about your recollections.

    The information I had was in hindsight, not from back then. I think it was around Cata or Mop where they discussed the process of how Blood elves ended up in the Horde design wise, and they talked about how they were originally conceptualized as Alliance during the earliest designs. I doubt I'd just create a memory like that out of nowhere.

    TFT had Kael's Blood elves go Illidari, but Vanilla made it clear that the Alliance still had Blood elves among it, in fact, Nethergarde keep even had an Ambassador.
    Especially since Vanilla made it clear the reorganized Alliance was not the Alliance of Lordaeron, but a Stormwind centric Alliance.

    And...Well I stand corrected about the date, I thought it was in 2006. In any case, this discussion right now is about Blood elves.
    High elves quite simply weren't a thing back then. Everyone assumed the entire High elf race had renamed itself to Blood elves in honor of their kin.
    High elves only became a thing people asked for after the announcement Blood elves would go Horde, and when TBC introduced Alliance High elves.

  3. #4183
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    Ironic (palpatine face)
    And completely ignoring the rest of my sentence which disproves your 'oh-so interesting and superior' Nightborne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justarandomreindeer View Post
    do you see people demanding humans and draenei with different eye color on the horde side just because they don't want to play alliance? Yeah buddy people play what they like even if that means playing the faction you don't really like. If they don't complain why should you?
    no, because no draenei nor humans exist in the horde you dumb dumb,

    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    And completely ignoring the rest of my sentence which disproves your 'oh-so interesting and superior' Nightborne.
    Yes, the objective opinions disproved that, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    no, because no draenei nor humans exist in the horde you dumb dumb,



    Yes, the objective opinions disproved that, lol
    There is a human traitor working for the Horde in WoD, where are my playable Horde humans?
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  6. #4186
    Quote Originally Posted by Baiyn the Second View Post
    Pretty sure he uses one of the "high elf" models actually. Uses the same edited selection of male night elf lines that high elves use too.

    Always thought he was an oddball because, as you say, Quel'Thalas is absolutely blood elf lands but they still made him a "high elf". Maybe it's an in-joke.
    Before TBC, all Thalassian Elves used those voice lines, and all Blood elves too, and they also used the same models. It wasn't until TBC where they made him a High elf...Why...who knows, he's friendly to both factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    Did you just say that with a straight face? .
    he just live in another world don't bother

    claiming nightborne was a better version of night elves was one of the best pearls of this topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    At this point perhaps people should ask for something more realistic, like half elves, after all diluting their blood line is something both Ion and Elisande said, as well as it wouldn’t be ripping a Horde model.
    .
    blasphemy, even if this make sense, is blasphemy! only pure high elves are allowed! so we should make then bulky like humans or night elves with makes no sense!

  8. #4188
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    he just live in another world don't bother

    claiming nightborne was a better version of night elves was one of the best pearls of this topic
    I actually sort of agree. The model wasn't the best but frankly, I always disliked the Night elf model, and at least the Nightborne don't bounce...Plus they have an epic city and is one of the most advanced Arcane civilizations left...And they have eyebrows.

    It can definitely be seen as an improvement.

  9. #4189
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    There is a human traitor working for the Horde in WoD, where are my playable Horde humans?
    Watch out, he's going to try to use Ion's statement "X faction is here for you" as a comeback to appear witty. He's being in salt-mode doing it all day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    I actually sort of agree. The model wasn't the best but frankly, I always disliked the Night elf model, and at least the Nightborne don't bounce...Plus they have an epic city and is one of the most advanced Arcane civilizations left...And they have eyebrows.

    It can definitely be seen as an improvement.
    I don't know about you, but the NE bounce is fucking epic. It's a major plus in my book.
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  10. #4190
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    no, because no draenei nor humans exist in the horde you dumb dumb,



    Yes, the objective opinions disproved that, lol
    What do you mean they don't? If Blizzard writers decide tomorrow that they should then they will make it happen. IS that how you counter my argument? Lore is what Blizzard decide it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    I actually sort of agree. The model wasn't the best but frankly, I always disliked the Night elf model, and at least the Nightborne don't bounce...Plus they have an epic city and is one of the most advanced Arcane civilizations left...And they have eyebrows.

    It can definitely be seen as an improvement.
    dude, the playable nightborne is a worse version of the actual nightborne

    you can like what you want, but at last have self-aware of things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    dude, the playable nightborne is a worse version of the actual nightborne

    you can like what you want, but at last have self-aware of things
    Oh I'm aware of that. We're talking about Nightborne vs Night elf....Where even the playable ones are arguably better.
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  13. #4193
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    he just live in another world don't bother

    claiming nightborne was a better version of night elves was one of the best pearls of this topic
    "haha he is so out of touch he doesnt agree with my personal opinion"


    Night elves so good, they dont even need eyebrows
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  14. #4194
    i think this problem started with Allied races all together.

    this is just speculation but i think planning for allied started with Patch 7.1 at the earliest
    People saw the High mountain tauren and Nightborne and thought i want to play one of those.
    now that the high mountain tauren were going horde thats a given if we use "we can't blur the lines between factions"

    also blizzard tends to start planning the next expansion when the new one just lauched but were in patch 7.1 so i think they have some idea what its gonna be.

    On to Nightborne, Now in patch 7.1 we get that that exchange between Tyrande and Thalysra. for the record i happen to agree with tyrande on the matter.
    we also get the last Alliance High elves moments in game. with Elisant calling them mongrels for interbreeding with humans.
    But with the hostile stance they gave to Tyrande towards the Nightborne blizzard decides to give the horde the Nightborne, this decision could have been made in patch 7.2 when they were working on argus.

    However here is where the problem start. Blizzard had 2 choices for allied races for horde. and none for they alliance.

    Patch 7.2 they eather start or are already working on patch 7.3 and they find a race they can give to they alliance. the light forged draenei being previously been used in the paladin and priest campaign( not shure on the priest part haven't done that one yet) this one counter balances the highmountain tauren. because tauren-tauren, draenei-draenei. that leaves nightborne what to counter balance that with. well nightborne use the Night elf rig. and most of they animations. so what does that leave the alliance.

    and here is where blizzard went the wrong way.

    i think blizzard wanted to use the duality angle for light and shadow/void. the problem was they didn't have any shadow races with redeemable qualities. because the most we ever see shadow wielding characters is, their eather tentacle faces monsters. or shadow casters/priests that have gone insane.

    the character to reprisent the light was easy. Turalyon an over zealos priest turned paladin.
    but who to use to the shadow/void character. blizzard decided here to shoehorn the shadow/void powers onto Alleria Windrunners Character eventho their was never any mention her character dabled in said power. the last time she was ingame in the warcraft universe was in 1996 in warcraft 2 beyond the dark portal.

    now blizzard could have gone with the Broken Krokul making them sorta shadow/void shamans but seeing as the HD model still uses the tauren male rig that was very unlikely.

    at they end of the patch 7.2 cicle blizzard decided to make the void elves taking the voidafied Alleria Windrunner as insparation.

    while they could have just as easily have made a more militant version of the high elf that is more intune with the wilds. and forgoing Arcane overtime as a sort of echo of Night elves back in the day. giving up classes like the mage and the warlock. and yes im well aware of that most silver covenant high elves are mages. as for holy magic with priest and paladin, instead of drawing from the holy magic from the sunwell they instead draw from holy schrines in human or night elves settlements.
    as for their aesthetic it could be a call back to the warcraft 2 ranger and alleria windrunners design

    but blizzard decided to go with void elves instead because i think of the Light/Shadow duality angle. and if you read this intire post problely weren't a thing until planning of patch 7.3 during the time late patch 7.1 or early 7.2 were live. void elves were under developed at best, and an asspull at worst.
    but because blizzard decided on void elves, and later realised they screwed the pouch. did they decided to ride this controversy wave out by sticking to their guns.

    however High elves fans rightfully called bullshit because
    1: the horde allied races are better developted and established in lore which is a real feat in one expansion.
    2: void elves barely had any development at all if any. and feel like they came up with them 5 minutes before they were said to announce them.
    3: High elves are a mutch better fit as an allied race, as countless people in this topic have stated.

    and now we have blizzard trying to cover their asses by saying.

    1: they blur the lines between factions. evetho void elves, nightborne and as mutch as blizzard hates pandaren also break that rule.
    2: to little of them in number of them to be an allied races. again void elves break that rule. as well as lightforged.

    so that leaves

    3: Alliance already has Void elves so we can't give them High elves yet well then wait till same more allied races have been added then put them in.
    and finally the only reason i care about and want them to admit to.
    4 We don't want to because we can't right now.

    also

    i don't think the high elves fans found it necessary for Ion to twist the dagger by saying "if you want to play light skinned blonde haird elves the horde is there for you"
    it was uncalled for and mean. and should IMHO apoligize for it.

  15. #4195
    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    Oh I'm aware of that. We're talking about Nightborne vs Night elf....Where even the playable ones are arguably better.
    Are they? That sounds like an opinion to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    Ironic (palpatine face)
    How is it ironic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigxy the Lemming View Post
    How is it ironic?
    that he dismissed my opinion with his opinion

  18. #4198
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    "haha he is so out of touch he doesnt agree with my personal opinion"


    Night elves so good, they dont even need eyebrows
    I thought you guys were not fans of purple skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustaRandomReindeer View Post
    I thought you guys were not fans of purple skin.
    /slow clap

    yeah that is why we hate void elves, you got it

    nice evasion from that hideous night elf btw

  20. #4200
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoras View Post
    that he dismissed my opinion with his opinion
    And your opinion is in the minority. If Nightborne are so superior and better-made than Night Elves, how come barely anyone in the Horde rolls them? Also 99% of the player NB roll female because most can't stand how fugly the males are.
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