Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Traycor]

It's never used for SC Helven farstriders/rangers in WoW either, you know... Both Belves and Helves used to do it and, technically, both still should do it, there's no reason for either of those to stop doing it. It's simply not shown in the game because both use basic PC Belf model.

But the Blood Elves don't do it. It's not there. It's a silly arguement to say, "High Elves can't have this unused look because I could imagine my Blood Elf having that look."

Blood Elves could sprout tentacles and turn purple as well... that doesn't mean Void Elves can't have their own look.

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And we won't get the "sliders" because of how old this game. It wasn't build on "slider" possibilities.

Sliders were around LONG before WoW came out. Even at the time of release, it had just about the most bare-bones customization possible. This was a deliberate design choice.

[ls-]

But the Blood Elves don't do it. It's not there. It's a silly arguement to say, "High Elves can't have this unused look because I could imagine my Blood Elf having that look."

Blood Elves could sprout tentacles and turn purple as well... that doesn't mean Void Elves can't have their own look.

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Sliders were around LONG before WoW came out. Even at the time of release, it had just about the most bare-bones customization possible. This was a deliberate design choice.

Literally everything that SC Helves did ~10+ years ago in Warcraft universe Belves did as well because they're one faction back then. So if you want to find something different between the two it had to happen within last 10 years or so.

[Rhlor]

Markings and hairstyles denote culture. You see a tatooed dwarf in-game and instantly knows it's a wildhammer dwarf, not a bronzebeard one. Sure, blood elves can paint themselves, but that's not part of their overall culture, so it wouldn't be available to them.

Elven Ranger


in quelthalas there is still a ranger general in quelthalas, the rangers are still with the magister the most important organization.

the elven ranger are a fundamental part of the culture of quelthalas

[Sigxy]

Because this topic is drifting back onto 'how can we make High Elves playable' I think it's very important to remind people of the following.



Skip to 46:20 for the relevant point.

You just can't pretend it's business as normal and he didn't say what he said.

Ah, but he only says "Blood Elves kinda are". KINDA. It's that tiny little thing they cherrypick!

Sliders were around LONG before WoW came out. Even at the time of release, it had just about the most bare-bones customization possible. This was a deliberate design choice.

This is correct. Blizzard stated that they wanted people to actually play the game and not spend about 10 hours just customizing the character to look perfect. And I'm SO thankful for it because whenever there's a slider, things never work out for me. :<

[Zorish]

But the Blood Elves don't do it. It's not there. It's a silly arguement to say, "High Elves can't have this unused look because I could imagine my Blood Elf having that look."

Blood Elves could sprout tentacles and turn purple as well... that doesn't mean Void Elves can't have their own look.

it's not there because only in AR (BfA content) we started to see Tattoes as options for players! surprise eh? No race (okay - night elf only) had any way to use tattoo or warpaint on them. NO RACE. remember how people were hyped when they datamined SHIRTS wich looked like tattos? it was because WE LACK of this options. for EVERY race.

[Combatbutler]

But the Blood Elves don't do it. It's not there. It's a silly arguement to say, "High Elves can't have this unused look because I could imagine my Blood Elf having that look."

High elves don't use it either, not a single high elf has this theme, by your arguing style it should now go to the void elves, because their leader actually has these farstrider tattoos.

Fact remains these markings aren't a definite trait for high elves due to it being shared with the blood elves and the void elves. All three groups have historical ties to it.

So selling something as distinction, which really isn't one is rather weird.

[melzas]

I just don't get why they didn't go with "all current alliance elves (aka High Elves) decided to follow Alleria and turn to the Void, disbanding silver convenant, and removing helves from dalaran/7th legion, making it cannon that no "pure" high elves are left. (oh, and turn Alleria into a proper Gothy elf, idk why she has to be pretty?).

The only reason why they didn't go that route I can think of is because they don't want to say definite no to high elves as allied race.

[Lumineus]

It is part of the farstrider dynamic

Yeah well, most if not all of the Farstriders that were abroad (which, given the name of their organization, would have been the vast majority of them) are now with the Alliance, as shown by their holdings in Loch Modan, Aerie Peak, and formerly Eastern Plaguelands, the latter of which was actually populated by a corps of rangers kicked out of Quel'thalas by Lor'themar, further reducing this "dynamic" amongst the greater blood elf population.

[Sigxy]

I just don't get why they didn't go with "all current alliance elves (aka High Elves) decided to follow Alleria and turn to the Void, disbanding silver convenant, and removing helves from dalaran/7th legion, making it cannon that no "pure" high elves are left. (oh, and turn Alleria into a proper Gothy elf, idk why she has to be pretty?).

The only reason why they didn't go that route I can think of is because they don't want to say definite no to high elves as allied race.

Probably so that there won't be a "blue shirt" guy telling them about Vereesa. >_> Can't have her turn Void Elf for... reasons?

[Combatbutler]

I just don't get why they didn't go with "all current alliance elves (aka High Elves) decided to follow Alleria and turn to the Void, disbanding silver convenant, and removing helves from dalaran/7th legion, making it cannon that no "pure" high elves are left. (oh, and turn Alleria into a proper Gothy elf, idk why she has to be pretty?).

The only reason why they didn't go that route I can think of is because they don't want to say definite no to high elves as allied race.

Because it goes against the entire mindset of the modern high elf, these people were unwilling to drain mana from a living organism and embracing the void is even worse than fully embracing fel magic.

[Zorish]

High elves don't use it either, not a single high elf has this theme, by your arguing style it should now go to the void elves, because their leader actually has these farstrider tattoos.

Fact remains these markings aren't a definite trait for high elves due to it being shared with the blood elves and the void elves. All three groups have historical ties to it.

So selling something as distinction, which really isn't one is rather weird.

i would say not blood elves/"High elves"/void elves, but rather elf as whole race. Because "tattoo" thing was first seen on illidan and NE during war of the ancient. And some times they bear not decorative fuction, but rather practical like enchantments for body.

[Goldielocks]

Ah, but he only says "Blood Elves kinda are". KINDA. It's that tiny little thing they cherrypick!

It amazes me just how people will go through mental gymnastics just to open the door, at least somewhat.

It's insane.

[Enkrypt]

I wouldn't mind Vrykul myself. But they would probably find some contrived reason why they couldn't roll Paladin. Despite being the original Tyrsguard and basically inventing Paladins.

Off topic, I'm aware, but you're going to have to cite that statement. I'm pretty certain the Vrykul had, like, nothing to do with the Paladin concept. Feel free to enlighten me. I believe Humans/Draenei were on the forefront of that fighting/magic style.

[Traycor]

not a single high elf has this theme

Alleria

So if you want to find something different between the two it had to happen within last 10 years or so.

As was stated earlier, creating a new look is easy. No previous Dark Iron looked like the new playable models with their flaming hair. They just added it because why not?

Worgen in game did not look like the playable ones we have now. When they became playable, they just changed all of them with no lore reason. And why not?

When Blood Elves got a new model like 20 times in this game, there was no lore reason. They just did it.

If they want to give High Elves their own representative look, they can just do it. No lore reason is needed. This would confuse no one.

[Zorish]

like really @Traycor i see how you want to make them different, but "tattoo" as thing for them being different decline any logic behind it. Like really. They used them in WC2, okay. Those who survived then return to QT. Okay. WC3 happened. and what? everyone who used warpaints or enchanted tattoo gone Aliance? man please. consider some logic there. Please. Don't kill my faith in you at least.

[Lumineus]

Off topic, I'm aware, but you're going to have to cite that statement. I'm pretty certain the Vrykul had, like, nothing to do with the Paladin concept. Feel free to enlighten me. I believe Humans/Draenei were on the forefront of that fighting/magic style.

I suggest simply rolling a trial character and looking it up in-game. Go to the order hall and read up on the history of Truthguard and the Silver Hand.

[Combatbutler]

Yeah well, most if not all of the Farstriders that were abroad (which, given the name of their organization, would have been the vast majority of them) are now with the Alliance, as shown by their holdings in Loch Modan, Aerie Peak, and formerly Eastern Plaguelands, the latter of which was actually populated by a corps of rangers kicked out of Quel'thalas by Lor'themar, further reducing this "dynamic" amongst the greater blood elf population.

And I'd like a source for that there is absolutely nothing that would indicate it, even as halduron called on Vereesa during cata, due to most of his rangers being unavailable due to mission they vastly outnumbered the silvercovenant in front of Zul'aman.

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Alleria
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Is a void elf.

[Zorish]

Alleria

i repeat - she got unique model because she needed it for plot. Why humans don't have Varian, Turaion or Anduin face? why goblins can't be like Gallywix? Why i can't paint my face as saurfang? Why ne can't be like tyrande or malfurion? Why general BE/"HE" don't look like sylvanas/alleria? Why draenei don't look like Velen or yrel? Why i can't have armor like Thrall? Why forsaken/DK don't look like Nathanos?

[Lumineus]

you got it man people think that every elf after renaming himself to Blood elf suddnely go to through lazer removal it's really funny.

Not sure why people keep calling it "tattoos." It's woad -- war paint, just like it is on Highmountain, and yes, on Wildhammer as well. It washes off. They quit using it because they started branding their faces with blood runes instead.

And I'd like a source for that there is absolutely nothing that would indicate it, even as halduron called on Vereesa during cata, due to most of his rangers being unavailable due to mission they vastly outnumbered the silvercovenant in front of Zul'aman.

He said it would "take too long" to recall them, which obviously is not true because Vereesa was a desperation hail mary and came all the way from Dalaran after he had time to figure out that no one else was going to show up. You could put two and two together and figure out the response from the other lodges.

[Combatbutler]

They quit using it because they started branding their faces with blood runes instead.

They didn't, they pretty much kept going as before.