Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Syegfryed]

That response wasn't meant for you, and otherwise, it is not something in which I particularly need or want your input.

regardless was a point that i wanted to correct

Yeah, I'm not going to talk about critiquing media with you anymore lol.

what the reason to criquite things who will not change? is like critiquing how draeneis got retconed and blood elves were given to the horde in TBC

you can, but why? what the meaning? its a waste

Such a zero or nada approach. You keep responding like hoping Ion and Blizz would have addressed at least some of the pro high elf arguments (like population compared to VE and the existence of the Silver Covenant) is just too much or not worthy of being addressed at all. Which as we have established, comes form your utter dismissal of any pro HE argument. Such an impasse.

he did address a lot of points

>HE fans claim that HE and BE are different

he confirme once again that they are the same race with a bit of different backstory

>HE fans claim that population don't matter cause muh elves

HE just said still matter, and there are not tons of HE like people tough

>He fans claim that they could ADD HE just fine cause its easy and there are no problem in that

he said it would blur the factions and the team think factions matter

>HE fans claim that BE and HE ahve different themes

He said they haven't, and if you want to play the HE fantasie you will need to play horde cause its there where you find it

you want MORE? what more points? the rest was just irrelevant

*rubs temple* I really don't really care about what you think it's a cult.

then you should not bring that up after i saided, cause it seems you cared a bit

You keep saying that "your opinions are based on canon lore" but refuse to accept that the Silver Covenant is an alliance faction of High Elves with patently more numbers than Void Elves.

i know the silver covenant is a faction of high elves, end

do you ahve canon prove to affirm that the number of elves in the silver covenant is more than the number of void elves? cause we don't have, we could even said the VE numbers are more, cause its a group of people exiled from the blood elves, a group coming from the marjory and bulky of the HE society

Silver covenant elves are veressa followers, who have losses everytime they appear without conditions to replenish their losses

Because you keep thinking there's a lore reason behind this when it's simply an aesthetic choice.

its not about aesthetic alone

its just a joint of different reasons, who are gameplay, aesthetic and lore

just because one of the lore reasons is debunked don't mean the others will fall apart too

Hhahahah. Okay, so if they would have made HE playable, changed their hairstyles and tattoos, their body frame and stance... Wouldn't that have been literally the same aesthetic approach that NB are to NE? Oh my god.

if they became different enough? like the night elves are totally different from nightborne? then yes, obviously

yet, the He fans would still cry cause they looked different

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Other people want nature themed ranger elves. I'm dealing with what is logical from what forces are presented as High Elves plus where they are located.

aand the point is people don't want the "nature themed ranger elves" they want everything the elf archetype represent

the "ranger nature theme" is just to foolish people like a mask

besides, this theme is already occupied by night elves and blood elves farstriders, not HE

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

the high elves ranger of warcraft 2, thei theme, and everything else is pretty much ok and shoved in the blood elf theme, not in the rndom HE npcs despite veressa

also, the druid thing never get out of the paper, scrapped

It's like everything about you is related about your anti HE bias. That High Elves could have Ranger themes has little to do with the simple notion that BE aren't focusing on their ranger themes. It's like one can say that because you are afraid that HE are gonna take them away -high elves aren't playable-

"The druid thing" was basically the lore reason of the runestones up until WarIII when it was retconned *eyeroll*

[Rhlor]

And what that has to do with me missing the ranger themes, I wonder.

but the ranger theme in the quel'thalas culture is so important in wow

[Syegfryed]

It's like everything about you is related about your anti HE bias. That High Elves could have Ranger themes has little to do with the simple notion that BE aren't focusing on their ranger themes. It's like one can say that because you are afraid that HE are gonna take them away -high elves aren't playable-

hoh we are stretching things now

HE have ranger theme, this theme already exist, is among the farstrider, just because its not the main thing, don't mean it not exist or mean the alliance HE can take for then as the main thing

Farstriders are everywhere, and were one of the biggest forces against the amani in cataclysm together wit the darkspear trolls

HE "focusing" in this theme will hurt and damage the blod elf ranger theme, who already exist, its entire point of not giving HE theya re the same shit as BE, same theme,same aesthetic, focusing more in the ranger will make no differeance

you would need at least a completely new theme, like the void elves,a nd people would bitch about the same

Again, if you want a high elf ranger, you already can, the horde is waiting for you

"The druid thing" was basically the lore reason of the runestones up until WarIII when it was retconned *eyeroll*

yet that runestones was arcane magic, since it was the reason gul'dan created the ogri-mage, so in the end it was not a "druidic thing" at all

[leggomydairy]

The comments at the last interview were insulting. If you want to play a high elf play a blood elf? No, they're different. Different enough they have two different names and faction allegiances. I don't want high elf because I want the model on alliance (I play both sides). I want high elf because they're an OG alliance race and they've been featured in most expansions to date. There's no way there's more void elves then high elves

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

regardless was a point that i wanted to correct

And the worst is your probably believe you did.

what the reason to criquite things who will not change? is like critiquing how draeneis got retconed and blood elves were given to the horde in TBC

you can, but why? what the meaning? its a waste

IDK, you can critique media to hope in the future the same mistakes aren't made? just a thought.

he did address a lot of points

>HE fans claim that HE and BE are different

he confirme once again that they are the same race with a bit of different backstory

Which is literally true for Void Elves as well.

>HE fans claim that population don't matter cause muh elves

HE just said still matter, and there are not tons of HE like people tough

Again Void Elves killed the population argument. There are "a crack squad" The Silver Covenant fielded armies for 4 expansions.

>He fans claim that they could ADD HE just fine cause its easy and there are no problem in that

he said it would blur the factions and the team think factions matter

I don't agree with this? Personally I think HE should have been modified somehow.

>HE fans claim that BE and HE ahve different themes

He said they haven't, and if you want to play the HE fantasie you will need to play horde cause its there where you find it

you want MORE? what more points? the rest was just irrelevant

That's the thing that trips me up; you can't find the fantasty of an alliance high elf on the horde, it's anathema.

Also High Elves and Blood Elves split literally over ideological differences. How can Ion be right saying they share themes? High Elves have spent over a decade living on human cities, "assimilated" into human cultures, as if that isn't blatantly a different theme. Good lord.

The Silver Covenant remains the elephant in the room, it goes against the population argument, the ideology argument, the faction argument, the "High Elves don't have large concentrations" argument.

He literally addressed High Elves without referring to the on High Elf group that has been relevant since WotLK, without addressing the idea that "faction identity" would have been preserved by giving the HE a modified model like NB.

-So no addressing the idea that HE have to have a different culture by being expats for over a decade in a human city
-No addressing of the Silver Covenant who just keeps showing up.
-No addressing of the model being changed.
-No addressing that BE fantasy itself has changed since they became BE, so how can it be "the same" than the fantasy of those that *didn't" change their name and had a different context for over a decade and more.

Do you see how there's more nuance?

then you should not bring that up after i saided, cause it seems you cared a bit

That was more for me than for you. I don't want to waste time explaining you what a cult is.

i know the silver covenant is a faction of high elves, end

do you ahve canon prove to affirm that the number of elves in the silver covenant is more than the number of void elves? cause we don't have, we could even said the VE numbers are more, cause its a group of people exiled from the blood elves, a group coming from the marjory and bulky of the HE society

Silver covenant elves are veressa followers, who have losses everytime they appear without conditions to replenish their losses

Which then would have great if Ion said "The SC elves are indeed fewer than the VE". But he didn't. So instead we somehow have to believe that the faction that fielded armies for 4 expansions, who have dozens of named NPC's, is less than the "crack elite squad of scholars" VE are. It's so silly.

its not about aesthetic alone

its just a joint of different reasons, who are gameplay, aesthetic and lore

just because one of the lore reasons is debunked don't mean the others will fall apart too

gameplay? you mean that they look different? which makes it aesthetic?

and lore is literally a fart noise.

if they became different enough? like the night elves are totally different from nightborne? then yes, obviously

yet, the He fans would still cry cause they looked different

So totally different.

Ah yes, the fabled strawman HE fans. Dude if we are going to talk testimony, most HE fans I talked about would have been happy with the nightborne treatment, literally MOST. So you are basing your opinions on supposition.

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hoh we are stretching things now

HE have ranger theme, this theme already exist, is among the farstrider, just because its not the main thing, don't mean it not exist or mean the alliance HE can take for then as the main thing

Farstriders are everywhere, and were one of the biggest forces against the amani in cataclysm together wit the darkspear trolls

HE "focusing" in this theme will hurt and damage the blod elf ranger theme, who already exist, its entire point of not giving HE theya re the same shit as BE, same theme,same aesthetic, focusing more in the ranger will make no differeance

you would need at least a completely new theme, like the void elves,a nd people would bitch about the same

Again, if you want a high elf ranger, you already can, the horde is waiting for you

I literally say how this is aside the HE theme, and you keep making it about High Elves.

How truly hopeless.

Regardless, doesn't change the fact that BE just aren't focused on their Ranger themes as a race, that it's not a priority. How is that so hard for you to accept.

Oh yeah, everything is HE panic for you.

yet that runestones was arcane magic, since it was the reason gul'dan created the ogri-mage, so in the end it was not a "druidic thing" at all

And I'm literally saying that that how HE were introduced, regardless if it was retconed, dear lord.

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but the ranger theme in the quel'thalas culture is so important in wow

Lol I love how sarcastic that sounds hahah.

Dude, it's not important nor relevant at this point.

[Syegfryed]

And the worst is your probably believe you did.

the worst is you in denial, cause ranger theme still is blood elf theme

IDK, you can critique media to hope in the future the same mistakes aren't made? just a thought.

thats a totally different point about crying about HE, th smae msitake could not be made, but the msitake will not be "fixed" remaking him

Which is literally true for Void Elves as well.

if this is true then there is no reason to ADD HE cause they are the same herp derp

are you serious that BE and VE are the same? the purple color ring any bell? last time i checked HE are a copy carbon copy of BE

Again Void Elves killed the population argument. There are "a crack squad" The Silver Covenant fielded armies for 4 expansions.

they don't, agian, just because one case they have an exception, don't mean the argument will be forever invalidated

a crack squad could have more number than the terrorist squad

besides you are just stretching saying they " fielded armies for 4 expansions" again, headcanon, you can say they completed other factions army with a bit of numbers for a few expansions

wtLK under the argent crusade, this is not a army

Cataclysm under the darkspear and farstrider movement, o no waait forget, chronciels retcon they appearence

in mop under the kirin tor banner, among humans and jaina leadership

in legion under the night elf and tyrande orders

they are token appearance as fanservice, not filled any army as their own

Personally I think HE should have been modified somehow.

it is already done, void elves

That's the thing that trips me up; you can't find the fantasty of an alliance high elf on the horde, it's anathema.

you can with void elves

besides, "alliance high elf fantasie" don't exist, its just He in the other faction, saying poolitical thing is another lv of new fantasie is naive

where is my "horde humanrf fantasie"? tht just bullcrap

Also High Elves and Blood Elves split literally over ideological differences. How can Ion be right saying they share themes?

because ideological diffrence don't make then have a different theme

the theme still is the same, the tolkien cliche elf archetype, nothing less nothing more

High Elves has spent over a decade living on human cities, "assimilated" into human cultures, as of that isn't blatantly a different theme. Good lord.

then you don't want to play the high elf theme, you want to play the human theme but with a elf, look for half elves then

The Silver Covenant remains the elephant in the room, it goes against the population argument, the ideology argument, the faction argument, the "High Elves don't have large concentrations" argument.

"let me ignore all argumments and say the silvercovenant go against everything"

you can try to sue logic here

If they said there are not large concentrations of HE you choice what options?:

a) think the sliver covenant have not that much numbers at all

b) think ion and the devs are wrong cause there are fucktons of HE in the silver covenant,because your headcanon says so

its a bit obvious here no?

He literally addressed High Elves without referring to the on High Elf group that has been relevant since WotLK

he actually did that, "there are not of then" pretty much sumarize everything,included the HE group whow s not relevant and just show up as fanservice or token appearence

without addressing the idea that "faction identity" would have been preserved by giving the HE a modified model like NB.

they just change the color who was less dratic than change the model, geez if they changed the model people would be more angry about that

"this are not the HE like we saw ingame buaa buaa"

-So no addressing the idea that HE have to have a different culture by being expats for over a decade in a human city

they are starting to b absorbed by human culture, yet this don't make then have a different THEME, and he addressed that

-No addressing of the Silver Covenant who just keeps showing up.

"there are not tons of then" pretty much do

-No addressing of the model being changed.

void elves are the response for this

or you re talking about the ideas of bulky and muscle elves for no reasons? he don't need to address fanfic

-No addressing that BE fantasy itself has changed since they became BE, so how can it be "the same" than the fantasy of those that *didn't" change their name and had a different context for over a decade and more.

their fantasies and themes still is the same, the cliche elf

Do you see how there's more nuance?

you want a entire debate in a Q&A when there is no need of that

That was more for me than for you. I don't want to waste time explaining you what a cult is.

i know what is, thats why we use as a gag towards then

Which then would have great if Ion said "The SC elves are indeed fewer than the VE". But he didn't.

he don't need to, if he say there are not tons of then, you just use logic

gameplay? you mean that they look different? which makes it aesthetic?

gameplay reasons why they need to be different? pretty much

and lore is literally a fart noise.

not rly

So totally different.

loklike youa re a bit confused

Dude if we are going to talk testimony, most HE fans I talked about would have been happy with the nightborne treatment, literally MOST. So you are basing your opinions on supposition.

most of you know is totally irrelevant, im talking about the marjory in the HE "oficial" forum, and the discord group

they don't want the nightborne treatment they want a better version of HE, this thing is being the same since the blizzcon

all suggestion for then becoming more different or have another theme like half elves was suffocated

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I literally say how this is aside the HE theme, and you keep making it about High Elves.

How truly hopeless.

you are basically trying to make a point without a point, what is your mission here? babbling random things?

Regardless, doesn't change the fact that BE just aren't focused on their Ranger themes as a race, that it's not a priority. How is that so hard for you to accept.

if you ignore all the ranger theme indeed it will hard to see then

They focus on then, just not like the mage and paladin theme, still is there, but what im saying you are showing to be good about ignoring things

the ranger theme of blood elves is always present, halduron and lorthemar are rangers, and are 2 of thee 4 main figures of elf society, allthe time blood elf show up it must have some rangers there and there.

in cataclysm patch with the zandalari the principal force was about blood elves rangers and darkspear trolls.

its just naive think the high elf ranger theme is stronger than the blood elf ranger theme

Oh yeah, everything is HE panic for you.

oh yes so much panic

And I'm literally saying that that how HE were introduced, regardless if it was retconed, dear lord.

and im saying the druidc shit was not relevant, is that hard to grasp?

[Sivick]

That shit about "if you want to be a fair-skinned elf the horde is always there" was the most insulting bullshit ever. If we wanted to be horde we would have done it already. High elves and blood elves are as different as they are the same. He wouldn't claim that canadians, australians, and americans were all the same would he? fuck that. give me high elves!

Also void elves are bullshit. They're not in the lore, they came from nowhere, they have a population of like 30... complete bullshit. "this is your racial transmog" of what? are these traditional void elf clothes? traditional from when, half an hour ago when you got banished?? total bullshit.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

the worst is you in denial, cause ranger theme still is blood elf theme

You seriously don't understand what "focus" is. Seriously dude what the hell at this point, It's like you are just trying to against whatever I'm saying, no matter how nonsensical you are being. I'm literally saying that rangers aren't a theme Blood Elves are focusing in and this is what you reply? Good grief!

thats a totally different point about crying about HE, th smae msitake could not be made, but the msitake will not be "fixed" remaking him

What are you even going on about now. How are we arriving to this from "critiquing media"?

f this is true then there is no reason to ADD HE cause they are the same herp derp

Do you remember that the question was "Why you choose Void Elves over High Elves?"

I am now seeing the wall of text, and one thing is clear.

There was a lot more Ion could have said or addressed, specifically. Why didn't he simply address the Silver Covenant? I am not asking what you believe here to be true, I'm saying that Ion and Blizz should have given an answer about that, but you are incapable to accept that.

The Silver Covenant's presence it's the MAIN PROBLEM of Alliance High Elves, and Ion didn't address it. No matter how you try to justify it, how can you talk about High Elves on the alliance and not name THE faction of High Elves on the Alliance.You say we should just assume that they are too few, less so than VE. Even when everything in game points otherwise, even when they simply keep showing up. How does that make sense?

How can you answer an issue without even addressing the main cause there's a high elf issue on the first place?

I'm simply saying is that Ion could have addressed the points the pro helf side has made, but he didn't, and many people feel their feedback was pointless.

I don't want your Answers, I wanted Ion's. That. Is. the. whole. point. No "implication", just answers. How is that so much to ask?

if you ignore all the ranger theme indeed it will hard to see then

They focus on then, just not like the mage and paladin theme, still is there, but what im saying you are showing to be good about ignoring things

the ranger theme of blood elves is always present, halduron and lorthemar are rangers, and are 2 of thee 4 main figures of elf society, allthe time blood elf show up it must have some rangers there and there.

in cataclysm patch with the zandalari the principal force was about blood elves rangers and darkspear trolls.

its just naive think the high elf ranger theme is stronger than the blood elf ranger theme

And this keeps being your answer to "the blood elves aren't being focused on their ranger themes" Like I don't even know what to tell you at this point.

I really don't get you.

[Deleted]

There's no way there's more void elves then high elves

Indeed there isnt, but Ions minions will deny, that Ion contradicted himself and they will say he knows better so we should accept what he said.

[Syegfryed]

You seriously don't understand what "focus" is. Seriously dude what the hell at this point, It's like you are just trying to against whatever I'm saying, no matter how nonsensical you are being. I'm literally saying that rangers aren't a theme Blood Elves are focusing in and this is what you reply? Good grief!

you are the one not understanding that just because the ranger theme is not the MAIN thing, don't mean is not their thing

again i talked how they had focus, just not much as the paladin and mage theme

What are you even going on about now. How are we arriving to this from "critiquing media"?

cause you are not just "critiquing media" you are pretty much critiquing not having HE and the way he talked, thats a waste

Do you remember that the question was "Why you choose Void Elves over High Elves?"

he pretty much answer that, you ignoring and talking about how the way he did could be different don't change things

I am now seeing the wall of text, and one thing is clear.

sure, ignoring things

There was a lot more Ion could have said or addressed, specifically. Why didn't he simply address the Silver Covenant? I am not asking what you believe here to be true, I'm saying that Ion and Blizz should have given an answer about that, but you are incapable to accept that.

now tell me why he need to address some random ass group of HE that happens to be in the alliance? why is this relevant to the question?

do you remember the question? why put VE when HE was a "better option'" why he need to specifically focus on the silver covenant when there are others grous of HE as well? if he shut down the silver covenant people will start crying over other ones, he just talk in general

.You say we should just assume that they are too few, less so than VE. Even when everything in game points otherwise, even when they simply keep showing up. How does that make sense?

nothing point that silver covenant elves have more numbers than void elves.

How can you answer an issue without even addressing the main cause there's a high elf issue on the first place?

come on, sivler covenant is not the main issue cause there are not only silver covenant elves that people talk about, if he talked about one, people will talk about others, he just talk in general thats simple

I'm simply saying is that Ion could have addressed the points the pro helf side has made, but he didn't, and many people feel their feedback was pointless.

say that you feel that he didn't address the points in the way he could satisfy you, that would be more appropriate

I don't want your Answers, I wanted Ion's. That. Is. the. whole. point. No "implication", just answers. How is that so much to ask?

he already gave you answer, its no

you are wanting flowers in the no, and thats not necessary

And this keeps being your answer to "the blood elves aren't being focused on their ranger themes" Like I don't even know what to tell you at this point.

I really don't get you.

the point is they are being focused on the range theme, just not as much as the mage and paladin theme

not much =/= non-existent

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Indeed there isnt

it could be more void elves than silver covenant elves thats the point

[Highwhale]

I really don't get you.

Don't even bother. He lives in parallel universe and for him he always right and you wrong. He hates elves and only "defense" BELF because fuck you Alliance.

Also his mental gymnastics are amazing.

[Syegfryed]

Don't even bother. He lives in parallel universe and for him he always right and you wrong. He hates elves and only "defense" BELF because fuck you Alliance.

Also his mental gymnastics are amazing.

You are petty much describing yourself here pal, mental gymnastic, false equivalence and bias is your strenght

its not time to claim horde bias because of getting more horses?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

you are the one not understanding that just because the ranger theme is not the MAIN thing, don't mean i not their thing

What, what do you think I'm saying when I say "it's not their focus."?????

I-

Goodbye.

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Don't even bother. He lives in parallel universe and for him he always right and you wrong. He hates elves and only "defense" BELF because fuck you Alliance.

Also his mental gymnastics are amazing.

He isn't here for a discussion, just to say he's right.

[Syegfryed]

What, what do you think I'm saying when I say "it's not their focus."?????

I-

Goodbye.

k

you said they don't have focus

they have

not much as the other themes but they have. Again not much =/= non-existent

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

you said they don't have focus

they have

This is how I will remember you, as someone who doesn't understand what "focus" means.

[Syegfryed]

This is how I will remember you, as someone who doesn't understand what "focus" means.

and i will remember you as the guy who can't understand simple concept of quantity

[Melsiren]

I mean Slyvi mentions Lor'themar having rangers at the battle of undercity though I do not remember seeing any.

It's one of the big issues I have with wow lore, many of the cool things within the cultures are forgotten about as the main story moves on.

I wish they would have expanded on the rivalry between the Bloodknights and the Farstriders, but that arc has clearly been abandoned since BC.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

and i will remember you as the guy who can't understand simple concept of quantity

You genuinely think there are more Void Elves than High Elves. Do you understand the concept of quantity?

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I mean Slyvi mentions Lor'themar having rangers at the battle of undercity though I do not remember seeing any.

It's one of the big issues I have with wow lore, many of the cool things within the cultures are forgotten about as the main story moves on.

I wish they would have expanded on the rivalry between the Bloodknights and the Farstriders, but that arc has clearly been abandoned since BC.

That's the thing, Farstriders have just fallen by the wayside in terms of relevance to BE themes, which is a shame since Elves were introduced to Warcraft through their rangers. It's a bummer no race is using Rangers as a cultural cornerstone.

[Syegfryed]

I mean Slyvi mentions Lor'themar having rangers at the battle of undercity though I do not remember seeing any.

It's one of the big issues I have with wow lore, many of the cool things within the cultures are forgotten about as the main story moves on.

I wish they would have expanded on the rivalry between the Bloodknights and the Farstriders, but that arc has clearly been abandoned since BC.

people are just talking out of their asses by now

blood elf rangers are featured in cataclysm in the zandalari invasion leaded by halduron (ranger), in MOP in the isle of thunder leaded by lorthemar (ranger) and in Legion in the hunter class hall leaded by halduron (again)

they have some focus in the elf society, just not much as the mages and the paladins due to the draenei fangirl, but they ahve