Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[ercarp]

I wish I had that art skill. Awesome work, bro.

Thanks! Last one for today, and possibly for some time (don't wanna turn the thread into my portfolio lol). Six facial hair options and facial markings.

[Lumineus]

Faction balance is still a big thing for them.

So long as it favors the Horde I'm sure. 11:9 at max level and rising.

[bowlink]

If Blizzard makes this scenario, lets say patch 8.1.5, it would be good way to end the debate. You have my staff! Now, lets make a thread about undead elves allied race.

you can be damn shure that that if we can't have high elves will shure as hell gonna make shure you don't get undead ones

[Sigxy]

100% agree! A stubble for blood elves would be great. Even humans need a proper stubble come to think of it...

Tis a bit annoying too when the fact this thing exists in Hearthstone.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n1RGNTJLSW...onGuardian.jpg

[Varx]

Ok since Ion's glorious response isn't enough I'll put the final nail on the coffin.

So you guys want High Elves despite them being the same physical race as Belves. Your argument is that you want the faction of alliance elves to be playable since lore-wise they are very prominent.

In that case why don't we get playable Alliance Goblins too? Lore-wise there are multiple goblin factions, some of which have been employed by the alliance. Using the logic you guys are using, Alliance players have the right to also demand Ally Gobbies because the Lore permits it.

Sounds fucking retarded right? That's because it is. Just because something exists in the lore doesn't mean there needs to be a playable version of it for us players. High elves are just fine where they currently are and that's as NPC''s.

This is why Ion said the lines would have been too blurred. Alliance and Horde have identities for it's playable races. If you start making all of them neutral like Pandaren then wtf is the point of the Faction system.

I love Allied races but unfortunately it's opened up the flood gates of whiny little bitches who demand their favorite race/faction become playable.

[Lumineus]

I'm sure there are a number of other races that could be considered, the problem is that most of them are unappealing to Alliance players (or players in general, because Warlocks and Shadow Priests are SO popular they needed an ENTIRE RACE themed around them, on the goody-two-shoes faction no less ) and thus there is no actual demand to play them. That's why we get themepark mascots pulled from @Abrosiabi's nether regions and Weight Watchers spokespeople.

I was all for the allied race concept too, until it turned out to be just another way to pamper the Horde.

[Paraka]

This thread really does reflect how well people who have championed "unity" across the factions and say how Faction Wars are a bad story idea and in the literal same breath they're denoting any Horde characters and elves cause "evil cultural reasons."

That or those who want the unity are placating the fact they never got their HE to begin with.

Not entirely sure where the crazy begins and ends nowadays.

I was all for the allied race concept too, until it turned out to be just another way to pamper the Horde.

Unless you're purely focusing on Zandalari (which I admit is pretty boss), I am curious how the AR Horde comes out on top to be seen as "pampered."

[Lumineus]

Are you kidding me? What are Mag'har, like six or seven cultures for the price of one? How many patches spent acquiring dwarf clans, then?

Then there was the fact we spent 2/3 of Legion working towards Horde Night Elves that aren't even a different enough color to make the anti high elf argument hold more water than a thimble.

[Koroniss]

So long as it favors the Horde I'm sure. 11:9 at max level and rising.

Btw, could you please point me as to where I would find the most reliable data? The two major platforms I check show great disparities to one another. I am especially interested if the platform contains an archive for faction/race/class trend checking during the various expansions, as well.

PS: if you are in the pro-AHE camp, balance swinging hugely in favour for the Horde would be your best ally

[Lumineus]

Will it? Pretty sure at this point Ion wants to make it 15:5 so <EJ> can walk around uncontested in War mode even with CRZ. Collusion and nepotism.

[Varx]

Look, proof of my recent post. "Lets add alliance goblins now huuuurrrr. They'll have tatoos because they're not like Horde Goblins". That's how you fedora flippers sounds like.

[Sorrior]

Says the guy that can't handle being told "No, you can't play that race on Alliance."

Riiiight. Whatever helps you sleep at night in your Alliance pajamas, friend.

Says the guy who can't handle the idea of people talking about what you dislike and the outrught fact ions arguments against HE apply to qlmost all allied races

Give us a good reason not to have them and i will accept it. I have yet to hear one.

[Blayze]

Unless you're purely focusing on Zandalari (which I admit is pretty boss), I am curious how the AR Horde comes out on top to be seen as "pampered."

Allied Races are a monkey's paw situation for the Alliance. Want to Lightforge your draenei? Tough luck, now level up or pony up. Want vrykul? Tough luck, here's fat people. Want High Elves? Go fuck yourselves, have Void Elves instead and we'll pretend the Silver Covenant never existed.

I'm surprised we're getting Dark Irons without a massive fucking "BUT" attached.

[ercarp]

Look, proof of my recent post. "Lets add alliance goblins now huuuurrrr. They'll have tatoos because they're not like Horde Goblins". That's how you fedora flippers sounds like.

Goblins will follow whoever pays them the most. They're greedy, not loyal. Also you're not making the point you think you're making...

[FlubberPuddy]

Thanks! Last one for today, and possibly for some time (don't wanna turn the thread into my portfolio lol). Six facial hair options and facial markings.

Please, more art is great This thread was originally titled Silver Covenant Allied Race Concepts (I believe) so it's definitely a place to show your work if you so please!

TO ALL THOSE THAT @ ME:

You heard it straight from Ion, Blood Elves are the "MAJESTIC ELVES" therefore their identity/model representation wouldn't allow them access to WARPAINTS which they'd probably consider barbaric AF. Evidence from their sillies:

Blood Elf Female:
"Ugh I hate Thunder Bluff! You can't find a good burger anywhere."
"So I went to this troll spa the other day and I wound up with dreadlocks and a frigging bone in my nose! I mean come on! Who PAYS for that?"
"I went to Undercity to get a facial. Ha! Have you seen these people? I said, 'You don't have a lower jaw and you're going to give ME a facial?' She got mad...at least I think she did. You ever heard someone talk without a lower jaw? 'Rawe-rau-werew' Ho-ho! She sounded like a murloc!"
"Do you think the expansion will make me fat?"
"So you mean I'm stuck with this hair color?!" (This quote was from pre-Patch 3.0.2, which since included the barber shop.)
"How can I miss you if you don't go away?" (A song by Dan Hicks (singer))
"Mirrors can't talk. Luckily for you, they can't laugh either!"

Blood Elf Male:
"Give me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to... *angry grunt* Just give me some freakin' magic before I kill somebody!" (This is a reference to the Serenity Prayer by Reinhold Niebuhr; the ending is "...and the wisdom to know the difference." This is also the prayer said in A.A. Blood elves all struggle with their natural addiction to magic.)
"I'm trying to cut back on arcane magic... look, I got the patch." (Reference to smoking cigarettes and nicotine patches, which are used to try and wean a person off of nicotine, the addictive chemical in cigarettes.)
"We're allied with the Tauren? Fantastic! We'll be having steak twice a week."
"Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?" (A reference to the Pussycat Dolls song "Dont'Cha".)
(Sighs) "I could really use a scrunchy... yeah, you heard me!"
"So I was in line to the Bat Handler yesterday with some undead guy in front of me and all of the sudden he just lets one go! Didn't even try to disguise it! I don't know what he ate but it did not agree with him. I thought, 'What crawled up YOU and died?'"
"The problem with these Horde characters is they lack sophistication. *farts*"

So yeah, keep your prissy Elves who think so highly of themselves and others beneath them. They're the "sophisticated elves" the "city elves". Basically Blood Elves embody the "Stuck up bitches" personality stereotype.

So funny how now that Ion outlined the aesthetic Blood Elves are, many die-hard BE fans appear to want to change that because they just don't want High Elves to be a possibility. Extremely hilarious!

And then Void Elves are the aesthetic of Rockers/Goth/Emo/Occult type Elves pretty much. Therefore warpaints wouldn't make sense of them either. These guys are also Blood Elves so they're more close to Blood Elves in cultural capacity than High Elves.

And the whole "Alleria is a Void Elf" she's both! She's both a High Elf and a Void Elf.

On the subject of her eyes, this is said:

Alleria's eye color is frequently described as a brilliant emerald-green,[46] but her Hearthstone art depicts it as a light shade of cyan, greenish-blue.[47] In the patch 7.3.0 art, she has blue eyes.
This was likely changed due to the retcon involving elven eyes. Given that green is associated closely with the blood elves despite Alleria being a high elf, who are typically depicted with blue eyes, this was likely done to avoid confusion.

Oh look at that! Another GAMEPLAY REASON for Alleria having Blue Eyes, and again to denote her being a HIGH ELF. Blizzard sure loves their GAMEPLAY REASONS so fat chance of Blood Elves getting Blue Eyes.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Alleria_Windrunner

Ahh, all the triggered people once I said what I said are so funny

[Sorrior]

Because this topic is drifting back onto 'how can we make High Elves playable' I think it's very important to remind people of the following.



Skip to 46:20 for the relevant point.

You just can't pretend it's business as normal and he didn't say what he said.

You mean what the topic is SUPPOSED to ne about? A civilized discussion of possibilities?

[Varx]

Goblins will follow whoever pays them the most. They're greedy, not loyal. Also you're not making the point you think you're making...

That goblin is the second in command of the alliance spy forces, If shaw dies then that dude would be leading alliance rogues, no money involved. And my point is that helves=belves but Silver covenant does not = silvermoon so you guys use it as an excuse to copy paste a playable horde race to the alliance.

[Deleted]

Thanks! Last one for today, and possibly for some time (don't wanna turn the thread into my portfolio lol). Six facial hair options and facial markings.

AMAMAZING <3 members of the high elves discord love these! amazing! also could you make some female ones? ;D

[Zorish]

y stereotype.
Extremely hilarious!

that was only right thing in your post
so you judging race by sillies? and what sillies will be with yout "ranger High elf".

Male: one day i got arrow in my knee...
Female: i slept with the bear... ones...
m?

[FlubberPuddy]

Goblins will follow whoever pays them the most. They're greedy, not loyal. Also you're not making the point you think you're making...

It's just a case of "MMO-Citis" imo. Where they see 1 example and extrapolate it to mean the entire group is doing it. There's also a renegade Orc in the Alliance shipyard, it didn't mean anyone was seriously thinking "ALLIANCE ORCS OMG"

What all these 1 time or 2 time examples lack is that High Elves and Silver Covenant more specifically continually are being showcased among Alliance. Makes me wonder how many actually even play Alliance side for lacking that understanding.

Even in BFA, An Island expedition team has a High Elf, and High Elves are present in the Arathi Warfronts for Alliance. They're not going away anytime soon. Blizzard just increased the amount of High Elves in game by allowing those High Elves to be in BFA. They're not doing a very good job of "not enough High Elves out there doing things"